Former president to host fundraiser for Messianic Jewish Bible Institute, which trains people to ‘provoke Jewish people, save them,’ in order to bring about second coming of Jesus
Next week, former President George W. Bush is scheduled to keynote a fundraiser in Irving, Texas, for the Messianic Jewish Bible Institute, a group that trains people in the United States, Israel, and around the world to convince Jews to accept Jesus as the Messiah, the American magazine Mother Jones reported.
The organization’s goal: to “restore” Israel and the Jews and bring about the second coming of Christ. Based in Dallas, the Institute claims that it acts like the Apostle Paul in helping to “educate Christians in their role to provoke the Jewish people to jealousy and thus save some of them (Romans 11:11-14).”
According to the report, written by Sarah Posner, Messianic Jews have long been controversial for Jews of all major denominations, who object to their proselytizing efforts and their message that salvation by Jesus is consistent with Jewish theology.
Last year, Abraham Foxman, president of the Anti-Defamation League, told Politico that former Sen. Rick Santorum’s appearance at an event hosted by another Messianic Jewish organization, the Messianic Jewish Alliance of America, was “insensitive and offensive.” And Commentary magazine, which bills itself as a “conservative American journal of politics, Judaism, social and cultural issues,” noted, “it must be understood that the visceral distaste that the overwhelming majority of Jews have for the Messianics is not to be taken lightly.”
Many Messianic Jews are Christians who have adopted aspects of Jewish ritual observance; others are Jews who share the Christian belief that Jesus is the Messiah.
Asked about Bush’s upcoming appearance at the Messianic Jewish Bible Institute (MJBI) event, Rabbi David Saperstein, the director of the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism, said, “It’s disappointing that he would give his stamp of approval to a group whose program is an express effort to convert Jews and not to accept the validity of the Jewish covenant.” Foxman was traveling overseas and unavailable to comment.
Based in Dallas, the Institute has Bible schools in 12 countries, an online school of “Messianic theology,” and programs to train Messianic rabbis and pastors.
Its logos feature a star of David and a menorah, and its website promotes the weekly Torah portion, a “Yiddish Mama’s Kitchen,” and links to purchase Judaica and books, such as Christ in the Old Testament. The nonprofit organization brought in approximately $1.2 million in revenue in 2011, the last year for which records are available.
At the November 14 event, which will be held at the Irving Convention Center, Bush will discuss his White House experiences, according to promotional materials. Bush, the group said, will “share his passion for setting people free.” Last year, Glenn Beck was the star of the group’s fundraiser, which was held at Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas.
This year’s event is designed to bring in funds for the group’s proselytizing operations. And the former president is helping out with more than just speech-making. According to Mother Jones, the most expensive of the ticket packages, which range from $100 to $100,000, includes 20 invitations to a VIP reception and photo opportunity with Bush, 10 signed copies of Bush’s book Decision Points, and passes to tour the George W. Bush Presidential Library and Museum.
Alisa Stephenson, the Institute’s director of events and partner relations, would not say whether Bush is receiving a speaking fee for his appearance. “We cannot have any outside advertising or any media whatsoever involved in this, so I most likely cannot answer any of your questions,” she told Mother Jones.
A spokesman for Bush and a spokeswoman for the George W. Bush Presidential Library and Museum did not respond to requests for comment.
@ yamit82:
I have some minor dealings with the ADL and come to the conclusion that the purpose of the ADL si raising fund for the ADL. Therefor right or wrong Foxman is a dolt.
Santorum is a dolt too, it takes one to know one. I have an advanced degree in dolt detection.
OOp forgot to say Darlin,Sugar.
honeybee Said:
Even dolts can get it right once or twice. This time he was right.
yamit82 Said:
The Christian west demonises Israel primarily because of the ‘occupation’ and not because they are Christian. The Christian west today is either pro Israel (America) or secular (Europe) The past is not necessarily the present. Give credit where it is due, for example do you deny that Christianity has reformed from what it was before? It certainly has, althoug there is antisemitism below the veneer, it isn’t genocidal like it was before. In any event, American Evangelicals are good buffers for the threat Islam represents.
As regards Israel, it’s Muslims today who are have genocidal ambitions not Christians. They are only lacking means not the will. Now even though the West sells arms to our enemies, it is not primarily to destroy us. Their motive for arms sales to our enemies is commercial. Greed. Call it what you will. Or to put it another way, if the Christian west wanted to destroy Israel today, it can. The Muslim world wants to but cannot.
yamit82 Said:
Abe Foxman’s is dolt
yamit82 Said:
Cause its the onky damn Mt we have Dalin, and George would NEVER leave Texas. Say do you know how long it takes to fly from Dallas to Israel? Sometimes I think about visisting Israel,
honeybee Said:
How can you tell location?
yamit82 Said:
How odd of G-d to chose the Jews,but odder still are those who chose, to chose the G-d, who choose the Jews!! I have posted this before, the little dogeral my Father often repeted,in a loud senorious courtroom voice. I think you might try mermorize it,its useful to anser your question above.
loonwatchexposed Said:
I think it’s the other way roud. It’s the christian West that has control of the Islamic world.
“though you place your nest among the stars, I will drag you down from there!”
“Edom” associated with Esau (Genesis 36:1, 8).
In a famous commentary, Ishmael (Islam) finally tells Esau (The christian West)“you are unstable” in the desire to murder and displace Isaac and Jacob and to rule as god over the world. Genesis 26:34-5 and 28:6-9. Genesis 25:27-8, “Esav, ish yodea tzayid…” “Esau, you are unstable” refers to the twin’s homicidal and fratricidal plans for Isaac and Jacob, a game it obsessively plays to this day. Midrash HaGadol and tractate Baba Kama 92
“And he took Machalat the daughter of Yishmael…” When Esav the wicked saw that Yitzhak blessed Ya’akov, he sought to kill Ya’akov, as is said “And Esav said in his heart…” [“May the days of mourning for my father {i.e. His death} draw near; then I will kill my brother Jacob.” Toldot (Genesis 27:41).
”What did he do? He went to Yishmael and said to him, “Let us join together, I and you, and we will rule the whole world.”
He said to him “Why and how?” Esav said to him…”a brother can kill his brother because of the inheritance, that we found with Kayin, who killed Hevel his brother and thus it is permissible for you to kill your brother Yitzhak, who deprived you of all your wealth and of all that you had, and I also will kill my brother, and afterwards we will inherit the entire world, and the two of us will rule all that belonged to Avraham our father.” [A remarkable prevision of Modern-postmodern great power geopolitics]
Yishmael said to him, “I can’t believe your words, because you are not stable.” Esav said to him, “If I will take your daughter, will you believe me?”
Then, immediately, “And he took Machalat, the daughter of Yishmael for a wife …” [“in addition to his {Canaanite wives} as a wife for himself”]. Toldot (Genesis 28:6-9). Esau’s use of Cain’s murder as a legalizing precedent is as mad as is the subsequent credulity of Ishmael who accepts sexual possession as a test of validity
yamit82 Said:
Love that photo of a sun rise of the Guadalupe Mts. of Texas.
yamit82 Said:
Anti Semitsim didn’t exist in India until the Christian Portugese and British colonised them. It doesn’t exist in Japan either, nor China. That said, Islam has taken over Christianity as being the prime institagors of Jew hate today. As an example, The Christian Identity (fringe) movement in the USA see them as an ally because they too like Islamic supremacists believe they are the new Israel and a Jewish Israel is an affront to their religion.
I agree with you about Catholicism, but it’s unrealistic to expect Catholicism or Islam to totally relinquish their respective religious ties to Jerusalem. First they need to accept Jewish sovereignty over Jerusalem. The Temple Mount is already out of our control. It’s an abomination that Jordan dictates who should and should not enter the Kotel.
loonwatchexposed Said:
ANTI-SEMITISM IN THE NEW TESTAMENT
loonwatchexposed Said:
Catholics (The Vatican)today represent a different threat to Jews. They want control of Jerusalem and all of their holy sites. They support our enemies who seek our total destruction and eradication.
Let us remember that Messianic support for Israel is not to support Judaism but to bring their ‘yeshu’ whom they believe will either kill or convert Jews. It is conditional support, which seeks the spiritual death of Judaism and as such is abhorrent.
Most evangelical christians want us to return to Israel so that the anti-Christ can come, slaughter a large amount of us, then yeshu comes and kills him, then kills off the remainder of the Jews who didn’t believe in him (i.e. yeshu), and those Jews, along with every Jew who did not accept yeshu, burns in hell for eternity. If we weren’t rejected, cursed, and damned how are we going to go to Hell?
christians only view Israel as ‘holy’ because yeshu walked there and it is the ‘land of the bible’(Ironically, the Torah was given in Sinai and records events in Iraq and Egypt, half of Ezekiel was given on the way to Babylon, the books of Daniel and Esther occurred in Modern day Iraq and Iran, yet there are no christian pilgrimages there. Only where yeshu walked and where Jews can be found to be converted. In fact, as is attested by many modern day evangelicals, America is the promised land. I didn’t say it, (Pat Robertson did). christianity and Islam has been built around rejection and refutation of Judaism. But our existence is a very real threat to these people. Always the one who holds the truth in a sea of lies is considered a threat. So they try to silence us in any way possible, and now we even aid them. A Jew with a knowledge of Torah is the biggest danger to these cults.
yamit82 Said:
Not all nations. Usually nations which have Christianity and Islam as a majority religion, because a proudly Jewish Israel proves that their replacement theology is a farce. Stealth missionising seeks the spiritual death of Judaism and is the same as Islams murderous agenda against Israel.
Other nations may be against Israel but that is because they think Israel is oppressing ‘palestinians’ and denying them a state; standards which they would apply to other countries too like when Iraq invaded Kuwait.
That is a small but important distinction.
AbbaGuutuu Said:
Israel was founded as a secular state yet is a haven for religious Jews. Secular Jews are every bit as Jewish as a religious Jew because secular ideals do not make a Jew non Jewish. Jews often switch between different degrees of observance. The child of a ultra-orthodox may choose to be secular but will still be Jewish. Even if secular Jews want the observant to be less rigid on observance they do not want them to indulge in avodah zarah. which Messianic Judaism is. Secular liberal Jews are amongst the most hostile to stealth missionising. That is their Jewish neshama.
Plenty of Christians support Israel without requiring us to convert, Catholics etc. Not all Christian Zionists have an agenda to convert either. As I said above, India supports Israel but Hindus do not spend billions on attempts to convert Jews. Koreans emulate Jewish ideals (The Talmud is highly respected in Korea) yet don’t seek to convert Jews.
Let us remember that Messianic support for Israel is not to support Judaism but to bring their ‘yeshua’ whom they believe will either kill or convert Jews. It is conditional support, which seeks the spiritual death of Judaism and as such is abhorrent.
AbbaGuutuu Said:
I love all of them irrespective of whether they believe in Yeshu (Jesus) or not. 😛
The MJBI mission is “to boldly proclaim Yeshu as Messiah, train leaders for Jewish ministry around the world, and educate the Church on God’s heart for the Jewish people, as it eagerly awaits the promise of Romans 11:15 that the acceptance of the Jewish people will mean ‘life from the dead.’”
“last year, Abraham Foxman, president of the Anti-Defamation League, told Politico that former Sen. Rick Santorum’s appearance at an event hosted by another Messianic Jewish organization, the Messianic Jewish Alliance of America, was ‘insensitive and offensive.’”
Is it a wonder why almost a billion Hindus, almost half a billion Buddhists and every other religion receive virtually no attention or vilification from either Christian or Muslim? They don’t spend 1/4th the amount of energy or money on these other groups who make up over a billion people as they do on the Jews, whether to convert or destroy them. The fact of the matter is, the Jews, as the original people of the Torah and the prophets, can either make or break a religion. Wholesale Jewish conversion to any religion is the ultimate stamp of approval of authenticity of that religion. But since Jews have been(overall) so stubbornly adherent to the Torah for the past 2000 years, this has been virtually impossible.
So the next best thing is to get rid of us completely, but that also has proved impossible. The Nations attribute it to G-D knows what.. So they take a lesson from the Greeks and the Romans: the way to get rid of Jews isn’t to overtly try to convert them, or to attempt to eradicate them, but to assimilate them, to destroy them culturally and cut all of their ties to the Torah, and then they will come on their own, begging to join the dominant culture. And a superficial look at the general Jewish population reveals a very dominant desire to join the majority non Jewish culture and fully assimilate, because we have forsaken Torah study and Torah knowledge.
Nowadays, conversion of Jews has become much easier due to assimilation and ignorance of the Torah, even among many kippah-wearing Jews. All of the nations’ pressure on us is to weaken our link to Torah, bit by bit, to eventually sever it. They have learned their lesson and now know this is our Achilles’ heel, for as Rav Saadia Gaon said, Israel is only a nation by virtue of the Torah. Without that, we are nothing but prey for one false ideology after another.
loonwatchexposed Said:
On Israel’s interests, secular Israeli’s and Messianics may have the same goal except in their views or beliefs of God. Secularists through non-religious schools and even politics try to to convert religious Jews to secularism/humanism/atheism. The religious Jews and Messianics also do the same (try to win others to their respective beliefs). All of them function openly. It is , therefore, advisable to have more friends for Israel in this hostile environment and the world full of antisemitisms without characterizing well recognized friends (Bush and Santorum) or/and potential friends as enemies.
AbbaGuutuu Said:
Secular Israelis and Messianics don’t share the same goal. Peaceful and free competition doesn’t include subterfuge to convert or preying on the needy to convert them. Frankly those who would seek to use the enemy as a stick to beat opponoents of stealth missionising is aiding the enemy.
yamit82 Said:
I donot have a bias against Jews. I love all of them irrespective of whether they believe in Yeshua (Jesus) or not. When it comes to a religious belief, no one can and would be able to make all people believe in only one type religious belief or relationship with God. Both George Bush and Rick Santorum are Christians who believe that Yehoshou (Yehshua or Yehwehshuo) is the Messiah unlike Orthodox Jews. However, they do respect the right of non-christians to have their own faith based on their God given free will.It is good to mutually repect the blief of each other and fight against common enemies. There are a lot of secular Israel’s who strongly support Israel in every way possible. You donot reject their support for being secularists. Let there be a peaceful and free competition in the market place. Every country has its own vital interests. As much as possible, having a lot of friends to weaken ones enemies based on a common interest (even if you may have some disagreements in some areas) is a wise thing to do. In politics,creating or having a friendly atmosphere is vital to carry out a psychological war against your enemies. I donot recall Israel being openly criticized/attacked by a previous US administration under Bush as it is now. Regarding the stand of Rick Santorum on Syria and Iran, please read online the two acts he authored in 2004. I have come to know Rick Santorum more than George W. BUsh. He was/is a very strong and reliable supporter of Israel.
@ yamit82:
Its Veterans Day, thank you for you service soldier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yamit82 Said:
I hear they fake it,being missionaries,for just one bite.
yamit82 Said:
I shall roll in BBQ sause,and leave it to you,I ,myself, am amadextorous.
honeybee Said:
Do you prefer top or bottom?
AbbaGuutuu Said:
If you see any policy difference between Bush and Obama Pls advise exactly what they are except possibly atmospherics.
Rick Santorum supported Bush’s policies without any exceptions and supports a Palis State; and like Christi in NJ, he is very tight with Muslim Brotherhood front organizations and their leadership in America. American aid to Israel is cancelled by massive arms sales to the Arabs in military hardware that forces Israel to spend $1.60 for every $ 1.00 sold or given to the Arabs in order to maintain for Israel some level of parity. With friends like them who needs enemies?
I can understand to an extent Santoum because he had a lot of support from Evangelical conservatives and will need them in the future if he pursues a political office. $9000 for a short speech ain’t bad when you include all expenses like plane fare first class and hotel accommodations. BB is getting $50-7K per speech.
What does being or not being an orthodox Jew have to do with anything? There are many orthodox Jews who not only do not support settlements they don’t support Israel… Where is your bias against Jews from??
Any gentile who supports Tel Aviv but not Hebron, all of Jerusalem and a Jewish West Bank is antisemitic. Jews have no Historic attachment to Tel Aviv and most of the Sharon, even the Negev. Our connection is exactly those lands Every American Administration has opposed Israeli sovereignty and even control over. That policy allows them to maintain the fiction of being friendly to Israel but opposed to Judaism in reality and fact.
Muslims pay a tax to which 10-20% goes to Terrorists fighting Israel and Christian supporters of Israel donate hundreds of $$$millions per year to convert Jews. Different tactics same ultimate goals.
@ loonwatchexposed:
Both individuals are strong supporters of Israel when compared to the current and some of the previous US Administrations. Let us not alienate any supporter of the Jews and Israel even if they may have different belief from Orthodox Jews.
yamit82 Said:
Now again you leave me in an untenable position????? Honey Bun Now Zev, bite on that one.
honeybee Said:
By the time they get to see my backside they don’t care.
@ yamit82:
You like Casper don’t you? He is cute!
@ bernard ross:
very funny! Maybe 6 million will arrive?
@ yamit82:
@ yamit82:
yamit82 Said:
Nice one Yamit. The message being: Bring on the Tovia Singers. Clear rebuttals are what is needed. Although I generally agree with what you said, I see no point in rejecting well meaning support that doesn’t seek to convert. Reject the funds and money but not the support.
@ yamit82:
Don’t those horns on your backside scare them.
honeybee Said:
Never crossed their minds, mine of course not theirs.
yamit82 Said:
http://youtu.be/-YsfJPkt9rI
yamit82 Said:
Oh Yamit82 Darlin,there are so many things I could post to that remake,but Ted would pass out with horror. Or is this just another one of your “blow jobs”.
honeybee Said:
I WEAR A NECKLACE MADE FROM GARLIC FOR MALE MISSIONARIES.
Female missionaries are the best. They will do anything to steal a Jewish soul for jeezuz, anything!!! 😉
yamit82 Said:
I wear bacon scented perfume it puts the Evangelicals off my trail. However I do atrack coyotes!!!!! Darlin
loonwatchexposed Said:
Wait until Israel subdues Gaza or bombs Iran then we will how unconditional the mainline protestant are twoards Israel. Texans will be cheering Israel onward.
Try being a Amer. Indian ei Red Skins!!!!!!!!! Yankee boy
dove Said:
Don’t forget Casper the friendly Ghost!
@ loonwatchexposed:
I’ve posted “Catriel’s Notebook: “Messianic Synagogues” Target Jews but Hit Christians, Some of Whom Are Converting to Judaism”
http://jewishvoiceandopinion.com/a/JVO20090205.html
By Catriel Sugarman, Researcher on Jewish Issues, Social Critic, Lecturer, acatriel@netvision.net.il
February 2009 A few times in the past. Nice to see it again although slightly dated. Whether they are as unsuccessful as the article claims or not the fact remains that they have not only given up their efforts they are doubling down on them . Christians spend over 250 million dollars a year in their efforts to covert just the Jews. a full quarter of American Jewry according to polls list their religion as other than Judaism. (church) intermarriage the big culprit.
This is the ultimate “measure for measure.” The xtians try to create a way to lure unsuspecting Jews into a church by making the church look like a synagogue and by pretending they are Jews, but instead luring Jews, they lure xtians. Those xtians see the legitimacy in authentic Judaism, leave the fakes behind, and convert to become halachically Jewish!
Only Hashm could come up with such a perfect answer to the evil that these christins had planned for us. Now, instead of getting Jews to believe in their god-on-a-stick, they are getting christians to see the beauty of Judaism.
This article is very long and very detailed and includes the history of the “Jews for yeshu” movement, some of the ways that they intended to target Jews, how they changed their tactics to be even more underhanded (if that’s possible), and what the result of their behavior has been.
The hijacking of the Jewish religion and culture appears to be endless. It appears that stealth and deception are the hallmarks of these movements in spite of protestations of “mission”. It makes sense as the beginnings were based on deception and hijacking.
“what starts bad in morning can’t good in evening”
dove Said:
are your referring to George or Jesus? 🙂
loonwatchexposed Said:
Somehow I don’t believe you with regards to both ‘Support’ and ‘Unconditionally’.
Christian Zionists who seek to de-Judaize Israel
Not support but based on perceived national interests of each country with good relations with Israel. Keep in mid each of thoe countries mentioned by you and others also have good relations with our enemies.
How does one know the chalice is poisoned unless we are first poisoned? Sometimes Isolating the patient (victim) from contact with any potential carrier (threat)is the best method of defense.
honeybee Said:
Millions of Christians support Israel unconditionally. Some dispensionalist Evangelicals and Messianics have an agenda to convert Jews, but they do not comprise the bulk of those Christians who support Israel. Israel also has a lot of support from non Christian countries like Korea, and especially from growing powers like India and China.
Support which is conditional upon receiving a ‘poisoned chalice’ should be rejected.
Laura Said:
I live in Texas, on what planet do you live on, where support from anyone for any reason is unconditional.
@ honeybee:
I definitely agree. But its disappointing that they have an ulterior motive. Support should be unconditional.
Even this ruse is not as successful as they wish it were. Judaism gets the last laugh!
Messianic Judaism – In Truth, converting Christians to Judaism
loonwatchexposed Said:
I prefere them to Obama and Kerry, the Progressve want to distroy Israel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@ Laura:
I wouldn’t go that far with this Laura.
I never heard of such a thing.
Our nuns taught us Jews and other Christians alike don’t need to be converted, they already had faith in G-d.
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This type of activity makes it hard to dispute the claim of Jewish liberals that conservative Christians support Israel only because they are out to convert Jews and bring about the second coming, and that it really has nothing to do with their love for Jews or Jewish rights to their homeland. I’ve been critical of Jewish liberals for their attacks on Evangelicals, but my defense of Evangelicals makes me look like a fool.
Secular conservatives though, are also very supportive of Israel.
Texas is a die hard Republican state. In 2010 Rick Santorum was paid $9000 by a Messianic group to speak at their annual gathering in Texas. It should’t come as a surprise that they see presidents and politicians as allies in helping sell their snake oil.
When he comes back I’m sure he’ll bring Daddy with him!