I don’t understand why the American Jews don’t simply point out how much they fought against racism
. They do, they have, and got accused of controlling the civil rights movement for their own benefit by black nationalists. Look into the. history of the split in SNCC the expulsion of whites who were disproportionately Jews and the rise of the black power movement in the 60s.
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I don’t see how any Jew can support her no matter how wonderfully conservative she is or appears to be (other than the types like Blumenthal and Ron Unz) – and she is also STUPID (this is not the 1st time she was kind of OK with Hitler, and what would be the reason for her fascination with him other than what he did to the Jews):
Actually, her statement that she doesn’t care about money is a lie (based on the rest of her speech).
As I recall, she used to espouse different views until she realized that she wasn’t hitting the right note and it wasn’t giving her the success (and the money) that she wanted.
I heard disdain for Jews in her rant (how dare these !$%^^ become insulted!)
Paula Deen (a very popular chef) had her career ruined about 10 years ago because she had said the “N word” God knows how long ago before that but when the situation is reversed and especially when it is the Jews who are on the receiving end of the slurs, they should just be good sports and go along with it.
I don’t understand why the American Jews don’t simply point out how much they fought against racism (and some actually were killed fighting for the black rights) and financed the NAACP, etc., instead of trying to punish the offender which doesn’t work anyway and backfires because the offender actually becomes in everyone’s mind “the victim of the Jews”.
Most Jews in the US are in a worse denial than the German Jews in the Weimar Republic before Hitler, in my opinion.
peloni86 xoxoxoox
She’s upset that her friends’ bully pulpits reaching tens or hundreds of millions of adoring groupies have been whittled down just because they use them to incite hatred of Jews. No better reason than that. Think about that.
Reminds me of liberals who said so what if the Pals lobbed over 4,000 missiles at Israel when Iron Dome caught most of them. Thatmakes dead terrorists martyrs.
There is plenty of hypocrisy out there to be shared even among Jews!
And she’s so sanctimonious. Frankly, my dear, I can’t stand her. Prager’s a bit of a prig, too.
But she has so much to say that the world Must Hear like how she and everyone else Must stop using billions of paper towels.
Billions!!!!! :D. Especially Americans. Natch. Whether on the left or the right I for one am getting pretty fed up with people (or peoples) guilt-tripping me.whether as a Jew or as an American. https://youtu.be/WIZ1fSp6J0A
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@Ted “Some of my best friends are antisemites (and wannabe mass murderers) .”. 😀 – Candace Owens
But not Jews, apparently. She really thinks it is they and she who are the victims, here.
When it comes to antisemiism and to Jews, she is insensitive, at hest.
“Claims.” 😀
“Kyrie Irving has been the topic of every sports headline lately. Irving is receiving scrutiny for issuing an apology against claims that a documentary he promoted was antisemitic. The Brooklyn Net used his social media to promote Hebrews to Negroes: Wake Up Black America. The film is based on a book that suggests that “many famous high-ranking Jews” have “admitted” to “worshiping Satan or Lucifer.”
Many NBA executives and players have shared their opinion about Irving and his stance. Blavity reported that Nets owner Joe Tsai condemned Irving for promoting the film. The owner tweeted, “I’m disappointed that Kyrie appears to support a film based on a book full of anti-Semitic disinformation. I want to sit down and make sure he understands this is hurtful to all of us, and as a man of faith, it is wrong to promote hate based on race, ethnicity, or religion.”
According to PEOPLE, LeBron James expressed his disappointment in his former Cleveland Cavalier teammate. In a post-game press conference, James stated, “I believe what Kyrie did cause some harm to a lot of people.”
“It doesn’t matter what color your skin is, how tall you are, or what position you’re in,” he continued, “If you are promoting or soliciting or saying harmful things to any community that harms people, then I don’t respect it. I don’t condone it.”
Although many are choosing to separate themselves from Irving and his views, Nick Cannon has stepped up as a supporter.
The television executive posted a clip of him speaking on the topic with Jonathan Greenblatt, CEO of ADL (Anti-Defamation League).”
@Honeybee
Despite her insistence that she does not perform, Candace provides selective performances, not for money, but for personal associations, making her role as a leader one which is manipulated, not by something so base as money, but rather by one which is specifically subjective, based on the cult of personalities and personal alliances. Speaking for myself, I am quite disappointed in her lack of judgement, lack of honesty, and lack of integrity.
But as you say, she does tap dance quite well when the personalities involved influence her to do so.
Candace. can tap dance so well
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In a nutshell, Antisemites have feelings, too. She feels their pain. Hitler built the autobahn. Mussolini made the trains run on time. West inspired her with his child of academia to riches example. She thinks Irving and West shouldn’t have their bully pulpits taken away. Next, please. ‘
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As for the virtual reality app where you die if you die in the game, that’s the premise of the 2019 Kdrama, “Memories of the Alhambra.”
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@Ted
All quite true.
I don’t recall her actually saying that Ye’s remarks were antisemitic and he shouldn’t have said such things.
That”s because she never said it. Worse than this, as she was “breaking her silence on Ye”, her only commentary on his actions related the sympathy she felt for HIM and the financial consequences which this bigoted billionaire suffer for his weeks long antisemitic rant. In fact, rather than actually addressing the antisemitic elephant in the room, she pivots towards offering praise for her other friend Praeger, as if her friendship with him or any other Jew is even remotely related. Or was it that she was trying to subtly suggest that some of her very good friends might be antisemites, but some are also Jewish? The more I consider her comments, the more troubling I find them to be, to be honest. Whereas I agree that her comments about Hitler were simply wrong and not antisemitic, her obvious tolerance and absurd defense of this overtly antisemitic friend of hers is quite disturbing, and frankly, a shocking revelation.
@Peloni
Please read my remark again. I made some edits.
@Ted
How sad.
I totally agree. If Ye can not be described as an antisemite, who can be? Furthermore, if someone similarly spoke out with such derogatory language against the Blacks, would we be restricting our criticisms to the racist statements they made, or would we say they were in fact racists. Both Praeger and Candace are being quite disingenuous in their statements and it represents a complete failure of leadership on both their parts. In fact, they are each acting out of sympathy of friendship, Praeger for Candace and Candace for Ye, rather than dealing with the issue as if it were as significant as it is.
Dennis Prager in his monologue about all this clearly said Ye’s statements were antisemitic but refused to call him an antisemite. His reason for not doing so was very lame. Candace is doing the same thing. How sad.
Candace angrily said to him “I am not playing this game with you guys” meaning the Jewish community. She referred to the episode of the Hitler remarks and basically said that after explaining the context and that she didn’t apologize for Hitler, she was offended that so many Jews didn’t accept it and called her an antisemite. I think they were wrong. She is not an antisemite. Rather than look deeper into her defense to see why her defense was insufficient, she took umbrage and basically said “fuck you” And also said it to Dennis.
I don’t recall her actually saying that Ye’s remarks were antisemitic and he shouldn’t have said such things.
She explained Ye’s antisemetic outbursts as a result of him being “hurt” by one person’s attacks. Sorry, that is no excuse. Ye did not knowingly “blow himself up.” Dollars to donuts, if he knew what would happen to his worth, he wouldn’t have doubled down. And what’s with the “Now I am finally free” remark to Hollywood pressure.. What pressure? What had he been bottling up that he was happy to rid himself up? Was he suppressing his antisemitism? Was he finally free that he could horrid things out loud?
In the Hitler affair Candace should have said she misspoke in saying what she did but she merely said it was out of context. She took no responsibility for the incident.
Once again with the Ye thing she blamed others for causing the hurt and justified Ye’s reaction by saying “hurt people hurt”. She would have been better off if she just said the Ye’ already apologized but no she had to defend him making such remarks.
I think it is important to recognize the celebrity status that Ye holds in the Black community, being a leader over decades of success in multiple areas, demonstrating the potential which Black Americans can reach, as Candace explains in her monologue. She also acknowledges that she too is, herself, a leader, whom people look to for guidance and leadership. With all of this, I am quite astonished that at no point, not in this monologue and not once in the past weeks of Ye issuing ever more significant statements of Jew-Hatred has Candace publicly stated that Ye was actually wrong, or that he was purposefully influencing the Black community to accept his antisemitic rant as, well, acceptable. She also has never objected to the damage which Ye has done to the relationship between the Black and Jewish communities, even as the Jewish community is facing ever rising attacks from multiple corners in the US. She falls back on the fact that Ye represents something quite essential to the Black community, having given Black Americans a sense of ability and power which they previously did not recognize was within their grasp. What she fails to speak to and perhaps of what she still remains ignorant, is that this position of celebrity in the Black community is the very reason why Black leaders should have come out and condemned Ye in the most solemn terms possible for his damaging remarks, and among the leaders who this was most incumbent upon were those who were most closely associated with Ye, leaders such as Candace herself. Perhaps she did do so, but if she did so in a timely fashion, it clearly failed to have an effect, following which it then became incumbent upon Candace to do what leaders are suppose to do when a damaging influence is being pressed upon their community, and that is to lead, lead from the front, not with a deafening silence, but with a thunderous rebuke of the damaging influence.
While watching Candace’s comments here I was reminded of the phrase, “Evil persists while good people do nothing”, because this is what Candace did do, nothing, as her friend, an amazingly talented, popular, influential leader of the Black community normalized the free expression of Jew hatred among the Black community, placing the cause for their lack of success or their lack of advancement as being due to the evil Jewish oppressors of the Black people. Indeed, the very reasons which Candace expresses as being the cause for her reluctance to ‘debit’ him, are the very reasons why she needed to ‘debit’ him. He is a leader of the Black community and he was employing that leadership to abuse Jewish Americans, simply because they were Jews. If Candace can not find it in herself to do something so simple as to openly object to something so egregious as Ye’s attempt to strike out at all Jewish people as his response to the threats made against him by a single individual, who simply happened to be Jewish, well, what is it we call leaders who fail to rise to the moment and speak out against evil, even among their friends, especially among their friends? The word that comes to my mind is ‘complicit’.
I have been a big supporter of Candace Owens right from the beginning of her rise and will remain so. Nevertheless, I expected more from her. The fact that she registers her hurt at her treatment and comes out swinging. indicates to me that she still doesn’t get it.. She still maintains that the whole problem with the Hitler statement was that it was taken out of context and that she said nothing wrong.. I’ll grant her that it was taken out of context but even in context what she said was stupid and ignorant, but not malicious…“If Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well — OK, fine,” she said. “The problem is he had dreams outside of Germany. He wanted to globalize. He wanted everybody to be German.”
There you have it. The problem is, he had dreams outside of Germany”
No, Candace, the problem is that he attempted to kill all the Jewish people and in fact killed 6 million of us. That’s the problem. She ignored the Holocaust. Fortunately she called Hitler out but she didn’t when she made her remarks in London.
As for her remarks about Ye being her friend and therefore won’t attack him. Friend or not, she should call him out on his antisemitism and perhaps end the friendship as you would if your friend turned out to be a mass murderer.
The reason she gave for her reticence is that Ye acknowledged to Piers Morgan that his remarks were “antisemitic and racist” and that he apologized for saying them.. Well that’s something. But he is still an antisemite, is he not?
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. They do, they have, and got accused of controlling the civil rights movement for their own benefit by black nationalists. Look into the. history of the split in SNCC the expulsion of whites who were disproportionately Jews and the rise of the black power movement in the 60s.
I don’t see how any Jew can support her no matter how wonderfully conservative she is or appears to be (other than the types like Blumenthal and Ron Unz) – and she is also STUPID (this is not the 1st time she was kind of OK with Hitler, and what would be the reason for her fascination with him other than what he did to the Jews):
https://www.alternet.org/2022/11/candace-owens-mein-kampf-textbook/
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffsb&q=Candace+Owens+about+Hitler&ia=web
Sebastien https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7BJ_vfGrbs
Actually, her statement that she doesn’t care about money is a lie (based on the rest of her speech).
As I recall, she used to espouse different views until she realized that she wasn’t hitting the right note and it wasn’t giving her the success (and the money) that she wanted.
I heard disdain for Jews in her rant (how dare these !$%^^ become insulted!)
Paula Deen (a very popular chef) had her career ruined about 10 years ago because she had said the “N word” God knows how long ago before that but when the situation is reversed and especially when it is the Jews who are on the receiving end of the slurs, they should just be good sports and go along with it.
I don’t understand why the American Jews don’t simply point out how much they fought against racism (and some actually were killed fighting for the black rights) and financed the NAACP, etc., instead of trying to punish the offender which doesn’t work anyway and backfires because the offender actually becomes in everyone’s mind “the victim of the Jews”.
Most Jews in the US are in a worse denial than the German Jews in the Weimar Republic before Hitler, in my opinion.
peloni86 xoxoxoox
She’s upset that her friends’ bully pulpits reaching tens or hundreds of millions of adoring groupies have been whittled down just because they use them to incite hatred of Jews. No better reason than that. Think about that.
Reminds me of liberals who said so what if the Pals lobbed over 4,000 missiles at Israel when Iron Dome caught most of them. Thatmakes dead terrorists martyrs.
There is plenty of hypocrisy out there to be shared even among Jews!
And she’s so sanctimonious. Frankly, my dear, I can’t stand her. Prager’s a bit of a prig, too.
But she has so much to say that the world Must Hear like how she and everyone else Must stop using billions of paper towels.
Billions!!!!! :D. Especially Americans. Natch. Whether on the left or the right I for one am getting pretty fed up with people (or peoples) guilt-tripping me.whether as a Jew or as an American.
https://youtu.be/WIZ1fSp6J0A
@Ted “Some of my best friends are antisemites (and wannabe mass murderers) .”. 😀 – Candace Owens
But not Jews, apparently. She really thinks it is they and she who are the victims, here.
When it comes to antisemiism and to Jews, she is insensitive, at hest.
“Claims.” 😀
@Honeybee
Despite her insistence that she does not perform, Candace provides selective performances, not for money, but for personal associations, making her role as a leader one which is manipulated, not by something so base as money, but rather by one which is specifically subjective, based on the cult of personalities and personal alliances. Speaking for myself, I am quite disappointed in her lack of judgement, lack of honesty, and lack of integrity.
But as you say, she does tap dance quite well when the personalities involved influence her to do so.
Candace. can tap dance so well
In a nutshell, Antisemites have feelings, too. She feels their pain. Hitler built the autobahn. Mussolini made the trains run on time. West inspired her with his child of academia to riches example. She thinks Irving and West shouldn’t have their bully pulpits taken away. Next, please. ‘
—
As for the virtual reality app where you die if you die in the game, that’s the premise of the 2019 Kdrama, “Memories of the Alhambra.”
@Ted
All quite true.
That”s because she never said it. Worse than this, as she was “breaking her silence on Ye”, her only commentary on his actions related the sympathy she felt for HIM and the financial consequences which this bigoted billionaire suffer for his weeks long antisemitic rant. In fact, rather than actually addressing the antisemitic elephant in the room, she pivots towards offering praise for her other friend Praeger, as if her friendship with him or any other Jew is even remotely related. Or was it that she was trying to subtly suggest that some of her very good friends might be antisemites, but some are also Jewish? The more I consider her comments, the more troubling I find them to be, to be honest. Whereas I agree that her comments about Hitler were simply wrong and not antisemitic, her obvious tolerance and absurd defense of this overtly antisemitic friend of hers is quite disturbing, and frankly, a shocking revelation.
@Peloni
Please read my remark again. I made some edits.
@Ted
I totally agree. If Ye can not be described as an antisemite, who can be? Furthermore, if someone similarly spoke out with such derogatory language against the Blacks, would we be restricting our criticisms to the racist statements they made, or would we say they were in fact racists. Both Praeger and Candace are being quite disingenuous in their statements and it represents a complete failure of leadership on both their parts. In fact, they are each acting out of sympathy of friendship, Praeger for Candace and Candace for Ye, rather than dealing with the issue as if it were as significant as it is.
Dennis Prager in his monologue about all this clearly said Ye’s statements were antisemitic but refused to call him an antisemite. His reason for not doing so was very lame. Candace is doing the same thing. How sad.
Candace angrily said to him “I am not playing this game with you guys” meaning the Jewish community. She referred to the episode of the Hitler remarks and basically said that after explaining the context and that she didn’t apologize for Hitler, she was offended that so many Jews didn’t accept it and called her an antisemite. I think they were wrong. She is not an antisemite. Rather than look deeper into her defense to see why her defense was insufficient, she took umbrage and basically said “fuck you” And also said it to Dennis.
I don’t recall her actually saying that Ye’s remarks were antisemitic and he shouldn’t have said such things.
She explained Ye’s antisemetic outbursts as a result of him being “hurt” by one person’s attacks. Sorry, that is no excuse. Ye did not knowingly “blow himself up.” Dollars to donuts, if he knew what would happen to his worth, he wouldn’t have doubled down. And what’s with the “Now I am finally free” remark to Hollywood pressure.. What pressure? What had he been bottling up that he was happy to rid himself up? Was he suppressing his antisemitism? Was he finally free that he could horrid things out loud?
In the Hitler affair Candace should have said she misspoke in saying what she did but she merely said it was out of context. She took no responsibility for the incident.
Once again with the Ye thing she blamed others for causing the hurt and justified Ye’s reaction by saying “hurt people hurt”. She would have been better off if she just said the Ye’ already apologized but no she had to defend him making such remarks.
I think it is important to recognize the celebrity status that Ye holds in the Black community, being a leader over decades of success in multiple areas, demonstrating the potential which Black Americans can reach, as Candace explains in her monologue. She also acknowledges that she too is, herself, a leader, whom people look to for guidance and leadership. With all of this, I am quite astonished that at no point, not in this monologue and not once in the past weeks of Ye issuing ever more significant statements of Jew-Hatred has Candace publicly stated that Ye was actually wrong, or that he was purposefully influencing the Black community to accept his antisemitic rant as, well, acceptable. She also has never objected to the damage which Ye has done to the relationship between the Black and Jewish communities, even as the Jewish community is facing ever rising attacks from multiple corners in the US. She falls back on the fact that Ye represents something quite essential to the Black community, having given Black Americans a sense of ability and power which they previously did not recognize was within their grasp. What she fails to speak to and perhaps of what she still remains ignorant, is that this position of celebrity in the Black community is the very reason why Black leaders should have come out and condemned Ye in the most solemn terms possible for his damaging remarks, and among the leaders who this was most incumbent upon were those who were most closely associated with Ye, leaders such as Candace herself. Perhaps she did do so, but if she did so in a timely fashion, it clearly failed to have an effect, following which it then became incumbent upon Candace to do what leaders are suppose to do when a damaging influence is being pressed upon their community, and that is to lead, lead from the front, not with a deafening silence, but with a thunderous rebuke of the damaging influence.
While watching Candace’s comments here I was reminded of the phrase, “Evil persists while good people do nothing”, because this is what Candace did do, nothing, as her friend, an amazingly talented, popular, influential leader of the Black community normalized the free expression of Jew hatred among the Black community, placing the cause for their lack of success or their lack of advancement as being due to the evil Jewish oppressors of the Black people. Indeed, the very reasons which Candace expresses as being the cause for her reluctance to ‘debit’ him, are the very reasons why she needed to ‘debit’ him. He is a leader of the Black community and he was employing that leadership to abuse Jewish Americans, simply because they were Jews. If Candace can not find it in herself to do something so simple as to openly object to something so egregious as Ye’s attempt to strike out at all Jewish people as his response to the threats made against him by a single individual, who simply happened to be Jewish, well, what is it we call leaders who fail to rise to the moment and speak out against evil, even among their friends, especially among their friends? The word that comes to my mind is ‘complicit’.
I have been a big supporter of Candace Owens right from the beginning of her rise and will remain so. Nevertheless, I expected more from her. The fact that she registers her hurt at her treatment and comes out swinging. indicates to me that she still doesn’t get it.. She still maintains that the whole problem with the Hitler statement was that it was taken out of context and that she said nothing wrong.. I’ll grant her that it was taken out of context but even in context what she said was stupid and ignorant, but not malicious…“If Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well — OK, fine,” she said. “The problem is he had dreams outside of Germany. He wanted to globalize. He wanted everybody to be German.”
There you have it. The problem is, he had dreams outside of Germany”
No, Candace, the problem is that he attempted to kill all the Jewish people and in fact killed 6 million of us. That’s the problem. She ignored the Holocaust. Fortunately she called Hitler out but she didn’t when she made her remarks in London.
As for her remarks about Ye being her friend and therefore won’t attack him. Friend or not, she should call him out on his antisemitism and perhaps end the friendship as you would if your friend turned out to be a mass murderer.
The reason she gave for her reticence is that Ye acknowledged to Piers Morgan that his remarks were “antisemitic and racist” and that he apologized for saying them.. Well that’s something. But he is still an antisemite, is he not?