T. Belman. Just as I advised 15 years ago, Israel is bombing Gaza before invading. Some people are already complaining about the collateral damage i.e., the deaths of civilians.
Let me remind you that so long as Israel is targeting a miltarly object, it is not a war crime if civilians are killed in the process.
By Ted Belman 2008
Moishe Feiglin writes:
“Olmert is about to send our children back there for a big, pointless military operation that will only increase the rain of missiles on the western Negev and, according to estimates, send at least 100 soldiers home dead, G-d forbid. At the end of the Great Military Operation, the IDF will retreat from Gaza. If the missiles had stopped in the interim, they will be back. Rabbis will encourage their students to fight for the glory of the nation and nobody except the grieving families will remember the dead soldiers. And nobody will remember Olmert’s investigation, either.”
The utter defeat of Hamas should be accomplished with the least number of IDF casualties. No one has the right to sacrifice our soldiers on the altar of world opinion. Bombing, with advance warning, is the moral thing to do. Never equate Jewish deaths with the enemy’s deaths. Our duty is to our own soldiers.
Conservative Christian posts Rabbi speaks out with moral clarity June 1, 2007
Eliyahu advocates carpet bombing Gaza
Matthew Wagner, THE JERUSALEM POSTAll civilians living in Gaza are collectively guilty for Kassam attacks on Sderot, former Sephardi chief rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu has written in a letter to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.
Eliyahu ruled that there was absolutely no moral prohibition against the indiscriminate killing of civilians during a potential massive military offensive on Gaza aimed at stopping the rocket launchings.[..]
The former chief rabbi also said it was forbidden to risk the lives of Jews in Sderot or the lives of IDF soldiers for fear of injuring or killing Palestinian noncombatants living in Gaza.[..]
The Assault on Israel’s Right to Self-Defense was described by Abraham Bell in his article on International Law and Gaza. Dr. Avi Bell is a member of the Faculty of Law at Bar-Ilan University, Visiting Professor at Fordham University Law School, and Director of the International Law Forum at the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs. He clearly advised that Israel has the right of self defense and described the law as it pertains.
But I was left with some nagging questions. What do the principles and rules he set out mean in practice. I wanted to know if Israel had no choice but to invade or whether it could just use artillery and bombs, even unintelligent inexpensive bombs. I fully understood that the restriction on certain supplies entering Gaza was legal and so were targeted killings though our “international friends” disagree.
I asked Bruce Tucker Smith, JD, LL.M. (International Law), Lt Col USAFR (ret), the Co-author “Seventh Psalm”.
Here is his considered opinion.
Criticism leveled at Israel for her response to terrorist attacks by Hamas in the Gaza says more about those who criticize Israel than it does about the legality of the reprisals.
Can Israel respond to Hamas’ attacks? In what strength? By what means? These questions are traditionally answered in the salons of international legal debate, by an examination of the status of the combatants.
We therefore ask: What is Gaza? What is Hamas? Answer these questions honestly, and there is little room for discussion or debate about the legality or legitimacy of Israel’s military responses to date or her options in the future. Answer these questions honestly and you will have taken a long step toward resolving the endless criticism of Israel’s military response to the endless stream of rockets cascading into Israel from the west. (In fact, more than 5000 since Israel ceased her occupation of the Gaza.)
Gaza is not a formally-defined, internationally-recognized state. It is, at best, a protectorate or a territory but certainly it does NOT enjoy the status of international “statehood” that would entitle such an entity to claim sovereignty over her national borders and the land within.
Hamas, of course, is the Islamic Resistance Movement, which became active in the early stages of the intifada. It operates primarily in the Gaza (and also in Judea and Samaria). Its stated goal: the eradication of the Israeli people and the establishment of an Islamic Palestinian state in place of Israel. Hamas, of course, has the outright backing of Iran in its genocidal efforts to murder Israelis.
What Hamas is NOT, is a recognized armed force operating under the aegis of a duly-elected state; it is not a signatory to any of the Geneva Conventions; it is not a member of either the United Nations or the Security Council; it does NOT campaign openly under a national flag and it’s operatives don’t wear recognized badges of nationality or military rank. In the legal parlance of the ?Law of War,? Hamas, as an entity, is not a recognized ?combatant? and, hence, not entitled to the protections of the Geneva Conventions. The latter cannot be strongly enough emphasized: Hamas, and the people who support or conceal its efforts, are entitled to NO special protections under any aspect of the Law Of War, of which the Geneva Conventions are but a part.
By contrast, those nations, armies or entities who DO ascribe to and respect the Geneva Conventions; who DO campaign under a national flag and chain-of-command ARE entitled to the special protections of the Conventions!
As the Olmert government has repeatedly said, Israel will not negotiate with entities that do not recognize the legitimate demands of the international community, as voiced through the United States, European Union, the United Nations and Russia! Hence, Israel?s use of force against Hamas.
The United Nations Charter, Article 51, clearly and plainly provides Israel with the necessary legal armor to pursue and rout Hamas. “Nothing in the present Charter,” Article 51 reads, “Shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security.”
Other than a few weak-worded Resolutions, the Security Council has failed to take action to protect Israel’s safety and sovereignty hence, she is free to act as she will militarily! And, in my opinion, she is free of many of the traditional limitations on the use of military force; at least where Hamas is concerned.
Rule of proportionality
The oft-misunderstood “rule of proportionality” is usually cited, wrongly, by the left in critique of Israel’s operations against Hamas in Gaza.
One must recognize that the “rule” is, in fact, no rule at all. It is not clearly defined in any statute or treaty. Rather, it can best be described as the resulting synthesis of “customary international law” which is derived from a reading of the ancient Hague Conventions (written in an era when warfare was defined as set-piece battles, conducted by brightly-clad armies amassed on the sunlit fields of Europe) and the 1949 Geneva Conventions which, in part, proscribe armed reprisals against civilians. Sadly, the “rule” is frequently bent or twisted to meet the ends of the particular sophistry at hand.
In its simplest application, the “rule” generally means that an army cannot inflict collateral damage upon an enemy combatant (or the surrounding civilian populace) in excess of the legitimate military advantage conferred upon the attacking army. In other words, a nation?s military response must be necessary and proportional to the injury suffered.
“Legal scholars” frequently say, “If someone punched you in the nose, you don’t burn their house down.” To be sure, those are seductive words, rationally attractive, and intellectually inviting “but utter hokum in the face of reality. Taken to its logical absurdity, such a definition of the “rule” would prevent an army from EVER amassing superior firepower against an enemy, lest that army be accused of a disproportionate use of force! The fact is, wars are won when one side utilizes a disproportionate amount of force to defeat an enemy otherwise, the Third Reich would still sit in power with the Allied armies resting somewhere near the Seine River.
The “rule” is often manipulated in the court of public opinion, particularly in the era of “asymmetrical warfare,” the current buzz-term which describes the conflict between western nations who possess large standing armies and billion-dollar gadgetry and terrorist groups who employ simple, terroristic, and patently illegal means of waging armed conflict.
The world’s (leftist) academic “elite” and media sympathetic to Islamic fundamentalism almost always focus on Israels’ response to terrorism! No doubt, leftist apologists are motivated by some misplaced, misguided sense of “unfairness” that a well-organized, well-trained and well-equipped IDF would pursue and kill Hamas terrorists who intentionally clad themselves in civilian attire and hide their operations in schools, hospitals and Mosques.
The simple fact is that the “rule of proportionality” shrinks to near inapplicability when Hamas uses civilians as shields or when it purposely attacks the innocent ” the central most effective tools in the terrorist’s arsenal.
“Collateral damage”
Another common misstatement in the public discourse surrounds the killing of civilians. Of course, NO one would countenance murder and nothing in this essay should be construed as a brusque dismissal of civilian deaths “but a distinction in the Law of War regarding civilian deaths is frequently and intentionally ignored. The Law of War proscribes the INTENTIONAL targeting of civilians, not the inadvertent and unfortunate loss of civilian life in an armed conflict. Yet, whenever inadvertent civilian deaths DO occur in the Gaza or in the West Bank or in Baghdad, the left immediately and uniformly decries those deaths as “war crimes” which they most certainly are not!
Such is the nature of public debate, particularly in the wake of 9/11.
In short “Israel’s defense forces are entitled to use whatever means is at her disposal to search out and destroy terrorist operatives. Nothing in international law precludes a vigorous, intense and effective military campaign to destroy terrorist operations. That means, Israel may use air and ground-artillery resources –as she will–against those Hamas operatives (I hesitate to use the word “military” since Hamas is NOT a recognized military force.) which are used to inflict casualties upon Israel.
That means Israel may use her army in large or small measure to attack any place or person that attacks Israel. That means Israel can bombard Hamas targets as militarily necessary to render it impotent against a subsequent wave of Israeli soldiers. Although politically preferable, nothing in international law absolutely requires Israel to use “smart” munitions in its operations against Hamas.
If Hamas attempts to shield its operations with truly innocent civilians or children, it is Hamas and not Israel, who has committed an atrocity –an actionable war crime–of the most heinous proportion!.
In sum: Israel is free to employ ALL munitions, tactics, equipment and personnel in her arsenal to defend herself against the outlaw Hamas terrorist organization. Short of the intentional targeting and murder of truly uninvolved and innocent civilians, Israel can (and should) operate as freely as she desires to protect her territorial sovereignty and the lives of her citizens.
So, it is not international law that Israel is concerned about. The Government of Israel is more concerned about the cries of the international community than the cries of its children and mothers. It is more concerned with the lives of Arabs than the lives of its own citizens including its soldiers.
Israel has the right to bomb Gaza and use artillery. Its about time they did.
If Israel invades instead, with the loss of many of its own soldiers, I submit it would be guilty of a war crime against its own people. At a minimum Israel would be guilty of criminal negligence if it sent the IDF soldiers to their deaths rather than to bomb.
It is morally repugnant to sacrifice your own soldiers to save the lives of your enemies. Forget about world opinion.
@ Bear That would stretch the IDF to thinly. It would be an elective, preemptive war undertaken while rockets are still fallling on cities throughout Israel from Gaza. Hezbollah has better and more missiles than Hamas. Multiple wars are not something to be invited. Also, statements were made to the effect that the reason the U.S. sent warships is to deter outside Jihadist forces such as Hezbollah or Syria from widening the war into a regional war.
@Seb, I am talking about massive bombardment of all of Lebanon and not just limited strikes in Southern Lebanon.
Ted is right. Gaza should be bombed before any invasion takes place. With Israel’s warning to Gaza citizens to move south, it can now be assumed that all non-combatant civilians are gone, and those who remain are either human shields, or civilians who have chosen to become combatants. OK. That ambiguity is resolved.
An urban, house-to-house, guerilla style war, however, will be a big drain on Israeli manpower and finances, while allowing world opinion to build against Israel. So what should they do? Like Ted said, bombing Gaza is logical, but it is only temporary. I would take this to next level. Bomb north Gaza to rubble, then send in the bulldozers and level absolutely everything. Leave no structures (or piles of rubble) where one could live, or fight from. This would eliminate the need for a large occupation force. Of course, Israel would then need to establish a boundary between north and south Gaza, but they are already manning a border anyway, so only the location of the line changes.
This will leave a greatly weakened Hamas in southern Gaza. Their leaders can then be surgically eliminated, and the rest of their foot-soldiers will be contained in the South Gaza prison camp. Maybe the Gazans will wake up and smell the coffee, and decide that civilization is better than another defeat. The people of (south) Gaza can still build a life for themselves, if they will just change course.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-16/ty-article-live/israel-prepares-for-ground-invasion-biden-big-mistake-to-reoccupy-gaza/0000018b-364f-dc99-a1db-3fcf1ae10000?liveBlogItemId=1086738777#1086738777
@Ted Belman
That is because the West wants to destroy both Israel and Russia but for different reasons and by different means.
@Bear
Today! (though the IDF is also bombing Lebanon)
Monday, 9:44 p.m. Another rocket barrage was launched at the Tel Aviv area, the fourth such barrage today.
Monday, 9:02 p.m. A large rocket barrage was launched at Sderot and other communities throughout southern Israel.
Monday, 8:59 p.m. Rockets were launched at Kfar Aza, Nahal Oz, and Sa’ad.
Monday, 7:59 p.m. A rocket barrage was fired at Tel Aviv and other communities in central Israel.
Monday, 7:42 p.m. Red alert sirens in Kibbutz Nirim.
Monday, 7:40 p.m. Red alert sirens activated in the Gaza periphery.
Monday, 7:00 p.m. A rocket barrage was fired at numerous communities in southern Israel.
Monday, 6:00 p.m. Rocket barrage on Ashkelon.
Monday, 5:17 p.m. Another barrage of rockets was launched at the Tel Aviv area.
Monday, 5:10 p.m. A woman was moderately injured by shrapnel from a rocket in Holon, and a fire was caused by a rocket strike in Beit Shemesh.
Monday, 4:47 p.m. A heavy rocket barrage was launched at Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, and much of central Israel, causing the Knesset plenum to be evacuated and the Knesset session to be delayed for ten minutes
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/378524
Ted: Surely Libya, that haven of freedom, peace and love would take the Gazan hordes, or perhaps that toxic turd Erdogan would take a few hundred thousand. Better yet, I’m sure that Newsom would readily welcome such cultural enrichment to California.
As South Africa is so keen on “palestine” and boycotting Israel as waaaayycist, surely they’d be only too happy to take half a million of their favourite terrorists.
Can’t see a single problem when considering the ANC and the late unlamented Bishop Desmond Nostrils Tutu’s affection for Palestinian Jew hatred.
Yep, send em to South Africa.
Ted, this article of yours is priceless. Everything here is what the Israeli leaders must know and agree upon. Everything! The major problem is that many people in Israel are under propaganda, mainstream media and education are in the hands of globalists. Leftists/atheists/NGOs are financed and prevail. That is scarier than Hamas. What “proportionate response” does the “international community” is talking about? If the victim is your son, how will you calculate the proportion? In order to win the war the response must be – to destroy the enemy. It has always been this way. What Israeli politicians/military leaders are doing is suicidal.
Russian & Chinese Weapons found with Hamas.
The West always asks Israel to give land for peace. They absolutely refuse to allow Ukraine to give land for peace.
Ted, you were right 15 years ago, and you are right today. Personally, I am sick and tired of media talking heads and people around the world sitting comfortably in their living rooms, discussing Israel’s “proportional response.” Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not proportional responses. When you want to END a war – DISPROPORTION is how you do it. History has proven land-for-peace is appeasement, and an enemy who is ideologically and doctrinally committed to your annihilation can never be appeased. It is time for Israel to END this war and do what must be done to protect her citizens and her sovereignty. Why? Because the Hamas attack on Israeli CIVILIANS that started this war happened in the real world. Real Israeli children were decapitated, and real Israeli women were raped and tortured, and real Israeli civilians were brutalized and slaughtered. The media talking heads and people sitting comfortably in their living rooms have NO STANDING in this war whatsoever. Am Yisrael Chai!
Israel needs to take care of the Hezis first!
Iran next
Then Gaza
Hungary a pariah for turning away Muslim migrants but Egypt can keep out genuine Arab refugees from Gaza with impunity? These are the countries they actually came from.
Ted, we are bombing in a serious manner!
Visuals even look like thermobaric bombs to destroy tunnels.
The aggrieved party should throw the first stone.
Zech.2
[8] For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye
Someone said that in their over-the-top brutality, HAMAS was “poking God in the eye” The Gazans ought to pray, that Israel punish them; because if they don’t, God will do it Himself.
PS. Hund, you mention Dresden and Hamburg. The really sad part of all that, is that the civilians HAD TO pay the price for what the soldiers were doing, else the latter would have continued to fight for hearth and home. The early American colonists were forced to use similar tactics against the Narragansets in King Philip’s War. Eric Metaxes points out in his book, “Bonhoeffer”, that the German Christian Church put Hitler in power, by initially choosing to avoid the issue. Once they had done that, they became ensnared in their own decision. Virtually the whole world today are in exactly that place (including many Jews). Either one opposes the tyrants, or he stands with them.
As Bob Dylan used to say, “It’s a hard rain’s gonna fall”. Only a remnant will be saved.
You are absolutely right with your statement, Mr. Belman. Eff collateral damage.
Yes, they complain about innocent victims just like the Germans do to date about those who perished in Dresden and in Hamburg.
The Germans thought they could raze Warsaw, Rotterdam, Coventry and just anything to the ground; exterminate the Jews, the dirty peasant Untermenschen Poles, the Russians and rob them of everything, their possessions, their dignity, humiliate them, rape them, gas them — and get away with it…
But, oh! Unfortunately it didn’t turned out the way they imagened it would!
And then these poor sophisticated and civilizised “Dichter und Denker” (“poets and thinkers”, as the Germans like to call themselves. Think of Goethe!),
(who were SO civilized und humane, that they even tried to hide their murder holocaust by placing the concentration camps in Poland!),
these Übermenschen-Germans, from whom obviously none of them had anything never ever (!) to do with the Nazis — they cried bitter tears as the war they themselves started and cheered (“Heil H*tler! Sieg Heil, mein Führer!”) came home to them.
All Germans rejoiced at the victories of the Wehrmacht then, just as the Arabs, the “Palestinians”, worldwide (be it in Berlin, in New York, in Paris, Marseille, London or Islamabad), today and since 1,400 years, rejoice at the murder of the Jews.
They, the “palestinians”, and all of the arabs worldwide openly cheer and brag – without any shame – about the slaughter of Jews, the beheadings and rape of babies, women and men, rape, murder and arson.
This is a more than 2,000 year old story.
This is also the reason why the Jews, or so many of us, are so traumatised, so disturbed, so finished, that they have developed Stockholm Syndrome — just to appease these murderers.
This is (one of) the reason why there are so many leftist Jews, and even “Court Jews”. People who just lost their mind.
I know what I’m talking about, because I inherited some trauma from my severly beaten Polish mother who beat the hell out of me, although she loves me, and probably from my grandparent’s generation from whom some of them had the honorable privilege to visit sanatorium Stutthof and Auschwitz and to leave it through the chimney. To learn from the Germans how to be “fleißig und sauber”, diligent and tidy, and to finally be exterminated.
And the so sophisticated, educated, so intellectual world-wide left is with them, the today’s murderers.
Black Lives Matters, the EU, the UN – and all the mainstream like BBC, CNN, New York Times, Der Spiegel, and countless others.
I’m sorry that I bothered you with opening my mind. I shouldn’t have done that.
But I despise them all. The germans, the eu, islam – at least about 70% of mankind (sorry! I should say peoplekind, like prime minister Trudeau told us to).
Because they are all murderers.
In my opinion something about 70% of mankind are sheep and only capable to follow orders and willingly to murder if they are told to so. Remember the plandemic. Leftists are all sheep.
To come to an end, it is time these Hamas bastards finally taste their own medicine.
Reap what you have sown.
And greet your allah and his/her bearded prophet when you meet him/her/it in hell.
You are absolutely right with your statement, Mr. Belman.
In my opinion, bomb Gaza like they bombed Warsaw and the Ghetto. Let them cheering Gazans cry the tears and feel the pain the Jews of Khaibar endured.
Am Yisrael chai!
I just recerived this letter:
I showed it to my daughter and she said everyone she knows, has multiple family members who have been called up. Two of her friends are among the hostages.
I went shooping for groceries. The shelves are half empty beause everyone has been called up.
“Israel Warns 1 Million Residents of Northern Gaza to Leave Until War’s End
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/10/12/israel-warns-1-million-residents-of-northern-gaza-to-leave-until-wars-end/
Then what? Then someone declares that “Hamas Lives Matter”, or whatever they call themselves then, are “mostly peaceful”, and it’s back to children getting decapitated in safe rooms.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/greece-on-alert-for-hidden-terrorists-as-middle-east-crisis-escalates/
I would prefer, that the Gazans go to Egypt.
https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2023/10/12/Gazans-must-remain-on-their-land-Egypt-s-Sisi
Sisi is writing Gaza’s death warrant.
Felix,
I cannot think of non-insulting words for you. You support the people who support HAMAS. Those people are very much alive. Stepan Bandara died decades ago. Of course, you ought to be greatly ashamed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q7NGLSsr-I
Iran-Russia Deal with Hezbollah and Syria
OWN IT, FELIX!
Michael S
There is the closest relationship between Stepan Bandera and the Holocaust of the Jews in Ukraine in the Holocaust by Bullets – and the whole of the present Banderism in Ukraine. This is why the wearing of Nazi insignia on their uniforms has been common and photographed thousands of times. Talked about widely in the Media BEFORE the Maidan coup.
This brings the Holocaust into the present in the Ukraine where actually it never left.
That the present Ukraine were an entity which had nothing to do with the Holocaust is a fiction.
You were one of the TRIO on Israpundit who spread this poison of the mind
Why were these concert goers of the youth in South Israel so unprepared for the Fascism of Hamas? Because you and others had DISARMED them mentally
Instead of the truth the massive lie was enacted:
The lie that Zelensky was a free spirit and he and the forces he teamed with had NOTHING to do with the Holocaust by Bullets
That is quite unconnected with the murder of a MILLION AND A HALF JEWS
When is added to that the massive Pogrom movement throughout Ukraine of 1918 to 1919 the real picture starts to come into focus.
This is the real sickness that these facts were hidden.
I have been beating myself black and blue trying to raise this story on this “Jewish” site. Why has it been so hard?
Tucker Carlson opposes neocons who support Israel
I stand with Israel. An Israeli flag flies from my house. This doesn’t make me a neocon. Israel should be free to take care of its own business. Ditto for Ukraine.
@Felix
This remains a very important point. Thank you for raising it.
ISRAEL
should demand that Egypt reopen it’s Gaza Border, to allow the civilians, nearly all Hamas’ supporters, to flee into Sinai. If Sisi won’t then Israel should shell the gates open. Apologise later. The Gazans are basically Egyptians anyway.
THEN……. completely LEVEL Gaza until it is flat, shove the rubble into the sea, block or introduce gas into the tunnel entrances, Block air intake tubes, Completely empty Gaza of ALL Arabs for ever..
Rebuild and populate ONLY with Jews.
Sebastien suggested the “only Jews” living in Gaza and I strongly agree.
ISRAEL UNWIRED JUST PUBLISHED THIS ARTICLE HERE.
aRUTZ sHEVA WILL ALSO PUBLISH IT.
I find it very interesting that the real theoretical and methodological source for all of these Palestinians is Haj Amin el Husseini and that among thousands of writers about this war INCLUDING ON THIS SITE you hear nary one word of such
El Husseini was very active and note that he was also in Yugoslavia where he raised WAFFEN SS brigades for Hitler. And this was only a couple of hundred miles from that of the UKRAINIAN Fascists.
Doing roughly the same
There is the source in every respect to this today.
I find this article confusing tbh
I have to keep checking on the date also today may be different than so long ago
What is the key issue.
Is it the hostages,?
Is it separate the Hamas from the population?
Then having done that destroy Hamas.
Would Ireland for example take 100,000?
Who will pose the issue?
What is the tactical detail in all of this?
I notice only Peloni has referred to the example of Donbass and how Russia acted there
Too much secrecy here
@Bear
I am in conversation with Mudar and can’t report what he is telling me. But I am not disappointed.
Smash Hamas & Destroy all of Gaza. Get the hostages back.
Destroy Hamas, Islamic Jihad and all other terrorists! Open corridors to Egypt and coordinate international agencies to have ships nearby to take civilians Egypt will not allow in.
Next Hezbollah – Then Iran
Sovereignty in Judea- Samaria and find homes for Arabs there in other countries. Ted, tell Mudar time is ripe.
Thank you, Ted, for re-posting this article. It is extremely helpful in clarifying Israel’s options.
@Ted
Exactly so. Furthermore, as Bibi has noted, for those who are sensitive to the care and safety of the Pals living in Gaza, let them take them, let them provide a protective area in which to keep the Pals safe from harm, much as Russia has done for the literally millions of ethnic Russians living in the Dombas over the past decade while Ukraine was fighting its war against the ethnic Russians. Instead, Egypt has refused to allow humanitarian corridors which would allow the Pals to find refuge from the war. Egypt doesn’t want the Pals. No one wants the Pals. They are a disruptive group of radical Islamists, and it serves the purposes of the leaders of nations such as Egypt to leave them in the war zone where any number might become casualties where they will serve as political capital for the likes of Sissi.
The Palestinians in the Gaza Strip have been warned to leave. If they don’t,it’s their own fault. As mentioned above, they may become intentional or collateral damage depending on their behavior. Israel can only say “sorry” if they were caught in the crossfire.
Shock and awe aka blitzkrieg which tactic as actually invented by De Gaulle in the 1920s. The pals are using it. Why not Israel? Is there time for all these pinpoint strikes? Just level the place and blow a hole in the crossing to Egypt. Say it was mistake. Oops, sorry.
Its about time that Israel took off the gloves and destroyed the PA/Hamas/PLO etc leaders’ palaces and mansions with the before and after shots in full high definition colour, stating whose palace/mansion it was. All of them paid for out of graft and corruption and the theft of “aid” money. Time too to broadcast 24/7 the realities of those so-called “refugee camps” aka whole built up city districts. Likewise, time to go after the affluent Gazan coastal residences of the Fakestinian leaders and their cronies and to hell with “proportionality”.
Israel should also flood the terror tunnels with millions of gallons of seawater and raw sewage, rendering then unusable.
any attempted “demonstrations” at the border, should result in the “peaceful” petrol bomb throwing “demonstrators” being soaked in indelible red UV fluorescing dye mixed with foul smelling mercaptans. Floodlighting the area with UV lights will result in those attempting night time incursions lighting up like beacons and those with guns or bombs picked off by snipers.
Use of incendiary balloons should result in equivalent areas being torched, tit for tat, crops, meadows no compromise and completely “proportional as well. Its amazing how much a dose of one’s own medicine concentrates minds.
Finally, any area where missiles are fired from or stored, should be bulldozed flat, to the bedrock, 100mtr square of nothingness visible from space and let the UN and that senile dead-shark-eyed scumbag Biden and his puppet-master Obama and the appalling Blinken and Kerry pick the bones out of it.
Israel needs to secure manufacturing facilities in the event of the US and others doing the inevitable dirty on her. India is the key and I don’t think the likes of the UAE or even Saudi will shed too many tears. The flies in the ointment are the suicidally stupid Israeli left, idiot American JINOs and the Iranian threat in the North.
Arutz Sheva just published this article under the title, The Rules of War.
A very timely article despite the fact that it was penned some 15 years ago. Israel’s national interest always demanded that the threat poised from Gaza be put to an end, and the clarity of this fact, as described in this article, stands as a great reproach upon Israel’s failed policies which have actually aided the cancer within Gaza to grow into its current gargantuan iteration. By substituting the interests of other nations over that of the Israeli people, Israel has surrendered its most basic obligation as a sovereign nation to others. This criminal abrogation of the basic defense of its own people has simply perpetuated and expanded the terrorists who were held safe within Gazastan while the Israeli people suffer continuous assaults from the ever more sophisticated weapons and tactics of this terrorist den. Israel needs to pursue a policy which was set in motion when Operation Jonathan changed the dynamic of terrorism around the world. It is a sad fact that the success of that operation fell prey to the goals of expediency and international pressure. It is an obscene indictment, in fact, that the status quo has been adopted in its place, and every Israeli who fell victim to the Gazan terrorists lays at the feet of Israel, herself, for tolerating this active workshop of butchery. We must return to the policy of meeting terror with whatever force needed to extinguish its existence. By failing to do so, we have supported the maturation of an existential threat against our own people. This must end.
Nothing has changed since this article was printed.
If you punch a monster’s nose, you need to live with the response. If you punch someone’s nose without considering who he is, you may find out too late the he is a monster. The worst you can do is to underestimate your opponent. I doubt the Gazans are so stupid. They hope to profit before the UN and Co and maybe before their God.
According to the Muslims controlled UN, the only rights of IL is to accept the rockets and not complain.
while those who elect jew killers and train jew killing children, are protected by Israeli leaders, and the IDF this is what is being done ongoing and for years, to jewish children and jewish civilians. http://www.youtube.com/user/idfnadesk
Bill Levinson Said:
I’ve talked to a US serviceman in HK who was waiting on an attack ship off Japan when it was dropped. I’ve talked to families on the Canadian prairies that had loved ones come home from the POW camps after it was dropped. The POW’s had already been ordered to be killed even before the invasion. The surrender stopped that.
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Not one of our guys would say “I wish we had died instead’.
And they are nowhere near morally equivalent -those were and are are populations that are in support of and in conspiracy with genocidal murderers, torturers and totalitarians. They are forcing us to do their job for them of removing their leadership.
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The lives of 1.5 million of the enemy population , soldiers and civilians are not worth the single life of one of ours in a time of war.
That’s just reality.
Dresdenize Gaza.
Repeat and rinse.
Israeli leaders who wish to send soldiers in before they have killed as many of the enemy as possible are themselves guilty of the murder of jewish children and of the treason of killing their own to protect the enemy. All possible measures should be used before risking an Israeli life. It is despicable to value the enemy life more than the Israeli life.
Eliyahu is absolutely correct and those Israelis who want their sons to live should rise up against their leaders and demand all forms of bombing until the weapons and hamas leaders are handed over. Stop apologizing and start killing the jew killers.
what is proportionate? For me if my sons life was to be saved by frying a million jew killing gazans in a city I would gladly make the trade. If you tell me my son should die to save the lives of adults voting to kill jews and children training to kill jews, I would say FUGGEDDABOITIT. What sane person would trade a member of his family’s lives to save millions of these vermin? This is what the world is suggesting jewish family’s do, this is what Israeli leaders are contemplating doing. Why not eradicate gaza city by city until they agree to hand over all their weapons and their leaders? They have a choice so why should even one Israeli die until after they are all dead? I would not send my son to die in such a war where my leaders were thinking about saving enemy lives, not one enemy life should be saved at the expense of a jew. I dont care about proportionality or collateral damage and Israel should stop agreeing to be swindled by the foreign agents of the jew killers. Only a low life trades his family to save a jew killer, there is nothing moral ab out that.
Yidvocate Said:
There are no civilians in Gaza.
@ NormanF:
Yes, and how many people are even aware of this operation and that Russia killed tens of thousands of Chechens? Russia did this under the radar without international media all over it. Everything Israel does is held under a microscope.
Proportionality Defined:
“If they don’t stop after we kill 100, then we must kill a thousand,” said Shmuel Eliyahu. “And if they do not stop after 1,000 then we must kill 10,000. If they still don’t stop we must kill 100,000, even a million. Whatever it takes to make them stop.”
Of course that doesn’t mean we deliberately target civilians. If Hamas chooses to fire from civilian areas, the war crime is theirs and Israel is entirely within in it’s right to respond with lethal force regardless of collateral damage. The collateral damage is entirely the responsibility of Hamas, not Israel.
The entire situation is absurd. Israel could vaporize the entire Gaza strip with a push of a button. Why then must it endure the onslaught of Hamas?
What country in the world would?
Israel never had Arthur Harris to teach it about the efficacy of terror bombing.
If Israel had done to Gaza what the Russians did to Grozny, the Islamic terror threat could be eliminated without the loss of a single Israeli soldier’s life and the Arabs, the Turks and Iran would fear and respect Israel.
The Jewish squeamishness about the destruction of the enemy only prolongs human suffering and incurs world contempt for the Jewish State.
The Jews do not know how to fight a war. If you’re not going to do what you need to do, then you shouldn’t engage the enemy in the first place. A war is not a morality debate.