T. Belman. Just as I advised 15 years ago, Israel is bombing Gaza before invading. Some people are already complaining about the collateral damage i.e., the deaths of civilians.
Let me remind you that so long as Israel is targeting a miltarly object, it is not a war crime if civilians are killed in the process.
By Ted Belman 2008
Moishe Feiglin writes:
“Olmert is about to send our children back there for a big, pointless military operation that will only increase the rain of missiles on the western Negev and, according to estimates, send at least 100 soldiers home dead, G-d forbid. At the end of the Great Military Operation, the IDF will retreat from Gaza. If the missiles had stopped in the interim, they will be back. Rabbis will encourage their students to fight for the glory of the nation and nobody except the grieving families will remember the dead soldiers. And nobody will remember Olmert’s investigation, either.”
The utter defeat of Hamas should be accomplished with the least number of IDF casualties. No one has the right to sacrifice our soldiers on the altar of world opinion. Bombing, with advance warning, is the moral thing to do. Never equate Jewish deaths with the enemy’s deaths. Our duty is to our own soldiers.
Conservative Christian posts Rabbi speaks out with moral clarity June 1, 2007
Eliyahu advocates carpet bombing Gaza
Matthew Wagner, THE JERUSALEM POSTAll civilians living in Gaza are collectively guilty for Kassam attacks on Sderot, former Sephardi chief rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu has written in a letter to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.
Eliyahu ruled that there was absolutely no moral prohibition against the indiscriminate killing of civilians during a potential massive military offensive on Gaza aimed at stopping the rocket launchings.[..]
The former chief rabbi also said it was forbidden to risk the lives of Jews in Sderot or the lives of IDF soldiers for fear of injuring or killing Palestinian noncombatants living in Gaza.[..]
The Assault on Israel’s Right to Self-Defense was described by Abraham Bell in his article on International Law and Gaza. Dr. Avi Bell is a member of the Faculty of Law at Bar-Ilan University, Visiting Professor at Fordham University Law School, and Director of the International Law Forum at the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs. He clearly advised that Israel has the right of self defense and described the law as it pertains.
But I was left with some nagging questions. What do the principles and rules he set out mean in practice. I wanted to know if Israel had no choice but to invade or whether it could just use artillery and bombs, even unintelligent inexpensive bombs. I fully understood that the restriction on certain supplies entering Gaza was legal and so were targeted killings though our “international friends” disagree.
I asked Bruce Tucker Smith, JD, LL.M. (International Law), Lt Col USAFR (ret), the Co-author “Seventh Psalm”.
Here is his considered opinion.
Criticism leveled at Israel for her response to terrorist attacks by Hamas in the Gaza says more about those who criticize Israel than it does about the legality of the reprisals.
Can Israel respond to Hamas’ attacks? In what strength? By what means? These questions are traditionally answered in the salons of international legal debate, by an examination of the status of the combatants.
We therefore ask: What is Gaza? What is Hamas? Answer these questions honestly, and there is little room for discussion or debate about the legality or legitimacy of Israel’s military responses to date or her options in the future. Answer these questions honestly and you will have taken a long step toward resolving the endless criticism of Israel’s military response to the endless stream of rockets cascading into Israel from the west. (In fact, more than 5000 since Israel ceased her occupation of the Gaza.)
Gaza is not a formally-defined, internationally-recognized state. It is, at best, a protectorate or a territory but certainly it does NOT enjoy the status of international “statehood” that would entitle such an entity to claim sovereignty over her national borders and the land within.
Hamas, of course, is the Islamic Resistance Movement, which became active in the early stages of the intifada. It operates primarily in the Gaza (and also in Judea and Samaria). Its stated goal: the eradication of the Israeli people and the establishment of an Islamic Palestinian state in place of Israel. Hamas, of course, has the outright backing of Iran in its genocidal efforts to murder Israelis.
What Hamas is NOT, is a recognized armed force operating under the aegis of a duly-elected state; it is not a signatory to any of the Geneva Conventions; it is not a member of either the United Nations or the Security Council; it does NOT campaign openly under a national flag and it’s operatives don’t wear recognized badges of nationality or military rank. In the legal parlance of the ?Law of War,? Hamas, as an entity, is not a recognized ?combatant? and, hence, not entitled to the protections of the Geneva Conventions. The latter cannot be strongly enough emphasized: Hamas, and the people who support or conceal its efforts, are entitled to NO special protections under any aspect of the Law Of War, of which the Geneva Conventions are but a part.
By contrast, those nations, armies or entities who DO ascribe to and respect the Geneva Conventions; who DO campaign under a national flag and chain-of-command ARE entitled to the special protections of the Conventions!
As the Olmert government has repeatedly said, Israel will not negotiate with entities that do not recognize the legitimate demands of the international community, as voiced through the United States, European Union, the United Nations and Russia! Hence, Israel?s use of force against Hamas.
The United Nations Charter, Article 51, clearly and plainly provides Israel with the necessary legal armor to pursue and rout Hamas. “Nothing in the present Charter,” Article 51 reads, “Shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security.”
Other than a few weak-worded Resolutions, the Security Council has failed to take action to protect Israel’s safety and sovereignty hence, she is free to act as she will militarily! And, in my opinion, she is free of many of the traditional limitations on the use of military force; at least where Hamas is concerned.
Rule of proportionality
The oft-misunderstood “rule of proportionality” is usually cited, wrongly, by the left in critique of Israel’s operations against Hamas in Gaza.
One must recognize that the “rule” is, in fact, no rule at all. It is not clearly defined in any statute or treaty. Rather, it can best be described as the resulting synthesis of “customary international law” which is derived from a reading of the ancient Hague Conventions (written in an era when warfare was defined as set-piece battles, conducted by brightly-clad armies amassed on the sunlit fields of Europe) and the 1949 Geneva Conventions which, in part, proscribe armed reprisals against civilians. Sadly, the “rule” is frequently bent or twisted to meet the ends of the particular sophistry at hand.
In its simplest application, the “rule” generally means that an army cannot inflict collateral damage upon an enemy combatant (or the surrounding civilian populace) in excess of the legitimate military advantage conferred upon the attacking army. In other words, a nation?s military response must be necessary and proportional to the injury suffered.
“Legal scholars” frequently say, “If someone punched you in the nose, you don’t burn their house down.” To be sure, those are seductive words, rationally attractive, and intellectually inviting “but utter hokum in the face of reality. Taken to its logical absurdity, such a definition of the “rule” would prevent an army from EVER amassing superior firepower against an enemy, lest that army be accused of a disproportionate use of force! The fact is, wars are won when one side utilizes a disproportionate amount of force to defeat an enemy otherwise, the Third Reich would still sit in power with the Allied armies resting somewhere near the Seine River.
The “rule” is often manipulated in the court of public opinion, particularly in the era of “asymmetrical warfare,” the current buzz-term which describes the conflict between western nations who possess large standing armies and billion-dollar gadgetry and terrorist groups who employ simple, terroristic, and patently illegal means of waging armed conflict.
The world’s (leftist) academic “elite” and media sympathetic to Islamic fundamentalism almost always focus on Israels’ response to terrorism! No doubt, leftist apologists are motivated by some misplaced, misguided sense of “unfairness” that a well-organized, well-trained and well-equipped IDF would pursue and kill Hamas terrorists who intentionally clad themselves in civilian attire and hide their operations in schools, hospitals and Mosques.
The simple fact is that the “rule of proportionality” shrinks to near inapplicability when Hamas uses civilians as shields or when it purposely attacks the innocent ” the central most effective tools in the terrorist’s arsenal.
“Collateral damage”
Another common misstatement in the public discourse surrounds the killing of civilians. Of course, NO one would countenance murder and nothing in this essay should be construed as a brusque dismissal of civilian deaths “but a distinction in the Law of War regarding civilian deaths is frequently and intentionally ignored. The Law of War proscribes the INTENTIONAL targeting of civilians, not the inadvertent and unfortunate loss of civilian life in an armed conflict. Yet, whenever inadvertent civilian deaths DO occur in the Gaza or in the West Bank or in Baghdad, the left immediately and uniformly decries those deaths as “war crimes” which they most certainly are not!
Such is the nature of public debate, particularly in the wake of 9/11.
In short “Israel’s defense forces are entitled to use whatever means is at her disposal to search out and destroy terrorist operatives. Nothing in international law precludes a vigorous, intense and effective military campaign to destroy terrorist operations. That means, Israel may use air and ground-artillery resources –as she will–against those Hamas operatives (I hesitate to use the word “military” since Hamas is NOT a recognized military force.) which are used to inflict casualties upon Israel.
That means Israel may use her army in large or small measure to attack any place or person that attacks Israel. That means Israel can bombard Hamas targets as militarily necessary to render it impotent against a subsequent wave of Israeli soldiers. Although politically preferable, nothing in international law absolutely requires Israel to use “smart” munitions in its operations against Hamas.
If Hamas attempts to shield its operations with truly innocent civilians or children, it is Hamas and not Israel, who has committed an atrocity –an actionable war crime–of the most heinous proportion!.
In sum: Israel is free to employ ALL munitions, tactics, equipment and personnel in her arsenal to defend herself against the outlaw Hamas terrorist organization. Short of the intentional targeting and murder of truly uninvolved and innocent civilians, Israel can (and should) operate as freely as she desires to protect her territorial sovereignty and the lives of her citizens.
So, it is not international law that Israel is concerned about. The Government of Israel is more concerned about the cries of the international community than the cries of its children and mothers. It is more concerned with the lives of Arabs than the lives of its own citizens including its soldiers.
Israel has the right to bomb Gaza and use artillery. Its about time they did.
If Israel invades instead, with the loss of many of its own soldiers, I submit it would be guilty of a war crime against its own people. At a minimum Israel would be guilty of criminal negligence if it sent the IDF soldiers to their deaths rather than to bomb.
It is morally repugnant to sacrifice your own soldiers to save the lives of your enemies. Forget about world opinion.
Hi, Sebastien. I suspect both sides plan to “crash the party” at a time, and in a manner, that is advantageous to them. No invitations, no party favors.
BTW. Now is the time for foreigners to get out of Gaza
@Ted, IDF has been pounding Gaza from the air, sea and with artillery and pounding it. They are making sections of it nothing but pure rubble.
To the environmentalists the rubble is recyclable
Naftali Bennet:
@Seb to stop the rockets you have destroy the infrastructure they will use to transport them plus Hezi’s that are fighting us. Yes you hit what you can in storage facilities.
Israeli’s have been directly by the Hezi’s the fighting is not token but not full out. Israel has had to evacuate all the towns on the border. Hezi’s keep shooting anti-tank missiles at Israeli positions. Also they have breached border with infiltration in one case and tried in a few more.
The aggressor has the advantage. If we attack first massively we will lose far less lives and the war will be over quicker. If we let them choose the time of the war we will be reacting and it will be more expensvies in lives. Think 67 War versus Yom Kippur War as an analogy.
Anyway what to do and when is not up to me or you.
Edgar, the only way to stop the Hezis is too bomb Lebanon. Since it is the only way to minimize an attack from the Hezis, that is what needs to be done. They have a 150,000 missiles, you try to get some in the Silos where stored if it is not already to late for that. You need to keep them being able transport them to wherever they want. You need to knock their fuel stations to keep them from being mobile.
By the way the Israelis have told them this will happen if they get involved in the war. So it is not a crime against humanity but it is preserve the lives of Israelis.
Edgar, so you differ with not only me but every Israeli military person and politician who has written about the subject.
Bear-
Your desire to massively bomb all of Lebanon is the silliest comment I’ve ever heard from an intelligent person.
It could surely be regarded internationally as a Crime against Humanity.
There are many Christian citizens who are not Jew haters, and even if they were, it’s not a crime that warrants being bombed out of existence.
The targets need to be carefully selected and only Hezbollah sites. I’m sure Iraeli intelligence, despite it’s horrendous failure with Hamas, knows exactly where most of them are.
@Michael And Hezbollah has stayed out of it, so far except for allowing Islamic Jihad to fire token salvos which the IDF has returned with no escalation. It would be an elective war, at this point, to attack Hezbollah. Being invaded and attacked in peacetime is an invitation. Pearl Harbor, 9/11, the wars of Arab aggression against Israel are examples of invitations.
Sebastien, you told Bear,
My experience, is that wars, in general, are not “by invitation only”
@Bear Shouldn’t the priority be to stop the rockets?
@Seb, the military is already split into sections and we have lots of planes. You can focus one one part first and then part two.