T. Belman. This article quotes diplomats from EU and elsewhere, Israeli officials and Psaki.
Surprisingly, Psaki said:
“we also fully recognize it is up to the parties involved to bring an end to the conflict. And our objective is, for every statement we make, every action we take, everything we sign onto is going to have that objective in mind. We continue to believe that Israel has the right to defend itself. There have been more than 3,000 rocket attacks from Hamas, and more overnight into Israel. Civilians have lost their lives. Palestinian civilians have also lost their lives. And our goal is to get to the end of this conflict. We’re going to evaluate day-by day with the right approaches.”
Right on. “Up to the parties”
I was less happy, in fact disappointed with what Israeli leaders are saying. Israel appears to be satisfied with punishing Hamas enough to ensure long time quiet. Gone is the rhetoric of eradicating Hamas once and for all. So we are back to kicking the can down the road.
Ganz : “deterred for a long time”
Netanyahu: “to bring the quiet back”
Official “The end goal of the operation is to “degrade Hamas’s will to start this kind of thing again soon.”
The EU official, on the other hand says “The priority is to protect civilians and give full humanitarian access to Gaza.” How noble of them.
He also said that after a ceasefire, there must be a relaunch of engagement aiming at a two-state solution, saying “only a true political solution can bring peace.” Why are they pushing for the two state solution? They should back any solution that achieves peace.
Hungary would not agree to a joint statement so there was none. Thank you Hungary.
Israel is the victim here. Israel alone gets to decide what is in its best interest. Everybody else is interfering for their own political objectives.
How’s this for symmetry. Hamas started it without permission. Israel will finish it without permission.
By LAHAV HARKOV, TOVAH LAZAROFF, OMRI NAHMIAS JPOST MAY 19, 2021 07:18
Israel plans to continue Operation Guardian of the Walls to strike at more high-quality Hamas terror targets, even as the US, EU and others push for a ceasefire, officials said late Tuesday night.
Their comments came as the Biden administration continued to encourage Jerusalem to wind down attacks against Gaza, a source told The Associated Press Tuesday.
Among the targets was Hamas’s Qassam Brigades commander Mohammed Deif, whom IDF sources said that they believe the military has a chance of eliminating if the operation continued.
Military sources said Deif had been targeted more than once during the last week of fighting, but had succeeded at the last moment to get away.
Defense Minister Benny Gantz said in a call with US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin on Tuesday that the operation will continue until Hamas is deterred for the long-term.
“The IDF’s military campaign will continue to the end of achieving long-term quiet,” Gantz said, pointing out to Austin that Hamas continues to fire rockets at civilian populations.
Netanyahu similarly said “we will continue as long as necessary to bring the quiet back to the citizens of Israel. I am sure that all the enemies around us see how costly it is to attack us, and I am sure they will learn the lesson.”
Gantz and Netanyahu’s remarks came as the US continued diplomatic efforts to bring about a ceasefire. The EU Foreign Affairs Council held a meeting on Tuesday, but failed to produce a consensus statement calling for a ceasefire.
A senior official in Jerusalem said that while the IDF has had major successes in striking Hamas, it has many more targets it wants to hit.
“When this ends, we want Hamas to have taken a really serious blow,” the official said, adding that the operation will continue “as long as we think we can inflict more serious punishment on Hamas and degrade their capabilities.”
The end goal of the operation is to “degrade Hamas’s will to start this kind of thing again soon.”
Asked if US pressure for a ceasefire is a consideration on whether to continue, the official said it is, but that “Israel has to reach its own decisions on its own national security with all the different ingredients looked at as a whole. As long as we think that Hamas still needs to receive a few blows, we still have goals, we will continue.”
A source close to the situation told the Associated Press Tuesday that US President Joe Biden and his administration told Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Israeli officials to wind down attacks on Gaza. The official said that Netanyahu and Israel were reminded by the administration that time is not on their side when it comes to international objections, and winding down Gaza strikes is in their best interest.
White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki said on Tuesday in a press gaggle aboard Air Force One that Biden’s objective is “to see an end to the violence on the ground, and to the suffering of the Israeli and the Palestinian people. As I’ve noted in the past, our focus and our strategy here is to work through quiet, intensive diplomacy. He’s been doing this long enough to know that the best way to end an international conflict is typically not to debate it in public… We see it as an ongoing behind the scenes discussion with our partners in Israel, with the Palestinian leader, with leaders in the region about how we can bring an end to the conflict.”
At the same time, Psaki said, “we also fully recognize it is up to the parties involved to bring an end to the conflict. And our objective is, for every statement we make, every action we take, everything we sign onto is going to have that objective in mind. We continue to believe that Israel has the right to defend itself. There have been more than 3,000 rocket attacks from Hamas, and more overnight into Israel. Civilians have lost their lives. Palestinian civilians have also lost their lives. And our goal is to get to the end of this conflict. We’re going to evaluate day-by day with the right approaches.”
US Secretary of State Antony Blinken spoke on Monday and Tuesday with UAE Foreign Minister Abdullah bin Zayed, Bahraini Foreign Minister Abdulatif al-Zayani and Moroccan Foreign Minister Nasser Bourita – countries that normalized ties with Israel last year – as part of American “outreach to halt the conflict in Israel and the West Bank and Gaza” and “to prevent further loss of life,” Blinken tweeted.
The EU held its Foreign Affairs Council meeting via teleconference, with serious divisions over what to include in its statements, which led to the meeting ending without a formal conclusion.
EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs Josep Borrell said Hungary was the only country to oppose an FAC statement, which can only be made by consensus.
The statement would have said the “priority is the immediate cessation of all violence and the implementation of a ceasefire,” Borrell said. “The priority is to protect civilians and give full humanitarian access to Gaza.”
Borrell added that most EU countries say the “high number of civilian casualties… high number of children and women – this is unacceptable.”
In addition, he said: “We condemn the rocket attacks by Hamas and other terrorist groups on Israeli territory. We fully support Israel’s right to [self] defense, but we have also considered and stated it has to be done in a proportionate matter, respecting international humanitarian law.”
He also said that after a ceasefire, there must be a relaunch of engagement aiming at a two-state solution, saying “only a true political solution can bring peace.”
“The status quo is not an option, because violence will come again,” Borrell asserted.
Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto told AFP soon after the council meeting: “I have a general problem with these European statements on Israel… These are usually very much one-sided, and these statements do not help, especially not under current circumstances, when the tension is so high.”
The EU is Israel’s biggest trade partner and a big aid donor to the Palestinians. Some member states – led by Luxembourg, along with Belgium, Ireland, Malta, Finland and others – have called to do more to promote Palestinian statehood, including threatening economic sanctions on Israel.
Other countries, including Germany, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Austria, Greece, Cyprus and Poland have defended Israel’s interests. Austria flew an Israeli flag over the federal chancellery in Vienna on Friday.
France’s presidency on Tuesday called for a resolution at the United Nations Security Council to stop the fighting between Israel and Palestinian militants in Gaza.
“Overall, the 3 countries agreed on 3 simple elements: the shooting must stop, the time has come for a ceasefire, the U.N. Security Council must take up the subject and we have also called for a vote on a resolution on the subject,” the presidency said in a statement after talks between Emmanuel Macron, Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi and Jordan’s King Abdullah.
The statement added that the three countries had also agreed to launch a humanitarian initiative for the civilian population of Gaza in conjunction with the United Nations.
It gave no further details.
Greek Foreign Minister Nikos Dendias landed in Israel on Tuesday, meeting with Foreign Minister Gabi Ashkenazi, as well as Greek Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem Theophilos III and Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Mohammed Shtayyeh.
Dendias said only that he discussed “developments in the region” with Ashkenazi and Shtayyeh, separately.
Gantz spoke with his German counterpart, Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer, and thanked her for Germany’s solidarity with Israel, condemnation of rocket attacks on Israel and support for Israel’s right to defend itself.
Foreign ministers of BRICS countries – Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa – held a teleconference on Monday night to discuss issues in the Middle East, including the war between Israel and Gaza.
“They called on both sides for an immediate end to the violence and strict observance of the norms of international human law,” a statement from the Russian Foreign Ministry read. “We emphasized the importance of an early restart of direct Palestinian-Israeli negotiations with the aim of a comprehensive and long-term solution of all issues of the final status on the basis of a two-state solution.”
The PA, the Organization of Islamic Cooperation and the Arab Group held a news conference in advance of Thursday’s UN General Assembly debate on Gaza that is not expected to include the passage of a resolution.
Palestinian Ambassador Riad Mansour said he expected the UNGA would have high-level attendance and would demonstrate “massive” solidarity with the Palestinians.
The Palestinians need humanitarian assistance and international protection, Mansour said.
He took issue in particular with the United States’ decision to block a Security Council ceasefire statement condemning Israel-Palestinian violence, which spoke of hostilities in Gaza and Jerusalem but failed to mention the barrage of Hamas rockets launched at southern Israel.
“One country did not allow the UNSC” to issue a declaration, Mansour said. “Business as usual can not prevail in our region. To tell us, ‘be quiet, let us fix the Gaza Strip’ – that will not elevate us to what is needed,” Mansour said.
The Palestinians can not “continue to live under this [Israeli] apartheid regime,” Mansour said, adding that “this occupation has to end.”
Algerian Ambassador Sofiane Mimouni, who chairs the Arab Group, said conversations were still ongoing among UNSC members about the issuance of a ceasefire statement.
“We are fully aware of the politics on the UNSC, but we remain hopeful that the UNSC will fulfill its responsibility,” Mimouni said.
Anna Ahronheim and Reuters contributed to this report.
More on the two-state (final) solution #16 [emphasis mine]:
This one is very depressing – they gave away 70% of Judea and Samaria to the Arabs already in 1995 (OSLO II) if the map below is correct (it is from 2005) (Area A and Area B together take up most of the territory adjacent to Israel’s border, the Jewish settlements are almost non-existent and scattered):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_II_Accord#/media/File:Oslo_Areas_and_barrier_projection_2005.png
And, as we know, the Arabs have been allowed to take over Area C as much as they can.
More on the two-state (final) solution #15 (emphasis mine):
[The intent here (see below) is to unite the West Bank and Gaza under the PA “government” so that BOTH the West Bank and Gaza could be described as “Palestinian” state and be united with a strip which will cut Israel IN HALF and enable the terrorists to shoot rockets from INSIDE Israel to both North and South of the country.
Of course there will be “firm guarantees of Israel’s security before that happens”]
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/gaza-reconstruction-must-be-coordinated-with-pa-abbas-to-egypt-669626?utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spotim_recirculation
A NON-two-state solution A MUST READ! IT’S ALMOST FUNNY!
A great comment under the article:
Finally, a great unity slogan!
More on the two-state (final) solution #14 (emphasis mine):
https://www.timesofisrael.com/blinken-israel-took-very-significant-steps-to-avoid-hitting-gaza-civilians/
Isn’t this contradictory – to say the the US is fully committed to Israel’s security while it is also fully committed to a two-stateFINAL solution?
More on the two-state (final) solution #13 (emphasis mine):
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/qatar-says-it-will-contribute-500-million-for-gaza-reconstruction/
More on the two-state (final) solution #12 (emphasis mine):
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-may-26-2021/
More on the two-state (final) solution #11:
Here is the actual open letter to President Biden from his campaign staffers with all the signatures.
It is full of such amazing lies and demands that to quote from it would take too long.
https://matan-aradneeman.medium.com/dear-president-biden-b19600918a67
More on the two-state (final) solution #10 (emphasis mine):
British Foreign Secretary’s visit comes a day after US Secretary of State Blinken holds talks in the region, will meet with Israeli, Palestinian Authority leaders
By AFP and TOI staff Today, 1:14 am [05-26-21]
Rousseau/Pool via AP)
British Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab urged an end to the “cycle of violence” via a two-state solution ahead of post-ceasefire talks Wednesday in Israel and the Palestinian territories.
Raab arrived in Israel late Tuesday for a one-day trip, a day after US Secretary of State Antony Blinken, on his own visit, vowed to rebuild US relations with the Palestinians by reopening a consulate in Jerusalem and giving millions in aid to help reconstruct the Gaza Strip.
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The UK supports a two-state solution as the best way to deliver a lasting peace.”
In Jerusalem on Tuesday, Blinken said Israeli and Palestinian states living side by side was “the only way” forward.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/uks-raab-arrives-in-israel-for-talks-on-boosting-ceasefire-calls-for-2-states/
Correction of the two-state solution #9: A large part of the quote from the article in the middle was accidentally duplicated.
More on the two-state (final) solution #9 [SPEEDING UP!] (emphasis mine):
https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-ramallah-blinken-announces-plans-to-reopen-us-consulate-in-jerusalem/
More on the two-state (final) solution #8 [an opinion by an American journalist] (emphasis mine):
Debate over the Israel-Palestine issue has changed forever, but here’s why the fabled ‘two-state solution’ is no solution at all [don’t get excited yet – his idea is even worse]
Bradley Blankenship
22 May, 2021 13:00
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/524473-israel-palestine-two-state-solution/
Basically, he is saying that:
1) the US Congress expressed disapproval against Israel because there are more minorities in Congress and they feel for the Palestinians;
2) that the two-state solution is a device Israel uses to buy time and increase the settlements [if only!];
3) that the real two-state solution is impossible unless Israel removes all its “illegal” settlements and gives the “Palestinian” land back to them;
4) an alternative to (3) would be a “peaceful democratic” one state “without apartheid” which “apartheid” Israel has been practicing the whole time against the poor, suffering “Palestinians”;
5) Israel is
which commits war crimes.
His conclusion [which is pure deception]:
More on the two-state (final) solution #7 (emphasis mine):
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/306718
More on the two-state (final) solution #6 (emphasis mine):
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/306715
I am keeping track of the 5th point of my scenario on this thread (so I am still on topic):
The instance #4 is actually #5 (I forgot to include Psaki’s statement on the two-state solution) in my count.
@ Reader:
YOU “didn’t say anything”……..Such a luig’n….you have done nothing but spout off like Moby Dick ever since you had the ignominity of Sebastien correcting you.
YOU……who are ALWAYS RIGHT…..were wrong….(and not for the first or fifty first rime)…The weak link in your “srguments” is that we know everything already that you have said. I could look up Shmuel Katz’s book myself…I have it and others by him. I loved his writing.
But what I wrote about Truman, Eddie Jacobson and Weizmann are absolutely correct, actually quoted and confirmed by all three at different times. One also gives the complete history of the Truman-Jacobson buisiness partnership and it’s eventual failure, from beginning to end, including their life-long friendship, and deep insight into their characters and actions under certain circumstances.
I know you’l say you don’t need to “hear all that” but I’m giving an illustration of how deeply I have delved into the whole period and that I know much more about it than what you can get from Wiki or an errant book, written by a single writer who just mentioned the fact but not a single one of the intimate details. You’re quoting Katz…I’m quoting Truman, Weizmann, and Jacobson, along with intimate pertinent surrounding details. You should thank me -instead of the opposite.
So do yourself a favour and GIVE UP….stop trying to exculpate yourself in your effort to show that YOU are ALWAYS. right. The whole nonsense has been built up from the difference between “De Jure” and “De Facto”. THERE….!! I’ve proved it. I don’t know how old you are, maybe you yourself don’t, but I am old enough to have lived through that intense period and had the utmost interest in it. ……..!!
Itso Fatso…!! Fin…..
More on the two-state (final) solution #4 (emphasis mine):
https://www.timesofisrael.com/losing-the-war-the-rising-cost-of-israels-lapsed-support-for-2-state-solution/
The only solution other than a two-state solution is MASS ALIYAH but no one can see the elephant in the room, for some reason, especially not the Jewish Agency.
More on the two-state (final) solution (emphasis mine):
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/china-welcomes-ceasefire-offers-aid-and-covid-vaccines-to-the-palestinians/
More on the two-state (final) solution (emphasis mine):
@ Edgar G.:
These are my posts in order of appearance (the square brackets comment I added now):
Reader
May 20, 2021 at 2:56 am
@ Sebastien Zorn:
The Soviet Union recognized Israel 3 days after the US, the US didn’t lift the embargo anyway.
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Reader
May 20, 2021 at 6:31 am
@ Sebastien Zorn:
You are right.
I was talking about de facto recognition [I meant the American recognition of Israel].
Katz says:
Maybe he wanted to avoid a fight with the State Department? Who knows?
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I took the information for my 1st post from Katz’s book.
In my second post I showed the actual quote from the Katz’s book, from the same page from which I took the information.
I really didn’t need the ponderous explanation on the difference between de facto and de jure but I didn’t say anything.
I think both you and Sebastian are hounding me because I am not a member of your Bibi the Savior of Israel Cult.
I post facts, not fantasies.
Your reaction to my posting the facts is: “Don’t tell me ’cause it HURTS! (YOU IDIOT!!!)”
Well, it’s not MY fault.
AND QUIT INSULTING ME!!!
Ted, history has shown us that the Globalists do not want either Israel or the “Palestinians” to win, nor to have peace. They just want to exercise power over both, and watch them jump when they tell them to. Then, at a time of their choosing, they plan to crush both beneath their jackboot and listen to the bones crunching.
@ Reader:
Is it a crime for a Jewish Statesman to be an Anglophile, especially when he spent so many years there, and was on the best of terms with all the major figures. Also that he was the ONE who got Balfour to write that famous little note, which was the major impetus for the rebirth of the State of Israel.
You should fall on your skinny old knobbly knees and kiss that old sick man’s feet you …you….
He was a Jewish hero.
@ Reader:
I’m not trying to prove anything toyou. You are an incorrigible subject. You believe nothing except what’s been inserted into your stange mind. What I was giving you was a little bit of accurate Jewish history just from the generosity of my heart. I thought you’d appreciate it. It should have been of interest to you, who always has so much to say about nothing, and this was SOMETHING..A guy who even answers rhetorical questions seriously and doesn’t understand what they are…..Yes, I was trying to educate even a mashuggena like you. A nebuchal, a nudnik..
But…suit yourself……… keep your head stuck up your own rear end as usual.
Here’s another little bit of information I’m sure you don’t want. Congress has just passed a bill to make DC into a State.
By the way don’t add to your crimes by telling lies. You never mentioned “de facto” until Sebastien pulled you up and pointed it out. He’s a lot smarter than you.
You’ll deny it of course, your usual mode of action, but I don’t care one jot.
@ Edgar G.:
Look, I can’t understand why you keep trying to prove to me that it was Weitzman.
I wasn’t stating anything other than that Truman recognized Israel de facto unusually early and I offered a possible reason in the form of a question.
I don’t care, let it be Weitzman, although he was a staunch Anglophile.
@ Reader:
Touche…But I recall I read it in a Biography of Weitzmann. It seems that He went to Washing to plead with Truman, and Truman wouldn’t see him. Theythen got in touc with ruman’s former business partner, Eddie Jacobson I think his name was, and he went to trumen saying that here is a poor old man , very sick but who got out of his sickbed to implore you to recognise Israel. Are you going to tun him down. “”
Thruman himself has said that he was moved by Weitzmann and was persuaded by him.
That’s all I now about it. I have the book in storage. I’ve also read about that scene elsewhere at least 2-3 times. My account was paraphrasing but fairly close to the actual wording.
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I just now checked WIki. You can look it up for yourself..”Edward Jacobson” a lifelong friend of Truman who could get into the Oval Office anytime. It was also written in a book called “Israel’s Prime Ministers” by Yehuda Avner, advisor to 6 PMs (including Begin) and a high class official and multi-diplomat.
So THERE…Read it. I just did the work for you. Don’t trip over yourself rushing to thank me….!!
More on the two-state (final) solution [emphasis mine]:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/un-mideast-envoy-welcomes-truce-says-time-to-start-building-palestine/
Live UpdateFrom the Liveblog of Thursday, May 20, 2021
UN Mideast envoy welcomes truce, says time to start ‘building Palestine’
Today, 4:42 am
The top United Nations envoy to Israel and the Palestinian territories is welcoming the cease-fire in the latest war between Israel and the Hamas terror group that rules Gaza.
Tor Wennesland tweets that he extends his “deepest condolences to the victims of the violence & their loved ones.”
He also thanks Egypt and Qatar for their work with the U.N. in brokering the deal that ended 11 days of fighting.
He adds that now “the work of building #Palestine can start.”
AP
@ Reader:
Sorry Reader, but I don’t see it.
@ Edgar G.:
Well, I just quoted directly from Days of Fire.
Complain to the spirit of Samuel Katz.
@ Ted Belman:
Rope a dope was not deception. Ali was taking tremendous punishment on his body and head, and being tall, was forced to lean back over the ropes often. They were a bit slack. (But everything about that fight was slipshod. It was supposed to boost up the monstrous dictator Mobutu.) This did not minimise the heavy punishment. The rope a dope phrase was invented by his speechwriter, poem maker friend, Drew Bundini Brown. Some
The enormous punishment Ali took in that Foreman fight and also the Joe Frazer fights were the cause of his Parkinson’s Syndrome, (not the disease itself but similar) already affecting his brain several years before he stopped fighting. The brain Xrays-which I’ve seen- show that it had already become significantly smaller and with neurological damage from the heavy head blows.
His personal doctor Ferdy Pacheco complained bitterly to all and sundry against the Commissions which allowed him to keep fighting. It was he who showed the Xrays, pointing out the damage.
TED-Since you know about the “rope a dope-” you should watch the 2 hour video of the whole Zaire episode, It’s called “When we were Kings” and is very interesting, showing the tremendous strain Foreman was under being so superstitious as he was. Witch doctors prancing abo, putting spells on him, and wild animals roaring all around them. Foreman was terrified and depressed all the time. Ali had a wonderul time loved by all. Foreman brooded and never smiled the whole 6-8 week they were “imprisoned” there. Ali already won the fight psychologically long before it took place. It made Foreman fight at top pace all the time to punish him, and release his anxiety. Basically he fell down from exhaustion and strain. Ali was not a heavy puncher at all.
@ Reader:
Not quite. The books I’ve read say that he was persuaded by Chaim Weitzmann and immediately overruled his representatives at the UN who were against it. His reason was that intelligence reported that the Soviets intended to be the first to recognise Israel,.and he was determned to beat them out; this was a Cold War tactic.
Just like Sputnik dog, Yuri Gargarin, and the US rushing to be the first to put a man on the moon..etc.
@ Sebastien Zorn:
I SAID YOU WERE RIGHT.
WHY DO YOU HAVE TO KEEP ARGUING?
@ Reader:
Thanks for the answer but my question was rhetorical.
@ Reader:
Difference between De Facto and De Jure & Their Comparisonshttps://byjus.com › … › Difference Between Articles
That being said, as you pointed out, the US just imposed an arms embargo during the war whereas the Soviet Union allowed newly Communist Czechoslovakia to provide some assistance.
Clearly, a rivalry
@ Sebastien Zorn:
You are right.
I was talking about de facto recognition.
Katz says:
Maybe he wanted to avoid a fight with the State Department? Who knows?
@ Reader:
I don’t know if you really know what you mean.. After all, the best answer to you is
“Ven mein Bobba zoll haben eine bord vot zi geveyn mein Zayda”…
@ Reader:
International recognition of Israel – Wikipedia
@ Sebastien Zorn:
The Soviet Union recognized Israel 3 days after the US, the US didn’t lift the embargo anyway.
Prediction: The country is united behind the war effort and it could reasonably go on for a very long time. At a minimum, I think it will continue until Lapid’s mandate expires, the Knesset is unable to field a viable alternative and the time table for the fifth election is set, thus killing two Goliaths (I feel too sorry for birds to kill them even metaphorically) with one stone.
On another note: I just read that Russia signed a joint Agreement with Israel to combat terrorism and crime. I’m not sure in what way, but I am wondering if the timing is coincidental or if it will influence this war in some way, not to mention lawfare in the UN should Biden stop shielding Israel. A deterrent – perhaps in the same way that the Soviet Union recognizing Israel in 1948 may have influenced Truman to follow suit so as not to be left behind?
. bar tender’s translation for AOC’s benefit: “top shelf Hamas terror targets”.
That’s exactly what I meant – yesterday he was folding – see the quotes above the article, and today he is suddenly “resisting Biden’s demands”.
It is because he was told he should play the role of a hero to get popular and Knesset support and destroy the “change bloc”.
I think the scenario has been played out as follows so far:
1) they were going to go full blast for the two-state final solution this summer after failing with the fake 30% sovereignty deal (some noises were made about a conference, the Fatah “elections” were supposed to be held to show it is a real state with a government, etc. – all it needs is a formal recognition);
2) Netanyahu as PM was crucial for the process because:
a) he showed himself to be agreeable to the division of Jerusalem and the “Palestinian” state (I posted his record here previously or you can look it up online, and he was the one who was working on the 30% sovereignty deal for 3 years);
b) he is as or even more compromised as Sharon was before the disengagement, and he has shown willingness to do ANYTHING to get out of this situation (can’t they see that someone like this is a national security risk as a PM?!);
c) if he signs off on the ultimate “peace process (final) solution”, he will be rewarded with a Nobel Peace Prize, and who will prosecute a Nobel Prize winner and “our hero and savior”?
3) something went WRONG:
a) the Fatah elections didn’t happen;
b) Netanyahu failed to form a government, and the mandate went to the “change bloc”, i.e., the people who will not countenance the government WITH Netanyahu as PM;
4) immediately, the usual Ramadan unrest blows out of all proportion, etc , etc., and a week later the “change bloc” seems to be dead in the water, Bennett and, possibly, Sa’ar defect to Netanyahu;
5) noises about the two-state (final) solution as the ONLY solution to bring peace become louder and louder.
@ Edgar G.:
You are quite correct about Katz, Edgar – he was an asset like no other. There was no replacing him. I also like your description of Eban.
What if The White House believed that Israel (or France, or Monaco) DOES NOT have the right to defend itself?
Should any of these countries stop fighting and permit itself to be destroyed and genocided on the US’ say-so?
@ Reader:
You have a good book there. (I also have it and others) Shmuel Katz was a wonderful writer, I could read him forever. Begin was lucky he had a sidekick like Katz, no other PM has had anyone so articulate, trustworthy and a first class mensch. Abba Eban was a great talker/speakerr but got to like the sound of his own voice far too much.
@ Reader:
Well I can tell you naysayers that Netanyahu has answered Biden’s DEMAND for a cease fire with a definite NO. He says that Israel will carry on until their goals are completed… Gott Zu Danken.
What really worries me is that the PM looks as if he hasn’t slept a minute for a week. I hope it’s only that….I’ve never seen him look so ravaged. We need him so badly for an indefinite period, likely for his whoel lifetime.
All the Generals and the Min for Defence Gantz, look rested and fresh. This shows the enormous total responsibility which rests right on Netanyahu’s shoulders, a backbreaking task. And with the Jew-hating Goyishe rworld howling for a cease fire and a Two State Delusion.
I posted here a week ago that this whole thing is a provocation to push through the two-state final solution while Netanyahu is still Prime Minister.
Some from the “change bloc” already defected to him.
Now he is being presented as a hero “resisting” Biden’s push for a cease-fire (he will fold eventually after experiencing “unbearable pressure” and wishing to “preserve peace”).
And then, it will really start happening (I really hope it won’t).
@Ted Belman
First, here is one from Psaki (emphasis mine):
Psaki: We all know 2-state solution is the answer to violence
Repeatedly asked about US’s role in Gaza violence, White House spokesperson said the only answer to ongoing attacks was a 2-state solution.
Tags: Jen Psaki Guardian Of The Walls
Arutz Sheva Staff , May 17 , 2021 10:18 PM
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/306344
As to WHY?
They’ve been pushing for it since at least April of 1948.
NOTHING HAS CHANGED except that we are a different generation.
If you have Samuel Katz’s Days of Fire, open Chapter 26 The Jewish State – it could have been written today.
I have the 1966 edition and I am not crazy about typing in a lot of text to quote from the book although I still may.
The simple answer is – EVERYONE WANTS ISRAEL (AND THE JEWS) TO DISAPPEAR but the “civilized” nations want to create a situation where it looks like an accident, and they will watch it on a wide-screen TV and HYPOCRITICALLY console the poor remaining Joosies (who are not going to stay remaining for long).
Israel is at war with Iran. Hamas is an agent of Iran. These are Iranian bombs.
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@ peloni1986:
What’s more important is that the globalists, including Biden, want to keep Hamas alive rather than the people.
Our one hope is that Israel is practicing the art of deception. Something like rope a dope.
Israel is no longer saying that it wants to eradicate Jordan when in reality, that may be her intention.
@Ted
It is so disappointing and, yet predictable, that we lack the resolve to end this orchestrated routine of accepting the presence of Iran’s murdering, petulant flunky in our midst while the too familiar political double-talk of half measures displaces the more appropriate calls for eliminating Hamas. Israel, I imagine, must be getting something for this acquiescence to this coordinated terrorist attack. Whatever that is, I hope it is worth the value of the future lives that will be lost due to such acquiescence. There is just no other way to assess these statements than to again state, very disappointing.
There’s a good (?) ad going around in Canada, about finishing the job… It has a final shot of a man walking out of his house with no pants on… He didn’t “finish the job” of dressing.
Finishing the job in a professional manner is urgently needed in Israel. I know this is easily said by me, sitting in my living room, but not finishing the job will result in a far higher cost later, once the imperfect job begins to disintegrate.
So the Israelis must finish the job somehow (they know how) before the buffoons of the world interfere…
Once done, they can turn their full attention to the “enemies within” situation and use their creative juices to solve that problem.
Failure to complete either or both of these properly will result in another potential but inevitable debacle, as mentioned above within a relatively short time.
And, somewhat peripherally, it will put diaspora Jews in some danger, because an incomplete job will mean that “somehow there is still hope” and since Israel has the muscle to contend with this kind of situation, we “outsiders” are restricted by inadequate self-defence laws as well as malignant forms of politics.
Jews have to stop wanting to be loved by all, and be satisfied with being feared by all. We do have an ancient history of being warriors, but we have gotten soft on fighting back… and there’s still a trace of this in Israel.