Biden leads Trump 67-30 among Jewish voters, survey finds, What, if anything, has changed in the last two weeks.

T. Belman. This poll is ridiculous. According to it, 88% of Jews say they are pro-Israel yet the put Israel and Iran at the bottom of a list of 16 issues.  Respondents ranked Biden as better on handling a range of issues, including anti-Semitism and the rise of white nationalism, 67-26; the coronavirus pandemic, 66-24; security of the Jewish community, 55-29; and U.S.-Israel relations, 46-32.

Can our fellow Jews be that stupid?

Nonetheless, 88 percent of respondents said they were pro-Israel.

By RON KAMPEAS/JTA OCTOBER 5, 2020

A survey of Jewish voters shows 67 percent plan to vote for Joe Biden in November and 30 percent plan to vote for Donald Trump.

The numbers in the survey released Monday by the Jewish Electorate Institute broke the same way when voters were asked about President Trump’s performance: 67 percent said they disapprove and 30 percent said they approve.

The survey suggested gains for Trump among Jewish voters since 2016, when Hillary Clinton won 71 percent of the vote to Trump’s 24 percent. Mitt Romney, the Republican candidate in 2012, won 30 percent of the Jewish vote, the highest for a Republican since the 1980s

However, support among Trump voters appears to be relatively soft. Just 64 percent of the respondents who said they approve of Trump said they strongly approved, while 92 percent of those who disapproved said they strongly disapproved.

Respondents ranked Biden as better on handling a range of issues, including anti-Semitism and the rise of white nationalism, 67-26; the coronavirus pandemic, 66-24; security of the Jewish community, 55-29; and U.S.-Israel relations, 46-32.
Voters ranked healthcare, the economy and the response to the coronavirus as their most important issues. Lowest ranked out of 19 issues asked about in the poll were Israel, Iran and “Support of a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.”
Nonetheless, 88 percent of respondents said they were pro-Israel. Analysts have long believed that Jewish voters rank Israel low as an electoral issue when they believe both nominees will pursue a pro-Israel policy.

The online survey of 810 voters was carried out Sept. 2-7 by the Garin Hart Yang research group. The Jewish Electorate Institute is nonpartisan, although its leadership is comprised almost entirely of Jews who have been active in Democratic politics.

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  1. @ Sebastien Zorn:

    Again your pretense of innocence… Well, I’ll humour you. So that Arabs could not live on the dates, nor shade under the trees, nor read their “book of verse.. nor guzzle their jugs of “grape juice”.. etc. And as for the loaf of bread,….Gone With The Wind… And their oases would become filled with sand and they suffer a mishe mashunnas …. PLUS…!!

  2. @ Sebastien Zorn:

    Noach… Ziusudra. The “suds” is a nickname based on a part of the name. Therefore the “N.S. (maybe I was thinking, Damon Runyon just then)

    You over-deduced about Sudan and Saudia. Even with your undoubted talents, of which, speaking seriously, as you know, I have great respect for.

  3. @ Edgar G.:
    Oh, silly me. I know. You are crediting me with the apparently imminent normalization with Sudan and S audi Arabia. Well, I just don’t know what to say. I’m blushing, here.

  4. @ Michael S:
    If you did that, then your ecstatic mumblings must have been infiltrated with a strong infusion of Judaism. REAL Judaism, not the ancient myths about a Noach, derived from the Babylonian tale of Utnapishtim.

  5. @ Ted Belman
    when Jews have no attachment to Torah, they attach themsleves to the lowest common denominator/paganism. Liberalism/now Marxism is the new religion for them. It’s always been this way thlriughout history. Why do you think Haredi Jews support Trump in large numbers? QED

  6. @ Sebastien Zorn:

    It’s 2 35 a/m and here I am laughing my head off… Bravo.

    What about the Rabbi and Catholic priest who travelled together in a train carriage. When the Rabbi reached his destination he got up, then made the sign of a cross. The priest, in amazement excitedly.. asked..Rabbi, are you really a Christian…at last.. The Rabbi said …”Vat, vat” ?? Priest.. “I saw you making the sign of a cross”..Rabbi..”Nahh, I vas making shure I got everyting I came vith …spectacles, testicles, vallet anf vatch…??

    I heard that when I was down in Cork for the first time, away from home, about 15 from my newly met cousin, a truly very religious fellow, when we were on our way to do some fishing. Took me really by surprise… Have never mentioned it since…until now.

  7. @ Michael S:
    Your comment reminded me of this old joke: “

    There’s an old joke about a rabbi who prostrates himself in the synagogue during the High Holy Days, crying, “Oh, Lord, before you I am nothing!” The cantor likewise prostrates himself and cries, “Oh, Lord, before you I am nothing!” The janito

    r, watching from the back of the synagogue, gets caught up in the fervor of the moment and joins in. “Oh, Lord,” he cries, “before you I am nothing!” The rabbi, taking note of this, nudges the cantor and whispers, “Look who thinks he’s nothing!”

  8. @ Sebastien Zorn:
    “Does seem to be hardwired into the human condition, apparently.”

    BINGO! Yes, you are right there, right on the money!

    It’s because of this, that talking about the subject is like walking through a minefield: everyone has at least part of themselves personally invested in the matter; we’re all “wired”, as it were, and woe to the one who presses the wrong button!

    Take this for what it’s worth. My wife’s in the other room, taking part in a teaching about Noah (it’s the current parasha, I believe). One participant noted that the apostle Peter (Yes, it’s a Christian Messianic group) called Noah a “preacher of righteousness”. The group leader noted that “righteousness” meant “right relationship” with God. Of course, Noah had such a relationship; and I believe that Jeremiah elsewhere lists Noah as one of three righteous ones: Noah, Job and Daniel.

    I started looking up “righteousness” — which, in Hebrew, is something like ts’dekah A related word is tsadikh, which means a “righteous one”. I’m sure you had something of that order on your mind, when you talked about people being “sanctimonious”

    The hangup of those “sanctimonious” people (which, of course, describes us all to some degree), is that they think they are somehow “set apart” (“sanctified”) to God. This is what Rabbi Hillel and his family were considered to be; and it is what “Luther fans”, antisemites, do-goody Jews, and “devout” ones of every religion consider themselves to be. They all believe they have a “right relationship” with whomever or whatever they consider or tacitly worship as their god/ God to be — for whatever reason: They have studied a lot, or they have a big following, or they rub shoulders with the “great ones”, or they “try harder”, they’re better looking, snappier dressers, etc. In an extreme case, they are called first, “God-men”, then finally “God Himself”. It’s a slippery slope.

  9. @ Sebastien Zorn:
    Sebastien, you seem to be full of bitterness. That’s no skin off my nose; but it isn’t doing you any good.

    Concerning Rabbi Hillel, so little is know about him that I have room to judge him charitably.

  10. @ Michael S:
    Yeah, well you can spin this stuff any way you like and everbody does and has because everybody wants to have their cake and eat it too, doing as they like while feeling traditional. Not just Jews. That’s how today’s woke Democrats can claim JFK and Martin Luther King with a straight face.

  11. @ Sebastien Zorn:

    “the truth is a landlslide for Trump, barring fraud.”

    This is how I see it as well, judging by the sizes of the rallies:

    Trump rallies — thousands of enthusiastic supporters, at multiple rallies every day

    Biden rallies — usually fewer than a dozen unenthusiastic supporters, seldom even one rally per day

    The poll manufacturers must think Americans are universally stupid.

    BTW, I never respond to polls, and I think this is common among conservative voters.

  12. The whole idea that we should believe women who made allegations of sexual harassment or assault against men came from the, at-one-time-reasonable, presumption that the stigma they would have to endure, coming forward, made it unlikely that they would lie. Today, as was seen with Kavanaugh’s accuser, they are rewarded, unless of course they are accusing Democrats, so it no longer makes sense. Today, however, the stigma of supporting Trump is so menacing that many if not most Trump supporters are lying about it, even to pollsters. I read that they are more truthful when it’s a push-button poll than when it is with humans, but I think it reasonable to assume that there is no way of measuring this, accurately. I think that if the polls of likely voters who are saying they will vote for Trump are saying that is so close, that the truth is a landlslide for Trump, barring fraud.

  13. Race Real Close

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    Biden lead over Trump drops to 2+ points
    Oct 21, 2020 @ 17:01

    Less than two weeks before the US presidential election, the latest IBD/TIPP poll shows the Democrats’ Joe Biden national edge falling to 2.3 points – 48.1pc compared with 45.8pc for Donald Trump. Since Oct. 13, Biden’s lead has shrunk by 8.6 points. But Trump is still losing more of his 2016 voters than his Democratic challenger. The narrowing of Biden’s lead is registered in several other polls.

  14. According Rasmussen the race is tight and then trend has been towards Trump but he is still behind and also behind a bit in some of must win Swing States.

    White House Watch
    Biden’s Lead Down to Three

    Wednesday, October 21, 2020

    With less than two weeks to go until Election Day, it’s a three-point race.

    Democrat Joe Biden now leads President Trump 49% to 46% among Likely U.S. Voters, according to Rasmussen Reports’ weekly White House Watch survey. The latest national telephone and online survey finds that two percent (2%) still prefer some other candidate, while another two percent (2%) remain undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

    Two weeks ago, Biden had a 12-point lead. A week ago, he was ahead by eight. This is the first time in a month that Biden’s support has fallen below 50%.

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    Trump earns 82% support among Republicans. Biden has 79% of the Democrat vote and leads by seven among voters not affiliated with either major party. The Democrat had a double-digit lead among unaffiliateds for the two weeks prior to this.
    What They Told Us: October 14, 2020
    Remaining Time -0:44

    White House Watch is updated at noon Eastern every Wednesday.

    (Want a free daily e-mail update? If it’s in the news, it’s in our polls). Rasmussen Reports updates are also available on Twitter or Facebook.

    The survey of 2,500 Likely Voters was conducted October 14-15 and 18-20, 2020 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 2 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology.

    https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2020/white_house_watch_oct21

  15. @ Sebastien Zorn:
    Sebastien,
    I was encouraged by what you wrote about Rabbi Hillel, etc. The Rabbi gave some good advice, which has benefitted millions of Jews throughout the generations; and even today, I believe his life and words are reaching out and benefitting generation after generation — including those wayward Jews who have been supporting Joe Biden. He, among millions of others, encouragers like him, have helped his brethren through the ages to endure as a people, as a nation, as the family of Abraham. In the spirit, you are all “sons of Hillel”, brothers and sisters with those who have encouraged one another — Jews of all stations of life from Hillel to RAMBAM, to Baal Shem Tov to the six million largely “nameless” Jews who endured the Holocaust. You have all lived and died individual lives; but you all shared one spirit: you are indeed the “Body of Hillel”.

    I say these things, as one who is part of another such “body”, a body also of millions, who have uplifted and sustained one another through the millennia. We do not live for ourselves; we all owe debts to those of our spiritual ancestors who have gone before us — and to one another.

    Indeed, “If I am only for myself, what am I, and if not now, when?” Jews throughout the world, today more than ever, need to stand up as a body and stand with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and with those who put their trust in their God. HIS word is a tree of life, and we are His branches.

    Am Yisrael chai! We will win this one.

  16. I just had this amusing exchange on Facebook:

    Other person:
    I will never understand why majority of American Jews continue to vote for somebody else who is no friend of Jews in general and Israel in particular.
    · Reply · 23h
    Me:
    I think it’s because everybody is always quoting Rabbi Hillel: If I am not for myself, who will be for me, If I am only for myself, what am I, and if not now, when?
    Have you ever noticed, nobody ever remembers the first thing you say?
    Almost nobody ever gets this one when asked verbally.
    You’re driving a bus down Fifth Avenue. The bus has 10 people. You drive 6 blocks south and 4 people get off. Then you drive 9 blocks west and 5 people get on. Then, you make a u-turn and drive 8 blocks north and 3 people get on. What’s the name of the driver?
    And the ones who are in such a hurry to solve the impasse with the “Palestinians” when time is actually on Israel’s side as long as she doesn’t give up any territory? That’s because of the last one.
    I bet Hillel would be surprised at how much damage he did with a harmless feel-good platitude.?

  17. So, Jewish liberals are just like the rest of the center/left, except they try to say that it’s the Jewish thing to do, much like Jewish Communists were trained to do in the Soviet Union for a time in the 20s and 30s. They really can’t think straight. And this is born out by both elections in which the polls were correct and something like 80 percent of Jews voted for Obama despite the evidence that he was anti-Israel even the first time. I had debates with even Orthodox Jews, believe it or not, over Obama’s flooding the country with Syrian “refugees” who were telling me that it was the Jewish thing to do, to lobby for expanding the rules to allow in hordes of unreconstructed from the most violently antisemitic region in the world! And they said it was a dishonor to Anne Frank of all people who was barred from coming in under existing rules by the antisemitic administration of their hero, FDR, not to allow in millions of antisemites after those of us who made it in in the administration of their antisemitic hero, FDR. They really can’t think straight. They’re nuts.

  18. According to it, 88% of Jews say they are pro-Israel yet the put Israel and Iran at the bottom of a list of 16 issues

    Yes, this is that has been said even to my face. I’m guessing Roe v Wade is the top issue, maybe the only issue. That and hating Trump. I have yet to hear anybody actually say anything about Biden. Oh, wait. I asked the Pakistani news stand proprietor on the corner why he supported Biden and he said: “He’s a good man.” When I asked him why he thought so, he didn’t really know what to say. So, it’s really down to “He’s a good man.” and “Orange man bad.” More edudite liberals will fume about something they think Trump and said and what they think it means. Or, one time, one furiously said that he didn’t invite any Democrats to his inauguration and only invited big donors.” As if he really cares, if he thought about it.

  19. Historically, we Jews are not the brightest folks when it comes to protecting ourselves collectively, as a people. During the Holocaust many Jewish community leaders worked to persuade their fellow Jews to move to the ghettoes designated for them by the Nazis, where they were starved to death or died of disease, and even to board the trains that were supposed to be taking them to “the east.” In the middle Ages, some raabbis in France asked the French church leaders to ban the writings of Moses Maimonides and “heretical.” The FRench church happily complied, but also decided to burn all copies of the Talmud as “heretical” as well. Only a handful of copies survived the burning of hundreds of Talmud manuscripts in th epublic square near Notre Dame.

  20. @ stevenlross@gmail.com:

    Trump is doing his best to put Israel in a defensible position, even if he does lose. That is obvious.
    However, I am with Ted. Trump will win.
    The American Jews who are voting for the Omar, Tlaib, and Harris democrat party are the ones who are frightened of being outed as ‘racist’, ‘white privileged xenophobe’. They are worried about getting rejected and frankly fired from their jobs. That is in fact what the penalty is in California.
    No intelligent American Jewish male feels comfortable on the street in any sanctuary city today. So, the motive is self-preservation.
    Unfortunately for those of us who are never democrats, The American Jewish Community will be blamed for a Harris win.

  21. @ svbeachhouse:

    One of them, who holds a graduate degree and prefers to travel to Turkey rather than Israel (oh she has sooo many good friends in Turkey, just so sad cannot visit again this year, all Trump’s fault) and was a university librarian for over thirty years when after being exposed to Jihad Watch articles, a recent Caroline Glick article, JCPA and ZOA and then she suggested deferring to Thomas Friedman. Her statement was that The Palestinians were being ignored, that she had a problem with that.
    I think that is more like treason, IMO, rather than simply ‘foolishness’.
    She is married to a lifelong observant Jew and she e mails him a link to join a podcast for a Thomas Friedman interview and sends gift books written by Irishman who writes fictional story to Jewish friends highlighting ‘moral equivalency’ between The IDF and Hamas as a reply to being sent a Caroline Glick article.

  22. I received this email.

    Alas, I think the polls are correct about U.S. Jews in the coming election. The Reform and Conservative Movement rabbinical schools have for 50 years been infiltrated, slowly, but surely, but the same strategic operatives who have infiltrated all the opinion-making professions’ academic departments and professional organizations, going fr beyond journalism, law, education, political sciences, social sciences…

    These days the orthodox union and young israel’s “young turks” have likewise been sucked into reciting the politically correct mantras. Will the Jews of Florida even be allowed to know about the smoking pistol evidence about the Biden Extortion Family? Unlikely. Many have already voted, in any case. An entire set of women I’ve know for 40 years hate Trump. I was in a social group with them that agreed not to talk politics, but they could not contain themselves this year and particularly on the day of the Floyd funeral. One, an affluent women living in San Francisco and originally from Minneapolis was gushing about how “right” Al Sharpton spoke at the funeral and how all Americans should follow his “call for unity.” (Clearly she doesn’t know his history). Another, who grew up in Chicago and was a special ed teacher, shared that she donates to Black Lives Matters, another said she was praying for a ‘blue wave” in the voting. Another, a lifetime extreme armchair Leftist, who grew up in the Bay Area. Another, who was a “progressive method” school teacher, who grew up in Iowa and splits her time between San Diego and Portland said I was making things up when I shared with the group that school kids and even preschoolers were being taught and being read books indoctrinating the lesson that they might want to choose the other gender.

    Our people’s indoctrination matches and surpasses the national norm – and, it seems, always has. I was first asked by another librarian with whom I was working back in the early 1980s – he a Mormon – why Jews voted Democrat, when it would seem to not be in their interest. I myself, still a registered Democrat, explained about our caring for the underdog, etc, etc.

    My epiphany started close to decade later as a result of what I witnessed nd experienced firsthand and saw being contrived and carried out by a Marxist cadre within the American Library Association and within the San Diego County Community College District, where I taught Latin in the evenings and within the San Diego County Library, where I was a principal librarian (one of my hats for several years was “affirmative action coordinator.” .

    The big wave of Eastern European immigrants had a huge number who were acculturated by the Daily Forvitz, founded in the 1897 and edited by Abraham Cahan, I think until his death in 1951 (see the Wiki bio). As you know, the Reform Movement, founded in Germany in the mid 19th century, like Cahan, consciously abandoned traditional Jewish learning and practice (and until 1997, 1998, or 1999 (too lazy to check this minute), never officially stated that aliah was a fine alternative choice for Jews).

  23. If this poll is true, my fellow Jews are complete and total fools – their MSM “fake news” sources have brainwashed the otherwise well educated. Truly astonishing to me.