By Ted Belman
Today Netanyahu said:
“The purpose of the future agreement with the Palestinians is to prevent the eventuality of a binational state and to guarantee stability and security.”
Not a word about Judea and Samaria belonging to Jews.
Not a word about an undivided Jerusalem, the capital of Israel.
Not a word denying the right of return.
Not a word about refusing to uproot settlers.
Only the far left worries about becoming a bi-national state. Now Bibi has joined their ranks
@ Canadian Otter:
The Platform and 8 point Action plan have been in place for almost ten years and in keeping with my designed chracteriztion as us being the JEWISH OVERGROUND… :))), we circulated the material to interested people some of whom I am sure have copied them to the “boys in the roof”.
No secrets. We promote the dismantling of the present government system and through true free elections have the people decide which system format would replace the cesspool in place.
The present “combina” system would not be allowed to be one of the options.
No past or present State officials may present themselves as candidates for the new system.
They can always “re elect” themselves via combinas as they have done all along. Otherwise they can try to bribe some more and attempt to stop the avalanche, or they could run away, and on that they have ample practice.
We have the standard “T” shirts with the name of RFI amd the new flag proposed.
NOTE: The news is that the IDF is bombing both Syria and Hezbollah. I find it hard to believe than enither of the or Iran have done a thing to defend themselves or to attack us.
Rodent stink is overwhelming.
@ SHmuel HaLevi:
You may have to take lessons from countries under tyranny on how to get around government censorship. It all sounds as if the government is truly afraid of nationalists – which in a way is a good sign. It means that nationalists have a real potential for replacing the ruling elite. It would be interesting to read about the program, as long as it can be disclosed at this time. Please keep up posted of new developments, and never give up.
@ Canadian Otter:
We continue to agree.
Our groups has developed specific plans to consolidate an alternative working system of government. As a start there is nothing to look for by pusuing” the “from within” dance routines.
Mr. Feiglin is a classic. There are many others.
The 8 point Plan is complemented by a Platform including practical time lines, budgets, etc.
RADIO FREE ISRAEL would be the voice for the people. I used to operate the RFI Internet Site but it was destroyed so many times, I decided it was not worth it to keep being a punch bag.
There is not a single free running Program, let alone station, in the State controlled media that will provide such platform, not ever.
RFI’s status information is avaliable.
A free voice hitting the airwaves is in my view the first act, the rest is of no consequence without it.
yamit82 Said:
Sounds like most men I know,in fact sounds like myself. Really sounds like CB.yamit82 Said:
Looking for an Abbashaw!!!!!!!!!Sugar.
@ SHmuel HaLevi:
Dear SHmuel, you say that my plan is missing real activities (for the re-empowerment of the people). I’m not a political person, and only an Israeli would know how to adapt the message for each specific group. I can only suggest watching the masters, the Israeli anti-Zionists. ~~~ They have operated with long- and short-term strategies. Among the long-term ones was the takeover of the media and the school curriculum, indoctrinating several generations of Jews already.~~~ Anti-Zionist short-term strategies include the latest in US theories of persuasion. They say “peace”, not “partition”. They humanize Arab Nazis but they still use the fear of a Muslim majority against annexation. They invoke Jews’ highest principles to induce them to commit suicide. ~~~ I’m not saying Zionists should stoop to such levels of manipulation, but anti-Z tactics need to be studied before they are counteracted with the right type of deprogramming. ~~~ And that’s only the first step into formulating the grand strategy to wake up and mobilize people. Also, focus should be on the young. They are more idealistic and have less invested in political parties or the Two States idea. And rebellion against old ideas comes to them easily.
CuriousAmerican Said:
No you fool he was addressing CO and made an error. If you followed the thread and comments it would be obvious to anyone with an ounce of intelligence and a min of integrity. That’s how you christians read and interpenetrate our scriptures. You ignore the obvious and it’s context and inject what you want to hear.
You posted this comment several times do you keep it handy for the right moment?
CuriousAmerican Said:
I did enjoy it as a matter of fact I was looking over the crowd to see if there was any good looking broads.
I always enjoy stupid people making fools of themselves like dancing on tables talking in tongues (gibberish) and phony faith healing with snakes and other magical totems or amulets it’s no different than Indian Shamans and witch doctors, just designed for mass effect. Mostly you are just taking out of the right pocket the Catholic Church into the left packet anti-church christians. Jesus He Knows Me
Are you complimenting me?
The two state solution is dead.
Before the 500,000 settlers are ever evacuated, they would roam in free range price tag attacks that would kill tens of thousands. Some are nutty.
Do not kid yourself. Baruch Goldstien shot up a mosque over perceived threats in Hebron and was called a Tsaddik by some.
Eden Natan Zada supposedly shot up a bus over Gush Katif.
There were some Jews who shot up Palestinians in Gaza over Gush Katif. Google it.
If there ever is a large scale evacuation in J&S, a lot of unstable settlers will flip and – I hate to say it – will roam the West Bank like vengeful Einsatzgruppen.
There will be NO evacuation of the Settler colonies.
No Palestinian leader can accept anything less.
The two state solution is dead.
For what it would cost to remove the settlers, you could give every Palestinian $100,000. A family of five would get $500,000. Enough to buy a beach house in Chile, with enough left over to get a car, and a business, and have enough left over for a rainy day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5ykDS90nzQ A house like that goes for around $100,000 US.
Iquique is already 15% Arab-Chilean. Climate is tropical.
Chile is first world.
Within one generation these people would assimilate.
Chile is also 99% Christian with a large Evangelical Christian revival going on. They would convert over time.
http://iquique.olx.cl/3057-uf-proximamente-amplia-casa-en-condominio-iquique-iid-506987178
About $140,000 US
$500 Chilean (Peso -$) = 1 Dollar US
do not let the same sign confuse you.
http://iquique.olx.cl/vendo-casa-40-millones-6-x-18-iid-506293504
4 Bedroom house, 2 bathrooms $80,000 US
http://iquique.olx.cl/departamento-vigias-del-mar-4833-sector-sur-iquique-iid-503251669
2 Bedrooms – 1 bath – $100,000 US
Iquique is a beach resort town.
http://iquique.olx.cl/departamento-3-dormitorios-y-2-banos-en-iquique-iid-502762787
3 Bedrooms – 2 Baths – walking distance to the beach. $90,000
A family of five could buy a house and have $400,000 left over to start a new life.
This is doable.
Prices in Argentina are cheaper, but they tend to be condos.
http://www.enbuenosaires.com/venta/valentin-gomez-once-318476.html
$97,000 US – 3 bed – 2 bath (Condo)
http://www.enbuenosaires.com/venta/leipzig-monte-castro-294599.html
$135,000 US 3 bed 2 baths, just needs a coat of paint and some work
It would be cheaper to move the Arabs than the Jews.
Just disperse the Arabs all over South America, and not all in one province, and you would have them assimilate.
THIS WILL CONVERT THEM – YOU WILL ENJOY THIS YAMIT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdpmhnUww4M
Yamit and CA have been correctly assessing the conditions that must be addressed.
Missing is a CA plan and that including real activities. Those plans are available.
Just to add a bit more to the huge pile of evidence about the true enemies of the people, moments ago I read on #7 that the GoI’s valiant, dedicated paramilitary assaulted and utterly destroyed…. the memorial to Boronsky, the recently murdered Jew. Murdered by a GoI released before time islamic beast. There tens of thousands of paramilitary murderers ready to do far more than that against Jews. Netanyahu will build? NUTS… Only destroy to get to his Nobel.
Radio Free Israel is available to relay all material leading to organizing for the inevitable frontal clash with, well, those people…
054-2055629
To Yamit – Re Fukushima – I follow ENENEWS daily. There are so many nuclear industry threats with potential for catastrophe, that is hard to understand the USA skewed priorities. ~~~ The Daily Beast reports that the US lost track of Syria’s chemical weapons (did they ever have a clue?). ~~~ Another thing, there are increasing reports of superviruses emerging everywhere. The UK Independent reports that China deliberately created a new mutant flu virus and western scientists say they’re outraged, although they themselves are working on the same thing. It appears as if after cyber-warfare, and weather warfare, the next level will be bio-warfare. But a Palestinian state remains at the top of the US agenda.
To Yamit – Regarding the referendum as a tool to lull Israelis to sleep, preventing them from actively opposing partition, I strongly agree, and I said so on my talkback number 8. ~~~ However, any talk of achieving anything through elections reminds me of Lucy holding the ball for Charlie Brown, yet one more time. ~~~ Politicians are liars. Elections would just delay the inevitable. And there’s no leader with courage and vision capable of replacing Bibi. Being so far from the situation it’s quite likely I’m wrong and you’re right. But I stand by my belief that results will only come from a strong popular movement with a good strategy to force those in charge – whoever they are – to listen to the people.
@ Canadian Otter:
Unless referendums of peace with the Arabs and Land transfers both in Y&S and Israel is embedded in Israels Basic Law ( same as constitution) where a super majority is required to change or annul the Law I don’t trust BB to go through with it or accept it if it goes against him.
Sharon pulled such a stunt within the Likud, lost then ignored the results and did what he damned pleased.
Agreeing to referendum will lull any right wing activists to sleep believing they can stop the government. That keeps anti 2 staters in the coalition and quite till the boom is lowered on them. Making election mandatory before agreements approved means every politician has skin in the game and has something important to them to lose. If they lose the referendum they will at worst invoke the democracy argument and continue either way. I want every elected representative to declare their position before the election and then let the people choose.
Elections are a referendum if the referendum subject is #1 on the agenda. The half million Jews living in Y&S all have close relatives and friends living in Israel proper. Many I am sure will side with the settlers over the issue.
If BB was confident he could pull it off he would jump at new elections instead of referendum, The likud could pick up many more mandates lost?
I say knowing he must face elections it would temper his positions and even harden them knowing he faces defeat at the polls.
Fukushima: Is worst yet to come?
Leaking nuclear reactor held in place by duct tape in California hardly makes the news, but state authorities are already confiscating guns from private citizens. See Breibart for gun info. ~~~ The leaking pipes at San Onofre nuclear plant in California are being held together by duct tape and plastic bags. This is not a joke. There are pictures. San Onofre is now closed but there are plans to reopen it. And that’s not the only US nuclear plant in trouble in the US. Read more: http://enenews.com/category/location/u-s-canada
@ Canadian Otter:
Very well thought concepts CO. Both ELECTIONS and not referendum and dispersed leadership. Brilliant.
Yamit: The V-22 is one of the biggest white elephants ever and so is the F-35. I would give you details of the terrible development performance records, fraud packed testing, unreliable item. Our Division rejected an approach by Bell-Boeing to take part on the Project.
ZAPPED – My six-line reply to Yamit, no links, censored by Spam Filter.
@ yamit82:
Elections are even more subject to manipulation, as extraneous issues can sway public opinion. All the left needs to do is to get people riled up about something else, and they will vote accordingly. And then comes the parties’ compromising to form a coalition. ~~~ And party’s own internal elections are full of machinations by the party bosses. ~~~ So you end up with at least three layers of opportunity to betray the electorate: the party level, national elections, and the assembling of a coalition. ~~~ A simple referendum with a clearly worded question would be best. Why complicate things more than they already are? ~~~ Decades of party politics have failed to produce one single honest and reliable party capable of running the country to the benefit of Jews instead of the Arabs. ~~~ Also, it is not the party or the person in power that matters, it’s the people’s commitment to actively push for an agenda that produces results. The left does it very well, but the nationalists are still trying to get their act together.
Canadian Otter:
BB would prefer a referendum over elections. So I say ELECTIONS, even a law making elections Mandatory on such national issues.
Forget referendums which can be manipulated by the government. Make national elections mandatory making proposed agreements and Land concessions the major items on the agenda. Then I can envision a possible realignment of our political parties along more rational and ideological lines. It would place parties to the right of BB to positions of stand and be counted. It would put so called right wing Likud MK’s in positions, forcing them to choose.
It would give more power to the central committee of the Likud in selecting the next party list. A referendum will not endanger any of the existing parties or their MK’s, Elections might.
@ SHmuel HaLevi:
No time to wait for the right leader. People will just have to improvise and do everything they can to stop the elite from carrying out their evil plans. In some ways, it is better without an influential leader. Even the best intentioned leaders can be persuaded or intimidated by those in power into deceiving the public. People just need clear goals and an uncluttered agenda: No to Two States, No to partitioning the country, No to automatic citizenship for Arabs.
Beware of Greeks giving gifts.
Israelis Slam US-Hyped Arms Package
Hagel Offer May Trigger Extended Debate
http://www.defensenews.com/article/20130429/DEFREG02/304290018/Israelis-Slam-US-Hyped-Arms-Package
This deal appears to be a way for America to dispose some White elephants and then using the deal to justify massive sales to Israels Arab enemies.
The political benefit is they can claim at home to be staunch supporters of a strong Israel.
Watch out for the knife hidden behind Americas back as Obama watches our back.
@ Bert:
It could happen if Iran is allowed to get there and also Netanyahu tries to be Sharon. He is not.
The truth is that people is tired of him and never trusted him. Yet QUALITY new leaders must come forth.
Will it happen? It is not visible in my crystal ball… Sorry.
@ SHmuel HaLevi:
Exactly right. But can this happen in time and before another disaster for Israel?
Latest news: Bibi says that yes, he will grant you the privilege of a referendum on land concessions. How nice of him. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/167657 ~~~ What he does not say is that the question will probably be on which areas to give away, not on whether to surrender any land at all. “Israelis, do you want to give them this area, or that one?” ~~~ That’s not what Bibi says now, but that’s the way politicians operate. They are promising a referendum now with the objective of calming down the population. They don’t want you to organize and protest. People will tell themselves that they will have a choice to reject the agreement so they’ll do nothing until it’s too late. What Israelis don’t know is that the decision to surrender land for a Nazi Arab state has already been made, and what they will be consulted on will be the details, not the issue itself. ~~~ Make it clear with the prime minister NOW, not later. Demand the proper wording, a real choice, paper ballots (not computerized voting), and effective supervision at the polls everywhere, especially in Arab towns. And demand a parallel referendum in the PA asking whether a state will be the last of their demands. Of course it wouldn’t be.
Ted: – you seem surprised?!
Mr. Netanyahu and those with him are mortal enemies not leaders. Even now they are about to support perhaps the Begin… (phew), give away of the Negev to Bedouins.
He will abandon Jerusalem, Y & S, Har HaBait, the Negev…. And will not do a thing about Iran either.
The whole strata must be removed from power or we will be finished while he collects his Nobel.
Robert_K Said:
FIFY
Bibi is more afraid of the Leftist Elite than he is of a FatahLand-Hamastan. He rejected bills that would restrict the power of Israeli Supreme Court to undermine Knesset legislation in the last Knesset. We can only say that the real demographic threat to the Left is the National-Religious (possibly Haredi, if they can get out of the European Shtetl mentality) birthrate. The Left in the meantime is trying to sell Israel’s patrimony for a stew of lentils from the EU, as quickly as possible, before any possible Israeli Spring. The question is can Israel hold out until Israeli elites like Shimon Peres, Bibi and company go the way of all flesh?
“Now”?
“NOW”?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
/told ya so
And a DUH! question.
Bibi just admitted that the conflict is over Israel’s existence, not land.
“The conflict, he said, is over Israel’s very existence. In proof, he pointed to the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza in 2005, which included the forced removal of thousands of Jewish residents of the area. Israel got rocket attacks in exchange, he said.” http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/167627
So why are he and his cohorts busy preparing for an additional surrender of land to Arab Nazis? They recently said that Israel would be happy to swap territory with them. As if they had any legitimate claim to any Jewish land at all.
When reading columns and talkbacks I often get the impression that Israelis regard their ruling elite as something remote, beyond reach for either questioning or understanding – and quite beyond their control. ~~~ Politicians utter the most offensive notions and Israelis seem to pay no attention. Things that should spark outrage are just brushed off. ~~~ Aside from Bibi’s own statements, there were those words by Avigdor Lieberman just the other day rejecting the idea of a referendum because Israelis are – in his view – not capable of deciding on such heavy matters as their own borders – an idea that is likely shared by most everyone in government. ~~~ These are your public servants, not divine royalty who can decide on a whim when to uproot your communities and how much of your land to give away to your enemies. ~~~ This dysfunctional relationship between the elected, the appointed and the self-selected (Supreme Court) on one side, and the governed on the other is what may be at the root of your predicament.