Economy Minister Naftali Bennett criticized Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Thursday for failing to provide what he perceives as an adequate response to the simmering violence in Jerusalem – “more construction and an iron fist.”
In an interview with Army Radio on Thursday, Bennett said the government’s leniency invited Wednesday’s “vehicular terrorist attack” in which a Palestinian resident of east Jerusalem rammed his car into a light rail station packed with commuters, resulting in the death of a three-month-old infant girl and the injuring of nearly a dozen others.
“We need to understand that the attack is a direct consequence of the endless rock-throwing and firebombing against the residents, the light rail, and Jewish homes [in the capital],” the Bayit Yehudi chairman said. “Over 200 of these incidents took place in recent months, and they went without an appropriate response.”
Bennett told Army Radio that more housing for Jews in the predominantly Arab eastern half of the city as well as a more forceful response from police and security services is the formula for neutralizing the unrest.
“It’s quite acceptable to think that what motivates our enemies is despair,” he said. “On the contrary, they are driven by the hope and aspiration to evict us from here. And they think that if they commit more terrorist atrocities then we will throw our hands up in despair and flee.”
“What we need to do is to say, ‘We are staying here, we’re building in our capital,’ and I call on the prime minister to expedite the approval of construction permits,” Bennett said. “Without sovereignty, there can be no security. There’s no need to wait for a terrorist attack in order to put down the iron fist, and we have the means to do so.”
The minister repeated his contention that Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas “is a bitter enemy who incites to murder and the murder of babies.”
“He didn’t condemn the attack, and I assume that the family of the terrorist will receive generous incentives,” Bennett said.
In the wake of the attack, Netanyahu accused Abbas of encouraging violence against Jews in Jerusalem.
“This is how Abbas’s partners in government [Hamas] act. This is the same Abbas who, only a few days ago, incited toward a terrorist attack in Jerusalem,” he said.
Netanyahu ordered that security forces in Jerusalem be reinforced following the attack, consulting with Public Security Minister Yitzhak Aharonovitch, Israel Police Insp.-Gen. Yohanan Danino and Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) director Yoram Cohen.
@ honeybee:
I ain’t no Turk I shoot em. Not wise to let them get too close.
honeybee Said:
Talk is cheap, I’ll volunteer to be your experimental guinea pig.
@ yamit82:
Thanks for the warning, now I won’t ever stand or sit anywhere near you.
bernard ross Said:
Most men never forget when I kissed them. It is the highpoint of their lives.
@ yamit82:
No, actually it is Ovadya Shoher who “tells us” that. You can find the whole discussion (part of it sensible, part of it nonsensical), word for word, on his website, “Samson Blinded.”
There was NO “other wife.” Zipporah was a midianite originally from the land south of Egypt. Cush was another name for Nubia, Ethiopia, etc, depending on what king & dynasty ruled it at any given time.
Not to mention, other bloggers.
He didn’t give the command just because the existing inhabitants were hostile, but also because
A. they were degenerate and it was His will to destroy them; and
B. the generation of Hebrew tribes to whom the explicit command was given were themselves the children of a slave people not yet accustomed to thinking for themselves & living freely in the midst of the enormous temptations posed by the foul practices indulged by those neighboring peoples.
What’s more, the command was explicitly directed only against those
“Seven Nations” — though the Seven Nations were not the only existing inhabitants. There was no comparable directive, e.g., against the PHILISTINES, and they were no day at the beach. . . .
There is no evidence in scripture that the specific command to exterminate or expel the Seven Nations was ever intended against any other peoples, nor to be carried out by any generation than those which encountered them after the return from Egypt & the desert.
honeybee Said:
Well that’s two of us. I know some who might disagree but I don’t intend to accommodate them.
My office in Tel Aviv had two terrorist attacks within 100 ft. One was a cafe where a bomb went off 10 min after I left. The other was a Bus.
During the Gulf war a scud missile hit the building next to the one where I had my office. It was a dud but hit the roof and proceeded to burrow a path through the top 4 floors. It could have been a whole lot worse. 🙁
honeybee Said:
Yup they used to go out at night and slit the troats of the enemy or decapitate them. Their tradition dictated that one a knife was unsheathed it could not be returned without the enemies blood on it.
honeybee Said:
I dont remember a thing about it
yamit82 Said:
I Thank the Almighty you are still with us.
@ yamit82:
The friend told us the Turks were head hunters.>
@ honeybee:
Yes it was a battle face to face and I mean face to face I got hit by grenade five of the guys near me were killed.
I have 9 lives I think 5 have been used up.
@ honeybee:
The N. Koreans and Chinese were scared out their gourds of the Turks no one else.
@ mar55:
The torah tells us that:
The last thing Moses was commanded to do before retiring from this world was to exterminate the Midianites. Hebrew relations with the Midians were uneasy: Moses took a wife from among them and recorded Jewish laws on the advice of his father-in-law, a pagan priest. The Jewish attitude toward the Midian wife, Zipporah, was negative: Moses had to send her away before embarking on the Exodus mission. Likewise, Moses’ family rejected his other wife, a Nubian. His children by Zipporah did not inherit his authority and do not figure prominently in the Tanakhic chronicles. Even converted gentile women were not good enough for Jewish leaders.
The transgression was Jewish, so why kill the Midians? Here lies a concept of immense importance for modern Israel: G-d doesn’t expect Jews to be perfect. Other nations are exterminated for their transgressions, but not Jews. The Torah is explicit that the Canaanites lost their land because of their transgressions, but Jews would return there after having been dispersed. The Exile has ended and Israel reestablished not because of Jews’ merits—we don’t merit that much—but only because G-d has a purpose for Jews. We’re his instrument, experimental mice if you wish. He realizes his divine plans through us. Whatever happens to our enemies is not for our sake, but for his. Israel is not an accident, but a part of the divine plan laid out in prophecies.
Back to the expedition against the Midians. Not a single Jew was killed in the expedition, but among the prisoners were 32,000 virgins. Evidently, the Midians were a large and peaceful nation exterminated by the Jews on G-d’s order. As if the genocide was not enough, Moses lashed out against the Jews: “How dare you to leave all women alive?… Now kill all the male children, and every woman who knew a husband.”
Still, the Torah calls Moses “the humblest man.” Could a humble man preside over genocide? The answer is a definite yes. Moses’ humility was his entire submission to divine will. A tremendous erosion of the concept took place afterward: Jewish humility came to mean submission to people, even down to enemies and oppressors. Whatever his own views, Moses entirely accepted G-d’s definition of morality. Divine decrees set the standard of morality, and anything G-d told him to do was moral by definition. Even genocide was moral when perpetrated on divine orders.
Modern Jews should not shrink from the explicit commandment to cleanse the land G-d gave us of its hostile inhabitants.
@ mar55:
The torah tells us that:
The last thing Moses was commanded to do before retiring from this world was to exterminate the Midianites. Hebrew relations with the Midians were uneasy: Moses took a wife from among them and recorded Jewish laws on the advice of his father-in-law, a pagan priest. The Jewish attitude toward the Midian wife, Zipporah, was negative: Moses had to send her away before embarking on the Exodus mission. Likewise, Moses’ family rejected his other wife, a Nubian. His children by Zipporah did not inherit his authority and do not figure prominently in the Tanakhic chronicles. Even converted gentile women were not good enough for Jewish leaders.
There was a continuous intermingling between Jews and Midians. Some Midians lived among Jews and were so intimate that Moses refused to let them go, lest they reveal significant military information to enemies. Many Jewish men had relations with Midian women, prompting Pinchas to assassinate one of them along with his Midian wife. Pinchas’ action, the murder of a nice interfaith family, earned him eternal blessing from G-d himself.
The genocide of the Midians is traditionally thought to be Moses’ last earthly assignment, though “you would join your peoples” can be taken literally as a permission to leave the Israelites. Whatever the case, why were the Midians singled out for prosecution? By this time, Jews had plenty of violent enemies, and the Midians were friendly to the point of readiness to intermingle. It is this intermingling that the Jews were commanded to avenge. Not surprisingly, the genocide was made Moses’ business: he had started interfaith relations with Midians by marrying Zipporah, and he had to expiate his sin by killing his unsuspecting relatives. The sin of interfaith marriage was great: when Moses did not abandon his pagan wife immediately after hearing G-d speaking from the burning bush, G-d sought to kill him in desert, and savvy Zipporah averted divine wrath by circumcising their child.
Hebrews, a deeply polygamous society, inherently lacked enough Jewish wives and therefore often intermarried. Like Moses, many Hebrews had married Midianites. The solution was found in genocide: once all other Midianites were exterminated, those who had married Jews automatically became rootless and honestly embraced Jewishness as their only possible identity.
The transgression was Jewish, so why kill the Midians? Here lies a concept of immense importance for modern Israel: G-d doesn’t expect Jews to be perfect. Other nations are exterminated for their transgressions, but not Jews. The Torah is explicit that the Canaanites lost their land because of their transgressions, but Jews would return there after having been dispersed. The Exile has ended and Israel reestablished not because of Jews’ merits—we don’t merit that much—but only because G-d has a purpose for Jews. We’re his instrument, experimental mice if you wish. He realizes his divine plans through us. Whatever happens to our enemies is not for our sake, but for his. On that, I believe, Satmar is wrong: even ruled by crooks and socialists, Israel is not an accident, but a part of the divine plan laid out in prophecies.
Back to the expedition against the Midians. It was so important that even Levites joined it. The participation of Levites indicates that the affair was a slam-dunk one—Hebrews did not normally risk their priests. The fighting was lopsided: the Jews numbered more than 600,000 males, but thought it enough to send just a 12,000-strong mob against the Midians. Not a single Jew was killed in the expedition, but among the prisoners were 32,000 virgins. Evidently, the Midians were a large and peaceful nation exterminated by the Jews on G-d’s order. As if the genocide was not enough, Moses lashed out against the Jews: “How dare you to leave all women alive?… Now kill all the male children, and every woman who knew a husband.”
Still, the Torah calls Moses “the humblest man.” Could a humble man preside over genocide? The answer is a definite yes. Moses’ humility was his entire submission to divine will. A tremendous erosion of the concept took place afterward: Jewish humility came to mean submission to people, even down to enemies and oppressors. Whatever his own views, Moses entirely accepted God’s definition of morality. Divine decrees set the standard of morality, and anything G-d told him to do was moral by definition. Even genocide was moral when perpetrated on divine orders.
Modern Jews should not shrink from the explicit commandment to cleanse the land G-d gave us of its hostile inhabitants.
Here we go again…
A quote with a link and in moderation….
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/10/memo-from-us-consulate-refers-to-jerusalem-jihad-terror-attack-that-murdered-baby-girl-as-traffic-incident
No comment.
I have to let the BP meds to take effect…
🙁
@ bernard ross:
No.
Remember children of terrorists grow up to be terrorists.
yamit82 Said:
No German, Japanese or Fords. My road cad is a 1996 Cadillac, diamond white with gold stripping, with a motor like a jet plane. Cherry interior. I use to drive that thing like there was no tomorrow. >
@ bernard ross:
REALLY. we had a battle ,but we kissed and made up.
honeybee Said:
You sound hostile but I did not send you a hostile post, perhaps you mixed me up with someone else?
yamit82 Said:
Is that when injured your leg so badly???
yamit82 Said:
I have a friend, a Korean vet, who told tales of Turkish soldiers.
bernard ross Said:
You posted a long heated reply [as only you can do Yankee boy] and sent you the following in rebuttal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLnTWxpTQt4
Steven Plaut
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If I had a Mercedes for every Israeli Arab leader who condemned the Nazi-like murder of the infant in Jerusalem yesterday by the Islamofascist terrorist, then I would still be driving a Mazda. If I had a Mercedes for every “Palestinian” who publicly condemned the Nazi-like murder of the infant in Jerusalem yesterday by the Islamofascist terrorist, then I would still be driving a Mazda.
Remember all those Israeli leftists who issued heart-rending screams when a mentally-ill Jew who thought he was the messiah burned to death a Palestinian minor? Well, if I had a Mercedes for every one of those screamers who now condemned the Nazi-like murder of the infant in Jerusalem yesterday by the Islamofascist terrorist, then I would still be driving a Mazda.
@ yamit82:
Israel should state that policy:not one life to save an enemy life; before sending in the soldiers the entire population will have to unconditionally surrender or be obliterated. Now that is a rational proportionate response.
@ yamit82:
Basically the leaders of Jews have become the murderers of Jewish children because they repeatedly choose to sacrifice Jewish lives to save enemy lives. Tell it to a parent, not one!!!
yamit82 Said:
Things become clearer in this light, this is the choice THEY gave you from the beginning and the saving of one gaza childs or civilian life at the expense of ONE soldier is unacceptable for me. All the price of the war must be paid by ALL of them. Before one soldier sets foot into Gaza it should be carpet bombed until they capitulate or are obliterated. The soldiers should be sent in only to mop up the remnants of the jew killers and their children.
Which parent in the IDF is willing to sacrifice their child so that a gazan may live? Did anyone ask them? Those foreigners and Jews who expect jews to die so that enemy children can live should themselves be DEAD!!!!! Not one!!!!
bernard ross Said:
No.
yamit82 Said:
If I were the parent of one of those sons or daughters and were given the choice my choice would be that it was better that everyone in their country were dead instead of my son. This is how I want my PM to think, and such a PM would never be misunderstood or misinterpreted by the international swindlers. The “country” may believe that my son is expendable for the “greater” good but when that “greater good” has to do with satisfying the foreigners or preserving enemy lives I choose for every last one of them to be DEAD!!!!!!! Those in charge of nations do not care about my child, they are into the “bigger picture”, I am not them.
I believe that the Israeli lives could have been saved in Protective edge if massive carpet bombing was willing to be undertaken and if that bombing was understood prior to be mandatory for any terror event. It would be unacceptable to tell me that my sons death saved gaza civilian lives.
yamit82 Said:
how about this one:
Would you sacrifice your child so that ALL gazas children could live?
bernard ross Said:
There were some reports but that was after the first week and it was done so the Americans and Russians would notice. That seems to have worked inso far as Nixon overroad Kissinger and ordered an airlift which arrived to late to be decisive we were already by that time in Egypt and the 3rd army cut off and surrounded.
One can speculate whether Golda would have actually ordered a strike but even if she had it didn’t save the sacrifices we incurred… Anyone who underwent that war is not anxious for a repeat. I lost a lot of friends in that war and spent two months in Hosp and rehab…..3000 dead and over 10,000 wounded is for a small country like Israel a very heave price.
@ honeybee:
Thanks, but I dont remember the “heated” discussion. Must be that alzheimers.. 🙂
I have a tendency to personalize issues in that I imagine being the parent. In protective edge I imagined being the parent of children killed by rockets and running to shelters. with that imagination I had no sense of apology only a bloodthirsty desire to see them all dead or at least suffering. Posters everywhere sought Jewish guilt for the dead children whereas I saw it as ironic justice, that those seeking to kill the children of jews saw their own dead children instead. I would write that if you did not want dead children then be sure not to fire ONE rocket at mine. I wrote that even if your rocket missed I would still seek to kill ALL their children. That they were lucky that Israel was run by moral Jews and not me. I believe that Israel should be merciless in response to any attacks on even ONE civilian. right now I do not beleive that the Gazans have suffered enough for seeking dead Jewish children. My view is that they should live in fear of constant reprisal. If I ran Israel there would be covert groups disconnected from the gov that would be bringing a reign of terror to gaza and the west bank, and then I would deny any connection to them. Goose and Gander. They would NEVER be able to depend on me being a good Jew. this would continue until every shred of anti semitism was purged from their books and their souls.
yamit82 Said:
If it were an organized destabilization,like arab spring, I would expect it to focus internally on the ethnic kurds, azeris(25%) and sunni baluchis while at the same time bringing in foreign Jihadis and kurds. It is not about winning but about causing chaos and then attacking during the chaos. The raison d’etre of using ISIS in order to get approvals to introduce bombers over syria and iraq has led to an interesting situation where many countries can operate aircraft and navies in the area without having to return to their countries or UN for approval.
yamit82 Said:
I thought I had read that at some point golda had the missile launchers prepared for launch in a manner that Washington and the Soviets would note their intentions and that was why Washington sent the airlift.
bernard ross Said:
Problem is the Iranian opposition is little different than the current regime and they began the nuclear chase and development. They may be domestically slightly more liberal than the current one but their goals and animus towards Israel is little different that the one now in power. Most Iranians favor the Nuke project so we can’t look for that as a panacea. Ethnic unrest is a remote possibility because Iran controls everything as in any police state and they will crush such rebellion.
If I were Israel I would quietly advise the europeans and the Americans that if Iran is about to weaponize their Nukes Israel will destroy and render useless all the oil and gas fields of Iran and Qatar. Ecological danger aside that will destroy the worlds economies….. Without oil revenue Iran would be hard pressed to continue with the nuke project and if they do and the people are starving the regime wouldn’t last long….
Put the onus in real terms on America and Europe to stop Iran.
Money always talks loudest as well as any threat to it.
Would Israel and especially BB do such a thing???? Naw!!!
Israel had nukes at the beginning of the Yom Kippur war. The Syrians were about to breakthrough our thin line of defense and the road was open to tel Aviv to the Egyptians.
Dayan was ready to surrender and hand the Keys to Israel over to Egypt He was beaten, Instead of Nuking the Egyptians and saving 10,000 casualties and many more wounded he and Golda allowed the enemy to attack first and to call too late up our reserves….. The fighting guts of our guys saved their asses and the country
Since then nobody fears our Nukes because nobody believe we would ever use them which negates their value and deterrence.
That war was the only time after it ended where the people rose up and threw the criminals who were responsible for that debacle out on their collective asses and they have never recovered since….
Fear of America by Golda almost lost us our country and so many unnecessary casualties.
Israel it seems never learns the lessons of their own mistakes but keep on repeating them.
I can’t rationally explain irrationality.
@ bernard ross:
I owe you an apology. We hade a heated discussion over the treatment of a Grandchild of a Hamas leader . After the death of Little Chaya, I now agree with you.
yamit82 Said:
would Israel be able to know if Iran walked suitcase nukes into Lebanon,Syria, or sinai and then deliver from there? If so it would mean they can have a second strike capability waiting in cells outside Iran.
yamit82 Said:
Yes, that is the bottom line, unless Israel can destroy their nukes and depend on them not looking for more trouble and restricting their potential damage like saddam. Actually the best approach may be a mix of internal destabilization, sanctions and multi national attacks with buster bunkers. dont know???
@ bernard ross:
You pose a serious moral dilemma for me and I can’t answer it…. Now, obviously you are correct but ….. still a hard call for us.
@ bernard ross:
I don’t know whether Israel knows whether Iran already has some nukes purchased fro N Korea or on the FSR’s. They have the Rockets to reach Israel. It could be the major reason Israel has not attacked Iran. Fact is due mostly to GWBush Israel has missed her window of opportunity unless we hit first with nukes first attacking their offensive rocket and missile installations which can only be taken out by tactical nukes. Unless their Offensive missiles and ICBM’s are in civilian areas there is little danger to major civilian populations.
Even if Iran has or gets Nukes they would need at least twenty to insure one or more get to Israel, The Arrow system is their problem because if the system works none my get through and Israel would wipe Iran off the map without them succeeding. They could fire salvos most being dummies with some armed with nukes that would be a challenge for the Arrow system. A crap shoot too dangerous to chance unless and until a first test is detected of Iranian nukes.
Bottom line stupid BB waited too long and bowed to American pressure.
yamit82 Said:
that is always the case whatever you do, they will kill you for very little.
according to sam the Iranians already had nuclear weapons back at the time of the interview. I assume you would be willing to use the nukes on Iran now and be willing to kill millions of innocent civilians and children.
yamit82 Said:
yeh, thats a nice thought but…..the arabs say that Israeli babies grow up to join the IDF…. what they say is true more often than not. Moreso, it is true of their children training in Jew killing summer camp. Perhaps it is a mercy killing
yamit82 Said:
and you are willing to use nukes to pre-emptively achieve that goal, knowing that children MUST die with the adults….therefore it is pre meditated and intentional. The only Justification you use is that the death of the children will ensure the death of the adults. Its a rationalization which is only intellectually meaningful but in practice you know you will intentionally kill children.
yamit82 Said:
If you nuke a collective you must have intended to kill children. It can always be avoided, you can turn the other cheek, just say no.
@ bernard ross:
First children are not responsible for their parents behavior , thinking, culture and religious beliefs.
2ndly in ME cultures martyrdom and revenge is the result.
If you want to kill adults who are trying to and killing us I am for wiping them off the map but not to specifically target children and babies, If it can’t be avoided and they become collateral damage that’s another thing altogether.
It goes to intent.
We have and could use the ultimate weapon and only fear prevents us.
WATCH THIS FIRST!!!!!!
Sam Cohen speaks about Israel
http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=56&load=3647
More on same theme. Israel has this weapon!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_QFXGxw6Tk
@ yamit82:
I also do not agree with treating haniyehs or any other hamas leaders child. when an Israeli hospital treats the child of someone who celebrates the murder of Israeli babies it is a form of false vanity. the Jews want to show the world how moral they are and how good they are, showing the former masters that the Jews deserve redemption. the more the Jews behave thusly the more they are defamed and abused. How good is it when we know that time and resources are limited and that the treatment of that baby will take away from a Jew. This vanity is made clear by haniyehs reaction of praising the slayer of Jewish babies, it renders the vanity as superficial and absurd. Jews once more living in the eyes of others.
yamit82 Said:
I don’t want to see it either, not dead anyone….but
It appears to me that until their mothers, many of them, are crying and screaming in pain and suffering for their dead children they will continue to kill Jewish babies like flotsam and jetsam. The world cries for their babies in protective edge but their dead babies and their dead civilians are a necessity to end the worlds double standards against the Jews. If it was my baby I would want to kill ALL of their babies……..ALL of their children cannot be worth even one of mine from my station point of perspective. It’s not pretty but that’s how I feel. For the same reason I would not want to send my child to fight in an army that did not employ every means to kill the enemy with no holds barred in order to prevent MY child from being killed in the war. I know it’s not a nice sentiment, but I don’t care. I have already written this on many defamers sites after they spoke of Israel killing babies in protective edge, I wrote that if they fired ONE rocket at my child I would seek to kill all their children. I still feel the same and I believe it is important for the arabs and the euros to internalize that perspective. When you call for using nukes and forgetting conventional weapons you are basically calling for the same result.
bernard ross Said:
I don’t want to see any dead babies not ours and not theirs. Adults are another matter.
When I served in Korea we were under UN command and we had a Turkish battalion not far from our base. At the Time Korea was a very very poor country. Around our camp they had built a fence and stacked concertina wire around it. We had a problem of Korean thieves (slicky boys) sneaking into camp and stealing everything not tied down. When we caught them the MP’s turned them over to the ROK police . The Turks had a single wire to to delineate the parameters of their base and had no slicky boy problems because they caught one took a rifle cleaning rod and stuck it through his head from ear to ear, then hung his body on the nearby korean village Gate. When a Catholic priest came to them to complain they severed his head from his body and left the head up….
The Turks are brutal but they didn’t have a slicky boy problem.
The Americans did.
bernard ross Said:
Could be, but there is a difference, most of his base and party will not put up with a BB clone on settlements and National interests. Time will tell his real persona will yet emerge.
He is as or smarter than BB and has money he created a software company and sold it for $ 400 million dollars and at his age he is placing himself for national leadership by not taking what the public or media might construe to be too extremist positions. If you have national ambitions you havve to attract a large segment of the secular community here and this he is doing…. Been watching him maneuver and he is really smart. Whether he will succeed or fall flat? It can go either way.
shouldn’t there be a lots of dead gazan babies to pay for these crimes? Perhaps haniyeh should ask BB to save more of his spawn in Israeli hospitals?
was this declaration made to avoid bombing and killing hamas, who I believe was responsible?
did Bennett call for building in E1, the same E1 that BB used to get elected and then it disappeared from view? where is Bennetts call for E1? Is Bennett just another BS artist in waiting, scrounging for credits but doing nothing?
Bennett is on the right track. Build, iron fist against terrorists. Deport any convicted terrorists to Gaza. Start annexing all Area C blocks and Towns. Start with E1.
As I have said before, I want to hear the motto coming from the people, “Build,baby, Build!”
They’re empty promises – which Netanyahu has no intention of keeping.
When asked later why they haven’t been kept, he will come out with a variety of excuses.
None of which will bring Chaya Ziessel Braun back.