Prime Minister Naftali Bennett urges Israelis to get inoculated as the number of serious patients nears 100. “The rate in which the number of serious patients is growing is significant, similar to the rate of increase in new cases,” Health Ministry chief says.
Maytal Yasur Beit-Or , Ran Reznik , Mati Tuchfeld and Israel Hayom Staff 07-25-2021 13:54<
Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett delivers a statement on the coronavirus situation, in Jerusalem, July 14, 2021 | Photo: AP/Maya Alleruzzo
Prime Minister Naftali Bennett on Sunday urged Israelis to get vaccinated against the coronavirus, as Health Ministry officials expressed concern over the growing number of COVID-19 patients in serious condition.
Israel has recorded 859,875 coronavirus cases since the onset of the global pandemic in March 2020, including 6,459 deaths.
Some 966 Israelis tested positive for the virus on Saturday, and according to the Health Ministry, 97 patients were in serious condition – 30% more than a week earlier.
“The rate in which the number of serious patients is growing is significant, similar to the rate of increase in new cases,” Health Ministry chief Professor Nachman Ash told 103 FM Radio, on Sunday.
“It is true that the overall percentage of patients is lower but we are close to 100 patients and it is starting to worry us,” he said.
Asked whether the Health Ministry has set a “red line” for a number of patients that would require more drastic government measures Ash said, “When we reach several hundreds of patients, say around 400, it will be very worrisome and will definitely represent a red line requiring further steps. I very much hope we won’t get there.”
Speaking at the beginning of Sunday’s cabinet meeting, Bennett touched on the issue protests that took place to over the weekend following remarks he made last week, castigating Israelis who have not been vaccinated for “endangering all of us.”
“The President of the United States Joe Biden recently addressed the phenomenon of non-vaccination, and I quote: ‘Millions of Americans are still unvaccinated and unprotected. And because of that, their communities are at risk, their friends are at risk, the people they care about are at risk.‘ My statements on Thursday to the public made waves, but the truth must be told: more than a million citizens who can be vaccinated – we have not been vaccinated yet. In doing so, they endanger the health and livelihoods of all Israeli citizens,” Bennett stated.
“The scientific facts are clear: those who get vaccinated are less sick. Those who get vaccinated are less contagious. Not getting vaccinated endangers you and endangers your loved ones, especially the elderly.”
Urging Israelis to get the jab, the prime minister said, “I call on everyone, especially young men and women, and students ahead of the school year – get vaccinated. I saw the demonstrations outside my home on Friday. It is legitimate of course, but the demonstrations will not beat the Delta [varient], vaccination will.”
Health Ministry, some 5.7 million Israelis have received at least one shot of the coronavirus vaccine.
Over the weekend, Channel 12 News aired a study suggesting that 80% of vaccinated individuals who recently contracted COVID-19 have not infected others in public places such as concerts, restaurants, gyms or event halls.
Another 10% spread the virus to one other person at these venues, and 3% infected two or three others.
Also over the weekend, senior healthcare officials called on the Health Ministry to immediately administer a third shot to all Israelis over the age of 60 and those who are immunocompromised, as well as to all healthcare providers.
The move, currently debated by the government, is seen as controversial, as no country has pursued it at this time, mostly over the fact that the FDA has not deemed it necessary.
Officials pushing the move say that that there is no need to wait for FDA approval, saying that in the few hundred cases worldwide where a third shot – or second booster short – has been administrated, no significant side effects have been observed.
@Michael
Yes, Dr. Hoffe has been stating this for about a month. This is a very uncomplicated picture of reality as there are fluctuating blood pressures and inflammatory T-cell attacking the rough patch, as well as other things, including the use of infected dendritic cells and infected macrophages to exploit their ability to go anywhere, not just in the blood system.
Dr. Hoffe’s statements on PAH are concerning, but they are not yet proven accurate. Even though this is all likely easy to prove, the D-dimer test does not prove this is what is happening. Covid disease and Spike disease(meaning the vaccine adverse reactions) are each unfamiliar territory, so there might be something else going on, as well. If we could not better gauge things, I would say he is right and that would be that. But the pulmonary hypertention(PAH) is routinely diagnosed. Only Dr. Hoffe has taken it upon himself to overstate what is known with just the D-dimer test result. Don’t misunderstand, the D-dimer is very serious and its elevation is associated with very poor outcomes, but not due to PAH. D-dimer does not prove PAH. PAH can be diagnosed with an echocardiogram of the heart. Its easy, its quick, but it is not cheap, or not so cheap as a simple(but very interesting) blood test such as D-dimer.
Dr. Hoffe should be pursuing his research as he has stated his results are too small to share and he is still collecting data. I accept that he means well, but this is a very alarming claim for him to deduce with just a blood test. His patients could be having difficulty breathing due to the roll of dime blood cells you shared(I think it was you) photos of last week. He needs to prove his hypothesis, as of yet it is a lot of thought that may be validated but is not yet so.
A few more things on PAH. If this is really PAH and the echocardiogram shows an elevated blood pressure in the pulmonary artery, it will be the 3rd form of PAH. There are 2 forms already existing and neither of them are associated with this capillary occlusions of blood clots. This is good news, to a point. PAH is very lethal, as Dr. Hoffe mentioned. This new cause of PAH may actually cause new capillaries to grow, I know, it sounds like something out of a comic book, but capillary beds do grow when needed over time. This is the cause of one of the other forms of PAH, so, perhaps it will not be all roses, but it is something to consider for the future research, if they ever find funding for something beyond cutting edge vaccines. The process is called angiogenisis. They have been attempting to stimulate this in the heart for about 15yrs now, but they have been unsuccessful to my knowledge, in any case. The other point of possibilities is that capillaries can surround blood clots with a capsule and eject them, over time. So, some things to think about. Still, Dr. Hoffe should test those patients and treat them if they indeed have PAH. Til then, his words are just an unproven hypothesis.
There will be no
The long term effects of the vax is not known. It could be blood clots everywhere as some are suggesting or it could be something much less harmful, or it may be nothing. There are implications that the spike production will continue for some prolonged period of time, but the free spike in the blood that is causing additional harm around the body will generate an enormous immune response and the spike should be clear within a couple to three weeks, a month at the most(this is really too long, it is likely 2-3 wks at most). This does not mean that there will be no further consequences necessarily as the spikes may have seeded many tissues by this time. The consequence of these seedings will have their effect as has been described recently. And those tissues that are involved with the spike production will continue to create the spikes, but they will not last in the blood long. It is believed that they are readily cleared by antibodies resulting from the vaccine(don’t laugh). The spike production will continue to affect the closely surrounding tissues, though and this has been noted as the greatest concern. Meanwhile, the use of the medications that have been described recently can be used as a prophylaxis to help prevent problems with the vaccines. In the future, if the theory of the blood clots is true, we can treat blood clots. It is slow and requires continuous treatment for months sometimes, but with careful monitoring such things will be cared for, I would not mislead you with false hope. Whatever comes, we will pursue treatments that will be helpful if not curative.
It is a very terrifying thing to have had the shot or worse, a loved one, but, this will be a treatable situation. Such fears are best kept in your pocket til it might be used for better motivations. One possible motivation might be to familiarize yourself to a greater understanding of the world of medicine to some level as it seems it will likely be relevant for some time(just a thought). There is more and more being discovered and revealed from ongoing investigations every day. It would be good if the govts who began this disaster could step in and accept an appropriate role as these projects are now all privately funded and the costs are quite overwhelming. So if anyone could pursue peaceful support of such advocacies to each of our govts, even a little of such federal funding could be significant. Meanwhile, the focus should be upon the employment of early treatment. With early treatment we live quite successfully. Without it is a path towards a difficult hospital stay with poor outcomes.
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There is a consequence of such successes, however, when Pharma and WHO hold the authority that they do, well, everywhere. The week after IVM crushed the outbreak in India, their version of the FDA stated that IVM should no longer be used. Well, the evidence was everywhere and everyone knew this was a political response to the WHO, so I am told that few are adhering to the changed protocols. Which is good, because a similar thing occurred in Peru, and, under pressure, they did stop using IVM and they have the worst record of any country in the world because of this policy change and they still hold that title to this day. These decisions by the govt have a consequence that can not be undone, and once set in place, well, it is hard to stop a train that is off the tracks.
There is one more point about the early treatment. There is no harm. Its not a chemotherapy drug which is going to poison you to save you, these drugs are all well established drugs that are used everywhere in the world with little concern of safety for years – HCQ 75yrs(longer really) and IVM 40yrs. So if they don’t work, there is no harm, and there is too much data to support their use to ignore, even by those who do. So, hope this helps explain things somewhat. There really is a great deal that can be achieved quite quickly, it would appear from the Indian example, if we would just treat the people who become sick as if they were sick, and not as if they were a leper who should be sent home to become a much more sick and, as a consequence, a source of infection for everyone they meet or contact – my personal bias, but I find it as well reasoned. Let me know if anything is not clear.
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There are actually no countries that would not be susceptible to the influence of Pharma, they hold too much power and influence now, especially as they can manipulate things with their vaccine availability. Still there are those countries that have ignored the demands, for a time, and have employed these drugs and India is the poster-child that most will look to demonstrate this point. However, the data collection in India has recently been questioned(It should be noted that if the US cannot maintain a clean record on their adverse reactions, nations such as India will likely not prove to perform better). What is known about India is that it should have been like New York or New Jersey, ie it should have been very very bad – actually it should have been much worse as India’s healthcare is marginal and their living conditions are, well, not a Manhattan apartment, shall we say. There data is a pittance of the data found in NY and NJ, but beyond the data, there is no way India could hide such an ongoing massive plague as should have been found there. India has been extremely aggressive towards not just treatment of their healthcare officials, but of their entire public.
Recently things became quite bleak, and there was fear that after a year, the conditions in New York would finally be seen in India. The called on Israel, Australia(I think), and the US for input as to what to do. They had been using HCQ since last year and it seemed to be performing not as well, not terrible, but the cases were mounting exponentially towards terrible. So, they began to use IVM with HCQ and they used prophylaxis. It worked really really well. They crushed the outbreak, but they also showed that IVM was effective in a vast field trial. Some states in India, Tamil(I think), did not use the IVM and the outbreak tripled there as in other areas where IVM was employed dropped like a rock. Now, when I say they dropped like a rock, you have to see the graph. Everywhere in the world, after an exponential spike took place, the cases dropped slowly, over months and just slightly on a week by week basis. In India the drop was exactly the reverse image of the rise – it was incredible, to everyone even those who advocated the vaccines.
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@eddavis317
There are 220 studies on hydroxychloroquine(HCQ) and at least 60 on ivermectin(IVM). The distinctions in the outcomes of the studies are largely due to the timing of adminisration of the drug or the structure of the drug trial(some have cleaner data than others). When the drugs are used in the appropriate cocktail – with anti-viral, anti-biotic, anti-inflammatory, and anti-coagulant(anti-clotting) drugs, cholchicine and monoclonal antibodies, Zinc, proper nutrition – the results show the reduction in hospitalization with 85% and 94% respectively with early treatment, ie within 5 days of the first symptoms. Their combined use is much higher (I think it is 98%).
When the drugs are used later this number is about half, depending on how much later. The only benefit of an anti-viral is that it prevents the virus form replicating in the body which is about 10 days give or take(some say 8). So if you wait too long, you might as well be eating candy as its peak effect is well past. There was a group in South Africa, for instance, where the use of IVM and HCQ were each unavailable due to political controversy. The physician used a third anti-viral and out of 4300 patients he only had 1 hospitalization, and that 1 hospitalization did not die, so 100% success. Last I heard, Dr. Zalenko had treated nearly 4,000 patients and only 3 died, but this may have changed as this was many months ago, but the point is that the field data is very very encouraging. Something similar to this was found in France, but I do not recall the specific numbers, and then they banned HCQ.
The early treatment is what is key to survival, beyond the early treatment some drugs are shown to act more aggressively or some are a little more safe, but the early treatment, in any disease actually, is key to limiting the consequences of the disease. And prophylaxis will be even more beneficial, as it has shown a 50% reduction in any disease.
Now reduction in hospitalization means you go home, your a little achey, a mild fever, flu like conditions largely – but it means no serious illness and no death. If you are entered into the hospital, the use of the early treatment still shows a marked recovery rate. HCQ shows ~96% survival over all and IVM shows a 99% survival rate overall. Some studies will employ fewer members of this cocktail and some studies are smaller and will have poor numbers. I am not sure of the studies you are referencing, but on http://www.aapsonline.com you can find some very good references. I should not that the 85% efficacy of any drug will have some slight variations from one study to another, but it should not drift wildly – like 20% or more, that would be a statistical difference that would warrant further inspection. But these numbers are statistically analyzed under specific conditions. Field trials, like what we will discuss shortly are the practical application of these data that are applied to villages, cities and nations. Many things could change such as patient compliance(taking the drugs as indicated), or some other predisposing factors affecting general health such as available nutrition or ethnic biochemical distinctions which can come into play. Hope this answers this part of your question, let me know if I was unclear on anything.
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If most of the vaccinated population becomes disabled due to blood clotting but refuses to die for a few more years – what are the PTB planning to do?
Set up the end-of-life counseling (i.e., euthanasia) centers?
Special camps for the disabled “useless eaters”?
Imagine, hundreds of millions of people with brain, heart, lung, kidney, vision, etc. problems, unable to function and needing constant care and treatment (which won’t help, anyway).
@leanmarc@ii.net
In order for the protests to work, the protesters must have leverage over the PTB.
These days, it’s the other way around, and the PTB couldn’t care less if most of their constituents (read: serfs) go jump into the nearest body of water and drown.
BTW, if they claim that anyone who hasn’t been vaccinated is a leper who is spreading GERMS(!!!),
WHAT’S THE POINT IN TESTING FOR THE VIRUS?
And now it looks like the vaccinated can also get full blown cases of COVID, so they, too, are the lepers who are spreading GERMS!!!
I AM SO CONFUSED!!! [sarcasm]
Protests not Covid shots, is how we can defeat this Deviant leadership virus.
Edgar G., Peloni and anyone else here who loves the law and minute detail, I need your help to translate into Plainspeak, the following:
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/there-is-no-variant-not-novel-no-pandemic-dr-david-martin-with-reiner-fuellmich/
It is a rather long report by Dr. David Martin, about the patent history of the “novel” coronavirus aka COVID-19.
Apparently, Dr. Fauci was involved in the project for over 20 years.
Please see recent interview with Dr Zelenco on Pulse Of Israel.
It’s a knockout.
https://pulseofisrael.com/2021/07/25/zalenko-coronavirus-q-a-3/
Hello, Peloni et al.
Dr. Charles Hoffe has found the probable culprit in the vaccine:
1. The vaccine does not remain in the injection area, as falsely asserted by Big Pharma. 75% goes through the lymphatic system, and lodges in capillary walls. This causes microscopic clots, which destroy the capillaies throughout the body.
2. When lodged in the walls, the cells produce the spike protein., which makes the capillay surfaces rough. This, in turn, signals the body that the tissue is injured, and therefore it produces clots. These clots are not macroscopic, so they do not show up in examinations. Nonetheless, they cause the symptoms of circulatory, respiratory and neural dysfunction associated with reaction to the vaccine. In the heart, brain and lungs, this damage is permanent.
3. The D-Diver is an effective test for recent clotting activity in the body, even if macroscopic clots to not appear. 62% of those vaccinated test positive.
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/dr-charles-hoffe-issues-vaccine-warning/
@Bear
Nice find again Bear. The first study was actually dated from April, which I did not notice after it was in Jpost today(wierd but I should have noticed it) and it noted it was the first such study, which threw me off, so thank you for sharing this. This study is still a very small study, having only 32(9 had low sperm counts) qualifying subjects, but it is a much more encompassing look at the effects on the sperm generation 75 days post vaccination, whereas the first study was much more limited in its data collection. These types of studies can be done quite easily(cheap) and I am encouraged by the data here, but these two data sets are still quite small, even together. Still their agreement, to the level the data overlaps, is easily not irrelevant. There may be other studies out there as well, but I just looked and did not find any others on a quick search, which is disappointing. I also like that the second study did not overstate their findings as was done in the first study and interview. I still stand by the criticism of those statements and there is more to discuss about the statements as well, but I think the point was made well enough. Still it is encouraging that so far, in these two studies at least we have some agreement upon these findings, for now in any case.
Peloni,
What is the efficacy of ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine? The information about this varies greatly with the source. If big pharma or other powers that be, discouraged use of ivermectin/hydroxycholoroquine, would we not find some countries, not beholden to the special interests, that successfully deployed those drugs and have success stories to tell?
Right, give them more stuff that didn’t work and that might have given them COVID in the 1st place.
Seeing if there were any other studies confirming or finding the opposite results as in the JPost article which indicated that the vaccine did not cause harm to sperm count in and the virus did serious damage to sperm count in many men, I did a quick search. Finding consistency with the JPost article and its referenced study. I found nothing to the contrary.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2781360
This is my own text and it was included into the quotation from Snopes by mistake, and the system wouldn’t let me update my previous post.
BELOW: The usual trick by the pharmaceutical companies – the trials of a medication or a vaccine strenuously avoid any appearance of complications in the trial participants and then announce that the new medication/vaccine is safe for EVERYONE or nearly everyone.
[emphasis mine]
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/covid-vaccine-unprotected-sex/
It would be good to find some rationale for the global state-sponsorship of these vaccines while clear and specific foundations of efficacy and safety are ignored without explanation. The article cited in Jpost on the fertility trial of men only is a very small study, and warrants further investigation, 7months post vaccination, this should be easily possible with more significant numbers in many nations to gain a supportive view of the evidence. Very encouraging on this point at least.
Having said that, I do find Dr. Safrai’s final comment, as quoted above, to be very concerning, as the facts do not support such a happy advocacy. She seems to focus upon this one small study alone while disregarding other data which should be seen as very pertinent to “fertility impairment”. The pre-authorization data collected by Pharma clearly showed marked concentration of the spike proteins in the placenta. To reinforce this fact, a recent study displayed horrifying data displaying 82% spontaneous abortions in women taking the vaccine in their first trimester – which would incidentally occur to those women who were being vaccinated while unaware that they might be pregnant. There is also the evidence of the increased menstrual bleeding which would be expected to raise concerns among fertility experts, at least.
So whereas it is good that there is a small study showing a supportive advantage to the vax, Safrai’s final statement displays a concerning context. She, perhaps, did not mean to offer such a general endorsement which her words clearly displayed. In any event, I would not have commented but for the alarming context that that statement affords is easily an overstatement of these facts, which her small study on male spermatogenesis(sperm production) can not offer any input. We should, of course, accept good news where we can find it with a critical view, as this is the scientific approach(pre-Covid anyway), but such overstatements as Dr. Safrai’s will only undermine successful findings as she is trying to emphasize. I hope they pursue this study with additional inquires among the millions of males now post vaccinated. It could reveal a valuable explanation why the spike inoculation would be protective as opposed to the whole virus being harmful, ie there could be an additional pathogenic aspect to the SARS-Cov2 virus(this would be the first evidence of this possibility), or this small study could simply be in error.
There have been thousands of miscarriages after the vaccination campaign started.
Males who catch Covid-19 are having their sperm negatively impacted.
Those are vaccinated in Israel against the covid have NO negative impact.
Another reason to get vaccinated. Never mind your chance of catching Covid are seriously reduced. And if you do catch it if you are vaccinated it seriously reduces the impact of the virus.
Full article https://www.jpost.com/health-science/couples-desiring-to-conceive-should-vaccinate-against-covid-heres-why-674952
@Adam
I am most pleased to help you and any understand these matters that seem more challenging than they need to be. I find that much of the challenge of medicine is understanding many terms, as science in general approaches conversations thru the use of very specific terminology, rather than they more generalized vernacular speech. Most of medicine is understanding that health is a proper balance of two or more competing influences, sort of a yin and yang, but sometimes it occurs upon multidimensional chess board. The best way to understand such things is to take the multidimensional aspect out of the equation and looking upon things under a 2-dimentional parameter and then add all of the influences together. Even then, there is much about the human body at the cellular level that is not entirely understood, so accommodations of understanding are used to explain what is known to whatever level of knowledge that might be known for a given situation. The practical end of things is important, of course, but the underlying mechanisms is where medicine is truly understood. Medicine is a brilliant field of study, but I am living proof that lesser minds can gain a great understanding of the body’s network of systems and balances, as well as the awesome consequences that may be achieved by manipulating such balances towards improving a healthy life.
The tragedy that the world finds itself today, is, I believe, due to an arrogance of men who chose to manipulate many things in medicine and physiology as well as matters well beyond the medical realm, to achieve this disaster we find ourselves. There are many things that are quite concerning, that have come to light, and many people are greatly struck by an inner sense of fear that they feel powerless to gain an understanding or attempt a response. The fear often results in the adoption of depression among the growing horror. But I believe that knowledge alleviates, though it does not eliminate, this set of stages which often ends in great tragedies.
Knowledge is power, but it is also empowering, and I find that a little light upon this darkened field of knowledge might be a very useful thing for some. I hope you or others gain something of an understanding from my sometimes pedantic tendencies within these extended dialogues. I was told a long time ago that a little bit of knowledge can be dangerous, but I think it is also true that too little knowledge makes people fearful and too easily manipulated. So, I am pleased if you or others have gained some appreciation of these unknown facts. I believe medicine will ultimately benefit from this current challenge, as many will come to find these matters more relevant than their parents or grandparents, and pursue some understanding of these delicate matters that reveal a powerful understanding of the vast series of interlocking miracles G_d bestowed upon man in the form of the human body. So, if you or anyone else have any other questions, let me know.
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Another point of complication is the release of inflammatory reactors by the cells that have the spike attached to them. Wherever these cells with ACE2 receptors bound to spike proteins are, they will release chemicals called cytokines. These chemicals will stimulate changes in blood vessels that will cause irregular blood flow, and again this causes blood clots. There is more, but I think the picture is clear that there are multiple layers of mechanisms being activated to cause pro-coagulation, ie it increases the clot formation part of the equilibrium.
Where the blood clots occur are important, and the resulting symptoms will be associated with the location of these clots in the body. They can form in a pool of blood in the brain(called Cerebral venous sinus thrombosis), or in the large veins in the legs(called deep venous thrombus), these will each cause large blood clots to form. They can also form in the small capillary beds in the lungs, kidney, heart, liver, brain….these capillary clots will slowly block the capillaries one by one to some degree until antibodies to the spike protein end new spike proteins from surviving in the blood. Some, none or all of these(unlikely) can occur simultaneously.
The blood clots trigger a consequence and the other side of the equilibrium, blood clot dissolution increases its activity, but it will be overwhelmed by large clots or many small clots. So drugs will be needed to help with these clots. It is a very slow process to dissolve the clots, weeks to months. Another consequence to massive blood clots or many small clots is that many important compounds are used up, like platelets and vitamin K. This causes free bleeding or bruising through the body. This will not resolve quickly, so transfusions are needed and a vitamin K injection. This is not, of course including the consequence of other Covid disease symptoms such as heart attacks which will further push the dial towards blood clot formation.
So this is some of the story. The good part of this is that there are many great methods of treatment for the blood clots, so treatment is available, but sooner is much better than later. Treatments employ transfusions, fluids, anti-thrombotics(anti-bloodclot), filters placed in large vessels(vena cava), drugs including warfarin(rat poison), aspirin and other, . Sorry it probably is not as easily understood as other things, but it is a very global attack upon the coagulation system, and many things are all occuring at once. I tried to make it as clear as possible, but my niece read it a short time ago and told me it was pretty dull and suggested that I should start over, LOL – she is fair, but harsh so I did do some editing. So, if you have any questions or need clarification, let me know.
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With the mRNA vaccine, the mRNA is normally injected into the muscle. The mRNA causes the muscle cell to build the spike protein and place it on the infected cell’s surface. When or if these spike proteins are on the surface of the muscle cell, if the spike becomes dislodged it breaks into 2 parts S1 and S2. The S1 is the only part that matters. When the S1 gets to the blood stream it looks for its complement – an ACE2 receptor. It will flow in the blood without incident til it finds an ACE2 receptor, most likely in some capillary bed in a tissue with the ACE2 such as heart, kidney, lung, liver, brain,….
There could be few, many or millions of these spikes going into the bloodstream. The number will determine the onslaught the body will have to deal with and the level, if any, of effect that will be had on the many body systems and blood vessels that could potentially be affected. This is where things get complicated, so, apologies in advance, but there are about a dozen things happening at once which all lead to blood clot formation. When S1 binds to ACE2, it causes a tragic response by the cell, which if not reversed will cause an inflammatory cells(T-Cells) to damage the surrounding tissue. But before the tissue is attacked by the T-Cells, the borders of the affected cells become leaky, this allows proteins out of the blood vessels, causing blood pressure to drop, the drop in blood pressure results in reduced blood flow and then clots form.
But remember that the T-cells are coming to destroy the affected cell. When the T-Cell arrives it unloads toxic chemicals to destroy the infected cell, but it does this in a less precise manner and takes out a city block of cells rather than just one(the body sees the need to destroy the infected cell as more important than being specific with these toxic chemicals). When the surrounding tissue is damaged the tissue just under the blood vessel, called sub-endothelial tissue, which when exposed to platelets in the blood causes the platelets to begin clot formation in earnest. The exposure of this sub-endothelial tissue indicates to the body that there has been an injury, so the platelets unload a series of chemicals that cause blood clots to form. So we have blood clots forming. But this is not the end of things. One of the tissues affected by the spike protein is the heart. Should the T-Cells be stimulated to attack the heart, it causes improper blood flow for the entire body.
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@Adam
So Blood clots with Vax and Covid disease. The failed vaccine does not cause blood clots directly. The blood clots are caused by the failed vaccine not protecting the patient from future infection of SARS-Cov2 virus infection, and the future infection will cause symptoms of Covid disease which includes blood clots. Sorry for the confusion, the blood clot was just an example of the consequence of vaccine failure.
The real answer to how blood clots are triggered by the vaccine is that there are many ways this occurs. Before I begin, let me start by explaining this is a very disturbing tale, with many different story lines and they all end in blood clot formation. There is no way to predict if any or all of these will occur in a patient, and some might find this information upsetting. So for those who would classify themselves as such, just understand that there are a lot of ways to cause the body to form blood clots and the spike protein can trigger almost all of them, under the proper conditions. If your read further, you have been warned.
Lets consider the blood clotting system first.
The body has a beautiful series of controls throughout the body in which control is maintained by two opposing processes continually maintained in equilibrium, and the control of dialing the process up or down is by turning one of these two opposing processes up or down – to state it differently, both processes are always active holding each other in check, and the body can influence either process to increase or decrease as a point of control. Coagulation, blood clotting, is just such a process. The two processes are blood clot formation and blood clot dissolution. So, it is not as many likely think that blood clots form as needed, there are tiny clots formed continuously and dissolved as quickly.
The process is kept in an equilibrium with neither acting more than needed but ever ready to be triggered biochemically up or down. In health, the balance between the two processes is maintained in this equilibrium. In some disease states this balance may be triggered to become more shunted towards clot formation or more so towards clot dissolution. If you have more interest in this, I can describe it in great detail if you are interested let me know, it is quite a thing to behold. Blood clot formation has a pathway that is triggered by a variety of biochemical mechanisms. Toxins, slow blood flow(also known as blood stasis), erratic blood flows and exposure to blood of tissue just below the blood vessels(due to injuries) are among the triggers that cause an increase in blood clotting, called a pro-coagulation state. When a clot begins to form, the clot will tend to grow, until the body responds or outside pharmaceutical intervention is applied.
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Thanks again, Peloni, for explaining to me that there is no reliable data as to the safety of the vaccine, othr than the VAERS reports of negative reactions to the Cv-2 vaccines is much higher than for any other vaccine over the 30-year period before the pandemic. A jump in adverse reaction reports to 55x the average of reports over the preceding 29 years should raise concerns over the safety of the vaccines, but it apparently hasn’t raised concerns in most government and medical circles. Deeply troubling.
Peloni, many thanks for explaining to me the difference between a vaccine and medicine to treat an illness. I get it now.
The advocates of the vaccine do seem to be touting the idea that if you do get sick with COVID after taking the vaccine, you will get less sick and will have a better chance of recovery. This amounts to recommending its curative, medicinal qualities–but unlike normal medicines, which are administered by physicians after you get sick, they seem to want you to take the medicine before you get sick, and with no certainty that you will get sick. This is certainly a departure from normal, accepted medical practice.
I don’t understand why one will get a blood clot is the vaccine proves to be ineffective and as you put it “fails.” Can you indulge us even more by explaining why the vaccines create a danger of blood clots?
That is a really sinister development if it happens, especially on a large scale impacting hundreds of thousands, or even millions of those vaccinated. of those vaccinated. But even if only a smaller number develop blood clots, it is still pretty sinister.
@leanmarc@ii.net
It is criminal not to pursue early treatment. The harm is known. The harm is real. Late treatment results in more than 3X serious disease with death and compromised health as a consequence. If you went to the hospital with early signs of pneumonia and the consulting physician sent you home for two weeks, or one week or … this is malfeasance. This is what medical license reviews are based on, not treating the ill. I can not contain the anger I find at the shared incompetence such a policy is forcing on the medical systems of the world. And it all emerges from the FDA/CDC. Bennett’s advisors are given input from the FDA/CDC and it would be difficult to sustain a counter to these bodies which are the leaders in world health, but somewhere reason must return to the human psyche before the over 4million dead become over 8million dead. And if there is an explanation, let them explain it, rather than having Bennett quote Biden. Did he not see the classic moments of the Biden town hall last week? This is a very low moment.
@Adam
Yes, Adam you are correct. The independent board is very important. Still, there is one other point that has been overlooked on this topic and the data that it could offer at this moment would have been priceless to know. The vaccine trials were conducted amid enormous outbreaks. When the RCT were designed, the use of pregnant women and the elderly were strictly prevented from being part of the trials. This is why the statistical data showed a lack of statistically significant data between the trial and the general population. The limited data was unable to show a significant result and this was clearly stated in the EUA documents. Still, there was a significance beyond vaccine effectiveness to be gained from the RCT, as vaccinated subjects of such studies are monitored for statistical evidence of safety failures in the vaccine. Unfortunately, following the trial, the safety monitoring was eliminated by Pharma. The only way to continue the trial was to keep the placebo group as such, ie unvaccinated. But after 2 months, they vaccinated the placebo group. This means there is no way to deduce a statistical value to these vaccines based on safety. And there are no animal trials to fall back on to extrapolate a relevant input, though animal trials are of limited use, normally, their value in the absence of any statistical safety data on human trials seems very significant at the moment.
So, what does it mean that we don’t have this information. Over the past 40 years, VAERS has reported every death associated with every vaccine. In any given year the lowest value of deaths associated with vaccine use is 39 in 1990, the year the program began. Since then, the number has fluctuated as high as 141. The average of these values is 108 deaths per year. The value last week was reported at 12,000 and later down-graded to 6,000(there is a question in my mind about this change, but it is irrelevant really). Let us not quibble over how the number was inflated over many months to be double, as the importance of a specific value is less relevant to this topic. In a given year, the average value is 108 and in 6 months we are being told it is now more than 55X that value. So there is a clear question of safety. The trial subjects are normally maintained for 2 yrs of data to determine if a safety issue is statistically different between the vaccinated and placebo groups. But we have only two months of data to draw any conclusions from this trial. So all we can say is that it would have been quite useful to know the statistical implications of those people who would today be approaching 1yr post vaccination, to interpret the harm to those who are only a few months post vaccinated and those who will soon be forced to submit to state mandates and perhaps multiple boosters to support the vaccines.
Your word of infamous is well warranted. If these vaccines can not establish safety standards that are meaningful and protective, the vaccine use should be ended.
It pains my heart to read Bennett’s speech the other day. I was almost too angry to finish. Up to 56% of hospitalisation and deaths in Israel recently reported by Israeli Health data was in the “vaccinated”. Vaccination does not stop spread or infection. They need to stop pushing these dangerous shots and focus on early treatment options with prophylaxis for vulnerable and the elderly.
Peloni, many thanks for explaining about the contrast between how flu shots are handled and how the cv vaccines are being handled. Also, pointing out the oversight boards that are legally required and really necessary to monitor the usage of the vaccine. Of course there is also the fact that there was never any testing of the vaccine by a independent testing board not connected to the vaccine manufacurers and sellers. Instead, the government relied solely on the claims of the companies that had patented the vaccines.
Infamous.
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Simply stated they need to treat the disease not with vaccines, but by early treatment of patients. It is too important to ignore this very great presumed ignorance of pharmacological treatments of ailments is not by vaccines but by therapeutics. Vaccines have their use and they are responsible for many great achievements over the years, but they can not treat what they can not prevent, as that is all they do.
The govts have betrayed their public’s trust by not pursuing the early treatments in early Spring 2020 at the latest, and their imagined explanations of vaccines limiting disease symptoms in the face of vaccine breakthroughs may be due to many things, but it is not due to any scientific explanation. If they have one, they should share it, but this explanation that the vaccine limits Delta variant’s disease state is easily proven to not be an honest one. Delta, since it was first described in India has been known to have a lower disease state and India had a very low vaccinated public at the time, so there was no vaccine acting to limit the disease at the time this was first noted.
As to the data, the Pharma have the data, they are collecting it and review it as they like to monitor the stage 4 trials that are ongoing til next year. The govts have access to this data, or at least the FDA and CDC will have access to it, but it is beyond the corporate veil, which I have spoken on at some point. Their is no reason to prevent the public from having access to this data as the enforced use of vaccines are being employed. Yet, the Pharma will not allow the release of these data til 2022, they may have changed it to 2023 as I think I recall something to that point, but it will not be released definitely til next year, at the earliest.
On your points:
1. The specifics of the deaths are due to billing charges. When you are diagnosed with flu, or flu like illness, there is a system that you are entered into and there is no real gauge if you really had the flu or something that just masked this. This is where the ILI(influenza-like-illness) index came from that helped monitor the Covid outbreaks last year in real time. The specific number, though, are the product of billing from the hospitals to the US govt. The US govt is paying per individual between $13,000 and $39,000(with ventilator) per Covid patient – there was $10billion split between 1,000 US hospital systems based upon specific quotas of Covid patients and the hospitals provided billing orders to the govt for each patient to qualify and be paid these stipends. This is how we know exactly the number of Covid patients as were billed. How many were victims of car accidents and such, that is a different consideration of the same issue, however. The details of this are quite scandalous when you consider them closely and the implications that these matters were obviously manipulated to manufacture excess Covid deaths as a consequence.
2. Good question. The use of actuarial estimates is often used with such epidemiological matters, hence the mathematicians rather than clinicians. But the change in dates for enough data to be collected suggests that a lower bar of data might have been utilized to respond to public clamor(this is just a hypothetical conjecture).
3. I could not agree more strongly of the absurdity of this, and it very well may have its roots in the financial swindal I referenced above relating to the mis-classifications of Covid status patients. Such low standards should not be rewarded with public moneys, but they are well rewarded as I noted.
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@Adam
The use of vaccines are being manipulated to treat the Covid disease rather than prevent the disease. Bennett referenced this clearly when he stated:
Statements to this effect have been used with an increased meaning over the past months. Dr. McCullough has spoken on this slightly in a few interviews, but not fully disclosing his meaning.
For a treatment to a disease to be a treatment, it includes, in its simplest form, measures to support the immune system or manipulate some biological system towards eliminating illness, ie some unfavorable symptom – like a headache or fever. When you have a headache or a fever, you take an aspirin. It thins the blood, making it more fluid and less, well lets keep it simple, it manipulates your blood system to eliminate the symptom of a headache or at least lessen the symptom. When you have a fever, treatment is applied to bring the fever down. Pharmaceuticals, as opposed to vaccines, are used to reduce symptoms and disease states and return the body to a happy state, to keep it simple(I can explain this better if you don’t understand let me know, but I think this is clear enough to make my point). Vaccines do not do this.
Vaccines prepare the body to fight off some invader that it has never seen before. Vaccines do this by presenting a piece, or a less infective form, of the invading bacteria/virus to the body so an immune response can be processed. This allows the body to respond to a small dose of infection by this piece of virus/bacteria or to a less infective form of the virus/bacteria. The intent of the vaccine is to provide the body the ability to develop both a cellular response(T-Cell) and antibodies(B-Cell) to prevent future illness when this bacteria/virus is encountered in life. The vaccine must create enough of a response by the immune system or it will fail due to a lack of an immune response memory, ie you will rid yourself of the vaccine, but the body wasn’t challenged enough to create the immunity memory, just to keep it simple. The thing that is being proposed by this malarchy about vaccines reduce disease is, well, malarchy. It is something to say, something to point to, to explain a benefit for what has been done, namely vaccinate rather than early treatment. But vaccines are meant to prevent disease, they don’t create attenuated(reduced symptoms) disease states.
It could be fairly conjectured that, in general, a vaccine is partially effective because it allows limited immunity to some parts of the virus and not others and the parts that it is not protective against results in disease. But this is not the case with these SARS-Cov2 virus vaccines. These vaccines were only designed to protect against the very small spike protein which happens to cause the many forms of Covid disease. Hence, either the vaccines create a sustained immunity to the spike or it fails to do this. Stated more simply, either it works, or it fails. It doesn’t keep you out of the hospital with reduced symptoms, that is what HCQ and Ivermectin do, as they are pharmacologic therapeutics. If there are antibodies or cellular immunity produced to the level of creating immune memory these systems will destroy the spike when it is encountered later in life, and no illness will result. If these systems do not recognize the spike, the vaccine has failed and a disease state will result – eg, blood clots.
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I do not believe that Bennett is suicidal or corrupt. Bennett, like Netanyahu and Trump, has surrendered his critical thinking skills to fear. Like a frightened child, Bennett believes what he is told, and blindly follows the political medicine that is restructuring human life on this planet. Political medicine is NOT medical science, it is social engineering! These jabs are NOT legally vaccines. They do not provide immunity or prevent transmission.Telling Israelis to get vaccinated to be safe is the equivalent of telling Jews in Germany to get in line for soap to get washed.
Encouraging vaccinations against a dangerous pathogen with real, well tested vaccines does make sense but this particular one seems to kill more people than the virus it purports to save them from.
Encouraging vaccination to keep people from getting sick makes sense to me.
Peloni–I don’t understand how and why it is that you say that the Israeli and American governments are advising the vaccination as treatment. They seem to be suggesting only that the vaccines will prevent you and other people with whom you are in contact from getting sick. Please explain to us your thinking about this issue more fully.
For me, the biggest problem with the vaccines is that the government has not provided us with reliable, credible data about the prevalence and dangerousness of the disease, and the dangerousness of the vaccines themselves. There are many, many reasons to question the credibility of government, WHO, and Johns Hopkins statistics.
1. Governments have never published specific, detailed data on the number of cases of other diseases, and the number of fatalities that each one causes. Estimates of flu deaths by the CDC, for example, ranged from 250,000 all the way up to 600,000 over many years prior to 2020. This is such estimate is so unspecific as to be meaningless. But since the outbreak of COVID, Johns Hopkins, the CDC, the WHO and everyone else has been publishing data of Covid deaths precise to the last digit of six digit reports. How and why are they able to be so peicise about Covid cases and deaths, when they can only make vague and imprecise estimates of illnesses and deaths for every other disease?
2. The official bodies keep making contradictory statements as to total number of deaths and the death rate from all causes on a yearly basis. First the CDC said that they would not know how many people had dird from Covid in 2020 alone (not including 2021) until November 2021. Then the announced that that there had been a huge increase of total number of deaths since the beginning of the epidemic over equally long periods in previous years. These “excess deaths” totaled 700,00, and had decreased life expectancy by 1,5 years–the biggest drop since World War II. But they did not publish any raw data at all to substantiate these claims. The study making these claims was written by a panel of mathematicians and economists (!!). not one medical man among them. Most tellingly, the CDC has failed to explain how and why they went from saying that it would be many months before they would have enough data to publish the total number of deaths in 2020-21 from Covid and all other causes, to suddenly discovering that they had enough data to publish “prelininary” conclusions on this subject. The mass media mainly left out the “preliminary” qualification when reporting this story.
3. The CDC and other official bodies, including Israel’s national health administration, claims that illnesses and deaths from influenza have almost completely disappeared–down 98% from previous years. This is utterly absurd! Since most alleged COVID illnesses and deaths from “complications” from the illness (not the illness itself, if you read the fine print), meaning in the overwhelming number of cases pneumonia,and since there is no real way to distinguish pneumonia that developed from the flu and other familiar illnesses from pneumonia that developed from Covid, there is no rational or scientific basis for the claim that all these pneumonia deaths were also covid deaths. Therefore we have no way of knowing how many cases of Covid had fatal consequences. Many alleged Covid deaths were probably from complications of influenza and the “common” cold.
There is much, much more evidence that the official statistics about the epidemic are completely unreliable, and that we really have no reliable information at all about how deadly covid really is, and whether the vaccines are working. But I have to go now. Will come back to this subject later.
The country has 9 million people and the number of serious cases “nears 100!!!”.
What happened to Bennett?
Someone had a nice talk with him last Thursday?
Or he is trying to “outBibi” Bibi?
I think he is making a bad mistake.
So, a few questions.
When is the flu shot given? It is not during flu season, it is before, or after, but that is for next year’s flu season, so it is still before. This is obvious as you want to stimulate an immune response with the shot, without creating an opportunity for infection during the flu season. So, you get the vaccine before the flu season begins. It gives the body time to get a little ache, hopefully just a little, enough for the body to create what is called an antigenic response, ie creates enough of an immune response that it will be stored in your immune system’s memory bank so that in a couple of months the immunity will be used to protect agains the coming flu. There are, of course, many problems with the flu shots, but it provides the best explanation of this process for easy understanding of my point here.
If the vaccine were to be given to an individual during the flu season, it would stimulate the immune system and challenge it to create this immunity memory. But in doing so, the immune system is being challenged by this fake infection(vaccine) while the body is being exposed on a daily basis to the wild flu virus(recall in this scenario we are in flu season). This affords a weakened or distracted, to some level and sometimes a great level, immune system to protect against the wild virus that you might be exposed to with every contact you make on a daily basis. This is why we don’t vaccinate during flu season. Never. It is also why we don’t vaccinate during outbreaks. Never. Especially if you have a treatment that will prevent any serious disease in 5/6 cases.
So, a few relevant questions I think are warranted.
– Why are we vaccinating during this outbreak?
– Why are we using vaccinations, which challenge and weaken the immune system to treat a very treatable disease?
– Why are we willing to accept the risk/benefit ratio of this vaccine at all when there is no established risk/benefit ratio?
– Why are there no critical event committees associated with this vaccine?
– Why is there no safety monitoring board associated with this vaccine?
– Why is there no human ethics committee associated with this vaccine?
– We are not lab rats, though Pharma may see us as such. There are no human trials done without the safety boards listed here. Not now, not ever.
– Why do we care so little for those who are becoming ill and dying or bankrupt due to these vaccines?
Oh, one more question.
– Why do we have no one asking or answering these questions?
So we have many questions, and it’s seems to be past the time we should be given some answers.
So, Vaccination as treatments. We are now moving the needle, it seems. Bennett has admitted the vaccine is now being employed as a treatment for the Covid disease..and he uses Biden as his lifeline source…really? Does this concern anyone else.
How about employing early treatment as treatment rather than a safety questionable vaccine as treatment? Vaccines are not treatment. What vaccine limits symptoms and what is the benefit of a vaccine that has only partial protection with serious safety issues. Why not treat the disease with medicine like you would any other disease process. Early medical treatment, which the govt has refused to pursue, treats the patient and provides a full robust immunity to the patient while keeping 85% from developing serious disease. The meaning of a robust immunity is that the body develops immunity that are maintained in your immune system’s memory, so if you are exposed to this virus again, you will not become ill again. Those infected in 2003 with the first SARS outbreak are still protected today. If these vaccines worked, they would do the same, for more than these very few months. Vaccines are suppose to provide the immunity against infection which is why we take vaccines, not as a treatment. Who the hell is advising these people? Biden? This is simple arithmetic. If the vaccines are not protective, lets give them another shot? After only 6months? These protests display the angst between the govts disconnect with their public.
These govts obviously have a rationale for employing these vaccines as a treatment in spite of their safety issues – with this in mind, they should simply share their rationale. These politicos and their advisors should be holding regular press conferences where the people can gain an insight for implementing an inoculation program in the middle of an outbreak as an intended treatment, rather than employing early treatments, as safe pharmaceutical interventions which is employed against every other disease process. Such a process of open dialogue between govt and their public would also allow many questions carried by the public about the vaccines and what is known by these officials about these vaccines they mandate, rather than hiding behind president Word Salad. Quite honestly, condescension of public concerns and quoting Biden as your reference source displays simultaneous arrogance and stupidity that will only undermine public confidence and result in greater uproars to come. Someone should note to Bennett there are more intelligent toaster-ovens to quote than Obama’s hand puppet – on every issue.
With early treatments, 85% will avoid hospitalization, ie not 85% avoiding death, they will avoid any serious illness requiring hospitalization, while the overwhelming majority of the remaining 15% survive as well. The result of this early treatment is a very strong, robust immunity to the every part of the virus, not just a single piece, which if mutated enough, will not be recognized by the immune system. Remember the vaccines are suppose to be protective, ie take the vaccine and you won’t get sick. There are only three problems with this.
1. They are having increasing breakthroughs around the world(not complelely protective)
2. They have serious safety issues(clearly harmful to many thousands)
3. They are providing for the greatest transfer of wealth in history on the basis of providing dubious health benefits and serious health challenges to the public being required to submit to the forced vaccination policy.(the topic of wealth transfer is the topic to which The Big Guy’s input as an adviser should be limited )
Really other than these 3points, it would be difficult to argue with the vaccines.:)