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Menu There is no diplomatic solutionIsrael should declare three nos;
no to nuclear Iran, no to two-state solution, no to bi-national state
no to nuclear Iran, no to two-state solution, no to bi-national state
You make aliyah because it’s a mitzva, period.
Israel should have adopted the American Solution from the very beginning, right after declaring statehood. That would have finished the conflict once and for all. The problem with Israel is that it is still frightened by all of its might and Divine assistance, and acts as if it were still a persecuted minority in a foreign land. After 2000 years in exile, it takes a while to give up the galut mentality and to stop being afraid of what the goyim will say.
We should agree to a two-state solution just like the Americans agreed to a two-state solution with the Indians. America took control of the entire country and gave the Indians a couple small reservations. After the American Solution has been imposed in Israel, we could give the remaining handful of Arabs a reservation or two in the Negev. For a country that tries so hard to copy America, that would be best way of all to follow in the noble American tradition of fairness and freedom for both Israelis and for Arabs, if any are left after the war.
A religious Jew does what Hashem wants him to do, whether it is pleasing to him or not. He doesn’t say, “I’m not going to daven the morning prayer because it’s too early to get out of bed.” He doesn’t say, “I’m not going to eat matzah because constipation can be dangerous.” He doesn’t say, “I’m not going to keep Shabbos because it impinges on my freedom.” He or she doesn’t say, “I’m not going to have any children because it will harm my career.”
So, if for whatever reason, aliyah is too difficult a mitzvah for you, or circumstances just don’t allow it right now, don’t blame you’re not coming on the situation in Israel. Be honest and say, “I know that a Jew is supposed to live in Israel, but I am unable to do so because I’m afraid,” or “my parents won’t let me,” or “I may have a hard time making a living,” or “I’m too rigid in my ways to adjust to a new language and culture,” or “I don’t have enough faith in G-d.”
Yes, there are challenges facing us in Israel, but stop blaming the situation in Israel, when the real reason why you don’t come lies within yourself.
Steps to free Gilad Shalit:
I like: no muslims allowed on the Temple Mount until Shalit is free.
Or: no Jewish water, electricity or gasoline to Gaza until Shalit is freed.
Or: Treatment of all palestinian prisoners in Jewish Israel the same as the treatment of Shalit in Gaza (no visitors, no red cross, no korans, etc.).
But here is the real question: why are Netanyahu, Barak, and Lieberman content to let Shalit rot in Gaza? Why don’t they mobilize the IDF and take as long as it takes to go house to house in Gaza searching for Shalit, even if he is killed in the process? How many years of his life will they waste letting him rot in a Jew-hating muslim prison?
And here is the (obvious) real answer: they piously and hypocritically proclaim that they will leave no stone unturned until Shalit is released, but in reality, they don’t give a damn, and consider him expendable (just like poor Jonathan Pollard.) As long as it’s just some poor little shmuck’s son, and not their own sons.
We American Jews think about that, when we consider aliyah to “Jewish” Israel.
What would Rabbi Kahane have said about Shalit?
From the Linkolnwood address, May 3, 1990
The day after those soldiers were captured, Israel should have gone in and captured 100 Arabs, put them in cells 6 by 6 feet, and said, ‘”They stay there until our guys are free.”
The Russians know how to deal with them. A couple of years ago the terrorists (in Lebanon) made the mistake of kidnapping a Russian. The Russians got Arabs to find the brother of the guy who kidnapped him and they sent him his body in pieces. And the Russian was freed the next day.
I mean that nice people here think, That is terrible. But that’s the world in which we live. That’s what they know. Someday it will be a nice place in the world, but until then we live in this present world and there are three Jews who are suffering now for years and years. And you cannot be nice, not when you’re not the person who is suffering. Don’t be nice at the expense of the other fellow who’s suffering. How easy it is to be nice if you don’t feel the pain. You have to feel the pain of every other Jew and do whatever is necessary to help the Jew. There’s nothing not allowed to be done to save a Jew.
On the radio today someone said, ‘Would you do this?’ Of course, I would. Anything to save the Jew, that’s it. I want to finish with this. My son served in the army during the war in Lebanon, you know I have two sons. They received orders that if a PLO position was in a village they were not allowed to give fire cover to the infantry because they might kill civilians. Do you know how many Jewish soldiers died because of that criminal order?
SCOOP!!!!! SCOOP!!!!! SCOOP!!!!!
Rahm Emanuel expected to quit White House
Tell you the truth Levisnon I dislike most everyone, right wing or left wing. What ever that means anymore? Israel over the past 62 years has been screwed almost equally by both conservative and liberal, left and right. I tend to ignore populist demagoguery in both Israel and America and try to look past it and through it before I decide to take a side.
I can agree to in the end take on a politician who I believe will cause us less harm but that is choosing from the negative. Not much to get excited about. We still get kicked but they are non lethal body kicks as opposed to head kicks.
America has never been our friend or ally, we were for a time useful, and when the powers that be deem us no longer useful, we are discarded like many other countries America has used and discarded in the past.
I see it suicidal to pursue an agenda to keep America as our crutch and Master and that’s what Ted and most commenters on this site are advocating. With out America we have a fighting chance to survive, with America we are dead. Those are the real choices we face everything alse you mentioned is just jingoism’s and bullshit compared to the reality.
I don’t want Americas support I want America to destroy the Saudis, Bomb the fucking shit out of Iran, stop arming to the teeth all of our neighbors who are also our enemies especially Egypt. Throw Turkey out of NATO and stop supplying them with American hardware etc. In return I would forgo all of American military aid.
Will your fucking conservatives do any of those things if they regained control of the executive and congress? Not on your life bubby, we here will be back to square #1 trying to survive a great cost in a world dominated by American interests.
Those interests are at the end of the day; that for short term bottom lines Israel and the Jews are expendable.
Why then should we help in our own demise by chasing those who would see us succumb? We did pretty well without America until after the end of the 73 war.
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Ted, I am in agreement.
First there is no need for compromise. The US should support a friend, Israel unconditionally. That’s what friends are for.
Secondly Israel is not a warmonger, any actions taken are of a defensive nature. Why not a blockade, well without it the terrorist nations would be shipping into Gaza a multitude of weapons to be use to kill Israelis.
Again, the rouge nations know Obama is a anti-Semite and anti-Israel, giving them a free hand in pouncing on Israel. They also know this window of opportunity could close in November.
I hate repeating myself but, American Jews and non-Jews have let the government know we need to fully support Israel and should tell Turkey to stand down.
Fistel you ask too many questions.
Remember,
When you cross that Rubicon, and can finally say that. You will truly have come home.
A hell of a lot more than you have ever accomplished. He will then become part of the redemptive process. Which in the end is what we are supposed to be all about.
War is coming? You betcha!
The history of the world is a big war every generation. Why every generation? Because if you lose, then you raise your kids to get revenge and regain your lost honor. Nowhere does that hold more true than in the ever savage and ever primitive muslim world.
The muslims are licking their wounds from the defeats of Hizbolla and Hamas. Now, because of Bush and Obama, Iran is the rising muslim power, and is stepping in to regain the lost muslim honor.
Let’s look at europe leading up to world war two: Germany had suffered a humiliating defeat. Hitler rose to power vowing to avenge that defeat, proclaiming his intent to destroy the Jewish devils, and the biological superiority of the “aryan race”. He then proceeded to re-arm germany to the teeth, but nobody took him at his word until too late.
And now: the muslims have suffered a humiliating defeat. Iran is rising to power vowing to avenge that defeat, and proclaiming their intent to destroy the Jewish devils, and the superiority of islam and how much allah is on their side. And they are arming themselves and their allies to the teeth, including nukes.
I expect that once again, the goyim won’t take them at their word, but how about Jewish Israel? Have they actually learned anything?
Ted, if you were so prepared, just what do you think that would accomplish?
It is easier for us to go it alone if we have a friendly administration. We have always had an unfriendly state Department. In practice the executive must restrain the state department. It doesn’t always succeed but the worst is when they are aligned.
I am not one to favour compromising outselves to maintain a good relationsip. The more we bend to pressure, the more pressure comes our way.What’s to be done? Would I do differently from Bibi if I am subjected to the same pressures he is, I honestly don’t know.
What is important is that war is coming. Prosecuting that war is our first priority. The peace process isn’t going anywhere even with our gestures.
Truth be told, I go around in circles because I am not prepared to say “fuck ’em all”
The unclean kind of godless, liberal, globalist Jews (who aided and abetted the terrorist Nelson Mandela and racist ANC) aren’t satisfied to see the havoc they’ve wreaked in
South Africa and now their demons drive them to target another bastion of white civilization: Israel.
Such dangerous, confused and treacherous souls are clearly suicidal and insane because in the primitive world of darkness, of chaos and confusion they’re forging, they’ll be exposed for having caused the pain and suffering folks will experience and justice will show them no mercy.
Invictus Idolatry
Like which previous American administration? Pls give examples.
If you can answer the first question successfully, what gives you confidence a new Republican administration will be better for Israel than any previous American administrations? Then how would you describe better and friendly, as opposed to ongoing continuous American policy since 1948?
put some meat on your bone, why do we need America as opposed to why we don’t need America?, Better yet why we should’ seek close ties with America as opposed to going it alone?
Rational Fallacy
Maybe they should, but most don’t know it, nor care.
Ted I am totally in agreement.
I have a different take on American politics than does Yamit. As an Israeli it is important to me that the administration be friendly to Israel. At the moment this requires a Republican adminisration House and Senate.
Any American issues that will have a bearing on bringing this about are also of interest to me.
Secondly I want the forces of socialism and statism to be defeated. The conservatives (Tea Partiers and Libertarians) lead by Sarah Palin are in the pitch of this battle.
Finally only the conservatives can protect America from the Islamists.
These battles matter not only to Americans but to everyone.
Uncle would you mind going easy on Bill, after all he is a PennStater.
Secondly I don’t entirely disagree what you say about American politics and I am sure the citizens of this country who had over the years have been in a coma during election time.
The Tea Party has awaken the multitude and changes will take place. In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if the multitude will be looking for term limits. That would mean career politicians will be over. I hope and pray.
Listen Uncle you are a great Israeli and also a great American and I love my country and care about it likewise I love Israel and care out her likewise. Israel is important to us and important to the world. Unfortunately the US is run by a anti-Semite/anti-Israel and the rouge nations know this and they feel they have the freedom to challenge Israel. They realize the election will be right around the corner and the window of opportunity will close.
Listen it wouldn’t hurt to ask for Divine intervention, I ask G-d to aid Israel every day and you know what, asking is free, no long distance call charge.
The problem with you levinson is you couldn’t care less about Israel except where supports for Israel advances your right wing American agenda, that for the most part bores me to tears, It’s fucking infantile.
Now I can say honestly that internal American politics only interests me insofar as it effects Israel.
Now If all 20 or 30 Jewish congressman are the most shitty liberals on the planet but stay loyal to Israel that’s fine with me.
I don’t care about American gun control laws I have mine and tha’s all I care about. I don’t care about cap and trade as I can only profit by it here. I don’t care about pro life disputes and conflicts in America. I care about it here. I see little real difference between Obama and the last 3 years of Bush Both are mental midgets, both anti Israel. Bush was nice enough to us to be popular , undeserved but his being a nice guy and a good liar won us over.
In short I mostly find American politics stupid, mostly boring, mostly non relevant to us and in the end except for atmospheric nuances there is really little to choose from between Democrats and Republicans. That is mostly a fictional divide in-order to keep core constituents within the fold. I can’t be opposed to Obama care as I don’t qualify and I have very good care under a similar system that costs me peanuts.
Even on our system we can buy an extra care package for an nominal extra fee. So from here I don’t see what you are all gripping about? Do you have investments in Health Insurance stock?
Cliche, but an apt cliche.
Laura you are too trusting, only some few Christians meet your standard, most of those you consider evangelicals don’t.
All have their own peculiar concept of Israel some even quite weird and far out. Don’t give me the line compared with liberal Jews.
They ( Liberal Jews) will yet be tested and I don’t know how they will react. I pretty much know how most of the Christians will.
This is exactly why I value the support of the evangelicals.
When the going gets tough, the weak surrender.
The lesson of a Jewish cemetery Page 2
MARK STEYN: The ‘sanctity’ of this burial ground in Tangiers speaks volumes
by Mark Steyn on Thursday, June 17, 2010 8:00am – 326 Comments
North Korea sinks a South Korean ship; hundreds of thousands of people die in the Sudan; millions die in the Congo. But 10 men die at the hands of Israeli commandos and it dominates the news day in, day out for weeks, with UN resolutions, international investigations, calls for boycotts, and every Western prime minister and foreign minister expected to rise in parliament and express the outrage of the international community.
Odd. But why?
Because Israel is supposed to be up for grabs in a way that the Congo, Sudan or even North Korea aren’t. Only the Jewish state attracts an intellectually respectable movement querying its very existence, and insisting that, after 62 years of independence, that issue is still not resolved. Let’s take a nation that came into existence at precisely the same time as the Zionist Entity, and involved far bloodier population displacements. I happen to think the creation of Pakistan was the greatest failure of postwar British imperial policy. But the fact is that Pakistan exists, and if I were to launch a movement of anti-Pakism it would get pretty short shrift, and in Canada a “human rights” complaint or three.
That’s why, in his first post-9/11 message to the troops, Osama droned on about the fall of Andalusia: it’s been half a millennium, but he still hasn’t gotten over it, and so, a couple of years ago, when I was at the Pentagon being shown some of the maps found in al-Qaeda safe houses, “the new caliphate” had Spain and India being re-incorporated within the Muslim world.
If that’s how you think, no wonder a tiny little sliver of a Jewish state smack dab in the heart of the Dar al-Islam drives you nuts: to accept Israel’s “right to exist” would be as unthinkable as accepting a re-Christianized Constantinople.
To this fierce Islamic imperialism, the new Europeans, post-Christian, post-nationalist and postmodern as they are, nevertheless bring one of their oldest prejudices—that in the modern world as much as in medieval Christendom Jews can never be accorded full property rights. On a patch of the Holy Land, they are certainly the current leaseholders, but they will never have recognized legal title. To be sure, there are a lot of them there right now. But then there were a lot of them in Tangiers and Baghdad and the Bukovina and Germany and Poland, for a while. Why shouldn’t Tel Aviv one day be just another city with some crumbling cemeteries and a few elderly Jews?
That’s the reason the “Palestinian question” is never settled. Because, as long as it’s unresolved, then Israel’s legitimacy is unsettled, too.
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Read the comments here just as illuminating.
PR: Hezbollah is smart, Jews stupid
The Lebanese militia prepared an excellent PR move: it dispatches to Gaza a ship with women only.
Israel prepares to stop the ship through commando action.
Instead, the ship should be allowed through to Gaza, since it certainly carries no weapons. If Israel seeks a PR victory, the Navy can seize the Gaza port to control the ship’s unloading.
The “women ship” might become a test case for the new tactics. Nothing precludes Syria, Hezbollah, or Hamas from marching a female mob into Israel. And Jews will have to decide whether their national goals are sufficiently important to abandon PR and start shooting the Arabs
Israel: we’re saints, just saints
Two of the Marmara peaceniks alleged that the Israelis used the credit cards confiscated from them.
Jewish religious law does not prohibit spoils. Not impossibly, some of the large number of Israeli policemen and soldiers who helping processing the peaceniks could have stolen the cards. No big deal.
Egypt doesn’t do dirty job for Israel
In order to avoid an open clash with Iranian ‘aid’ ships, Israeli government requested Egypt to stop them in the Suez channel. Egypt refused, claiming international free shipping agreements.
Technically, Egypt is right: as long as the presence of weapons on board is not credibly established, it cannot close the waterway to Iranian shipping. That reasoning, of course, did not prevent Egypt from closing the Tiran Straits to Israeli Shipping in 1967 – at which point American refused to intervent despite Eisenhower’s commitment of 1956.
Israeli government employs unreasonable force against the relatively friendly Turkish ships, and hesitates to use force against Iranians.
Per we seem to be on the same page.
Actually I thought Narvey perfect for the assignment as he is deep into letter writing. Alas, he is too Cluck, Cluck for that.
If you consider sending them a letter, you might also inform them that the flotilla Turks were more precise when they instead of “Decolonize Palestine” shouted:”Go back to Auschwitz!”
Tell these people to go back to Auschwitz themselves and invite along anyone who would like to follow them there. Offer them a bottle of Cyclone B for free and be happy to get rid of them.
I’m sure some of us like Shy Guy can ferret out some names.
I’m not too concerned about criminal charges, I would have each letter signed Bill Narvey.
I thought mine was.
There is no list of names for this group. Only a list of linked web sites, most of which I expect have never heard of this group.
Sending such a letter Yamit could expose one to criminal charges.
Do you have any practical suggestions?
I would take the list of names identified with this group and send each a personal letter saying we know where you live and where your kids go to school.
These people must be made to know fear of Jewish retribution.
Check out the website of 2010 U.S. Assembly of Jews Confronting Racism & Israel Apartheid. The About Us section which says a lot is at:
http://www.jewsconfrontapartheid.org/about/
To the right of that web page, note the linked groups that this group finds favor with. I cannot find the names of the Jews with this new organization.
It doubtless angers you and most Jews to hear of this.
The question is whether we presume this is a lunatic fringe group (& other such Jewish groups) that is best ignored or is it a group that needs to be dealt with and if so how?
I would be interested in hearing Israpundit followers’ thoughts to those questions.
We are told that there is a difference between extremist Islam and peaceloving normal Islam.
Judging by their behavior, Muslims are anti-West, anti-Democracy, anti-Christian, anti-Jewish, anti-Buddhist, and anti-Hindu. Muslims are involved in 25 of some 30 conflicts going on in the world: in Afghanistan, Algeria, Bangladesh, Bosnia, Congo, Cote d’Ivoire, Cyprus, East Timor, India, Indonesia (2 provinces), Kashmir, Kazakastan, Kosovo, Kurdistan, Macedonia, the Middle East, Nigeria, Pakistan, Philippines, Somalia, Sudan, Russia-Chechnya, Tajikistan, Thailand, Uganda and Uzbekistan.
Doesn’t this mean that extremist Islam is the norm and normal Islam is extremely rare?
The Religion of Peace, REMEMBER
the MUSLIM bombing of PanAm Flight 103, 12/21/88
the MUSLIM bombing of the World Trade Center in 2/26/93
the MUSLIM bombing of the Marine Barracks in Lebanon, 10/23/83
the MUSLIM bombing of Khobar Towers, U.S. Barracks Saudi Arabia, 6/25/88
the MUSLIM bombing of U.S. Embassies-Nairobi & Dar es Salaam, Africa, 8/10/98
the MUSLIM attacks on the World Trade Center, the Pentagon & (probably) the White House or Congress on 9/11/01
the MUSLIM bombings of 4 commuter trains in Madrid 3/11/04
the MUSLIM murders of at least 368 children in Beslan, Russia 9/1/004
the MUSLIM murders of at least 1500 Israelis since Oslo was signed 9/13/93, with tens of thousands wounded — many maimed for life!
all the AMERICAN and other lives who were lost in those vicious MUSLIM attacks.
Islamic Terrorists Have Carried Out More Than 14,374 terror attacks since 9/11/01. [TheReligionofPeace.com] (Debbie Schlussel Nov 12, 2009)
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Organizers
Int’l Jewish Anti-Zionist Network
Middle East Children’s Alliance
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Endorsements
Groups:
14 Friends of Palestine
Asociación Al-Quds de Solidaridad con los Pueblos del Mundo Árabe
American Jews for a Just Peace
Baltimore Jews For Human Rights
Birthright Unplugged
Break the Silence Mural Project
Build Bridges Not Walls: Grandparents for Peace in the Middle East
Canadian Arab Federation
Coalition Against Israeli Apartheid- Victoria
Emory Advocates for Justice in Palestine
Flashpoints Radio
Global Women’s Strike
HammerHard MediaWorks
Hampshire College Students for Justice in Palestine
Ireland Palestine Solidarity Campaign
Jewish French Union for Peace/Union Juive Francaise por la Paix
Jewish Voice for a Just Peace in the Near East (Austria)
Justice for Palestinians
Labor for Palestinian
Malcolm X Grassroots Movement
Movement to End Israeli Apartheid- Georgia
New Orleans Palestine Solidarity
New York City Labor Against the War
The One Democratic State Group- Gaza
Not In Our Name: Jews Opposing Zionism
Opposition to War and Occupation
Palestine Freedom of Expression (PFEX)
Palestine Solidarity Group
Palestinian BNC
Palestinian Community Centre of Toronto
Palestine Society at the School of Oriental and African Studies (London)
Payday Men’s Network
Philadelphia Jews for a Just Peace
Project South
Queers Against Israeli Apartheid
Riot Folk Collective
Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign
The Shondes
Students for Justice in Palestine – University of Illinois at Chicago
Toronto Coalition to Stop the War
Trade Union Friends of Palestine, Ireland
United States Palestinian Community Network
War Times/Tiempo de Guerras
Women in Black- The Netherlands
Women in Black- Vienna
Individuals:
Max Ajl, Jewbonics blogger
Anna Baltzer, author and activist for Palestinian human rights
Tim Wise, anti-racist author and educator
Yemach Sh’mam Ve’zichram.