Anti-Israel Galloway beaten in street attack

Controversial British MP George Galloway who declared city in UK ‘Israel-free zone’ taken to hospital suffering suspected broken jaw after he was assaulted in a London street; MP’s spokesman says assailant ‘shouted about the Holocaust’ before beating him.

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Galloway following assault in photo posted on Twitter by the Respect party. (Photograph: @ukrespectparty/Twitter/PA)

George Galloway, a British lawmaker known for his anti-Israel positions, was taken to a hospital with a suspected broken jaw after he was assaulted in a London street.

The Respect Party MP for Bradford West sustained a suspected broken rib and bruising to his face in the attack which occurred on Friday evening as he posed for pictures with people in the Ladbroke Grove area.

Galloway following assault in photo posted on Twitter by the Respect party. (Photograph: @ukrespectparty/Twitter/PA)

A man shouted a comment about the Holocaust and attacked the MP, the 60-year-old’s spokesman said.

“George was posing for pictures with people and this guy just attacked him, leapt on him and started punching him,” said the spokesman.

“It appears to be connected with his comments about Israel because the guy was shouting about the Holocaust.”

Galloway was interviewed by police earlier this month following a speech in Leeds in which he claimed Bradford was an Israeli-free area.

Galloway was questioned voluntarily following complaints made after he urged his constituents to boycott Israeli goods, services, academics and tourists in a speech he made on August 2. His spokesman said he cooperated with police.

Galloway had described himself as being in “pretty bad shape” following the assault Friday, the spokesman said.

A Metropolitan Police spokesman said: “Police were called at approximately 1940 hours to Golborne Road, W10, after a man was assaulted in the street.

“Officers attended. The suspect was found a short time later and stopped.

“He was arrested on suspicion of ABH (actual bodily harm) and taken to the south London police station where he remains.”

 

 

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  1. woolymammoth Said:

    This violent act may turn the tide in his favor and sweep him into the spotlight

    The train has left Mr. Galloway alone at the station. He neither Arab, or Muslim. Isis eat his lunch!!!!!!!!!!!

  2. dweller Said:

    Like Shoher, you’re just imposing your own warped agenda on the scripture.”

    Agenda? 🙂

    Well it ain’t your stinking book (NT) but it is mine (Tanach).

    Take good heed therefore unto yourselves, that ye love the LORD your God. 12 Else if ye do in any wise go back, and cleave unto the remnant of these nations, even these that remain among you, and make marriages with them, and go in unto them, and they to you; 13 know for a certainty that the LORD your God will no more drive these nations from out of your sight; but they shall be a snare and a trap unto you, and a scourge in your sides, and pricks in your eyes, until ye perish from off this good land which the LORD your God hath given you. Joshua Chapter
    23

    Jews punished for not obeying the commandment to destroy the inhabitants of the land conquered and not conquered.

    Psalm 106:
    34 They did not destroy the peoples, as the LORD commanded them;

    In Ethannan, Ekev and Shoftim there are unambiguous divine instructions to wipe out all the Canaanites – men, women and children. The operative verses are –

    Deuteronomy, chapter 7
    6: “For you are a people holy to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for his own possession, out of all the peoples that are on the face of the earth.
    16: And you shall destroy all the peoples that the LORD your God will give over to you, your eye shall not pity them; neither shall you serve their gods, for that would be a snare to you.

    Deuteronomy, chapter 20

    16: But in the cities of these peoples that the LORD your God gives you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes,
    17: but you shall utterly destroy them, the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Per’izzites, the Hivites and the Jeb’usites, as the LORD your God has commanded;
    18: that they may not teach you to do according to all their abominable practices which they have done in the service of their gods, and so to sin against the LORD your God.

    Joshua, chapter 11

    10: And Joshua turned back at that time, and took Hazor, and smote its king with the sword; for Hazor formerly was the head of all those kingdoms.
    11: And they put to the sword all who were in it, utterly destroying them; there was none left that breathed, and he burned Hazor with fire.
    12: And all the cities of those kings, and all their kings, Joshua took, and smote them with the edge of the sword, utterly destroying them, as Moses the servant of the LORD had commanded.
    13: But none of the cities that stood on mounds did Israel burn, except Hazor only; that Joshua burned.
    14: And all the spoil of these cities and the cattle, the people of Israel took for their booty; but every man they smote with the edge of the sword, until they had destroyed them, and they did not leave any that breathed.
    35 But mingled themselves with the nations, and learned their works;
    36 And they served their idols, which became a snare unto them;
    37 Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto demons,
    38 And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan; {N}
    and the land was polluted with blood.
    39 Thus were they defiled with their works, and went astray in their doings.
    40 Therefore was the wrath of the LORD kindled against His people, and He abhorred His inheritance.
    41 And He gave them into the hand of the nations; and they that hated them ruled over them.
    42 Their enemies also oppressed them, and they were subdued under their hand.

    Read all of Deut 20 especially: 16-17

    Howbeit of the cities of these peoples, that the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth, but thou shalt utterly destroy them: the Hittite, and the Amorite, the Canaanite, and the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee;

    In 7:1-2, 7:16, the command to doom the Canaanites is clearly unconditional and offering them terms of submission is prohibited. That 20:15-18 is also meant unconditionally is indicated by its opening clause, “Thus you shall deal with all towns that lie very far from you,” that is, with foreign, non-Canaanite cities. “Thus” refers back to verse 10, which requires Israel to offer to spare cities that surrender. Verses 15-17 indicate that this offer is made only to cities outside the promised land and that the Canaanites in the land are to be denied this option. This interpretation of the law is consistent with Joshua 6-11, according to which surrender was not offered to the cities of Canaan when Joshua conquered them.

    It is clear from 7:1-2 and 16 that Deuteronomy’s demand for proscription of the Canaanites is indeed unconditional. The rabbis’ and others who reject this view do so as reflection of their own sensibilities.

  3. dweller Said:

    Still no evidence,
    Then why was there NEVER any attempt — of any kind or measure (even after they’d been conquered) — to exterminate OR expel the Philistines (who were far outnumbered by the Israelites)?

    Hey AH, I supplied you with links: https://www.israpundit.org/archives/63599593/comment-page-1#comment-63356000137371

    Evidence? The commandments exist but not followed except partially and even that was accomplished over many generations throughout the period of the Judges and Kings.

    Most of the problems the Jews faced can be laid at the feet of the failure to eliminate the natives from the Land of Israel.

    Then the Jews never had sufficient military power and sufficient political sovereignty to accomplish total conquest of the land as the Torah directed. The Jews settled the infertile highlands and the stronger more advanced natives the fertile valleys and coastal plains. Not even all the tribes joined in the fight (Judg.5:15c-18).At times they turned against each other, as evidenced by the war against the tribe of Benjamin (Judg. 20). Sometimes they won; sometimes they lost. They seldom were able to defeat superior military technology, such as the armored chariots of the Canaanites who dominated the plains. Only in the hill country where chariots were unsuited to the terrain were the Jews somewhat successful. This meant that the Canaanites continued to control the most fertile land and the camel caravan routes.

    The story of the Book of Judges is about the ongoing struggles for the land.

    Lord said to Joshua, “You are old and advanced in years, and very much of the land still remains to be possessed” (13:1). To add emphasis, the areas still to be taken are listed in detail. The statement that Joshua was old suggests that a long time was necessary for the warfare. Furthermore, in later chapters we learn that various non-Hebrew groups continued to occupy the land: the Jebusites in Jerusalem (15:63); the Canaanites in Gezer (16:10); the Canaanites in lands allotted to the tribe of Manasseh (17:12); and the Canaanites who militarily dominated the plains (17:16). The Book of Judges presents a similar picture. We learn from these passages that not all the land was taken, and not all the people were killed.

    Actionable conformity to biblical commandments always is tempered with the ability to execute them and where there is no ability there is no accountability, but the commandment still exists as does the principle.

    In an action ratified by G-d Himself, Moses orders Joshua to assemble a strike force to attack the nation of Amalek (see Ex. 17:8-16); and, at G-d’s explicit Command (see Num. 1:1 – 2:34), Moses takes a census of the tribes (other than Levi) and turns the Israelites into an organized military force that subsequently makes war against the Amorite kingdoms ruled by Sichon of Cheshbon and Og of Bashan (see Num. 21:21-35; Deut. 2:26 – 3:10) and against the nation of Midian (see Num. 25:16-18 and 31:1-20) — and all this before the returning Israelites even cross the Jordan River in order to physically dispossess the Canaanite nations from the Land of Israel.

    G-d, acting through Moses, also declares that Israel’s enemies are, by definition, His enemies, thereby imposing upon the nation of Israel a national Mitzvah to physically destroy its enemies (– “HaShem spoke to Moses, saying, ‘Take Vengeance for the Children of Israel against the Midianites …'”, but: “Moses spoke to the people, saying, ‘… inflict HaShem’s Vengeance against Midian.'” (Num. 31:2-3) –). In fact, so great is the Mitzvah of making war against Midian that G-d Himself grants to the participating troops a disproportionately high reward for performing it — fully one half of the acquired spoils (see Num. 31:25-27), meaning that, on a per capita basis, each participant in the War received a much larger share of the spoils than did each non-participant therein; and — as additional evidence of the high regard with which G-d views participation in the national Mitzvah of making war upon Israel’s enemies — the tribute required by G-d from the participating troops’ share of the spoils (namely, two tenths of one percent thereof) is only one tenth of the tribute required by G-d from the non-participating populace’s share of the spoils (namely, two percent thereof) (see Num. 31:28-30). Moreover, Moses issues a stern rebuke to those Hebrew tribes whom he suspects of shirking their national Torah obligation to join with their fellow tribes in seizing the Land of Israel from its Canaanite occupants. As the Torah relates: “Moses said to the Children of Gad and the Children of Reuben, ‘Shall your brothers go to war while you stay here? Why do you dissuade the heart of the Children of Israel from crossing to the Land that HaShem has given to them?'” (Num. 32:6-7). And G-d Himself declares: “‘… You shall not stand aside while your fellow’s blood is shed — I am HaShem. … You shall love your fellow (Jew) as yourself — I am HaShem.'” (Lev. 19:16-18).

    Finally, the Torah declares the laws of military conscription and war in anticipation of the Israelites’ imminent invasion of the Land of Israel (see Deut. 20:1-19). This Instruction follows the imposition by G-d upon the Jewish people in perpetuity of the following national Mitzvah: “‘See, I have given the Land before you; come and possess the Land that HaShem swore to your forefathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give to them and to their offspring after them.'” (Deut. 1:8). After the death of Moses, Joshua becomes the leader of the Israelites, and the entire Book of Joshua deals with the Israelite conquest and settlement of the Land at G-d’s behest. And, finally, King David, progenitor of the Messiah, spends most of his life physically defending (and even expanding) the borders of the Land of Israel. Clearly, anyone who refuses to participate in the physical defense of the Land of Israel falsifies and denies the Torah and, by extension, the Author of the Torah.

    Today the religious Zionists understand this, and that is precisely why they carry the double banner of the Torah and the Sword.

  4. @ dweller:

    Oh dweller, the anti-Christ of rationality!
    ….
    I seem to have shattered your world into shards of cut-n-paste.
    You’ve made so many clever, perfectly tailored, airtight stitched up arguments, you are sure you have the earth hidden from the sun.

    But there is one thing you didn’t count on! I have a free get-out-of-arguments-with-fools card!
    I got it with the prerogative of common sense.
    It’s OK for an angry Jew to bust a Nazi in the Jaw. Also, you could use a little beotch-slapping by an angry Jew. It might help you find your common sense which you lost somewhere between your head and your feet.
    If you are so worried about the whole thing, you can always send Galloway a get well card and apologize for the Jews total lack of judgement and deportment in this matter.

  5. @ yamit82:

    “The case of the Gibeonites supports the general principle that Jews must not leave any aborigines in the land they conquer.”

    “Curiously, Obadiah Shoher {Samson Blinded} — from whom you lifted the statement verbatim (along with the rest of his little essay) — neglected to show how a matter as significant as this was understood to be eternal, applicable in ALL ages, all circumstances

    — despite the fact that the cited text says not a word to that effect.

    Like Shoher, you’re just imposing your own warped agenda on the scripture.”

    “Well christian here is my authority: and it’s not my opinion “

    Quite so. THIS time you lifted it (also verbatim) from Tzvi Fishman’s take on Nachmanides. Still no evidence, however, that you do your own thinking (let alone, your own writing).

    “This Land is not to be left in the hands of the Seven Nations, or in the hands of any other nation, in any generation whatsoever…”

    Then why was there NEVER any attempt — of any kind or measure (even after they’d been conquered) — to exterminate OR expel the Philistines (who were far outnumbered by the Israelites)?

    Nor was there ever even any TALK of destroying or removing them. The Plishtim REMAINED in their 5 poli in the south coastal plain until they were eventually absorbed by (mostly) Judah — several hundreds of years after David’s passing.

    It’s obvious that the notion that the Land was not to be left “in the hands of ANY other nation” represents a misreading of the command.

    “…this is a positive commandment which applies at every time”

    WHAT is a “positive commandment which applies at every time”?

    To take the land?

    Or to exterminate/expel its existing populace?

    Which?

    You may not freely conflate the two propositions.

    The Seven Nations of Joshua’s day were to be destroyed or removed not only because the Land was B’nai Israel’s — but ALSO because those nations were condemned by the Almighty explicitly for their own flagrant & inveterate DEGENERACY (and to which end, Israel was haShem’s instrumentality).

    But you may not assume that ALL such existing denizens of the Land — at any time, and in any circumstance — are, ipso facto, similarly condemned. There is simply no basis for such an assumption. . . .

    Except for somebody with a personal agenda.

  6. @ Max:

    Again, you miss the point. As I noted above, he was no longer nearly as visible as he had FORMERLY been. George Galloway was effectively a has-been — until this little episode (which makes it all-the-more suspicious).

    Ask yourself: are these lumps & bumps (whoever delivered them) likely to make him LESS visible or MORE?”

    “I think you are from the Ministry of Silly Talks.”

    Really? — they told you this, did they?

    “Galloway is an Islamo-Nazi Propagandist.”

    Yes, with a limited (and declining) following — until now.

    “I detect in your speech pattern you don’t talk with the sincerity that comes from experience…”

    Yeah, I used to get that quite a lot, Max, from people who turned out to be agents provocateurs.

    — Usually of the hard-lefty pedigree, but occasionally from other politically contrivant quarters as well.

    “…your head is in the clouds far removed from the ground… .”

    Well, of course my head is “far removed from the ground.” The ground is where my feet are.

    So long as the two are connected to each other (via the body in between them), it’s better THAT way than

    head in the ground, feet in the clouds.

    “your head is far removed from… any solid understanding of the society around you”

    You’re long on assessments.

    — Short on evidence. (That’s your typical M-O, it seems.)

    “It’s [Galloway’s] full time job -he’s always there just the same as usual , no ‘formerly’ about it.”

    No ‘formerly’ about his job, no.

    But I didn’t SAY he wasn’t still an MP.

    What I said was that he no longer had the former degree of VISIBILITY; of influence. The issue was not his job; the issue was his reach.

    His profile had sunk substantially in recent years. This incident, however, will very likely bring him back into the news — and it may well have been contrived to do just that.

    “Nazis can’t be martyrs.”

    Of course not, and I didn’t suggest they could.

    — What they can do, however, is POSE as ‘martyrs,’ and thereby derive unwarranted sympathy & support for themselves and their agenda from episodes like this one.

    You’ve created a straw man out of what I said, Max. . . . (If you aren’t an agent provocateur, you’ve most certainly managed to acquire the habits of one. Wonder how that happened.)

    “Enough of the Nevile Chamberlain attitudes.”

    And what “Nevile Chamberlain attitudes” would those be?

    Loose language is the stock-in-trade of a demagogue. In that respect, you share something in common with Galloway.

    — Define, please, your term, “Nevile Chamberlain attitudes.”

  7. Max Said:

    I don’t ever remember seeing any “national outcry” when Jews have been attacked in the West. Usually it is attributed to the lone gunman of uncertain ethnic origin and forgotten about quite quickly.

    This true. But, I think there is a problem when every thing is seen in the showdown of 1933 and Nazis ?

  8. @ dweller:

    The Mitzvah of Settling the Land of Israel


    THE MITZVAH TO DWELL IN ERETZ ISRAEL

    BS’D
    THE MITZVAH TO DWELL IN ERETZ ISRAEL (A COMPILATION)
    “For Zion’s sake I will not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem’s sake I will not rest, until her righteousness goes forth like radiance, and her salvation like a burning torch.”

    2- “And the nations shall see your righteousness, and all kings your glory; and you shall be called by a new name, which the mouth of Hashem shall express”. (Isaiah 62: 1-2)

    “Dwelling in Eretz Israel is the equivalent of all the Mitzvot in the Torah (Sifrei, Parashat Ree)
    THE MITZVAH: COME AND POSSES THE LAND

  9. Roger Scruton on Rotherham: Taking Revenge on Traditional Britain
    Here the burden for explaining these transformations has been to document the critical importance (necessary condition) of the rise of Jews as a hostile elite alienated from traditional social orders of the West
    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2014/08/roger-scruton-on-rotherham-taking-revenge-on-traditional-britain/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+theoccidentalobserver%2Ffeed+%28The+Occidental+Observer%29#comment-205801

    this article from a british far right blog shows how the left, the muslims and the fascists can agree on one thing: “the Jews did it”. the far right blames the leftist Jewish elites for the PC policies which enable the muslim gang rapes. All tied up in a neat bow.
    this article, and comments, has found a way to blame the Jews for Muslim gang rapes. Now I have heard everything. the Jews should understand that there are no allies in Europe.

  10. dweller Said:

    neglected to show how a matter as significant as this was understood to be eternal, applicable in ALL ages, all circumstances

    — despite the fact that the cited text says not a word to that effect.

    Like Shoher, you’re just imposing your own warped agenda on the scripture.

    Well christian here is my authority: and it’s not my opinion it is basic and most primary precept of Judaism in a national context. Therefore the State of Israel is a commandment of the Torah.

    Note: Sovereignty over a country means having an army, a government, courts, an economic system, etc. By commanding us to rule over the Land of Israel, the Torah commands us to establish a State a collective polity.

    “We were commanded to inherit this Land which the G-d of Israel gave to our Forefathers, to Avraham, Yitzhak, and Yaacov, and not to abandon it to the hands of other nations, or abandon it to desolation. Hashem said to them, ‘To inherit the Land and dwell there, for to you I have given the Land to possess, and you shall inherit the Land that I swore to your Forefathers’ – behold, we are commanded with its conquest in every generation (Ramban, Supplement to Sefer HaMitzvot of the Rambam, Positive Commandment 4).

    The Ramban continues:

    “This is what our Sages call ‘Milchemet Mitzvah,’ an obligatory war. This Land is not to be left in the hands of the Seven Nations, or in the hands of any other nation, in any generation whatsoever…this is a positive commandment which applies at every time” (Ramban).

    The Ramban concludes:

    “And the proof that this is a Torah commandment is this – they were told in the matter of the Spies, ‘Go up and conquer the Land as Hashem has said to you. Don’t fear, and don’t be discouraged.’ And further it says, ‘And when the L-rd sent you from Kadesh Barnea saying, Go up and possess the Land which I gave you, and you rebelled against the L-rd your G-d, and you did not believe in me, and did not listen to this command’”.

    All of the early and later Torah authorities, the Rishonim and Achronim, decide the law in this fashion on the basis of the Ramban that the precept of conquering the Land applies in all generations, and all of the agree that it is a commandment of the Torah (Shuchan Oruch, Pitchei T’shuva, Evan HaEzer, 75:6).

    In addition to the more general Torah commandment to take possession of the land of Israel, the Torah warns: “Do not allow them to reside in your land” (Exodus 23:33). The Rambam (Hilkhot Avoda Zara 10:6) explains that when we have the power it is forbidden to allow any non- Jew to reside in our land (with the exception of a “Ger Toshav” – a resident alien who has accepted some of the laws of Judaism).

    To whom does this prohibition apply? Only a non-Jew who, before a court, professes faith in the G-d of Israel and takes upon himself to observe the seven commandments of Noah’s descendants, is considered a Ger Toshav who is permitted to live in Israel.

    The Torah also exhorts: “…do not give them any consideration” (Deuteronomy 7:2), and the Sages interpret this to mean that it is forbidden to provide non-Jews with any sort of foothold upon the soil of the land of Israel (Avodah Zara 20a). This prohibition compliments the previously dealt-with proscription against allowing them “to reside in your land”: it is the obligation of the entire Jewish people to uphold the “residence“ prohibition; the “foothold” prohibition, on the other hand, warns each and every individual Jew not to sell a house or lot of land to any non-Jew who is not a Ger Toshav. It follows that it is forbidden to give any portion whatsoever to Arabs who do not uphold the seven Noahide laws. Regarding this interdiction there is consensus among authorities that it applies to all non-Jews and not just to the “seven nations,” and if it is forbidden to sell them a single house, how much more so to give them large portions of the land of Israel.

  11. The Telegram is complaining there is not enough anti-Semitic/Anti-Israel protest over the Galloway assault.

    They are doing the typical terrorist reversal of values here:

    Peter Oborne is the Daily Telegraph’s chief political commentator.
    Why the silence over the assault on George Galloway?

    Had an MP been attacked by some pro-Palestinian fanatic for his support of Israel, I guess there would have been a national outcry and rightly so. Why then the silence from the mainstream establishment following this latest outrageous assault on a British politician?

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peteroborne/100284716/why-the-silence-over-the-assault-on-george-galloway/

    Peter Oborne I guess we know who is the anti-Semite in charge at the Telegram.

    I don’t ever remember seeing any “national outcry” when Jews have been attacked in the West. Usually it is attributed to the lone gunman of uncertain ethnic origin and forgotten about quite quickly.

  12. dweller Said:

    Again, you miss the point. As I noted above, he was no longer nearly as visible as he had FORMERLY been. George Galloway was effectively a has-been — until this little episode (which makes it all-the-more suspicious.

    I think you are from the Ministry of Silly Talks.
    Galloway is an Islamo-Nazi Propagandist. I detect in your speech pattern you don’t talk with the sincerity that comes from experience – your head is in the clouds far removed from the ground or any solid understanding of the society around you.

    It’s his full time job -he’s always there just the same as usual , no “formerly” about it.
    Nazis can’t be martyrs.
    It’s not a sin to punch a genocidal Nazi in the jaw – the sin is to leave him alive.
    They continue the propaganda hate no matter what.
    Enough of the Nevile Chamberlain attitudes.

  13. @ yamit82:

    “The case of the Gibeonites supports the general principle that Jews must not leave any aborigines in the land they conquer.”

    Curiously, Obadiah Shoher {Samson Blinded} — from whom you lifted the statement verbatim (along with the rest of his little essay) — neglected to show how a matter as significant as this was understood to be eternal, applicable in ALL ages, all circumstances

    — despite the fact that the cited text says not a word to that effect.

    Like Shoher, you’re just imposing your own warped agenda on the scripture.

  14. @ yamit82:

    “[Dweller] sees everything via his version of yeshuism a belief that intelligence—the source of evil and suffering.”

    LMSS. I would never ascribe your sufferings to ‘intelligence.’

    Quite the contrary, in fact.

  15. @ Eric R.:

    “The point was that Galloway is presently a nobody. He’s got a loud mouth & a grotesque mind, but he’s a nobody — whose star was apparently waning at the time the news story broke — and this little episode could well have been a set-up to bring him back into the public eye, and make himself APPEAR like a ‘martyr.’

    But whether the incident was a set-up or not, if it gets him substantial support, sympathy & acclaim, it could project him onto a much larger canvas — where he would still be the lowlife he is but with now greatly enhanced power & influence.”

    “In MY MIND, you are wrong to call him a nobody – he is very visible on the Marxo-fascist, Jew-hating, Jew-killing left.”

    Again, you miss the point. As I noted above, he was no longer nearly as visible as he had FORMERLY been. George Galloway was effectively a has-been — until this little episode (which makes it all-the-more suspicious.

    Ask yourself: are these lumps & bumps (whoever delivered them) likely to make him LESS visible or MORE?

    “However, if you don’t like my analogy…”

    What I don’t like (or have no use for) is counter-factual history, because that kind of “what if” question is just as myopic a means of looking backwards as the use of a crystal ball to look AHEAD. Those who indulge themselves in speculations like you propose have no way of allowing for the configuration of all the coinciding events (overwhelmingly unknown ones) which go into the creation of what actually occurs.

    If you’re into analogies, then a more constructive question to ask is, “who benefited MOST from the Reichstag fire of February 1933?”

  16. October 10, 2010, National Post:
    “I read that George Galloway has challenged Immigration and Citizenship Minister Jason Kenney to five rounds of boxing,” wrote Michael Devolin. “I also was a boxer in my youth, and I hereby challenge ‘Gorgeous George’ Galloway to five rounds. Anywhere, anytime. The sooner the better. Let’s get it on.”

  17. SHmuel HaLevi 2 Said:

    I have no interest on dancing about the subject. Enemies shall be destroyed, nothing else delivers the message. NO to considerations of any kind.

    THREE WARNINGS FROM THE G-D OF ISRAEL TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE REGARDING GENTILE CLAIMANTS TO THE LAND OF ISRAEL:

    “‘Beware of what I command you Today: Behold, I will drive out before you the Amorite, the Canaanite, the Hittite, the Perizzite, the Hivvite, and the Jebusite. Be vigilant not to seal a covenant with the inhabitants of the Land to which you are coming, since they will be a fatal trap for you.'” (Exodus 34:11-12)

    “HaShem spoke to Moses in the plains of Moab, by the Jordan [River], at Jericho, saying, ‘Speak to the Children of Israel and say to them, “When you cross the Jordan [River] to the Land of Canaan, you shall drive out all the inhabitants of the Land from before you; and you shall destroy all their prostration stones; all their molten images shall you destroy; and all their high places shall you demolish. You shall possess the Land, and you shall settle in it; for, to you have I given the Land to possess it. … But if you do not drive out the inhabitants of the Land from before you, those of them whom you leave shall be pins in your eyes and thorns in your sides, and they will harass you upon the Land in which you dwell. And it shall be that what I had meant to do to them, I shall do to you.”‘” (Numbers 33:50-56)

    “They [Children of Israel] provoked Me with a non-god, angered Me with their vanities; so shall I provoke them with a non-people, with a vile nation shall I anger them.” (Deuteronomy 32:21)

    The **Gibeonites had to pretend that they were from far lands in order to make peace with Joshua. When the Jews realized that they had been fooled, Joshua pressed the Gibeonites into servitude.

    Nevertheless, Joshua 11:19-20 states that no town sought peace with the Jews because G-d hardened their hearts. The case of the Gibeonites supports the general principle that Jews must not leave any aborigines in the land they conquer. Presumably, the aborigines belonged to the six or seven tribes specifically proscribed, but in any case none of the previous inhabitants could remain in the land. The peace, therefore, could only be one of exile: the natives could leave our land peacefully or be killed. G-d, however, did not want the peaceful option. He hardened their hearts so that the Jews would exterminate them.

    How do we know that the aborigines must have sought peace before the start of hostilities? In Joshua 13:13, and elsewhere, it says that several native clans remained in the land. The Jews, the author laments, did not drive them out.

    He does not entertain the possibility of peace with them because by that time the option of peace has already closed, since the Jews had started their conquest. The option to expel rather than exterminate exists only for towns beyond the Land of Israel proper. We can expel natives in expansionist wars, but must exterminate them inside our own borders, says the Tanach.

    The pre-conquest inhabitants of Gibeon, the Gibeonites, were Hivites according to Joshua 10:12 and Joshua 11:19, or Amorites according to 2 Samuel 21:2.

  18. SHmuel HaLevi 2 Said:

    You Dweller are either confused or agenda driven or both.

    BINGO!!!!!

    He is also a SICKO!!!!!

    Very into evil demons, goblins and other forms of devils….
    and sees everything via his version of yeshuism a belief that intelligence—the source of evil and suffering. 🙂

  19. dweller Said:

    The point was that Galloway is presently a nobody. He’s got a loud mouth & a grotesque mind, but he’s a nobody

    Good, and maybe the Mossad (or Shin Bet, whatever) should get rid of him while (in your mind, at least) he is STILL a nobody.

    In MY MIND, you are wrong to call him a nobody – he is very visible on the Marxo-fascist, Jew-hating, Jew-killing left.

    However, if you don’t like my analogy, then change the year on the assasination of Hitler to 1922. Then the analogy fits.

  20. @ dweller:
    Enjoy the Labor Day festivities.
    No. I have no interest on dancing about the subject. Enemies shall be destroyed, nothing else delivers the message. NO to considerations of any kind.

  21. @ SHmuel HaLevi 2:

    “Perhaps Eric will allow me a few words here… You Dweller are either confused or agenda driven or both.”

    Neither.

    What I am is thoroughly rational (a growing rarity, it seems).

    I have no problem with doing away with the “rubber bullet” approach.

    I do, however, see a problem — and a serious one, if I may say so — with the myopic view which holds that the pleasure of playing to one’s own spleen will somehow keep evil from EXPLOITING it to its own ends. Experience, alas, has shown that it doesn’t work that way.

    I rather suspect that Galloway will come out of this politically strengthened, sad-to-say.

    Will be back after Labor Day (today is still Aug 31, stateside), if you still want to bat this around.

  22. @ dweller:
    Perhaps Eric will allow me a few words here…
    You Dweller are either confused or agenda driven or both.
    Israeli Jews in general and a growing number of “us” in particular have had it with the “rubber bullet” idiocy and will again kill enemies. We also decide who is what we call “ba’al mavet”. Marked for death. Enemies that in any way threaten, plan or actually attack Jews, will, if at all possible, die. We make no distinction as to the origin or label of the items in question.
    Not after the garbage kill some of us, but according to our Biblical injunction, BEFORE they do it.
    Some of the Diaspora Jews adopted a copy of the “other cheek” concept, to their massive regret. We utterly reject that.
    As to the specific Brutish fellow.
    The ghastly scum is a classic by product of perfidious Albion and as such he is “entitled”… to be destroyed. “Ba’al mavet”. He was lucky that it was a local so it appears that attended to him.
    As a soldier in war I made sure that the maximum number of enemies received my MAG machine gun attention. Dozens did. And I would not for a moment hesitate to do it again.
    Does the above clarify things for you and others Dweller?
    I can give further details if you still doubt that what I say is fact.
    Be well.

  23. @ Eric R.:

    “Please, will the self-righteous posters here of the ‘it’s a bad idea to beat him, it will turn him into a martyr’ idea actually turn their brains on for a moment?

    Would it have been bad to turn Hitler [+ all the usual suspects] into a martyr in [all the familiar instances]?”

    Your analogy doesn’t cut it, you are confused over the meaning of the word “martyr,” and the self-righteousness here is strictly your own.

    The point was that Galloway is presently a nobody. He’s got a loud mouth & a grotesque mind, but he’s a nobody — whose star was apparently waning at the time the news story broke — and this little episode could well have been a set-up to bring him back into the public eye, and make himself APPEAR like a ‘martyr.’

    But whether the incident was a set-up or not, if it gets him substantial support, sympathy & acclaim, it could project him onto a much larger canvas — where he would still be the lowlife he is but with now greatly enhanced power & influence .

    “The only way to get such idiots to stop is to get them to f**king fear you!”

    Wrong. That may give you a bit of short-term emotional satisfaction, but as I’ve shown, it’s ultimately counter-productive.

    The rational way to weaken & destroy demagogues is to cut their base of support out from under them. A demagogue without a following is nothing more than a dried-out tumbleweed in the wind.

    But making such creatures into (pseudo-)martyrs only ties that support base all-the-more tightly to them and dangerously expands their reach.

  24. Hi SHmuel HaLevi 2

    “I am curious to know what are the accepted triggers that justify violence against enemies.”

    Your very existence is the trigger. The existance of any non-Muslims in the Middle East is a trigger. How dare you exist?

    Muslims are wiping out anyone who is not a Muslim throughout the Middle East, The Yazedis, various Christian Groups etc. and yet we are expected to weep for the so called Palestinians when a non-Muslim nation (Israel) fights back. I wish the The Yazedis, and the various Christian Groups would fight back.

    Last week on British Streets I witnessed groups of Muslim youths (of Pakistani origin) walking around the shopping centre wrapped in Palestinian flags, intimidating the locals. A fake flag invented by Russian propagandists in November 1988 for a fake people renamed Palestinians (a name previously reserved for Jews) in 1963. Before 1963 they were called Arabs.Compare that with the Israeli flag invented about 3,500 years ago.

    Again last week the British Press press was up in arms about a 40ft container in which 35 Afghan Sikhs had smuggled themselves into the UK from Muslim dominated Afghanistan to escape persecution as “infidels” from Muslim savages. One poor guy suffocated to death in the container.
    http://tinyurl.com/kq4wodj

    Your heart should be warmed that Hindus and Sikhs are on the same side as Israel having had to put up with Muslim behavior since the Indian sub continent was invaded by Islamic savages 1400 years. The total of Indian dead from the intrusion of Islam is 83 million in that 1400 years. Another holocaust for Islam to deny.
    http://www.hinduwebsite.com/history/holocaust.asp

    Opinion is turning in your favour in Europe. Islam is Cr*pping on it’s own doorstep. People know that Israel is fighting the enemy that they will one day have to fight.

  25. @ Bill Badger:
    I am curious to know what are the accepted triggers that justify violence against enemies.
    In fact why not setting up a violence threshold defining panel.
    A published manual should be put for sale once the violence or lack thereof listings are defined.
    Each of the enemies words, acts, plans listed and corresponding valid reaction as well.
    Meanwhile, I will use my old and reliable yard stick.
    Archpriest of Hita, Spain, circa 1100…
    “A D.os rogando
    e con el palo dando”…

  26. Please, will the self-righteous posters here of the “it’s a bad idea to beat him, it will turn him into a martyr” idea actually turn their brains on for a moment?

    Would it have been bad to turn Hitler into a martyr in 1933?

    Would it have been bad to turn Stalin into a martyr in 1924?

    Would it have been bad to turn Mao into a martyr in 1932?

    Would it have been bad to turn binLaden into a martyr in 1990?

    Would it have been bad to turn Arafat into a martyr in 1964?

    Would it be bad to turn the entire Iranian leadership into martyrs today?

    The only way to get such idiots to stop is to get them to f**king fear you!

  27. @ woolymammoth:
    We still had a winning military then but the first signs of softening started.
    We were in the first wave in as the start caught our regiment while we were in training, (Miluim).
    It was sharp but not long. Our commander, Sgan Aluf Hamzii, Druze and staff formed a very hard fighting core.
    After a week up front we were re posted at Machanaim for RR and support roles.
    Among the support roles and since I was also then a Sperry Military Systems rep, Engineering, Israel co production, I was drafted to re stock AH-64’s on their way up North.

  28. @ SHmuel HaLevi 2:I remember the operation, “Peace for Galilee” very well. I was at kibbutz Ramat Yochanan and Shaalvim. There was a base nearby Shaalvim (Gezer) and I always saw Cobra helicopter gunships flying low in training.
    Israel won that war and it was a hard fought brilliant campaign. Yours was a just cause…and you triumphed! Too bad PM Barak withdrew in the middle of the night and doomed Israel to Hezbollah. If that was not bad enough, arafat and his precious plo were herded on ships and ferryed to Tunis, where they should have remained. It took the repugnant peres and rabin to invite the plo back, giving them weapons money and a theoretical state? Sure galloway, but who was responsible for the death of more Israelis? How could Israelis have elected Peres their President? Galloway is just an opportunist trying to make Jews angry enough to punch him in the jaw. Stupid move by a numbskull.

  29. @ SHmuel HaLevi 2:
    Mar SHmuel HaLevi, your points are in place.
    It is too bad that Israel chose, or rather former PM Barak decided to withdraw from Southern Lebanon. It is a disgrace what Barak did, the hasty withdrawal at night, and proves his incompetence for all time. Barak did more harm than Galloway, The Gadfly. I do not think hezbollah would be in Lebanon today if Israel had remained in place in Lebanon. It should have been annexed to Israel. The world would be a safer place today.
    Operation Peace for Galilee was excellent. It received unfair media coverage, of course. I liked the images of The DEFEATED plo and their repugnant leader, ratso, when they were were herded on ships and ferryed out to Tunis. Why were they ever allowed back. Galloway is a schmuck and Galloways are a dime a dozen, but peres, he is The Item. What did peres do to coerce Rabin into signing Oslo…blackmail…drugs….hypnotics??? Oslo was a crime. Please… Galloway is a nut. Time will tell the damage incured by the community for a few hours of satisfaction.

  30. Very Interesting comments at the bottom of this Daily Mail (UK Newspaper) Blog Article
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2738230/Attacker-breaks-George-Galloway-s-jaw-street.html

    The top comment has 3287 upticks compared to 632 downticks (probably from his Muslim power base)

    Other comments:
    That horrible little quisling provokes anger in every logical thinking being!

    If you keep shooting your mouth off you’re going to get a reaction from someone eventually.

    “We don¿t even want any Israeli tourists to come to Bradford”…..who in their right mind would go on holiday to Bradford?!

    Can’t stand the man, this was a long time coming. He is a controversial character who attaches himself to unpopular and at times inflammatory causes although violence against him is totally unjustified and serves no purpose other than allowing him to ‘court’ public sympathy, which he neither needs or deserves.

    ETC

  31. False flag??? Well Maybe. George Galloway (A Scot) has also upset the Scottish Nationalists who are trying to break away from the rest of the UK in a referendum in 14 days time. Someone has been arrested for beating him so we will soon know.

    He has very little support from the normal UK Population. It all comes from the Muslim occupied territories who the Elite are keen to pander to

  32. @ woolymammoth:
    On the contrary WM, I pray the fantastic fellow is Jewish. The garbage pile got away easy. I am a former front line soldier from when we did not have Oslo infestation of “rubber bullets”. Fought in the original Lebanon war. Our regiment was well known by the enemy.
    We had no prisoner holding facilities.
    If Iwas younger or any of my co soldiers was young, we would gladly take that item out for a long meeting…

  33. I would imagine that the real cause of the injury was from a severe beating by an irate father after catching this pervert with his 5 year old son. The accusation that the attacker was Jewish, was his way of making an embarrassing, and potential legal problem vanish while allowing him to be the victim.

    Very nice lumps and bruises, hope he gets a new beating everyday for the rest of his life.

  34. @ woolymammoth:

    “This violent act may turn the tide in his favor and sweep him into the spotlight. He could win an election based upon that upswell in popular support and doom the community to abuse.”

    That’s what I was thinking, above.

    A few lumps; small price for a demagogue to pay for intense popular support, and even lasting acclaim.

  35. I think it was a bad idea. Although I would wish him all ten plaques , but such methods -is a mistake. Now he will wear a wreath of the “holy martyr for Islam” …

  36. Galloway deserves no sympathy for his conduct. He was marginalized, get it.
    This violent act may turn the tide in his favor and sweep him into the spotlight. He could win an election based upon that upswell in popular support and doom the community to abuse. I hope the asshole who did this is not Jewish. If he was, i hope the community repudiates him in the strongest terms. They will have no frigging choice. Are you nuts, pogroms have been initiated for less than this.

  37. No. Not an intelligent move. Maxillofacial Surgery can fix the bones. So, it was a pin prick. He will milk this thing/retaliate against the community for the rest of his life in ways we can only imagine. The British Jimmy Carter.
    It may have been a false flag assault. Let’s wait until the identity of the perpetrator is revealed.
    We don’t do that kind of shit. That is what sets us apart.
    I vote NO. What if he comes to MY or, gee thanks…now I have to fix him, great.

  38. Sounds to me like Mr Galloway’s making a play to pose as a martyr to his ’cause.’

    And I daresay he’s delighted to have so much cooperation from you folks.

    — Shkoyech. . . .

  39. The attacker failed to finish the job.

    Something of a contemporary motif.

    The attacker will have a great deal of support reaching out to him from the oppressed community of real Britons.

    News Watch ! Follow-up needed!

    Actually the community could turn this to advantage – put up a defense in court of Galloway as a hate monger biog – make a very public spectacle.

  40. A man shouted a comment about the Holocaust and attacked the MP.

    Sure it wasn’t “Allahu Akbar!”?

    Not likely…

    I was kind of hoping that his jaw had been broken in several places; kind of “collateral damage”…

  41. I absolutely agree with all four comments. Giving Jew-haters ‘a good headache they won’t soon forget’ is fabulous. We took garbage from these types for 2,000 yrs. Outrageous. As
    we continue to stand up for ourselves and express outrageous, it will serve a purpose. But sometimes you have to ‘make war to get peace’.

  42. I’ve never used Israpundit to whine about terrorism. And since my key loyalty is to our Jewish nation, I won’t be a hypocrite and complain about Jewish terrorism.

    The fact is, I’m only sorry Galloway’s presumably-Jewish assailant didn’t slip some brass knuckles onto his fist before bashing that guy. A clenched fist is one thing. A clenched fist enhanced with metal armor is guaranteed to give Jew-haters good reason to have a headache they won’t soon forget.

    With any luck, he got his jaw broken and maybe a few teeth went flying.

    Arnold Harris
    Mount Horeb WI

  43. I bet I’m not the only one thinking it, but I’ll be the first to say it:

    Too bad the assailant didn’t kill that vile Islamonazi, Jew-hating scumbag.