Another reason to reject the Two-State solution.

By Ted Belman

In any imagined deal, except for Israel possibly accepting a token amount of “refugees”, everyone assumes they will resettle in the new Palestine. This may seem doable but in reality it would prevent a peaceful two-state solution from emerging.

Israel now has about 6.0 million Jews including those living east of the greenline and 1.5 million Arabs. Gaza and the West Bank have about have about 1.4 and 1.6 million Arabs respectively. In total there are 4.2 million Arabs in the combined territory. The total number of Arab refugees including their descendants exceed 4.2 million located as follows; 400,000 Lebanon, 400,000 in Syria, 2 million in Jordan some of whom have been given citizenship and the rest in Gaza and elsewhere.

Now if 2 million “refugees” return to the New Palestine, there will be over 6.5 million Arabs compared to 6.0 million Jews in the combined territories. This influx of Arabs will cause civil unrest in the New Palestine due to income and educational disparity and will severely test availability of resources particularly, water. These new residents will then attempt to infiltrate into Israel just as Africans are attempting to do so and just as Mexicans are infiltrating the USA.

Israel would have to double its manpower defending the fence with orders to shoot any infiltrators. There is no way that Israel would put itself into such a position.

To my mind, there would be great pressure on Israel, naturally or by Arab design. The Palestinians would then start demanding a one-state solution and will make Israel’s life hell once again.

August 31, 2010 | 14 Comments »

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  1. The one-year countdown: Day One

    Netanyahu said that Israel must be secure, and that the West Bank cannot become like Hamastan and Hizbollastan. This position is a loser. The Quartet of Jew-hating goyim will say they will place Nato and UN forces in the West Bank and Gaza, which will be as “effective” as the ones the Jews agreed to place in Lebanon.

    Netanyahu then said that the palestinians must recognize Israel as a Jewish state. Happily, that position is a slam-dunk winner. The UN originally referred to Israel as “the Jewish state”, so the UN, Obama, and Mrs. Clinton cannot object. And, there can be no room in “the Jewish State” for six million muslim “refugees” who will destroy the Jewish nature of the State.

    Abbas knows that if he uses the term “Jewish State”, then he is dead. The Jews are mentioned in the Koran as the original owners of Israel, and if he acknoledges Israel as a “Jewish state”, then he is admitting a connection between the current Israelis and the ancient Jews, which he can never do. If he acknowledges a “Jewish state”, then he is admitting that the muslims were defeated by the Jews, which he can never do. Is he acknowledges a “Jewish state” then he is conceding that six million muslims have lost the right of return, which he can never do. Instead, Abbas says he will never use the word Jew, and will never refer to Israel as “the Jewish State” and insists on the right of return.

    So as expected, the talks are dead in the water. But if so, then why did Obama insist on them? Obama actually made Abbas, Mubarak, and Abdullah travel to America during ramadan. Then he made Netanyahu show up a week before Rosh Hashona, knowing that Israel will shut down for three weeks at that time.

    My analysis is that Obama is just not that smart. He wanted to get the direct peace talks going in conjunction with the hostilities in Iraq ending, and a month before the settlement freeze was to expire, so that he could force Netanyahu to extend the freeze, and two months before the elections, hoping it would somehow improve his image.

    Instead, it looks like it will backfire and turn to crap, like everything he does (using his reverse Midas touch).

  2. email rec’d from Eliyahu m’Tsiyon

    There is now a movement for a “one-state solution.” If this solution is not a Jewish state, as it rightfully should be, then expect all kinds of international/Western/EU demands to be made. Think of how the UK demanded that Cyprus, if it became independent, had to be a bi-national [Greek-Turkish] state. The UK led negotiations between the Greek and Turks on the island, although the Turks were only about an 18% minority. The island was allowed by the UK to become independent only if all sorts of concessions were made to the Turks. Such as, any major laws and/or constitutional changes had to be agreed to by the representatives of the 18% minority. The govt of the island could hardly function. And that was when the pro-Commie, pro-Nasserite Archbishop Makarios was the chief Greek leader.

    Eventually, in 1974 Turkey invaded and made the country de facto a partitioned country, with 2 zones, one Greek, one Turkish controlled by Turkish troops. Britain still holds about 2% to 4% of the island as sovereign British bases [Akrotiri, etc]. About 200,000 Greeks living in the north of the island became refugees. The West did not give a damn about these refugees. They were not Arabs, not Muslims, not part of the invented “palestinian people.”

    Eliyahu m’Tsiyon

  3. Observations on the Two State Solution:

    The liberal-muslim alliance cooked up the Two State Solution as a stage leading to the ultimate destruction of Jewish Israel. Arafat originally talked about destroying Jewish Israel by stages, but couldn’t bring himself to accept the Two State Solution as the first stage.
    The Two State Solution has become even stranger, since it is now a Three State Solution, given the control of Gaza by Hamas.
    Netanyahu says (so far) that his acceptance of a Jew-free, Jew-hating palestinian state (the Two State solution) depends on the palestinians agreeing that that ends all future palestinian claims on Jewish Israel. Of course, the muslim savages refuse.
    But Obama, Mrs. BJ Clinton, the EU, and the Israeli left all push on.

  4. Of course, the term “Two State Solution” is in itself a misnomer. But it seems somehow the left is the side that always manages to be the originator of titles that become the media accepted.

  5. Ted posted an email from israelolivetree.org, a messy-anic ministry. I was pointing out to Ted what this ministry does in its “spare time” to help spiritually destroy our people both here in Israel and abroad.

    What Ted should do is to suspect such people and organizations and to throw their forked tongue messages of support into the delete box.

  6. BY, I hope you’re not referring to me. In my post above, I was pointing out to Ted who his email pen pals are. Make sure to read the very very last word of my post above.

  7. Ted, you may want to change to comment moderation,…hopefully to keep out the Christian and psuedo-Jewish liars off, and not those kosher Jews who are occasionally critical of you.

  8. Ted Belman says:
    September 1, 2010 at 3:50 am

    emai8l rec’d

    Your mouth to God’s ears! May it be so that Israel would prevail in these talks.. However, sorry to say that I don’t have a lot of expectation that your Government will stand strong. The only hope Israel has is that God will set’s His foot in the middle of the deal, harden the heart again of the PA and scuttles the plan. So far that is what has happened except when Netanyahu gave away Hebron and Sharon gave away Gaza.

    As Sarah Palin says, “How’s that workin’ for ya, now ?”

    Pray hard. May God prevail in Israel and save it from itself. And may your government learn to trust the “real” leader, HaShem. He is the only one who will preserve His land.

    SW

    http://www.israelolivetree.org

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  9. Now if 2 million “refugees” return to the New Palestine, there will be over 6.5 million Arabs compared to 6.0 million Jews in the combined territories.

    And if 4 million “refugees” return to the New Palestine???

    Ted, you’re only now considering the implications of that many hostile Arabs sandwiched in between Jordan and Israel?

    I cannot fathom what the two-state solutioners are thinking.

  10. emai8l rec’d

    Your mouth to God’s ears! May it be so that Israel would prevail in these talks.. However, sorry to say that I don’t have a lot of expectation that your Government will stand strong. The only hope Israel has is that God will set’s His foot in the middle of the deal, harden the heart again of the PA and scuttles the plan. So far that is what has happened except when Netanyahu gave away Hebron and Sharon gave away Gaza.

    As Sarah Palin says, “How’s that workin’ for ya, now ?”

    Pray hard. May God prevail in Israel and save it from itself. And may your government learn to trust the “real” leader, HaShem. He is the only one who will preserve His land.

    SW

    http://www.israelolivetree.org

  11. B”H

    The ONLY relevant reason to reject the so-called “two state” solution, is that it is forbidden according to Torah Law,…the only law relevant to Jews in Israel.

    Ted, why does this reasoning always seem to elude you?

    EsserAgaroth.blogspot.com