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Menu There is no diplomatic solutionIsrael should declare three nos;
no to nuclear Iran, no to two-state solution, no to bi-national state
no to nuclear Iran, no to two-state solution, no to bi-national state
@Reader Yup. It’s all empires, like I said. 😀
Dear Poland was actually the first to attack in order to vastly increase its territory:
It did manage to grab western Belarus and western Ukraine, and the Polish wonderful colonial policies caused the WWII massacres of Poles in both countries, although those policies certainly weren’t the fault of the victims who were mostly simple peasants.
@Reader I agree with Lord Palmerston. And so did the Soviet empire you so romanticize. It’s all empires. There’s nothing else except in your imagination. But some are more just than others in any given period. Were empires that protected Jews and Christians unjust? Would you oppose them in war?
The Houthis slogans are death to Israel and America, curses on the Jews.
If we accept the U.S. as being “imperialist?” Who are you rooting for. French colonialsim protected Jews as French citizens who sibsequently had to flee.
These are examples of colonialism being A POSITIVE GOOD.
In Palestine, British colonianism went from good to bad.. America too
Is it good for the Jews? That is the question
“Lord Palmerston 1784–1865. British statesman; Prime Minister, 1855–8, 1859–65. We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow.”
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Those that bless Israel will be blessed and those that curse Israel will be cursed and all the world will be blessed through them”” Genesis 12:3
All I can say, try applying it to yourself.
This is why the US has the foreign agents laws, and Russia has them now too, and every country should.
Sovereign countries are not a collection of aboriginal tribes that you can set against each other in order to take over or make them fight each other in order to, in the meanwhile, rob them of their resources, or have them simply exterminate each other, or to achieve some other goals.
This policy is deeply EVIL.
@Reader “Gave?” Poland fought a war of independence from the SU – Trotsky’s Red Army -which ended in an armistice 1919-21. Though Poland then went on to persecute its own Jewish citizens even before the Nazi invasion.
I agree with the proxy strategy and I might add that colonial powers protected Jews that way at one time. Not Just Christian powers in Islam. During the Spanish and Portugese Inquisition, the Ottoman empire did that thanks to the influence of Dona Gracia Mendez. Nasi
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“Ottoman rescue of Jews Dona Gracia Mendes” refers to the historical event where Dona Gracia Mendes Nasi, a wealthy Jewish woman, used her influence and network within the Ottoman Empire to rescue hundreds of Jewish people, particularly “conversos” (crypto-Jews) forced to convert to Christianity in Spain and Portugal, from the clutches of the Spanish Inquisition by facilitating their escape and resettlement in Ottoman territories, where they could practice Judaism openly; essentially acting as a kind of “underground railroad” for Jewish refugees.
Key points about Dona Gracia Mendes Nasi:
Her background:
Born in Portugal, she was a converso, meaning her family outwardly converted to Christianity while secretly practicing Judaism.
Wealth and power:
Her husband was a successful merchant, which gave her significant financial resources to support her efforts.
Escape network:
She established an elaborate network to smuggle Jews out of Spain and Portugal, using her business connections to facilitate travel and provide safe havens.
Ottoman refuge:
She actively worked to settle these rescued Jews in Ottoman territories, particularly in the city of Salonika, where they could live openly as Jews. ”
And the Ottoman navy even used a blockade to punish them for persecution of Jews.
Now, there’s a biopic that needs to be made. Who should play her? Jewish actresses only, for once, no more “Jewface.” Heroic Jewish roles are never played by Jews these days, just a few quirky supporting leads. Yet Jewish actress, Scarlett Johanssen was bullied into giving up a role she had accepted as a transgender because she isn’t.
The argument that actors should be able to play anything becomes disingenuous when an antisemitic double standards are applied.
Recently finished “People Love Dead Jews: Reports from a haunted present” by Dara Horn which just came out. Really interesting. Though I disagree with her prejudice against happy endings.
Watched “Cast a Giant Shadow” again over the holiday. We need heros. Leon Uris said that’s why he wrote Exodus.
Recently read a terrific historical novel about Dona Gracia . A few things coming out now. Glad Edgar mentioned her. I had never heard of her. I don’t think I’m alone. Tired of stories of Jews being passive victims.
@Sebastien Zorn
The idea was to pass through, not to waltz in.
Poland was divided between Russia, Prussia, and Austria.
I do not recall anyone else giving Poland its independence in the 1920s except for the SU.
Of course, to allow Nazi Germany to waltz right back into Polish territory and to become a killing field for 3 million Jews is not unreasonable – after all it was not as emotionally trying to the Poles as. possibly, letting the hated Russians pass through to fight the beloved Germans.
They are copying consciously or subconsciously the old British colonial policy which will make Israel even MORE hated than it already is, if it is at all possible.
Would Israel like it if there was a foreign power setting, let’s say, Israel’s Druze against the state?
Is there someone out there with a brain?!
@Sebastien Zorn
I WAS surprised at the term “P.L.O” but I saw an article recently (in a subscription mag) which I quoted from and I explained why this tactic may be effective – this is why I responded to it thinking it was recent.
My point is that Israel must quit playing up to its enemies and support their narrative by adopting their terminology and not stating the truth loud and clear, including in the UN (and it is NOT about how we suffer (even though it is also true)).
You should read it because your understanding of it is NOT what the book asserts, also the Munich agreement took place in 1938, and the SU-Germany pact was signed on 08-23-1939.
You really SHOULD read that book.
The last attempt at an agreement with France and Great Britain fell through because Poland wouldn’t allow the SU to set foot on its territory under any circumstances (but Poland was the 1st country to sign a pact with the newly Nazi Germany in 1934 and they were dreaming of joining Germany in order to attack “Russia”).
Anyway, the diplomatic activity around the world at the time was very complicated and in no way limited to one or two agreements.
As far as bombing the tracks to Auschwitz (which the US was in a way better shape and proximity to do than the SU (I am not sure about the GB)), I used to think (a while ago) it was a good idea until I mentioned it to some of my elderly relatives who said: “So what? The Germans would just send them there on foot.”
The SU didn’t think it had prevailed, the very small elite in the government (not even including the military) knew what was coming and tried to push it off (which it did for almost 2 years) because they knew the country wasn’t ready, and they kept it secret from the people who were brainwashed by the government controlled media into thinking that any attack on their country will very soon be fought on the enemy’s territory.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/as-irans-network-of-proxies-withers-israel-has-an-opening-to-revive-its-own/
@Reader That was from 1996 and Arafat lied to Clinton and Barak about the Palestine National Council having revoked that article in the charter. They merely voted to convene to amend the charter but never did. But, so what if they had? I’m answering the question in the title to this article. The other examples I raised as well, HItler, Castro pretending not to be enemies to the West when they were consolidating power. It’s absurd to even be asking the question. These are jihadists whose sponsor is Turkey not Iran. Turkey, which has no nukes but has a stronger army. Erdogan is also promising to destroy Israel. It may not be the time to attack them but I sincerely hope a new concepzia is not forming. Mike Doran thinks Israel should use them as a buffer against Iran. No accommodation should be made with them. And Israel should once again form and protect its own proxies.
Thank you for the book reference. I googled a summary. I already knew that Munich was part of a jockeying for getting Germany to attack the other by France, Britain and Poland, on the one hand, and the Soviet Union which thought it had prevailed with the non-aggression pact which carved up Poland on the other, but to no avail. They should have allied with each other Before the war. There might have been no war and no Holocaust, not that they cared about that. Nobody bombed the tracks to Auschwitz despite having thousands of planes flying over head. Nobody. They decided not to. Churchill, Stalin, Roosevelt. As a member of the British parliament said, the Jews were not an ally, not having a state, or an army.
@Sebastien Zorn
This is merely a new tactic – ”if we act nice, we will be guaranteed a state”.
This is why Israelis must declare the truth about the so-called Palestinian-Israeli conflict instead of complaining about their mistreatment by the Arabs while using the Arab plan-of-phases terminology.
After all, if the only obstacle standing in the way of the 24th Arab state is that the Arabs hate and mistreat the Jews, then, if this obstacle is removed, then this Arab state can be created.
https://www.nytimes.com/1996/04/25/world/plo-ends-call-for-destruction-of-jewish-state.html
Not Communist, Castro Tells U.S. — The Monitor 24 April …
The Catholic News Archive
https://thecatholicnewsarchive.org
Not Communist , Castro Tells U.S.. WASHINGTON (NC) Cuban Premier Fidel Castro has denied that he and his supporters are Communists.
Peace will be preserved and strengthened if the people take the cause of peace into their own hands and defend it to the end. HE “struggle for peace” has always been a cornerstone of Soviet foreign policy. Indeed, the Soviet Union itself rose out of the ashes of World War I under the banner of “Peace to the People!
THE PEACE MOVEMENT & THE SOVIET UNION – CIA