T. Belman. I am totally against such a confederation or annexation by Jordan. The Jordan River is the only border I will accept. On an interim basis , once Mudar is in power, Jordan will replace the PA and manage Areas A and B in their stead. When Israel finally destroys Hamas, Jordan will maintain law and order there. Over the next 10 years about 2 million Arabs from Judea and Samaria and Gaza will emigrate to Jordan. Then Israel will extend Israeli law to all lands west of the Jordan.
The alternative to the two-state solution?
By Joseph Puder, Front Page Mag Jan 13/22
In an unprecedented meeting on December 28, 2021, at the private residence of Benny Gantz in Rosh Haayin (central Israel), Israel’s Defense Minister hosted Palestinian Authority (PA) President Mahmud Abbas. Gantz approved significant trust-building concessions to the Palestinians. Aiming at bolstering the failing fortunes of the PA and Abu Mazen’s in particular, against the increasing influence of Hamas in the West Bank. Gantz approved the addition of 600 entry permits to Israel for Palestinian businessmen, as well as Palestinian vehicles. Dozens of Palestinian officials will receive VIP permits. Moreover, Gantz agreed to provide the PA with advanced tax payments collected from Palestinians working in Israel worth NIS (New Israeli Shekels) 100 million, or $32 million.
Palestinians in the West Bank (Judea and Samaria) and the Gaza Strip cheered the granting of the status approval to some 6,000 Palestinian residents of the West Bank, and 3,500 Gaza residents who appear on the PA’s Population Registry. It means that Israel will officially recognize the legal status of thousands of Palestinians, allowing them free movement within the West Bank.
After years of sheer contempt for Mahmud Abbas and the PA, both in Gaza and the West Bank, Abu Mazen’s stature has risen significantly as a result of “extracting” the above concessions from Gantz. Thousands of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza celebrated with Abbas’ (Abu Mazen’s) picture in hand and a paper confirming their new status. Abbas finally got his cheers. Unfortunately for Abbas, as Bassem Eid, former Palestinian refugee and human rights activist said to me, “the only ones that ‘voted’ for Abbas are his wife and his sons…”
The state of the Palestinian economy in the West Bank and Gaza is on ‘life support,’ with the political situation dismal as well. There is little trust in the leadership among the majority of Palestinians in both Hamas-ruled Gaza and the PA. With corruption, nepotism, absence of the rule-of-law, and basic freedoms, Palestinians are ambivalent about a Palestinian State. In Israel, “around the corner” they see prosperity, freedom, and advancement. An Israeli TV Channel 11 broadcast featured a Gaza resident telling a reporter that he “would forgo a $100 donation from the Qatari government for a permit to work in Israel…”
Resurrecting Abbas’ fortunes won’t change the realities in the PA. It is incapable of providing its people with basic needs, and it lacks the ability to govern. Gaza, under the terrorist group Hamas, is in far worse condition. According to the India-based Business Standard (December 29, 2021) headline “Unemployment rate in Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip exceeds 50%: Palestinian official says.” The poverty rate in the Gaza Strip has grown to 64%, and the rate of food instability among Gaza Strip households has reached 69%. Hamas is committed to the destruction of the Jewish state, but its leadership is indifferent to the suffering of its Gaza residents. Since it took over the Strip from Fatah and the PA in 2007, conditions have sharply deteriorated.
The Palestinians are divided into two separate entities, and neither is ready to negotiate a two-state solution. Abbas and the PA lacking the backing of their own people have no desire to be a partner for peace. Hamas, supported by the radical Shiite Islamic Republic of Iran, and the Muslim Brotherhood leaning regime of Qatar, have incentivized Hamas to focus on instability with periodic terror attacks on Israeli population centers. The results are misery and suffering for the people of Gaza and Israel.
The Palestinian leadership’s unwillingness to compromise with Israel, and its insistence on rights to “all of Palestine,” means a deadlock with no foreseeable solution to the two-state formula. Many Palestinians have already given up on the notion of an independent Palestinian state, and some are advocating a “one state” solution, that is joining the Jewish state in order to eradicate it demographically. This would be a solution that no Israeli politician or layperson would accept. A bi-national state would never work, and it didn’t work under the British Mandate, resulting in endless bloodshed, and chaos. It is for this reason that the British Peel Commission in 1937 resolved that Palestine should be divided into two states: Arab and Jewish. The Jews of Palestine accepted a tiny portion (less than 25% of the land) while the Arab-Palestinians rejected the commission’s recommendation, choosing the murderous way of Hitler’s ally, Haj Amin al-Husseini, the Mufti of Jerusalem. In 1947, the Arab-Palestinians repeated their rejection of a two-state solution, with the same intransigence of “all of Palestine to be ours,” by violence if necessary, but no compromise. This attitude has persisted in Arab leadership to this day.
David Pollock of the Washington Institute (February 25, 2020), headlined his story: “Palestinian Majority Rejects Two-State Solution, But Backs Tactical Compromises.” Citing a recent survey showing that, “Most Palestinian respondents now say they prefer ‘regaining all of historical Palestine’ over permanent peace with Israel.” At the same time, Palestinian majorities in both the West Bank and Gaza voice much more pragmatic views about “the impracticality of a one-state solution, the return of refugees, or armed struggle against Israel.” When asked “What is your personal opinion about what should be the top Palestinian National Priority during the coming five years?” The survey showed in 2017, 30% said, regaining all of historical Palestine from the river to the sea. In 2018, 47% chose the same answer, and in 2020, 66% repeated that priority…
In a Foreign Policy magazine piece (October 15, 2021), Jordanian entrepreneur and writer, Hasan Ismaik argues that, Amman should re-annex the West Bank to end Israel’s occupation, bring peace and prosperity, and give Palestinians democratic rights.” A voluntary confederation between Jordan and the West Bank Palestinians is the most natural and organic solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. First, precedence already exists. Between 1948 and 1967 Jordan occupied the West Bank and ruled it as a federation of sorts. Second, the two parts share the same culture, language (Arabic), and religion (Sunni-Islam). Close familial relations exist between the two entities. About two-thirds of Jordan’s population is already Palestinian, and Jordan’s Queen Rania is the daughter of Palestinian parents. Third, Jordan was originally part of the British Palestine Mandate. To accommodate Abdullah, the elder son of the Sharif of Mecca, and as payback for the Arab Revolt against the Ottomans during WWI, Winston Churchill (British Colonial Secretary at the time) cut off Eastern Palestine to create the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan. Fourth, Jordan’s 35,000 square miles will provide the space and opportunity for the densely populated West Bank Palestinians. Aqaba and Jordan’s 16 miles of shoreline along the Red Sea would give the landlocked West Bank Palestinians an outlet to the open sea.
Although US President Biden and America’s Western allies are hell bent on the two-state solution, it appears that the Palestinians themselves, Mahmud Abbas included, aren’t too keen on the idea. A one-state solution is a non-starter, for reasons underlined above. In particular, such a solution would lead to conflict and a bloodbath between Arabs and Jews, and it would end the 2000-year yearning of the Jewish people for a refuge and home for the Jewish people, who are still enduring worldwide antisemitism.
Short of maintaining the status-quo, the only natural, organic and viable solution is the idea of a confederation. In time, Israel might even join such an arrangement.
@Bear
I am not the slightest bit interested in your skepticism or challenges. You are now saying you will wait for events to unfold.
That’s what I have been saying also. Either it will happen or it won’t.
@peloni1986
“As I stated, this is because it is a Democratic Republic….”
Israel? Hardly. We are a malfunctioning Parliamentary Democracy.
Israel? Hardly. We are a malfunctioning Parliamentary Democracy.
Mudar Zahran has been telling people since 2012 (at least) that the Hashemite Kingdom is going to fall soon. I will stop now on my questioning of the reality of any his claims. I do not know if he is a fraud as others loudly have claimed. I also know none of his claims have been proven and none of things he has predicted to come about shortly ever did.
It certainly possible the King will fall. Almost all monarchies in the Middle East have eventually failed and been replaced by another government. Will Mudar Zahran have anything to do with this when it happens, I clearly do not know.
I do hope when and if there is a new government in Jordan it will be friendly with Israel and be willing to take in Arabs from Israel to reside in Jordan permanently.
@Ted, you have talked to US Intelligence to verify Mudar was vetted? Oh no probably not possible because they would not reveal such information. So the information came from where? Mudar??
I know it can not be revealed. Perfectly logical.
So we will wait to see if Mudar or anyone else takes over Jordan, in the bloodless transition of power, that has been promised.
I repeat my strongly held belief:
No army or foreign government west of the Jordan River ever!!
@Bear
Mudar was vetted by the US government twice. Once before he was hired to work in the Intelligence Unit of the US Embassy in Jordan and the second time after our conference by the US again as the potential leader of Jordan.
@Bear
True enough. But is there any truth in their claims? I think not. I believe they smeared him without foundation.. Besides he is trying to take over Jordan not Israel.
Israelis can opine afterwards whether they like his regime or not.. At the moment they have no say on whether he should be put in power.
I didn’t say this. .The government in Israel will decide if they want to keep supporting the PA, or disbanding it and running the place themselves or inviting Jordan in to manage it.. Oslo gives a measure of protection to Israel in that the Arabs are contained in A and B. If you do away with Oslo, its a whole new ball game. And from what I read there is a major effort being launched to declare Israel an apartheid regime. . A and B must stay, in my opinion, until the majority of Arabs have emigrated or abandoned the resistance.
You repeated a few times that the Israeli people should decide.. In effect you want to politicise the decision. This I oppose. Furthermore, Israelis are two divided and require repeated elections. This issue is far better off not left to them.
@Zorn.
You are confusing things by talking about the Arabs in the territories..
Mudar has the support of 6 million Jordanian citizens. His Coalition has the support of all 13 refugee camps in Jordan and of the Bedouin.
Whether the Arabs in the territories emigrate is up to them..
Yes Congress has oversight when it comes to making a declaration of war. That doesn’t apply here. No one is declaring war. In fact it will be a bloodless coup.
As for the Iran/Contra deal, nobody is doing anything which comes close to that.
@Sebastien
I had not heard this before. I have to admit that if this was fake news, I would be greatly heartened to hear it.
You are quite correct about Kach , whereas these Arab parties should have no rights to vote in the Jewish state that they do not accept as legitimate. This is due to the overreach of the Judiciary who see no limit upon their control of the state.
@Sebastien
Of course it does, within the proper context. The point is that the public’s opinion, however, is beyond any direct input as Bear suggested on a given political topic. Every govt is dependent upon the public for their next election. It creates a sense of reciprocal inputs into both the candidate’s actions and the candidates recognition of his public’s support. Stating this better, a politician has to do what his electorate wants him to do and demonstrate to the public that what he did do was what they wanted, so that in the next election he can gain their votes again. This is what makes lame duck office holders and term limited office holders so free to do as they care. The lack of this reciprocal relationship is also what leaves politicians who have stolen an election free to do as they care, ignoring the public whose vote did not empower them and whose vote will not be required in the next election.
Raam’s leverage was not in question in my comment, though we could address the nature and significance of this leverage further. Also, the Right had plenty of mandates to form a govt but Saar chose to support Abbas over Bibi, again this was not the focus of my comment. What my comment did address was that the govt acted as Bennett and Saar saw fit without further consulting the public – they were elected to form a govt and they did. They did so in spite of the recent Arab revolt and awarded the Arabs with showers of gifts of money and land, power and position, all without re-consulting the public. As I stated, this is because it is a Democratic Republic and there is no mechanism or requirement to explain what Bear described in the following statement:
or this one:
Public opinion is important and it has a great impact on many things, but not directly. Govts act for the people and they react to avoid the consequences at the ballot box. This is the limit of their input, and it is not a small input. That is the very purpose of public protests and why politicians cringe to see such protests make the news cycle.
I really did not think my comment was much of a controversial statement, but perhaps I explained it poorly.
Why should Israelis trust Mudar ? Does he have a verifiable history of actions? Ted, being friends with him for a longtime is not enough, no offense meant Ted. Jordanians, Arabs, Palestinians all can NOT be relied upon to provide security west of the Jordan River.
Israelis should only rely on their on security services and no ONE else’s.
@Peloni Israel also needs to implement the other half of the law that the left passed to stop Kahane’s Kach party banning “racist” or anti-Zionist parties from the Knesset and the government. Kach wasn’t racist and no anti-Zionist parties or individuals have been banned on those grounds. This needs to be emphasized. There will have to be movement to democratize the mechanisms for deciding electoral rules. It’s so obviously rigged, just like the witchhunt against Netanyahu.
But, I also recently read that the report that Netanyahu was willing to include Ra’am was allegedly fake news, confirmed by the fact that he then went to Bennett.
But, there was a serious stalemate which kept the knesset from passing new legislation and gave an appearance of instability and vulnerability prolonging the more than usual violent chaos.
@Peloni Ra’am acquired this leverage because of the voting threshold. Despite the right having a clear majority, neither left nor right had enough mandates to form a coalition. Israel needs to abolish the voting threshold.
America was defeated in every protracted war since Korea because of public opinion not because of government leaders or military defeats. The spate of withdrawals by Israel after the initial withdrawal by the government of Begin from Sinai began with Peace Now in Lebanon. Leftists like Amos Oz leading weary veterans who thought the Arabs would stop shooting at them if they brought the frontier closer to home.
Public opinion matters. Especially when the media and academia get into the act.
@Bear
Double talk, eh? Republics hold no commitments to have the nation’s decisions, large or small, placed before the public for consideration, or at least not so long as a parlaimentary govt stands, such as in Israel, or between the statutory elections, as in the US. Even when these govts must accept a public review, the public review holds no shackle over any decision these elected elites might make for their public’s interest as is the case with Bennett in the current govt. It is not double talk to state this is fact and that on a single point of concern you would require the Republican system bend to the will of the mob. The gobbledygook you can not see holding any relevance actually holds an even tighter relevance as the very recent election results last Spring in Israel gave the Right a very strong majority which two parties of the Right decided\to empower the Brotherhood on the eve of the first Arab revolt in the Jewish State’s 72yr history. The Israeli Arabs held a pogrom in the streets of Israel and they gained a reward greater than was laid at the feet of Attila or Rolo for their acts of treason. These men of the Right empowered Ra’am over Netanyahu despite the Arab riots at the height of the most violent enslaught Israel has seen since ’73. Bad behavior once rewarded will always be repeated, yet, you saw no need for the Israeli public to acquiesce to these gifts of power, position, wealth and land to Abbas which will very directly “effect their[Israeli] lives and security”.
What you demand on this one occasion, arbitrarily chosen it seems, requires an unprecedented expression of a referendum, such as was done with Brexit, and that was a very unique measure gifted to the public by their govt, much to the govt’s regret. There is no basis for it in law, nor in Israeli history, and even recent events, as I have described, show that the people have no voice in the policy chosen by their leaders, beyond the leaders who are chosen. Govts such as Israel and the US are called a Democratic Republic because it is specifically not a Democracy.
A Regime in Jordan that is reliable stable and is good terms with Israel on security and other issues is a good thing.
If the country of Jordan would take in Arabs from Israel and make them Jordanian Citizens that would be a good thing.
Having Jordan take over places in Areas A & B of Judea/Samaria is fraught with danger and a bad idea.
No foreign army should ever be allowed to cross the Jordan River. Israel fought a war in 1967 to kick the Jordanian forces back across the River.
@Peloni so you do not believe it is better to have the support of the people? Your argument sounds double talk and gobbledygook.
Answer me simply if you can if you can please. I heard NO reason why it would not better to have the Israeli people support actions that effect their lives and security.
The issue here is whether Ted and Mudar’s plan holds any water. I do not know if you are aware many well known people in Israel think Mudar is a total fraud. So Ted saying that he and Mudar decided not to a make case does not impress me or convince me of its wisdsom.
@Ter Belman Recall that’s what Iran/ Contra was all about. Reagan was almost impeached over that.
@Ted Belman In the US, Congress has oversight in foreign affairs. Only Congress can declare war. The president can take limited action for a time, and certainly covert action, but Congress can deny funding. The president must report to Congress after a certain period of time. And only the senate can ratify treaties.
@Peloni What I said about even despotisms requiring a significant amount is support from the public, even if passive and even if not a majority applies to the US, too. Biden may have won by fraud but that doesn’t mean nearly half the country didn’t and doesn’t support him. I am in bluer than blue Upper West Side and I have yet to meet a single solitary individual who is disappointed in Biden! The country has been divided down the middle on partisan lines since 2000. Elections, even when fairly won are determined by a small group of swing voters who could go either way.
@Ted Belman “Why not?” Because the Arabs of the territories must see Zahran as their friend to trust him and vote with their feet. It’s not just about what leaders do. Governments with no mandate fail.
@Peloni
Your last comment was on the money.
@Bear
“Why did we hold the conference? Easy. We wanted to launch our plan so that people and the governing class would hopefully be aware of it.. In this we were very successful. Many intelligence agencies like CIA and Mossad tuned in. So did the US military and the Trump people like Kushner and Berkowitz etc.
We were the first to point out over and over again that the King was not our friend. We succeeded in this to the extend that they all thought that the king should go.
Then we had to convince them that Mudar was the right guy to replace him. In this we also succeeded.
We also set out our vision of cooperation rather than confrontation.
It was our conference and our ideas that gave rise to the Abrahamic Accords..
I have suggested to Mudar that we write the story which we may make into a small book.
I hope this answers your questions.
In the US ,Foreign Affairs are the provenance of the Executive and not the people.. This applies to Israel and most other states.
So if Obama decided to oust Mubarak, he could do it by executive action..
Similarly if one or more states decide to oust the King of Jordan all they have to do is order him to abdicate or else. The King has no friends who will keep him there.
So when the King goes officially you will know that something big is going on. Abed and Mudar have both tweeted about the New Jordan and about constitutional changes.. This work is ongoing.
When the people orchestrating this decide to appoint a New President, it will be done.
Now you know as well as I do that Israelis and Americans have no say in what takes place in Jordan.
Afterwards, the Knesset will decide how to incentivize Arabs to leave.
@Bear
I am sure you are aware of this reality. More accurately stated, governments make decisions without the need of a declarative support of the people in a Democratic Republic. It is the distinction between a democracy, where the tyranny of the majority rules, and a democratic republic, where elected elites decide what is in the best interest of the public with a future election to temper their independence from their public’s will. This is how Oslo was passed. This is how Bennett came to include the Brotherhood in his govt to face down the Iranian threat and why the Bedouin and Brotherhood have gained the promise and reality of being empowered with land and treasure just weeks and months following the Arab pogroms – not very well thought out . None of these matters were voted on by the public, and if they had been, none would likely have passed, or even been narrowly defeated. It was the elected elites who chose these paths, or the govt if you prefer the term.
@Ted what was the rational or logic behind not trying to convince people of the Jordan Solution. Also if that is accurate why did you have the conference?
I truly do not understand. I would like to see good solid safe out of the box thinking to help facilitate the gradual improvement of the conflict.
@Ted, so governments can function without the support of the public in a democracy according to what you are stating.
@Sebastien Zorn
Unfortunately, the State of Palestine is being treated as a done deal, no matter how few Arabs (and I don’t think it will be few) remain in the State of Philastyn.
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffsb&q=palestine+economic+capacity&ia=web
You might think the above is kind of funny – I don’t.
@Sebastien Zorn
This is in the realm of fantasy.
It is satisfying to dream about but it cannot happen, not without a major war or conflict where Israel will have to face numerous countries as its enemies and if this war is lost, Israel may end up under the occupation of the UN “peacekeeping forces”.
Aliyah, on the other hand, is perfectly legal, and if you have a million or two of warm bodies – they must have a place to live, and they will go to Judea and Samaria and the North, and the Negev no matter who else lives there or what fits they are likely to throw.
In terms of the “economic absorptive capacity” (the term invented by Herbert Samuel, the Jewish high commissioner of then Palestine, in order to prevent aliyah) – if they could absorb over a million Jews after the war (I don’t know the exact number) through the 1950s, they can certainly do it now (especially if they quit wasting money on vaccines, testing, lock downs, and satisfying the demands of their Arab citizens, the PA, Hamas, Jordan, the US, etc.)
In terms of the signed agreements, etc. – many countries, the US among them, abandon the agreements they signed when they perceive these agreements to be harmful to themselves.
Mudar and I agreed five years ago to not try to convince Israelis or Americans of our plans. We focussed entirely on governments who could make a difference.
We have the support we need. That’s all that matters.
As far as our plans are concerned for the morning after, they are all set out in my articles about it or in the speeches which Mudar and I gave at the conference.
We believe in what we are doing and don’t need anyone’s approval.
https://www.israpundit.org/the-ultimate-alternate-israel-palestine-solution-3/
@Ted, actually on this site you have many loyal followers. So if your points are not winning them over, how would the broader Israeli public and politicians ever be convinced of the viability of your ideas. So you should be trying to convince us!
I am not being negative but trying to constructively challenge you!
What everyone believes is irrelevant.. I am not trying to convince anyone nor am I telling everyone all I know.. I am just posting what Mudar and Abed are tweeting..
Would everyone rather I not tell you anything?
@Ted, what you are not hearing is no one or practically no one thinks the option you believe you are presenting is viable or safe for Israel or frankly likely even tangible.
@all detractors.
Why not? Israel’s choice is to continue with Oslo and the PA or scrap them.. If they scrap it which they should, then they have a choice. Should Israel be responsible to collect the garbage or should they get cooperative Arabs to do it…You decide.
One of the reasons Israel doesn’t want to invade Gaza is because they don’t want the headache of occupying it.. So they could delegate that job to Jordan.. I don’t care. I’m just giving Israel some options.
@Reader Actually, there have been cases of Arabs trying to sell land to Jews and being put to death for that. It’s actually on the books! Many Arabs are reportedly leaving for the West, anyway. It’s unknown how accurate the PA and Hamas population records are as they cover that up.
@Reader Jews can’t live in Areas A, B or Gaza, now. And, we just saw what happened in the mixed cities when Hamas declared war. True apartheid but against Jews. This must end. And, one way or another, Arabs who pose a physical threat to Jews must leave Greater Israel.
It is impossible to make the Arabs move to Jordan.
The only possible solution is moving in a lot of Jews, i.e. a HUGE AND IMMEDIATE ALIYAH.
By this I mean at least a million people ASAP.
This is the only remedy, and this is the only thing that the Government of Israel is trying to avoid.
@Ted Belman You wrote: “When Israel finally destroys Hamas, Jordan will maintain law and order there.”
In order to finally destroy Hamas, Israel will have to wreak major destruction in Gaza. How popular will Jordanian forces be if they come in to enforce the peace on behalf of Israel? It seems to me that it would make enemies out of the very people who need to be persuaded to move to Jordan and embrace it as the Palestinian state, heralding the end of conflict. Not to mention Jordanian soldiers sent to do the job. Better for Zahran’s Jordan to simply be the shining city on the hill shining a beacon to come home. The two objectives as posited are in conflict with each other.
@Ted Belman You said:
I already made this point this but I want to underline it.
a) Do you believe that the PLO and Hamas will just roll over and relinquish power peacefully?
b) If not, has Zahran assured you that he is prepared to go to war with them to accomplish this temporary aim on behalf of Israel?
I agree with Sebastien Zorn completely!
About 80% of Jordanians roughly are Palestinians or West Bankers as they call them. These people in the vast majority hate Israel. So the assumption that they Jordanian Palestinians could relied upon for the security of Israel near Jewish population centers is wobbly at best.
Ted, you have a friendship and trust in Mudar and that is your right. However, beyond your personal affinity for him we have nothing than can be relied upon. This is not meant as an insult but simply put the security of Israel should not rest on this.
No foreign troops or foreign government west of the Jordan River. Currently the IDF controls Judea/Samaria. They can into locale they want whenever they want. This should NEVER be changed.
@Belman I will repeat my earlier comments which you didn’t respond to which addresses this question: ”
“You can’t suck air in and blow air out at the same time.” – Ted Belman
Isn’t the whole point of the Jordan Option to incentivize the Palestinian Arabs to move to the other side of the river? How could a Jordanian regime claiming to represent the true interests of the Palestinian Arabs build cities for them on the East side of the River, offering them jobs and services there, while justify denying services to those of them living west of the River if the same regime administers both areas?
Seems to me you can’t have it both ways.”
“I think the Jordan Option is worth a shot as long as it remains East of the river. But, re-imposing the Jordanian occupation of Judea and Samaria is asking for trouble. Mudar Zahran is only one man, he’s not immortal and there are other forces at play in Jordan, even if he takes power. History shows that Arab regimes are notoriously unstable, especially in diverse areas, where the entire population doesn’t belong to a single clan which rules. Whoever wants to replace the PLO will have a war on their hands and will have to police the area, indefinitely, with full military occupation. They won’t go without a fight. And then there is Hamas, which would win any fair election in the PA. Same applies. At some point, Israelis will have to face the bitter reality that peace can only come when Israeli soldiers are policing and administering these areas as before but not using Ottoman, Jordanian or British legal precedent.”
@SEBASTIEN-
I totally agree with you. The main aim of the Jordan Option must be
1) Getting Mudar into power to STAY.,
2) Mudar (and Israel) encouraging and incentivizing the YESHA and Israeli Arabs to move to Jordan, a totally Jew-free Arab country..
Israel will not be a free, whole country of Jews, until the Arabs are GONE, back where they came from and belong. Our crappy government is taking steps to encourage them to stay and get benefits more and more. They have no thought to get them over to Jordan at all. No projects towards that goal which should be at the heart of every Israeli Govt. This MUST include the Israeli Arabs also, that 5th column.
Arabs deserve what they give is, and that certainly is not civil/voting rights and freebie benefits. Just Kaduchas.
@Belman Kind of depends on who is running the show at any given moment, doesn’t it? Not everybody is motivated by economics. Jordanian society is not monololithic. It’s not long since Iran was an ally, as well, if you recall.
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@Zorn
The Jordan Option is based on the notion that Jordan is our partner, not our enemy.
Here’s the deal .What Jordan wants is for their economy to be built up and what Israel wants is for Jordan to accept the emigration of all Palestinians. So Israel agrees to build their economy and they agree to be the Palestinian home. That’s the trade off. One of the ways Jordan can help us, after all what are friends for, is to replace the PA and Hamas.as a temporary measure…
The government encourages the rioting by caving in:
Nothing changed in the last 100 years: May 1921 riots, May 2021 riots…
Expel the 5th column.
Isn’t the whole point of the Jordan Option to incentivize the Palestinian Arabs to move to the other side of the river? How could a Jordanian regime claiming to represent the true interests of the Palestinian Arabs build cities for them on the East side of the River, offering them jobs and services there, while justify denying services to those of them living west of the River if the same regime administers both areas?
Seems to me you can’t have it both ways.
I think the Jordan Option is worth a shot as long as it remains East of the river. But, re-imposing the Jordanian occupation of Judea and Samaria is asking for trouble. Mudar Zahran is only one man, he’s not immortal and there are other forces at play in Jordan, even if he takes power. History shows that Arab regimes are notoriously unstable, especially in diverse areas, where the entire population doesn’t belong to a single clan which rules. Whoever wants to replace the PLO will have a war on their hands and will have to police the area, indefinitely, with full military occupation. They won’t go without a fight. And then there is Hamas, which would win any fair election in the PA. Same applies. At some point, Israelis will have to face the bitter reality that peace can only come when Israeli soldiers are policing and administering these areas as before but not using Ottoman, Jordanian or British legal precedent.
This “confederation” is nothing but a cover up for the two-state Final Solution.
The first cover up was the annexation of 30% of Judea and Samaria by Israel with the remaining 70% being quietly ceded to the “Palestinian” state.
The territory of Jordan already covers 78% of the Mandate, why expand it?
I have full confidence in Mudar. It is worth getting rid of the PA and all its propaganda.
TED, it is bad enough we gave guns to the PA.
No army or foreign government west of the Jordan River ever!!