By Ted Belman
No candidate for their party’s nomination for President offers any relief to Israel. All support the two state solution and that includes pre ’67 borders with minor modification. At best they vary on how much pressure they will apply on Israel to cave in.
If you doubt the State Department’s resolve to create another terrorist state in Israel, just look at what it intends doing in Serbia. And don’t forget, NATO, led by the US, bombed Serbia to make it more compliant.
John Bolton, Lawrence Eagleburger and Peter W. Rodman combined to write Warning Light on Kosovo and take a dim view of its intentions.
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The Bush administration has indicated its readiness to recognize a unilateral declaration of independence by ethnic Albanians in Kosovo, a province of the Republic of Serbia that since 1999 has been under United Nations administration and NATO military control.
Such a declaration may take place as early as February. American recognition would be over Serbia’s objections, without a negotiated solution between Serbia and Kosovo’s Albanians, and without modification by the United Nations Security Council of Resolution 1244, which reaffirms Serbian sovereignty in Kosovo while providing for the province’s “substantial autonomy.” U.S. recognition may be joined by that of some members of the European Union, which has been under heavy diplomatic pressure from Washington, though several EU states and a number of countries outside Europe have said they would reject such action.
This is so even though Russia is supporting Serbia.
Israel has no one to turn to.
While you are at it read Promoting the Birth of a Supremacist State
by Julia Gorin, FrontPageMagazine.com | Thursday, January 31, 2008Marking International Holocaust Remembrance Day on Sunday, the UN put on display an exhibit paying tribute to the Righteous of Albania who risked all to save Jewish lives during the Holocaust. The exhibit arrived at the UN from Yad Vashem, where it was on display for two months. While the Righteous of any nation indeed should be acknowledged and commemorated, the problem with the exhibit is its underlying agenda. Jews, along with the Albanian Righteous of WWII, are being used by the Albanians of today to advance a racially supremacist end game in the Balkans, where world wars start—and cost principally Jewish and Serbian lives.
Bill,
You answered me like this:
Well, since you offered ‘the possibility’ of a simple answer and nothing else, then your reader has only two choices: either consider that your ‘possibility’ is your thought or completely ignore what you say because you are not certain. What you like us to do?
No Bill, I’m not wrong. You didn’t get what I meant.
The power of OPEC countries is subordinate to the power of Western oil traders. They can only impose conditions on the West if Western oil companies agree to their conditions, which the latter always do, as they make a lot of money out of crises. Of course there is always a price to be paid for everything. The cost of political force or ultimately military force against OPEC countries is always higher than blackmailing Israeli corrupt leaders. So Western leaders always prefer the latter way.
The fact of the matter is that Western dependency on oil is a Western creation and choice, to which Western leaders submit their citizens. Also you should remember that the West is not only made of rich countries like the US and Canada. The ‘economic pain’ you refer to about the OPEC price rise related to the 1973 war is child’s play as compared to the degree of suffering and poverty inflicted by the World Bank and the IMF on Latin American countries (and others worldwide) by means of the latter’s corrupt elites. The WB and the IMF, both controlled by the same criminals who own the US Federal Reserve, have been imposing extremely harsh austerity policies on poor countries and blackmailing them into selling all their governmental services to multinational corporations, thus weakening said governments to the point that they become mere pawns of the IMF and the big corporations. And the governments that do not comply are either commercially boycotted or simply militarily occupied or destroyed (precisely as the US, Germany and Western Europe did to Yugoslavia).
We do not live in a free world, Bill. All the freedom talk is bs. We live in total submission to oligarchs who determine the stabilities and instabilities of markets, and what you may or may not produce and consume. This is why you depend on oil for transportation and other utilities. And things are getting worse every hour, as governments worldwide are pressured to privatize their central banks, as the US has done long ago.
In ancient Greece democracy meant oligarchy. Today oligarchy means democracy…
Other than that, thank you for thinking I am young. That’s always flattering at my age.
Hi Bill,
many thanks for the clarification of what you really meant. I think Julia Gorin, based on her most recent posts on her blog, appears to be moving more towards my position and what Felix describes as the US and EU capitalist political elites being the great big dog that controls the radical (read genuine) Islamist tail and NOT vice versa.
I agree with you totally Bill, that it does not make any sense to suggest or imply that all these Western leaders and their so-called “expert” advisers are all retarded imbeciles whom are “being duped by radical Islam” which appears to be the position of Fitzgerald’s & Spencer’s “Jihad Watch” website.
Felix describes it accurately where he wrote:
I also agree with you Bill that Western leaders and their “expert” policy planners/advisers know full the nature of the Beast of Islamist Fascism but carry on supporting it regardless of the adverse consequences. Why do they continue to do it? Is it all just simply about oil and appeasement, or is there more to it than that? That is the key question we should all be contemplating and much more importantly, investigating through our own research efforts.
Based on public statements by Western officials, policy papers, leaked government documents, interviews to the press, and so forth over several decades, a picture emerges that points to the deliberate use of this Islamist fascist beast – this dangerous dog that has to be kept on a leash, lest it mauls us to death – as a useful tool – or weapon to be more precise.
The reason for its use as a weapon against secular states in the Middle East, Central Asia and the Balkans (e.g.,Kosovo, Bosnia) that the US and EU empire wish to destabilize and ultimately control, is because secular governments generally tend to be more liberal, democratic, progressive and tend to want to promote freedom and prosperity for their people. Whilst conversely, Islamist regimes are backward, totalitarian, primitive and regressive and keep their people in abject poverty and oppression with a religious-fascist clique at the top.
This enables the US and EU political elites to exploit the natural resources or crucial geostrategic position of these countries (and so resource-rich neighboring secular states can also be destabilized),whilst keeping the population of those countries in check by having a ruthless Islamofascist regime crush any opposition.
If a neighboring secular state starts to be too independent and nationalist minded in the eyes of US & EU political elites, and refuses to be exploited by Western corporations, then Islamist elements in that country are covertly stirred up, armed, trained, funded and so forth by Western governments, until the secular government is destroyed, and the Islamist factions put into power instead – a compliant Western client regime (even if despotic and brutal) is the object of this game.
If the Islamists who have been put into power by the West get out of control or don’t do the job they are expected to do by the US & EU political elites, then they are either overthrown by another Islamist faction in a military coup or the country is invaded by Western military power.
This is precislely what happened in Afghanistan. The old Taliban government was overthrown and a new Islamist administration (with a cosmetic facelift for “democratic” effect on Western audiences) was installed in its place.
This is what has been happening for decades all over the Middle East, Central Asia (former Soviet republics) and in the Balkans. This sustained policy over several decades of supporting the Islamists has resulted in horrendous terrorism against Western targets (the so-called “blowback effect”). This was NOT unforseen by Western leaders and their “expert” policy advisers – since these people are NOT stupid or retarded.
And yet these Western leaders and their so-called “expert” policy advisers continue supporting the creation of these Islamist regimes all over the world: taking us down their road to Islamofascist hell – all “paved with good intentions” of course.
Enigmax, it is now apparent to me that you completely missed the point I made, given your following statement :
I have not suggested that at all.
I have simply stated that those writers, including Gorin who suggest that Western leaders, play into the hands of radical Islamists of various stripes, do so because they misunderstand Islam, Islamists and the fundamental forces underlying geopolitical realities, are wrong.
I cannot believe Western leaders and their expert advisers are not as knowledgeable, intelligent and understanding as Gorin and these writers. I also believe they understand the problems facing the West just as well as Gorin and other writers warning the West of the dangers of radical Islam.
The problem Western leaders are having in confronting and trying to defeat radical Islam, is not that they are unaware of the threat, but they simply do not know what to do about it beyond staying the course with policies of appeasement and hoping against hope that these policies will ultimately do the trick.
The West knows full well the adverse results their appeasement policies.
I imagine that the prospect of trying something new and different that is reality based as regards their radical Islamist enemy’s intransigence and intractability, raises fears that such direct kind of policy and action designed to confront and defeat the enemy will lead to even worse unintended and unexpected consequences then what staying the course is now producing.
Bill
The point you made in post 3 was;
But this point was answered by Enigmax above when he refers to the interview with Brzezinski above;
I am not sure of what Gorin thinks, whether she thinks that the US and EU power tops are confused and lacking in understanding of what they are doing with Islam, but Enigmax is saying that the very top leadership is anything but confused. That is the WHOLE point of his contribution.
These are terribly important questions and well worth this space on Israpundit.
The question is which is the tail and which is the dog, to coin an expression.
Enigmax, and also others especially Jared Israel and Francisco Gil White, have maintained that US and EU Imperialism is the dog and the tail is Islam.
Why this is so important is that here we have a division. One of the most positive groups would be Jihadwatch by Hugh Fitzgerald but he and John Spencer seem to me to be saying that Islam is the dog and it is wagging the tail which is US Imperialism.
Another variation of this is what Jared called the Bumbling Bear metaphor, where the US is well meaning but is always making mistakes.
That is challenged by Enigmax above and it just has to be addressed because it is going to determine how everybody, including you Bill, certainly Ted, are going to address the Jewish issue.
So for example it was put down as a “mistake” that Miss “Bumbling Bear” Rice and Bush insisted on the elections taking place where Hamas won out. Enigmax is saying that these are not mistakes at all and that there is a conscious strategy to create Islamofascist states in the world.
If I could add a little bit to what he has said.
Boom and bust the nature of the capitalist system. There may be a very big crisis lying ahead which may involve struggles in many countries where Fascist forces emerge.
To maintain power the capitalist class may be gambling on an alliance with Islam. Islam has all the qualities for Fascist rule. It is inherent in that religion itself and it can morphe into modern Fascism very simply.
That may be the attraction of Islam for our ruling capitalist classes.
Now Spencer and Fitzgerald dismiss the class issue totally and essentially they are supporters of American Imperialism, it is just that they think that big stupid bumbling bear should stop making those silly mistakes.
But if it is what we are saying, and Enigmax is very good on this, then we are in real danger.
If that is the case, Bill, just say if it is the case, you can see immediately what great danger Israel is in, and the Jews are in, with the possibility of a Holocaust there, or alternatively Israel striking at the Iranian bomb as Bolton urges, but with that strike an incredible ratcheting up of the antisemitic pressure.
It will colour our attitude to what US and EU Imperialism are up to in the world, at least what the driving powers in these entities are up to, because there are different levels of consciousness in these ruling circles.
Actually what Enigmax has written above is a challenge not only to us all but to himself because it is meaningless without building a large leadership party.
Why the wars then? Well >I do not dismiss them. In using a Fascist Islam the ruling powers are dealing with a very nasty beast indeed, and this is a beast that while it can be used has to be kept on a leash. Otherwise it can get out of control.
It is a very comprehensive answer to the lies and destructive obfuscation of Oliver Kamm and Attila Hoare, and also a whole generation of journalists, in what as all on Israpundit will realise is a very corrupt Media. But it has to be acted upon, because to make this live and have any real signifance in the political situation we need an organization initially of a few hundred cadres, who are fully conversant with the issues that Enigmax describes.
One other thing strikes me. It is one thing for these planners in the US and EU Government to sit about in their plush offices, in highly paid sinecures, working on all of these schemes for world control of their country over all others, but it is another thing entirely when poor people in an area pay the price. People should have a look at the images which are on the site http://real-srebrenica-genocide.blogspot.com/
and which show Islamist thugs brought into Bosnia by Izetbegovic and his American backers kicking the severed heads of young Serb boys about. I often think that the agony of a mother or father in this, how can they continue their life and have this in their mind, that their dear relative had this happen to them. It is hard for the Father of Daniel Pearl but in these cases these are poor, unheard of Serbian small farming people. What cruelty to these simple people.
It is what I mean that we are descending into barbarism. And the link with what I am writing about now is Kosovo. There is no doubt that this is illegal and that they (in these plush offices including the offices of the Media) are tearing up the legal rule book. When a system starts to tear down its own international laws then
Perhaps Yugoslavia and Kosovo is most seriousand important in this regard. It shows the way that the system of Capitalism or Imperialism is moving. I feel that this system will drag humanity down into the gutter if it is not ended
Alex, you are wrong on two counts.
First, I offered the possibility, not the certainty of a simple answer bound up in oil.
Secondly, it is astonishingly wrong for you to say the West has no oil problem for the last 50 years.
Much of the world economy has been transformed into an oil based economy and thus the oil consumers, of which America is the greatest consumer, are vulnerable to the oil producers.
The West has not forgotten the economic pain that hit a number of Western societies very hard when the OPEC nations using their power announced in during the October 1973 Yom Kippur war, an oil embargo to all nations supporting Israel and also using their leverage to manipulate the price of oil to rise to 4 times the then current price.
Maybe you are too young Alex to remember that, but I am not.
Bill,
Your comment no.3 is very curious. This is how you closed it:
You asked yourself a crucial question. Then you give yourself the most common-place, easy and evasive answer I could possibly imagine for that question. Please explain what sense it makes to acknowledge the truth that Western
leaders must know what they do when going to bed with radical Muslims, and at the same time evading any plausible answer by choosing the “simple oil issue.”
The West has no ‘oil problem’ for over 50 years. And the oil-rich Middle Eastern countries live under the Western boot for about 100 years (in fact the West created the current Middle Eastern boundaries), and the West has always been incisive in keeping Middle Eastern ruling families in power and wealthy, which is what has been necessary for the oil to flow. And, no less importantly, Western ruling clans have been profiting from the oil trade nonstop for decades. It is a universal fact of life that economy determines the rise and fall of nations. The Middle East has experienced different types of rule, except democracy. None of those rules – secular dictatorships like Saddam’s Iraq and Pahlavi’s Iran, or Wahhabi Arabia and Khomeini’s Iran – have ever made any difference to the oil flow, as those countries need it to survive regardless of ideology. And there is no doubt as to Western military superiority to those countries, not to mention Western capacity to develop and implement alternative fuels (my car, for one, runs on sugar cane for the same price as gasoline, sometimes less).
So if there is one answer which is plainly implausible, that’s precisely the oil issue. Please give us a better one.
Felix,
You are not a simpleton, so when it comes to me, why do you think like one?
Enigmax speaks against an independent state of Kosovo and Western efforts to see that happen. I questioned not his opinion in that regard, but what what relevance his comment was to the point I was making.
It seems every time you notice that I do not salute anyone who speaks out against an independent Muslim Kosovar state, regardless of my reason and in this case it was questioning the relevance of that position to the point of my post #3, you are quick to fly off the handle, jump in, excoriate me and accuse me of being in league with Muslim radicals, in favor of an independent state of Kosovo, that I wrongly blame the Serbs and defend Kamm, Lantos, Lieberman and now Attila Hoare, whoever the hell that is.
The one that needs to get their head out of the clouds and get a grip on realities Felix is none other then yourself!
Do not confuse me will Bill. As my title incidcates I get it.
Ted
When I opened up Israpundit a few mos ago I thought it was an advertisement for the American Republcian party with a gaudy poster in support of McCain, and not what it is, a famous and important Jewish site
Anyway Ted I had no trouble indeed in understanding the gist of Enigmax re Julia Gorin.
Enigmax was using a quite effective stratagem by making the link between Kosovo and Palestine in the minds of readers who may be new to the site. Because Kosovo IS palestine.
(By the way I refuse to be drawn into all this stuff about evil etc. I had enough of that when I was in St Columbs College in Derry for 6 years as a boarder so I am sure you can understand that after leaving there I eventually took a cold dip in a beautiful Irish lake and felt all the guilt just run off. I have felt better ever since. By the way I do believe Bill Narvey is easily the equal of Oliver Kamm and Attila Hoare for downright obfuscation. So no thanks Bill. Finished with you, ain´t going there)
MY MAIN POINT
Palestine IS Kosovo.
Debate that and it may bring Israpundit down to reality on this terribly important for Jews Balkan issue, important not least for the simple and not hard to understand reason that JEWS AND SERBS AND HANDICAPPED died together there in the Nazi Holocaust.
Enigmax is devoted to exploring just that. So get some perspective.
These Albanian Kosovons or as they call themselves Kosovans, as if a letter change does it, do you imagine that having gained independence they will be in the slightest interested in “Kosovo”.
No, they are Albanians. They will never be Kosovons, or even Kosovans.
It is a non runner because it is an ideological impossibility. Kosovo for them is a stratagem for destroying Kosovo which is a real place for the Serbs and lies at the very heart of their culture and Orthodox Christian religion.
Now everything I have written there, instead of Kosovo replace with “Palestine” and you have the exact same result.
That is what Enigmax was saying.
Give over Bill. Get a grip. It is far too late for your endless obfuscation of issues and truths.
Enigmax
You have me wrong. I am a big fan of Julia and often post her very well informed articles.
About a year ago we focussed on Serbia and Kosovo and had many informed people making us smart. Do a search on Israpundit for kosovo or Gorin or Serbia. You will be surprised.
Ted, Bill, I wasn’t taking a swipe at Israpundit writers/contributors. You and Bill misunderstood my comment. And no, I wasn’t trying to imply that Israpundit writers/contributors are all scholars and experts. And no, I wasn’t trying to be “clever” Bill, by substituting the Muslim Albanians for the Muslim Arabs of so-called “Palestine”.
I was making a point.
My point is this: why is it that on the issue of Kosovo you imply Julia Gorin to be mistaken but Western leaders and their advisers not mistaken? You wrote:
From your comment above, why do you think that Western leaders and their advisers can be so wrong on Israel and the “Palestinian” Muslim-Arabs of PLO/Fatah and Hamas (you say its because of “Arab oil”) but not clearly mistaken on forming a new Islamofascist state in Europe at the expense of Serbia?
Why do you feel that “…one is left to conclude that Gorin and these various writers are smarter and more knowledgable then all these Western leaders and their many expert advisers.”
From what you have written, you imply that Western leaders and their many “expert” policy advisers are not prone to lying and corruption. You also imply, by bringing up the issue of “Arab oil” and since there is no oil in Kosovo, then Western leaders can’t possibly be doing wrong there, even if they are creating a new Islamofascist state at the expense of 15% of Serbia’s terrirtory.
Said US foreign policy and that of the EU above is also clearly against the founding Charter of the United Nations, the Helsinki Final Act of 1975, as well as all other international law dealing with the territorial integrity and sovereignty of UN member states, so how could they be so right and not wrong, according to you?
If that is NOT your position, pray tell, exactly what is Bill?
Do you believe that Western leaders are just merely deluded, shortsighted fools when it comes to enacting foreign policies harmful to Israel with regards to their appeasement of the muslim-Arabs in Gaza and the West Bank – the appeasement of PLO/Fatah and Hamas – at the expense of Israel?
But then on the other hand, do you really believe that they are NOT deluded and NOT misguided fools when it comes to the appeasement of Islamofascists in the Balkans: i.e., the al Qeada-trained and funded terrorist KLA whom incidentally cleansed Kosovo of its entire Jewish population and are now running Kosovo thanks to Washington and the EU?
Why should we treat the al Qaeda-funded Islamofascists of the Albanian KLA any different to the Islamofascists of PLO/Fatah and Hamas by rewarding their terror with a new state?
The Kosovo Albanians come primarily from Albania and the “Palestinian” Arabs come primarily from Jordan and other Arab states.The Kosovo Albanians don’t deserve a new state – they already have one: it is called Albania.Since this is where they originally came from, why should they be rewarded with a new state created out of organized crime, drug trafficking, forced prostitution and slavery, mass murder, ethnic cleansing and terrorism?
Do you believe the “Palestinian” Arabs deserve a new state based on that principle? Yes or no?
You seem to be defending Tom Lantos’ indefensible comments for some reason by attacking my introduction to his speech as a “clumsy segway”[sic].
Do you find what he said acceptable by your standards? If not, then do you find that what he said below can be explained by Lantos being deluded, misguided, naive, shortsighted, etc. with regards to appeasing the muslim and Islamofascist world at the expense of Serbia and international law?
Do you really believe doing so – as US government officials clearly do with their public statements – will appease the Islamofascist and muslim world into not hating the US so much and stop committing their terrorist attacks against the West?
Just a reminder of what Lantos said:
“Just a reminder to the predominantly Muslim-led governments in this world that here is yet another example that the United States leads the way for the creation of a predominantly Muslim country in the very heart of Europe. This should be noted by both responsible leaders of Islamic governments, such as Indonesia, and also for jihadists of all color and hue. The United States’ principles are universal, and, in this instance, the United States stands foursquare for the creation of an overwhelmingly Muslim country in the very heart of Europe.”
What Lantos said is inexcusable. And in answer to your question Bill, yes, Lantos is corrupt for making such a comment and for supporting the creation of a new Islamist state in order to mollify and appease the muslim world.
And in answer to your other question, yes, any US government official who agrees with his position is also corrupt – even if it is because as popularly believed, “we need to continue to get cheap muslim-Arab oil in abundance”.
Mind you, Tom Lantos is just one of many like-minded individuals in the US government’s foreign policy apparatus who think that we should do precisely what he is advocating – create new Islamist states in order to appease and placate the muslim world. A policy which will have deadly repurcussions and backfire terribly on the Western world with more terrorist attacks – NOT less.
In answer to your question where you quote me here below, where I wrote:
…these Western politicians and their so-called “advisers” are highly intelligent people whom openly argue in interviews,press releases,policy papers and other official government documents that Islam can be mollified and appeased by creating new Islamist states all over the world and that radical Islam can be utilized as a powerful geo-political weapon against target countries that the Washington foreign policy establishment wishes to de-stabilize and ultimately control.
To that you wrote:
…you have gone so far afield that I doubt anyone would agree that what you state resembles irrefutable fact.
Well it is an irrefutable fact Bill, and it is not I personally who is making that claim, it is the senior policy planners in Washington’s foreign policy establishment who make that claim. Jared Israel has exposed these government officials with their very own words – both verbal and written – in numerous press reports and government documents, as has Julia Gorin with her brilliant research.
Whether we want to believe that our government leaders could be so indelibly corrupt to commit to such disgraceful policies over several decades because of “Arab oil” or think that they are all hapless fools and merely misguided idiots who are clueless and don’t know what the hell they are doing doesn’t change their deliberate sustained policies over several decades and doesn’t change the end result: more Islamofascist terror attacks against the West- and NOT less.
Previously, I have exposed these people with the following research material below. I ask you Bill to read all of the research material provided in the links provided when you have the time. Thanks in advance for doing so.
I agree Bill, evil is not the right word. Maybe “nefarious”. Essentially we must conclude that the consequences are intended and not mistakes or due to misunderstandings.
Jeff,
You cheapen the word evil by lowering the bar as to when and to whom it is an appropriately used adjective.
I disagree with you on that point. I reserve my use of the adjective “evil” to those who hold the more or most extreme, depraved and inhuman beliefs and who commit atrocities in the name of those beliefs.
I have your point about radical Islam, but it was not my intent before or now to debate you as to whether commonly called radical Islamists are really the true Muslims and the Muslim reformers are the true radical Muslims.
There are those, who hold that the religion and politics of Islam are one and the same and those who say they are distinct and that the religion of Islam has been politicized by the radical Muslims. It might make for an interesting debate.
Enigmax
I expect you thought yourself very clever to substitute the phrase Israpundit writers for Gorin as if that brought greater clarity to my words in my post #3.
It doesn’t. My words were specific and in respect of a specific context. You have not only changed the meaning, but do so by implicitly saying that all Israpundit writers consider themselves scholars and experts. Most are well informed and intelligent enough, but do not make that claim, so why do you?
If there is a point you want to make, make it!
You then say:
Just what irrefutable fact are you speaking of?
1. Is it that Western leaders are “clearly not retarded imbeciles” ? Or is it that:
2.
If your answer is yes to question 1, that is what I said and so what is your point in stating the obvious?
If your anser is yes to question 2., you have gone so far afield that I doubt anyone would agree that what you state resembles irrefutable fact.
Thirdly, if you are going to talk about Western leaders in relation to some corruption index, you have failed to explain to whom that applies and where you say all are corrupt or only some and if so, just what specific corruptive factor are you applying?
As for your clumsy segway into speaking of Tom Lantos, your point is what? That he stands alone as corrupt or alone in having an inherently insane policy in your view or is Lantos the personification of all Western leaders you seem to be suggesting are given to corruption or insanity?
Enigmax, your pseudonym suits you because like enigmas, you are tough to figure out.
Bill writes
For the reasons given, and many of my own, if I had to choose between “evil” and “misguided”, I would choose the later.
I fail to understand why Enigmax took a swipe at Israpundit readers. I submit we know full well.
Bill,
If our governmental leaders and Israel’s governmental leaders know what they are dealing with, aside from being obtuse and in denial, they are evil. The consequences of their actions and lack of action has and will continue to result in the death of innocent Israeli Jews and Jews worldwide.
I disagree that our leaders are misled and therefore continue to pursue the same failed strategies out of fear of trying something different.
The leaders of Israel and the U.S. are part of a ‘ruling oligarchy.’
President Bush’s policies toward Israel and Olmert’s/Kadima’s policies for Israel are inherently evil and, frankly speaking, obscene. While I do not agree with everything that professor Franciso Gil-White may espouse, I do agree with much of what he does write – based upon his research.
The reason I think the term ‘radical Islam’ is damaging is that it obfuscates the truth about pious Muslims, and true, authentic, Muhammaden Islam.
There is nothing ‘radical’ about what Muslim terrorists do if you understand the Qur’an, Sunnah and Sira.
Muhammad was one of the most evil men that ever lived. The Qur’an is terrorist manifesto. The Hadith is a declaration of war against non-Muslims.
The basic tenets of Islam, founded upon the so called revelation that Muhammad received from the angel, Gabriel, are what they are. You may consider what the Qur’an and Hadith mandate and espouse as being radical, but the examples set by Muhammad and his companions are quite clear. Islamic jurisprudence, sharia law and Islamic history are quite clear. In this instance, semantics and terminology is important.
Jeff
Let’s re-phrase comment #3 by replacing
“Gorin” with “Israpundit writers”:
“The problem I have with Israpundit writers, is the same as I have with those writers who say Western leaders’ efforts to defeat radical Islam are being undermined by their their misunderstanding of the true nature and intent of radical Islam and Islamists and their inability to distinguish Muslim friend from Muslim foe.
“To accept the views of Israpundit writers as regards the Arab-Muslims of Gaza and Jerusalem, those writers that deride Western leaders for misunderstanding radical Islam and Islamists, one is left to conclude that Israpundit contributors and these various writers are smarter and more knowledgable then all these Western leaders and their many expert advisers.
“I have trouble accepting that idea.”
Now we have some clarity and context.Western leaders are clearly not retarded imbeciles who perpetually screw up over several decades in favor of Jihadist terror groups and Islamist states all over the world. On the contrary, these Western politicians and their so-called “advisers” are highly intelligent people whom openly argue in interviews,press releases,policy papers and other official government documents that Islam can be mollified and appeased by creating new Islamist states all over the world and that radical Islam can be utilized as a powerful geo-political weapon against target countries that the Washington foreign policy establishment wishes to de-stabilize and ultimately control.
Once this irrefutable fact is accepted, you will have trouble accepting the idea that “all these Western leaders and their many expert advisers” are honest and ethical,full of moral fiber,have integrity and are not corrupt to the core. Yes oil plays a big part in their planning, but the big geo-political/geo-strategic picture – according to the US’ foreign policy establishment’s top “grand-strategist” policy planner – is splitting the huge Russian federation up into small,weak statelets and subsequently dominating the gigantic resource-rich continent of Eurasia which contains enormous reserves – not just of oil and natural gas – but virtually every other natutal resource you can think of.
No prizes for guessing who that “prominent legislator” of such an inherently insane policy is: none other than Rep. Tom Lantos (D-CA).
The explanation for Tom Lantos’ behavior is due to his taking “campaign contributions” over several decades from the Albanian American Civic League: the front group in the US for the fascist al Qaeda-funded & trained terrorist KLA: who have ethnically cleansed nearly 350,000 people out of Kosovo (mainly Serbs,Jews,Romany) and murdered over 6,000 more since June 1999 when the UN & NATO took over the province.
Jeff, I did not question Julia Goren’s sincerity or her scholarship. I used the phrase radical Islam as a convenient label and leave for another day debating what one properly should label Muslims that hate and commit terrorism on the West and Israel or those Albanian Muslims who seek, with the support of the U.S., a new Muslim independent state of Kosovo.
As to America and other Western nations continuing to play ball with the Muslim Middle East and the OPEC nations in particular, you say:
First of all, I disagree with your characterizing these Western governments as evil. Misguided or foolish would be a far better word.
Secondly, you say Western nations playing ball with the Arabs and in particular OPEC is shortsighted, does not really address the issue of why they haven’t changed strategies.
The Western strategies employed over the last 30 – 40 years to try to work with and accomodate the wants and needs of Arab/Muslim nations have not been very successful in getting the Arab/Muslim nations to accomodate the West.
American influence and prestige for instance in the Middle East has waned, not waxed in spite of what many characterize as policies of appeasement. These policies logically would likely work within the context of Western to Western negotiations and dealings. That Western logic does not apply well to Western to Muslim negotiations and dealings.
As I pointed out, it is virtually certain that Western leaders and their advisers are more then aware that their various strategies and policies have not worked.
That they persist in them is probably due to their having no clue as to what else to try, their fear of unexpected consequences by trying something new and different and their uneasy comfort level of staying the course with the same tried and failed strategies and policies in the hope that at some point they will ultimately succeed.
The reason for the West to persist in sticking with failed strategies and policies is therefore more likely due to suffering from an excess of wishful thinking, given that their jar of new ideas set within the box of conventional thinking is empty, then it is a case of myopia.
This a very important Post.
Thank you, Ted. Moreover, thank you for including the link to Julia Gorin’s article.
I would like to address Bill.
Bill, Julia is no smarter than anyone who takes the time to study Islam, the life of Muhammad, the legacy of jihad and the institution of dhimmitude. Couple this with taking the time to understand recent and remote history and what you might come to realize is that the U.S. Government as well as many EU Governments are very, very nefarious. Of course they know the truth about Islam, Arabic Muslim Imperialism, jihad, etc. These evil governments have made calculated decisions under the assumption that they can somehow ‘work’ with evil incarnate and continue to keep the oil flowing and – hence – their economies running smoothly. This is, of course shortsighted. Islam seeks to dominate and not be dominated. Islamists will wait it out while the west withers away.
Julia has taken the time to study and understand the history of the Balkans.
She also understands a great deal about Islam.
Julia is very honest and up front, unlike most U.S. or E.U. government officials and leaders.
I would also like to opine that the term ‘radical Islam’ is a misnomer. More accurate terms include:
authentic Islam, Muhammaden Islam, fundamental Islam. The term ‘radical Islam’ is a western invention.
While we in the west may consider many elements of Islamic theology and jurisprudence ‘radical,’ it is basic and fundamental to Muslims. Moreover, if you look up the word radical in the Merriam-Webster dictionary, you will see how this term is being misused.
Ted, I think this post should be forwarded to all of the newspapers in the U.S. and Israel.
The future is now and the Balkans provides a ‘crystal ball’ of what may happen to Israel.
Jeff
Bill, how about the Stockholm Syndrome. Patti Hearst came to embrace her captors. ie if you can’t fight em, join em.
Or maybe they feel if we are nice enough to them they will love us. Much of this dynamic underlies not just leftist thinking but also US policy. We try to set an example to them by accommodating them. Look how liberal we are etc.
Or, the squeeky wheel gets the grease. The more Muslims yell the more they get.
The belief held by many is that the Palestinians are entitled to a state and the Kosovarians are entitled to a state has taken held even though there is no historical or legal right to such states.
Or maybe we are just feeding the alligator.
Ted, if you are right, Israel may as well turn off the lights and leave.
I think you are being overly pessimistic.
Gorin says Jews and Israel are being duped into believing that the radical Muslim Albanians that seek an independent state of Kosovo are not radical Jew hating Muslims at all, but are all from the Albanian Righteous stock of WWII.
Gorin writes with seeming expertise on this subject.
The problem I have with Gorin’s writings, is the same as I have with those writers who say Western leaders’ efforts to defeat radical Islam are being undermined by their their misunderstanding of the true nature and intent of radical Islam and Islamists and their inability to distinguish Muslim friend from Muslim foe.
To accept the views of Gorin as regards the Muslims of Kosovo and those writers that deride Western leaders for misunderstanding radical Islam and Islamists, one is left to conclude that Gorin and these various writers are smarter and more knowledgable then all these Western leaders and their many expert advisers.
I have trouble accepting that idea.
That said, I am left to ponder what other reasons would account for why Israelis and the West do find it politically attractive to support radical Muslims in Kosovo and why Western leaders continue to act as if they do not understand radical Islam and Islamists, which I have to assume they do understand full well.
The reasons for this might just boil down to something as simple as the power of oil that has greased the slippery slope the West has set itself on.
Welcome Roger.
You may be right, but don’t forget, there are many of us out here in this blogosphere who are ardent and vocal supporters of the beleaguered State of Israel and of the Jews, and who deplore your treatment by the United Nations and unfortunately by our own government. We are watching and we care. And we are doing what we can.
First time on your great blog; but not the last.
Thanks,
Roger G.