Israeli officials passed a message to the American government that Israel will agree to an international force governing Gaza.
Israel National News Nov 16, 2023, 10:07 AM (GMT+2)
Kan reports that Israel sent a message by way of White House the advisor for Middle East affairs, Brett McGurk, that it would agree to a deal in which an international force would rule the Gaza Strip after the war.
According to the report, Israeli officials who met with McGurk expressed their consent to the idea and emphasized that the Palestinian Authority, in its current state, would not be able to rule the Gaza Strip.
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@Reader
Yes, that was my point. I’m sad to say we are in agreement.
@Sebastien Zorn
Why do you assume it would be Gantz, I was talking about a completely different situation.
Anyway, there is no leadership in Israel capable of anything like this (or even of contemplating it), what I said is in the realm of fantasy.
@Reader
That would be Ganz. Out of the frying pan, into the fire, as it were.
@Sebastien Zorn
No elections, just a minimal war time government run by the military instead of the Knesset, with 5-7 vital ministries led by competent professionals in place of corrupt politicians and without Netanyahu telling everyone everything they want to hear while keeping his cards close to his chest.
@FelixQuigley
Thanks, Felix.
I think my meaning is that I have seen all my life these elites using “international law” against the side I was supporting. It was the same clique did it in Yugoslavia which was a long period starting in 89 and year after year in the 90s and are Serbs, yes they are, rotting in jail even this minute.
And we have the Clinton saying “We came we saw he died” and always their lawyers applying this *international law*
Without a doubt on October 7 the government of Gaza declared war on Israel.
So…this now belongs to Israel. Remember the IDF commander on the beach declared this.
That means we are close to making this formal.
I think first comes the statement of reality and intent.
This reality has not been explained correctly to the young people (of Europe since I live there) but things are not nearly as dark as they seem. It can be explained. We do make our own history
The Arabs must lose Gaza as Peloni says and the Arab liars losing Gaza means Israel winning it.
And the great image is the speech of the IDF on that seashore. And we must use that image big time
It is very inspiring.
Plus we may not get that rich claim at this point but we can because the Jewish people have changed psychologically. This is 2023 and they will not go back to Babi Yar.
@Bear
I don’t think forcible removal of the Pals from the war zone will be necessary, as most of the population fled south to avoid the war, and as the war moves south they will want to flee further south. The onus lies upon the West to make a safe harbor outside the war zone for those wanting to flee, albeit with security checks to not allow identified targets to flee amid the escaping public.
Regarding the resettlement of Gaza, I am hopeful that this will be allowed, but not convinced that it will be. In the recent interview between Avivi and the Sovereignty Movement, he raised the point that refusing to allow settlements and cities to be established in Gaza will only result in losing the battle in the long term due to claims of occupation which would be supported by Israel providing security over an area where she has no population. It would be surrendering the land to the terrorists which should be occupied by Israelis.
In reality, Peloni is probably right, unfortunately. In principle, Felix is right, though he omitted to say that Gush Katif must be rebuilt and that the Arabs have to go by any means necessary. Gaza must be entirely re-populated with exclusively Jewish towns and cities as well as military bases and airports. This may not be possible now but if it is not, this will not be the last October 7. People compare this with the last Yom Kippur War. Why aren’t they comparing this with the 5 year Oslo Terror War which Arafat and the Palestinian Authority directed 20 years ago. They ALL have to go.
@Felix
Yes, Israel was attacked, and as such this war should end in territorial gains per international law. This being said, international law is whatever the US says it is at any given time and for any given purpose. So, while I agree with you, the US would not, and it would appear that Bibi has no intentions of evicting the terrorist loving community which shared sweets in celebration of the recent slaughter which was conducted in the most cruel and barbaric fashion possible. I hope Bibi might change his mind, but I am easily dissuaded from believing that there is any chance of him doing so.
What do all of you writing here of my idea?
The attack of October 7 is a pivotal moment
They declared war
Israel is therefore forced to fight a defensive war with all that that entails
Israel must therefore annex Gaza
With its stated and declared power in place proceed
BUT DO NOT NEGLECT THIS DECLARATION TO THE WORLD
Please address this
@Peloni, I believe Israel will not forcibly remove non-combatant Arabs from Gaza but will allow any who want to leave to leave. I hope a program is formed sooner than later which assists Arabs who wish to emigrate to do so.
I wonder if anyone Jewish and Israeli will try and resettle any parts of Gaza or the government will stop them.
@Bear
Yes, he seems quite firm on this point, but also that the Arabs will return and that Israel will not stay in Gaza, even as it maintains military control.
Bibi again repeated that IDF will maintain military control of Gaza after war.
Reader
And … as well as that he could have been alive much longer. He died a young man
The Zionist Jews would have protected him.
He was a Zionist for sure just with different world and science analyses
Good points Reader
Reader very good comments to Tanna and very much to the point. I do believe Trotsky was not pushing for Jews to make a Israeli socialist revolution. Rather he saw world capitalist system going spiral like into decline and creating the conditions for Fascism. And he hoped that socialism would win. And he talked also of a Jewish homeland being very deserved after millenia of suffering. He didn’t see rest for the Jews while capitalism remained. That simple point is not easy to make because of course it is continually obscured by millions of books and articles. But what if that simple statement is true. It would colour what everyone would do even their daily conversations.
@Reader
New elections during an invasion?
@Tanna
BTW (nothing to do with your meaning), if the fate decreed that Trotsky join Zionists instead of deciding to join the revolutionaries to save Mother Russia, we could have had a state BEFORE the war.
@Raphael
You are absolutely right, and this is the proof that this government had to be dismantled as soon as the war started and not permitted to stay on “for the sake of unity”.
How much time will it take before the “international force” hands it over to the PA and the UN will unanimously vote to create a Palestinian state in J&S and Gaza with 500,000 settlers violently expelled into the Green Line (which will cause the Jewish state to collapse)?
Then the “international force” may have to take over Israel itself to “preserve peace and save lives”.
Try to fight both the new state and the UN!
We are our worst enemies.
Agreed Mr. Zorn. If Israel has control of Area C and still cannot control the Palestinian terror, they need to try a different approach. member what Einstein said, “Stupid is as Stupid does”.
@Tanna It’s a distinction without a difference in practice. In Area C, Israel has both administrative and security control and Palestinian terror is a daily thing. Israel has tried every approach. They have all failed. International anything is a joke. The Arabs have to go and Israel must promote closer Jewish settlement of the land as genuine international law dating back to San Remo stipulates.
Zorn, I made the distinction that the administration could be international but the security would be Israeli. This was stated in the article. every city needs paper pushers to pay bills, clean the streets and keep city services running. but security, police and Judges and the court system needs to be administered 100% by the IDF and the Israeli’s.
I’m beginning to hate this site. I keep getting my post shot out into a black hole. Where is Trotsky when you need him.
Mr. Zorn / Raphael, I agree this deal of turning Gaza over is complete BS, and
as Raphael stated, R.S.F.S. I.F.(Ridiculous, stupid, flawed, and suicidal )(I.F. only Zorn knows) As to the international group running Gaza, I made the distinction between the administration of a city area, and the security. Administration, could be run by others, someone has to pay the bills, push paper, and so forth to keep a city running. But the Security, should be handle 120% by the IDF and also all the Judges and top Administrators in key slots should be Israeli’s.
It has already been proven that Hamas, PLO and all the other Haters cannot run a city government. All they need is glorified sectaries.
As to your link, when they holler Allie auckebar….. that is a call to arms and death to Jews. When this happens, this should become the Israeli Nation call to arms and all the Israelis should pull their guns and start target practice.
I know it might sound callous. The media speaks of Gazan / Palestina women and children being killed by the IDF. If the IDF kills Palestina children NOW,(2023) then that means they will have saved a Jewish life’s and will not have to kill them in 10 or 20 years. So, with the way inflation is running, the IDF would be saving lives and money(bullets are expensive). If Gazan / Palestina women are being killed, then the baby makers who keep breeding this evil and then training and indoctrinating these kids need to have some skin in the game.
But the western media and the democrat party who supports abortion of innocent babies, doesn’t seem to understand how stupid they sound talking out of both sides of their mouths. What is it they say, A personal health issue, it’s my body my choice. Israel should do the same. Its a personal health issue, it’s my country and it’s my choice.
Haggai 2:4-5 Yet now take courage, O Zerubbabel,(government) says the LORD; take courage, O Joshua, (religious people) son of Jehozadak, the high priest; take courage, all you people of the land, says the LORD; work, for I am with you, says the LORD of hosts,
5 according to the promise that I made you when you came out of Egypt. My spirit abides among you; do not fear.
Let’s follow UK expelling unwelcome migrants to Rwanda : Let’s struck a deal with an African state , we provide you some medical infrastructure or else you allow these troublesome people to start a new life in your agriculture development . Guinea or Gambia or Sierra Leone or Liberia could agree . IDF has now conquered the Gaza city harbor : Bring a few merchants ships , allow any male between 18 and 50 to get on board , Ciao …most of the gazans will be be happy to escape the hamas hell .
@Tanna
History shows over and over that it doesn’t mean anything at all. Since optics are everything, all that matters is by what long but catchy Orwellian acronym is it called and I like Raphael’s suggestion: The R.S.F.S.I.F.
Ridiculous, stupid, flawed, and suicidal are only a few of the adjectives that come to mind when I think of Israel handing control of Gaza over to an “International” force. That sounds too much like the UN to me. And I’m sure that they are going to be highly motivated to prevent Hamas from re-grouping, right? This stupid idea ranks right up there with Moshe Dyan giving the temple mount to the Arabs, or Sharon deciding to pull out of Gaza, or Rabin signing the Oslo Accords. What the hell are they thinking?
https://www.jewishpress.com/news/israel/settlements-israel/new-coalition-of-jewish-groups-calling-for-return-to-gaza/2023/11/17/
@Tanna Uh huh.
https://palwatch.org/page/34725
Mr. Zorn, it should not be too hard for the Israeli government to take over and control Gaza. They already have the experience. All they have to do is take all the guns from the Palestinians, like they have from the Israeli citizens that live outside of the Gaza fence. Easy Peezy!
Only the IDF should secure Gaza. Israelis know this. I find this article highly questionable.!
There is only one nation on earth that could lay down the law if it ruled or administered Gaza, and rid Arab terrorism.
I hate to say it, because I detest that current nation.
China.
I forget which general said Israel will not be able to hold Gaza in the long run without building Jewish towns and active highways. Deserted roads will be terrorist traps. The casualties will build up and there will be domestic and foreign pressure to withdraw.
I would add that Arabs must be expelled. Even just from a security standpoint.
Suggesting Jews can de-Nazify Islamist Arabs is like suggesting sheep can make vegans out of wolves. And nobody else will do it. It would require Chinese-style re-education camps, indefinitely. Just resettle them elsewhere.
@Tanna
I don’t much like this ideal nor think it will work out long term.
The important part is that an International force would rule. What does this mean?
According to the this, quote, Israel will retain security. So maybe, they are just speaking of managing the city government with the administrative work and issues.
If Israeli soldiers and policemen patrol the streets of Gaza like they do in Jerusalem, then it might work. If not….. not a snowballs chance in hell!.
Why you not introduce this with a clear statement from you the editor??? Of late you have taken to doing this but very strange not now?
There is no end to the deceit of this tired old bourgeoisie of the Jewish state fought for so often and long by Jewish (do called leaders) fighters.
Save your crocodile years Netanyahu!
You are now getting prepared for your worst betrayal.
Netanyahu get off the stage of history.
If anybody is interested in saving Israel reject this Israeli leadership, not just the traditional traitors of the Supreme court but now Netanyahu
He follows the exact footprints of Sharon.
I said then in 2005 here on Israpundit and I fought alongside Joseph Alexander Norland to stop Sharon and his jackboot police and army and never to hand any land to the Arabs whoever they might be.
To an international body says the Netanyahu traitor. That will definitely be worse than 2005.
This calls for the creation of Trotskyist leadership to fight to save Israel
If you know another way spell it out.
@EvRe1: Ask Biden. He’s the guy that’s calling the shots. Maybe he would like to be in control of the Gaza Strip, but somehow, like all others, he doesn’t want anything to do with these peaceful protestors. On the other hand, he may want to leave an egg in Trump’s nest.
I don’t understand this decision, if it has been decided by Israeli leadership to have Gaza under international law.
I concur with Caroline Glick: the Palestinians must lose land. If under international control, the Palestinians might assume it is still their land.
International forces such as UNIFIL have been a joke. UNIFIL looks the other way while Hezbollah builds a huge tunnel infrastructure and is armed to the teeth with hundreds of thousands of missiles.
I can’t understand how Israel can delegate control of Gaza to any force other than Israeli, given how important this piece of land is to Israeli citizens living in southern Israel.
Can someone explain to me why this makes sense?