T. Belman. Haskel, and National Unity, are to be commended for their reasonable stand. They are only asking for a week or two. If they can agree to a deal, leaving Yesh Atid in the dust, that will be good for the country. But why haven’t they made a proposal so that the prospects of a deal can be evaluated. Democracy doesn’t demand that the legislative process be stopped, just the opposite.
I suggest they make a proposal in writing. If the government thinks it has merit then and only then can it suspend the process for a week or two.
MK Sharren Haskel says her party is willing to discuss the judicial reform, even without Yesh Atid and Labor.
Sharren HaskelIsrael National News
MK Sharren Haskel (National Unity Party) spoke to Israel National News on Thursday and commented on an initiative of MKs Yuli Edelstein, Gadi Eizenkot, Hili Tropper and Danny Danon, who called for the promotion of dialogue on the judicial reform that would take place at the President’s Residence.
“I was happy that there are finally responsible adults in the Likud, like Danon and Edelstein, who took a brave initiative and realized that there is an unusual situation in the State of Israel of a huge rift that will take us years to fix – and they say there is no reason not to stop the legislation of the judicial reform and hold discussions for a week or two in order to reach agreements,” said Haskel, who added she believes more participants from the side of the Likud will join the initiative.
“I see other MKs in the Likud who feel uncomfortable with what is happening right now. In the end, they can brand this protest as a protest of anarchist leftists and traitors, but it is a popular protest that comes from a place of purity and deep concern for the state and the people of Israel. There are family members, nephews and brothers of many MKs from the Likud itself taking part in the protest,” she said.
Haskel said there is an obligation to stop the legislation in order to talk and the coming week is an opportunity to do so. “If there is a week in which the legislation does not progress because of Purim, that is the time to stop the legislative process, and sit down to discuss a compromise. Likud should be the adult in charge. They are in power and they have the power. We do not have the power to stop the demonstrations, but it is clear that if we sit down and negotiate about the judicial reform, the spirit of the demonstrations will begin to fade naturally.”
“But while we are still interested in sitting down and talking and stopping the rift in the people of Israel, Yariv Levin is accelerating the legislation and says he wants to finish the first phase of the reform before Passover. So what is there to talk about? If they really want dialogue, then where is the compromise?” she wondered.
MK Haskel stated that her party would not wait for others and will lead negotiations if the other side is willing to do so. “We understand that there may be some extremism, like Yesh Atid that wants to stop the legislation for two months or all kinds of conditions, but we are practical. If they stop the legislation, even in a situation where Yesh Atid and Labor will come with additional demands and do not want to sit down, we will come to the table to negotiate.”
Haskel did not like, to put it mildly, the images of the protesters who besieged the salon where Sara Netanyahu, wife of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, was getting her haircut. “That is unfortunate. It is forbidden to take it to a personal level. In the last year we have seen a very serious deterioration and personal harm to the families of elected officials. Family members should not be attacked on a personal level and in general, there should not be violence against anyone. A protest should also have its limits and red lines should not be crossed.”
She was asked whether the roadblocks set up by protesters are legitimate in her view and replied, “I have always said that, in my view, blocking roads or trains is illegal. As long as the legitimate demonstrations are diverted in the direction of provocateurs who are trying to derail the protest – the demonstrations will ultimately serve Levin and Rothman and not our cause.”
You all have better grasp of this than I but I listened on BBC to woman leader of Labour and it struck me with force she cared little for murdered Jews but much for what the Gentiles FELT.
SO I am with Edgar
With one extra point…I think the state is not doing propaganda ie logical explanation half enough
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I believe that you are wrong This is merely a delaying tactic until the end of the present Knesset session. It sounds “reasonable” to you, a lawyer, and used to such “negotiations”,,but to me, also somewhat, but less used to them, THIS one, the particular event, is so much on the right track that to slow it down is a crime.
Not surprisingly it comes from that Labour Hack -Herzog.
And it is undeniably tied to the massive “demonstrations”m and the refusals of Armed forces to obey their orders that it is orchestrated, beyond any doubt.
And, far from having the jump on Lapid, it’s more likely that they arranged it together, with Gantz chosen to push it out into the fresh air.
An attempted coup d’etat. Whichever way, he;ll take full advantage of it.
– Clarence Darrow
“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Freedom is a well-armed lamb. – Benjamin Franklin”
“”The operation. They would select a victim and threatened to beat him up if he paid them the so called, “protection money”. Four months later, they started another operation which they called, “the other operation” . In this racket, they selected another victim, and threatened not to beat him up, if he didn’t pay them. One month later, they hit upon, “the other other operation”. In this the victim was threatened that if he didn’t pay them, they would beat him up. This for the Piranha brothers, was the turning point.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJSxAgPmy2Y
How about this for a compromise: Israel will be a democracy Sunday though Tuesday and a judicial tyranny Wednesday through Friday with Saturday off for good behavior. 😀
There is no need for talks. Both sides have made their positions very clear. What is needed is an offer of support by National Unity. It should set out what amendments it wants and commit to voting for the legislation if it includes the changes. The government can decide if their support is worth the amendments. Its as simple as that. There is nothing to talk about and no reason to delay.
@Sebastien
LOLOLOL, very well deserved.
@Peloni Maybe, but wouldn’t a Great Purge be so much more fun? 😀
I found this so cathartic. God, I love it when these eliminationist antisemites and their left wing cheer leaders whine and shed pitiful tears. I think I’ll have some candy. Want some? 😀
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-former-knesset-speaker-attacked-soldiers-west-bank
@Sebastien
To be honest, the need for a week’s delay is neither needed for an open dialogue nor is it fatal to the process of judicial reform. If, however, a week would expand the consensus of support for the reform, I think it would be a significant victory. In truth, I do suspect that Haskel not putting forward her proposal without the agreed to week’s delay, is likely nothing more than an attempt to have a legal carve out placed in the bill to exclude any impact on Bibi’s trials, given the political nature of both Haskel and her party, that or some other measure which is also likely to purposefully annoy her former allies on the Right. Nonetheless, she references the delay could be rationalized around the coming Purim holiday, offering a face saving advantage to both sides.
Personally, I agree with Mukasey and Bell in seeing this bill is already a compromise, but I don’t see that an attempted negotiation with the minority towards achieving a greater consensus should be an altogether unacceptable concept, and it could result in sizeable gains for the passage of the legislation should the negotiations be successful.
Democracies are ruled by the majority, as you suggest, so such a negotiation is not necessary, but including the opposition in an open dialogue on any topic would be, I believe, a welcome change in the trajectory of Israeli politics. The majority will still rule upon the result of hearing the proposal made by Haskel and her cohorts, but I believe the dialogue alone would be a victory worth a week. Just my own thoughts of course.
Avi Bell on Judicial Reform:
Are the Proposed Judicial Reforms a Death Knell to Israeli Democracy?
Excellent interview!
Isn’t it part of the procedure that negotiations take place in between the second and final vote without stopping anything? There is nothing to be negotiated except tweaking details. This is about undoing oligarchy. Democracy is majority rule. A Jewish democracy should be government of, by, and for the Jews. Minorities who are hostile to Jews, antagonistic to Jewish supremacy should be deported.
The first democracies had slaves. Slaves, women, foreigners, peasants, the propertyless did not have the vote. It’s just a procedural mechanism.
Democracy is based upon the concept of negotiation, as it involves the deliberative techniques of open dialogue and reasonable compromises between parties of differing positions. This is how functioning democracies work – as contrasted with the boycotting tactics which Haskel and her New Hope allies have held fast in employing over the past near two years. Happy to see she has turned a new leaf and is willing to cross the aisle and negotiate with her opponents (who were formerly her allies not that long ago), presuming she is sincere in her statements.