T. Belman. Sleboda analyzes whether the recent Israel drone strike in Iran on their drone and missile production facilities was intended to hurt Russia’s war in Ukraine. DON’T MISS IT.
By MARK SLEBODA, REAL POLITICK 10/2/23
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He asks this important question:
If Israel really did target Iranian military facilities with the specific intent to inhibit Iranian supply of weapon systems to Russia, that would be a huge escalation, not just between Israel and Iran, nor just between Israel and Russia, but it would mark the first time that the Ukrainian conflict had spread outside of the immediate theatre – countries aligned with and supplying arms to either the West-backed Kiev Putsch regime or Russia directly attacking each other over the conflict in Ukraine.
Strangely even though the posting by Ted deals with the using of poison gas in this war you say not a word. Can I ask why?
@Ted
Yes, I think Israel should not be playing the role of the American proxy in the Middle East, and particularly as it relates to America’s policy in Ukraine since doing so completely conflicts with Israel’s own interests. Israel has to form her own identity, separate from the US to whatever degree that takes her. With the current govt in Washington seeking to aid Iran in its domination of the region, as evident from both its personnel and its active policies, Israel must seek a third way. Doing so under the first set of Obama’s terms was met with such success that it gave rise to the Abraham Accords, and hopefully Bibi will find the means to once again successfully assert the fact that what is important for Israel is not to appease the US, but to protect Israel, herself. I would suggest that the current dynamic in the Middle East is less than stable, and offers Israel the unique opportunity of becoming the Ukraine of the region, whereby the Jewish State becomes the dispensable US proxy fighting not its own battles, but those of the unbridled war posturing Americans leadership. Such an ill advised possibility must be opposed without exception, not only in fact but in appearance as well, making it plain for all to see clearly.
Felix,
OH Hell, we are in trouble!
Sorry that last was answering Ted
I differ from many people because I do not accept what is but look to a new day
I am a revolutionary.
And we are in the midst of change, for good or bad, depending on our action.
Like on a knife edge situation, leadership decides
It is pretty much as you say
But while I understand the problem of Iran I feel that it is always necessary to seek for the defeat of Fascism.
I want to see Israel in alliance with these countries and there are.many fighting this Ukrainian Fascism
I have studied their history.
Michael
The history under Stalin is grievous.
Under the Bolsheviks one largely of defence of Jews and glorious
Again from 1941 under Stalin until 1945 one of heroism and a war against Nazism
And that Nazism was joined with Ukrainian Fascism to surface again today against Russia
I do not feel even comfortable with people who support this Fascism.
I am not in any way on their wavelength
@Peloni
We are all speculating because we do not know what the facility was doing when we destroyed it. If it in fact was producing drones and missiles, or was going to, the next question would be how many of them are intended for Russia and how many for Syria.
When Israel wanted to attack Iran in Syria, she met with Putin and worked out a deconfliction agreement. It seems to me that barring any pressure by the US, if Israel wanted to destroy these facilities, she would have met with Putin to ascertain how important it was to him. Israel could have backed off and continued their present policy of attacking Iranian supplies in Syria.
I want Israel to refrain from doing the US bidding.
Michael
I watched that Pfizer piece. That is real rubbish journalism. I took their vaccine twice plus booster and glad to.
Felix, this one’s for you:
https://ugetube.com/watch/tragic-ending-for-the-russians-unit-which-traveled-6000-milesto-be-destroyed-at-vuhledar-2023_YYyktaBO6ll7TFk.html
The imperialist aggressors here are not the Americans; they are the Russians.
You have no basis beyond a false interpretation of Bibi’s words to draw you to think that Israel was in fact motivated to act as Sleboda claims, as a US proxy for Ukraine in the Middle East. Israel has her own interests in assaulting Iran, and needs no further motivation to do so. Furthermore, if Washington is not leaking the notion that US insistence was in fact the motivation behind the current Iranian threat, this silence would certainly provide some testimony against its truth, as this is exactly the sort of secret which the current administration has enjoyed releasing so as to compromise Israel’s position.
Recall that Sleboda thinks that Israel is acting under US pressure to attack Iran to secretly offset Russia’s drone shipments. This is the same US which is still sending billions of dollars in sanction relief to the Mullahs by manipulating the US sanctions for no other reason than to increase the Russian trade and benefit Iran’s nuclear program. This is the context in which Israel would be submitting to its American masters according to Sleboda’s theory, which adds further reason to disbelieve his claim is accurate.
But, believe Sleboda’s claim or not, we will see what comes next in this battle of blusters between Moscow and Jerusalem for greater context of the truth. For the present, I would suggest that there is very little to support your notion that Sleboda’s theory is in fact accurate.
Peloni
If you think Israel can attack Russia’s drones in Iran and maintain the same deal re Syria you are fooling yourself
@Peloni
I hope you are right. This is the first time Israel attacked so far inside Iran. Could it be that she did so to appease the US. After all, one can not assume that the biggest benefactor of the destruction of this facility was Israel and not the US.
As I said, I hope you are right.
In the above passage from Bibi’s statement, it should be noted that Israel is not in a position to actually parse out what drones will be sent to Russia as opposed to those that will be sent to Syria and Lebanon. The idea that Israel is acting as Ukraine’s proxy in the Middle East defies any sensible rationale. By Israel attacking Iran’s weapons industry, Israel is helping Ukraine, but I would suggest, and I think it is fairly supportable, that Israel is not doing so to help Ukraine but to help Israel and her allies. Stated differently, I think it is fair to suggest that what Bibi’s statement portends is that Ukraine is indirectly benefiting from Israel’s attacks on Iran’s weapons shipments, which is directly the cause of pursuing Israel’s own interests, not that of Ukraine. I think this is a fair interpretation.
Israel won’t stop her attacks, and this depletes Iran’s shipments, begging the question to whom should Iran’s reduced armaments be sent – Russia or Hezbollah?
Furthermore, Sleboda makes the comment in his closing passages that
But this inflection on Bibi’s words is completely absent in Bibi’s own statement. He never said that Israel attacks Iran “with the specific intent to inhibit Iranian [supplies]… to Russia” or anything similar to it. Is Sleboda really trying to impute Israel’s “specific intent” when she attacks Iranian shipments? This does seem a stretch too far, to be honest. In fact, I would suggest that for anyone to make the presumption that Israel would or could dissemble which drones might be addressed to Russia rather than to Lebanon does seem to be a bit of a silly proposition. Bibi’s comment references an indirect benefit to Ukraine of Israel degrading Iran’s weapon shipments and nothing more, or so it seems reasonable to me, in any event.
The truth behind this statement contains a caveat which Sleboda ignores and which must also be considered. In fact, the conflict spread outside of the theatre when Russia brought Iranian arms shipments into the theatre to begin with. The act of Russia including Iran in this war is no more alarming, and I would suggest far less alarming, than Israel degrading Iran’s weapon shipments, which it has been doing for over a decade. Russia will act to support her own military needs and the defense and protection of her army and her civilians, and this is reasonable. Is it not also reasonable that Israel should be allowed to do the same for her military and civilians, even if in doing so it benefits Ukraine?
Is this Coalition in Israel preparing to carry out its worst betrayal of Jews?
That is to attack the Iranian supply of arms to Russia to use against Ukrainian Fascists.
This will immediately scupper the open deal or alliance between Russia and Israel.
This deal helps Israel to defend itself in Syria and Lebanon against Antisemitism.
As long as Israel is a supporter of American Imperialism this is always likely to keep happening.
The very words out of the mouths of Netanyahu and Prosor tells me they are itching to carry out one of the greatest betrayals ever of the Jews.
“We help – albeit behind the scenes – and much more than is known. …As you know, the Israeli army regularly blocks arms shipments from Iran to Syria and Lebanon. These include Iranian drones and missiles that Russia is using in Ukraine.” ”
Every word in this last paragraph by Ron Prosor is filled with large question marks and danger.
We have seen how sections of the present Israeli ruling class are prepared over the years to follow American Empire no matter what.
Netanyahu was particularly close to Trump and didn’t differentiate from any of Trump’s evil. His opponents also evil.
Such a dangerous thing.
Now this article is here and it underlines a new dangerous situation.
Is Israel under this shaky Coalition making the worst move ever…getting stuck with the rest of the world in support of these Fascists.
It somehow seems even worse because these Ukrainian Fascist forces were part and parcel of the Holocaust of the Jews.
Peloni thank you.
I meant to write “Russia”
There is a very deep bias against communism and there is a wide layer it seems to me who are always attacking socialism and Communism.
It is as basic as that.
This means a continuous effort which is very harmful.
For example there is a struggle against the Pogroms in that whole period from when Bolsheviks first came on the scene.
A whole period when history has been thereby distorted.
And in this war the bias of Glick.against Russia leads into danger for Jews
Once again there is a crisis of leadership in the Jewish people.
@Felix
I don’t think this is remotely supportable. Perhaps you mis-typed this?
““Israel… acts in ways that I will not itemize here against Iran’s weapons productions, which are used against Ukraine,” Netanyahu said.
The Israeli Ambassador to Germany, Ron Prosor, also mentioned Iranian drones and missiles when he said Israel does more to help Ukraine than is publicly known.
“We help – albeit behind the scenes – and much more than is known. …As you know, the Israeli army regularly blocks arms shipments from Iran to Syria and Lebanon. These include Iranian drones and missiles that Russia is using in Ukraine.”
Are these Israeli leaders out of their minds?
I listened to a recent Caroline Glick podcast, every second it was left this and left that. As Martin Sherman wrote once this does not mean communist. But anti patriot. Still Glick seems to hate Russia totally.
So thereby these political leaders in Israel ARE SYMPATHIZING with Fascists.
To back up my contention I have never heard ONE good word for Israel from Glick.