By Hana Levi Julian, JEWISH PRESS
The Judea and Samaria Law failed to pass a vote in the Knesset plenum late Monday night.
The bill presented by New Hope Justice Minister Gideon Sa’ar and supported by the coalition, fell in a vote of 58 to 52. Ahead of the vote, Sa’ar declared it the vote that would decide the fate of the coalition based on how the coalition members voted.
Had it passed, the law which expires at the end of this month would have continued to give the State of Israel jurisdiction over Israeli citizens living in Judea and Samaria.
The law, which has been approved and reauthorized every five years since 1967, also affects law enforcement in Jewish communities in the region.
Former coalition head Yamina MK Idit Silman left the room to avoid casting her ballot, as did Islamic Ra’am (United Arab List) party chairman Mansour Abbas.
Ra’am MK Mazen Ghanaim and Meretz MK Ghaida Rinawie Zoabi both voted against the measure.
Upon hearing the results, Arab Joint List chairman Ayman Odeh and faction colleague MK Ahmad Tibi both broke into applause.
There will be attempts to fast track the bill again over the next few weeks, as well as find workarounds via the army.
The most major significance of the bill not passing is that it is an indicator that the coalition, while technically still in existence, has fallen apart. The coalition can still limp along until Lapid takes over for Bennett in the rotation deal for Prime Minister, but at this point, it seems that either a new government will be formed within this Knesset or until the budget doesn’t pass, which would trigger new elections around 13 months from now.
PM Naftali Bennett said he would keep bringing the bill to the Knesset until it passes.
It’s been pointed out that a previous critical coalition bill (citizenship bill) also failed in its initial reading, until the coalition later agreed to work with the opposition to pass a much improved version of the law. This could turn out be the opportunity to pass a sovereignty bill.
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Sebastian: Don’t blame Jesus for Christians.
@Honeybee Apparently. Who knew? Jesus! $&@?!,
@Honeybee Yes. But, I didn’t know that. Just hoogled it. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2012%3A22-28&version=NKJV
The Christian version comes across as gibberish, unless you have studied it, however, like a lot of pre-Enlightenment writings, especially the Christian ones, I’m sorry to say, Lincoln was talking about ” a nation half slave and half free.” And the events that led to the American civil war. I was quoting Lincoln.
@PELONI-
What you regard as “kind words”, I regard as unvarnished fact. I admire the way that you “lay out” your details, layer by layer…Doing just that. leaves the reader no unanswered issues. Any average mind could understand it. Especially when , as in this case, it is not medically technical.
You may recall, I’m sure you do, that in the past I described your present (repeated) situation as akin to the hamster running around an enclosed wheel. It doesn’t do it for exercise, but to GET SOMEWHERE. .
At the same time, I very much admire the quality which make a combative person, I am one myself, always was. I also never conceded, but I was much younger then, and have since learned when to “fold” and admit perceived error. I learn by this, am still learning., makes me look further into the issue. and more.
As a kid, we were taught that the shape of the Hamantaschen were based on Haman’s ears, Hitler had the same, pointing to a direct descent. But by barmitzvah time I knew better..
Reader does some very good research, and puts his points well, but when on shaky ground, refuses to concede, making it hard not to use ridicule, which I have to say, I, exasperated, often do, .But I like the exchanges, as he always brings out something I didn’t know before and I learn from it.
In the long run, however, I am always reminded of the booklet I have about the answers to give to a “missionary”, when he tries to get you “entangled”on the doorstep. It is, “40 times zero is still zero”..
As for tzvi-gad, I mentioned “kidding” to give him an “exit”. although, like you, I feel he’s serious.
Sebastien: ““A house divided cannot stand.” – Abraham Lincoln
And this house is divided against itself.” Didn’t Jesus say that first?
Reader: Sad!!!!! There was a time when Israelis were an aggressive no-nonsense people.
@Honeybee
Because you can take the Jew out of the ghetto but you cannot take the ghetto out of the Jew.
Israel’s military recently celebrated (literally) the completion of a new (ghetto) wall between Israel and Gaza.
Justice is partisan and the party in power uses the pretext of patriotism to sell the country out to her enemies.
Does it have to be that way?
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/354634
Lapid denied it on Twitter. Who should we believe?
In April, the Joint List head called for Arab Israeli cops to quit. Just now, he called for Jews and Arabs to refuse military service.
Israel is like America
Sebastian: Why must Jews in Israel live in the same fear as their ancestors in Eastern Europe? Anyone; tell me why Israel with its fabled military must live in fear?
@Edgar
Thank you for your kind words. I am ever pleased to see you find some interest and merit in my commentary. I do enjoy the dialogues in which I partake here on Israpundit, and am flattered as always that you and others take the time and effort to read them. I have tried to tailor my input to a shorter length, but doing so still leaves them at some length to read. I know my failing in this point annoys Reader and others, but I do like to make myself clearly understood, and find even a short explanation fails the description of being short. We all have our deficits in life and I suppose my lack of brevity will ever stand in that column.
This point of controversy between Reader and myself over the validity of supporting this govt of self interest and bribes seems to be a never ending point of contention. I perceive his lack of interest or ability to clearly explain why he disagrees with my comments beyond describing myself as a silly minded fool suggests to me he has no valid response to counter my argument. And so round and round we go…of course, the journey, itself, is interesting even if the ultimate destination is easily predictable.
Regarding the statement by Tzvi-Gad, I have to admit I was greatly taken aback by it. He gave no indication that he was jesting in his statement, but I would be glad to hear it was an attempt at sarcasm that is often difficult to detect in the written form – I personally have failed to seriously master the art so much that I usually do make the effort or note my attempt with the word “” so that I am not mistaken for holding the views I am trying to shade with a failed attempt of sarcasm. Still, I honestly do not believe sarcasm was the intent of Tzi-Gad’s words, but I would be quite happy to hear I am quite mistaken on this point.
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/354549
So many stories like this. This coalition is disfunctional. It needs to be replaced.
“A house divided cannot stand.” – Abraham Lincoln
And this house is divided against itself.
They have until the end of June to pass the law. This is called, “playing chicken” and the first one to blink and swerve loses.
@PELONI-
Re; Politics…..BRAVO…BRAVISSIMO. !! A masterful exposition….!!
I see you are enjoying yourself, and I enjoy reading your very focused posts, every single word.
Who is this guy tzvi-gad…Is he “real’ ?? Or has he escaped from confinement somewhere.?? Or is he just kidding us. ?? I wonder which “Law” he’s talking about….?
What is the fuss about? It seems that people, Yehudim, are forgetting this is a care-taker ‘knesset’ in occupation. None of the laws created by this knesset since 1947 are actual laws of Yisrael because it is illegal in Law.
@Reader
I am sure you have an expertise in many things, but it would be remarkably odd that you could count my political thinking among them, and indeed, this statement proves your great ignorance of my thoughts on politics. Politics is a deadly serious business. It can consume and redesign the lives of everyone involved, those who vote, as well as those who run for office. Politics can divide your wealth, devastate your health and even cost you your life or that of those you hold most dear. It is certainly no silly amusement as a circus, nor is it a faux battle as is a sports match, as you suggest is my estimate of its import.
If we might not abuse each other by casting aspersions upon each others opinions, we might find more time to discuss the actual topics raised, which have nothing to do with me, or you directly.
It was the responsibility of the govt to pass that bill or release their control so that a govt which could pass it might be formed. This was the point. Bennett finally found the gravitas to actually do what was necessary and pass the new bill at a later date, but it was his failing to have not done it in the window of time before the bill expired.
This is true, which is why a new election should have been called, but the govt of self-interest had a higher calling to support, namely their own self interests.
Careful, your obsession is showing once more.
This isn’t about Bibi, as Bibi might not even survive the challenge to lead Likud in the next election. I do believe he likely will succeed, but, well, politics is too interesting to predict such things as certain. In any case, it isn’t about Bibi, Likud or Bennett. It is about the ability of the govt to carry out the functions it was formed to succeed in securing for the good of the state, not the good of the members of the govt, regardless of who is PM. By maintaining his govt without passing some version of that bill in a timely fashion, he placed the import of his govt and his position in it over the import of the state. Defend that if you can.
So, instead of population exchange we exchanged cultures (not that the Jews hsve ever been that great on compromising but now we are really going downhill).
I don’t mean the “painful concessions and compromises”, I mean working with each other for the good of the country and the people.
@peloni
You are not going to convince me.
You think that politics is a circus or a sports’ match, I don’t.
The opposition supported both laws but voted against them on purpose to show that the coalition could not do it alone – DUH!
If the roles were reversed, the alleged “right wing” (which it isn’t) couldn’t do anything either – the latest polls show that it elections were held now, they would be one vote short of the majority.
The opposition parties are traitors, and those who go along with them from the coalition are traitors, too, and I won’t read your dissertations on how it is necessary to destroy the Israel in order to put Beebee Baby back in power.
@Reader
Do we have to do this dance again? Well, if we do, we should describe it more accurately than you have done, I believe, to be fair.
The failure of the citizenship bill was the failure of the govt, and this should have brought the govt to its end, even if this were the only failure to the state which it cause. Of course, it was not the only failure, as becomes evident when considering the ceding of Jewish lands to Arabs, State funds to the Brotherhood and high office for the delightful dentist. Ignoring these points for just a moment, when the govt found they had not enough votes to pass the citizenship bill on the first or final attempt, it should have brought about an election to provide a govt that could successfully pass this vital bill. In fact, the bill was ultimately replaced with a better substitution, and so this was a success, in the long run, and this victory was not won by the govt, but by the opposition whose obstinacy brought it about. It was not within the control of the opposition to bring down the govt, so rather than trust this govt of self interest the ability to control the quotas, they forced a better bill. Of course, it was the govt’s duty to solve this dilemma sooner than it did or call for elections, but its ideology of self-interest would not allow its own self-interest to be placed lower than that of the state. Hence, the Opposition had their ultimate victory of a stronger bill, yet this victory was really for the state. Meanwhile, the period of interregnum between the passing of the old bill and the passage of the new bill, well, that responsibility would lie with the govt’s insolvent ability to either pass the old bill or to pass the new bill or, failing both of these viable choices in a timely manner, it should have ended the reign of this govt based on bribes and fraud at that point and declared its dissolution a victory.
As far as the notion that
it is a fair statement, but seeing that this was not a possibility, as demonstrated in the serious crisis presented by the citizenship bill, why was there no call for a dissolution of the govt by “ten-steps-to-the-Right-of-Bibi” Bennett and his Right wing allies? It is a fair question. The citizenship bill was a serious dilemma but it was not to be the only such dilemma. The only thing that kept this govt dependent upon the Arabs was its unwillingness to either negotiate a Jewish Right wing govt, or at worst, seek a new election. You place the blame of the Arabs in this govt upon Bibi and Likud, but it was Bennett’s govt that failed to pass this bill, failed to dissolve the govt, failed to protect the Jewish lands, failed to withhold the Arab bribe prize, and failed to maintain their own Red Lines. You say this was Bibi, but your obvious bias is blazon upon this statement. It was a breakdown within the fundamental processes of governmental formations that empowered the Arabs to ingratiate the ambition of Bennett due to the obstructionist nature of Saar. Quite a scenario, but the egos that laid out this breakdown was within those who handed out the bribes to Meretz and Raam to join them, not with those who withheld their votes from supporting this infamy. Whereas it might be fairly stated that Bibi needed to find a way to pass the citizenship bill, which ultimately he did do, it is more accurate that Bennett needed to find a way to pass a budget that did not pay billions of sheckels to an organization that legitimizes the use of terror, which he failed to do. Bibi had no way to stop these bribes beyond the obstructionist actions he took, dangerous as this action was. Yet, Bennett had every manner of stopping these facts, well before they were ever promised and long before they were ever consummated.
@peloni
The opposition does not sit in a parliament in order to destroy the coalition but to offer different solutions and cooperation when necessary to make the government work.
This opposition is VILE and TRAITOROUS because it is at least the 2nd time when it prevents one of the most important laws in the country to be renewed.
If the opposition and the coalition worked together, they would not have needed the Arab parties and they wouldn’t be subject to the Arab parties blackmail because they would have enough votes without them.
But these traitors are ready to destroy the country in order to destroy their political enemies.
Netanyahu recently said that he is constantly on the phone with the Americans – is this where he gets the orders to destroy the government from?
There will not be any Zionist government in Israel in the near future because Israel gave up on Zionism, and the opposition has nothing to do with “right wing”.
Jews have to work together for the good of the country, and not for the good of some “wings” or their political idols.
@Reader
It is the coalition which is destroying the country, rewarding the supporters of terrorism with gifts of billions in cash, ceding of land, and the power of governmental posts, even as terrorists paint the streets red with Jewish blood once again. They have made strides toward re-establishing the legitimacy of the TSS with the constant tirades of Lapid and the gifts made by Gantz. They have brazenly made public statements involving the State in the Ukrainian affair, voting against Russia before the UN when a more temperate mentality was required to avoid the public reproaches of Russia, whose support is now more at risk than since Bibi first established his accord with Putin.
Indeed, whatever does come next, it will be an improvement simply to at last be rid of this coalition with anti-Zionist Jews and Brotherhood Arabs. Hopefully a Zionist govt will actually replace this chaotic mess of self interested parties whose only fidelity has been to the bribes of power and stately gifts which formed the true ideology of this govt. This, of course, is yet to be certain, as it will likely require a new election. and, as the 2020 US election has proven, elections sometimes prove to be a fickle inventory of the public’s desires and interests. Hopefully, the possibility gained will be a Zionist choice more representative of the public than this outgoing nightmare, should we ever successfully see it go out.
This is the fault of the traitorous opposition whose aim is to destroy the coalition even if it destroys the country.
So now it comes to be seen what path Saar and the other wayward members of the Right will decide for the nation. There is a great deal riding on their judgement, just as there has been over the past year. Hopefully their ability to judge a proper course has been restored and a Right wing govt will be assembled to meet the challenges that this govt of spare parts was specifically designed to ignore.