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no to nuclear Iran, no to two-state solution, no to bi-national state
@peloni
I am NOT obsessed with “Bibi”.
In fact I am so NOT obsessed with “Bibi” that I actually mentioned to you that I didn’t want to post that article by Feiglin in order not to cause a predictable reaction from Netanyahu’s fans.
I posted it only because you wanted to read it, and I warned you in bold typeface that I DON’T WANT to talk about Bibi or read about him.
As far as Feiglin is concerned, he used to be an excellent activist but he failed as a politician.
This is enough for me, I have no need to discuss it further.
@Reader
Your obsession with Bibi is legendary, while your kind support for Feiglen is ironic. But each to their own…
By the way, the line that I liked best in this list of “facts” as it best displays your “facts” as insupportable, is the following:
Truly he must have added this “fact” to his list during one of his off stage foot slapping moments or after consulting with someone as toxicly obsessed with demonizing Bibi as you have come to present yourself. How on earth can you or Feiglin seriously claim that Bibi and Trump are conspiring to split Jerusalem after they were the two under whom the Eternal City was officially reunited. I have a respect for your abilities that is honestly questioned by such obviously unhinged claims of fantasy that could only be accepted as factual if you detach every element of reason and honest analysis from your inspection. Of course, you can believe what faith based delusions of conspiracy supports your hatred of Bibi, but they are as convincing as a Biden press conference, so I will leave you to support such silly claims without further commentary.
@peloni
It is not a listing of attacks, it’s a listing of facts, and it is not a full list.
Feiglin points out quite correctly that “There has never been a leader like him [Netanyahu], who is so beloved by his constituents even after he repeatedly slaps them in the face.”
As far as the rest of the Knesset members (Right, Left, Center, Chareidi, and the Arabs), I think all of them should be swept out of there with a dirty broom, and the Knesset should be refilled with the Jews whose priority is their country and their people rather than their sectoral and personal interests and political survival, and who don’t find the word “aliyah” shameful and unpronounceable, and who don’t lick the boots of their colonial master.
@Reader
Thanks for the link. I thought it was related to Ulpana evacuation but I see it is just a listing of past attacks on Bibi. Not really what I was looking for, but thanks in any case.
I hadn’t stated anything in defense of Bibi in my post, by the way. Feiglin and Bibi had some bad history, but Feiglin came out in the recent past and declared it wasn’t personal and that he bore him no ill will, which must certainly been after he lodged the attacks in the link you shared. Regardless, Feiglin clearly had some potential to do something but he spent it all on making a complete ass of himself on a public interview. How could anyone soon forget his stoned giggle as he affectionately slapped at the foot of some interviewer while guzzling whiskey from a bottle, LOLOLOL. That really has to be the most egregious unforced error in political history. Too bad that he imploded so completely, as he could have split the anti-Bibi vote with Saar in the last election and knocked them both out of the Knessett. Regardless of what you believe about anything else, keeping Abas, Horowitz, Gantz and Lapid at minimum from being in a position of power that they possess today would certain be a benefit. Curious if you would agree on this point at least?
@peloni
I’ll post it – reluctantly – I didn’t want to do it because I had anticipated all the Netanyahu’s defenses that you listed in your post (without you even having read the article which is NOT on the Ulpana situation even though it mentions Ulpana once), and I don’t want to talk about Bibi or read about him.
I don’t like Feiglin because as a politician he failed to accomplish anything in spite of having great ideas, however, he is honest – maybe that’s why he failed as a politician, and I don’t have the habit of hating people:
https://www.hyehudi.org/bibi-is-awake-and-so-are-all-the-chareidi-politicians/
@Reader
Can you post the link for the Feignlin article. He is always entertaining, though not always responsible, in his statements. In any case, I would be interested in discerning any substance in his attack of Bibi on the Ulpana situation, which is what I presume you were referencing. He does have a sizeable personal hatred of Bibi, yes, him too, though not so deranged as that of Lieberman and Saar, and perhaps yourself too, no offense, but I would still appreciate the link if you have it handy.
@Reader
@Sebastien
The issue was a hot topic in early 2017 when Freidman was nominated as ambassador. Later that year in the Fall, the construction was agreed to regarding 296 units and this was later expanded to include 600 units in 2018. In the time up to 2020, ie Covid lockdown, there had been 136 construction properties begun. I am not certain as to what has happened in the past two years though. Here are a couple of links:
https://peacenow.org.il/en/settlement-construction-report-2020
https://fmep.org/resource/settlement-report-may-25-2018/
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5268046,00.html
I believe I read that the construction was to be based on a 5yr plan which would obviously be interupted by the Covid Hoax, but I can’t find the support of this recollection.
@Reader
Can you post the link for the Feignlin article. He is always entertaining, though not always responsible, in his statements. In any case, I would be interested in discerning any substance in his attack of Bibi on the Ulpana situation, which is what I presume you were referencing. He does have a sizeable personal hatred of Bibi, yes, him too, though not so deranged as that of Lieberman and Saar, and perhaps yourself too, no offense, but I would still appreciate the link if you have it handy.
@Reader
@Sebastien
The issue was a hot topic in early 2017 when Freidman was nominated as ambassador. Later that year in the Fall, the construction was agreed to regarding 296 units and this was later expanded to include 600 units in 2018. In the time up to 2020, ie Covid lockdown, there had been 136 construction properties begun. I am not certain as to what has happened in the past two years though. Here are a couple of links:
https://peacenow.org.il/en/settlement-construction-report-2020
https://fmep.org/resource/settlement-report-may-25-2018/
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5268046,00.html
I believe I read that the construction was to be based on a 5yr plan which would obviously be interupted by the Covid Hoax, but I can’t find the support of this recollection.
@Sebastian Zorn
I got curious about the final fate of the Ulpana neighborhood of Bet El which was destroyed by the Supreme Court and the government in 2012.
I was actually trying to find out who Rabbi Zalman Melamed is or was and found out that he is the founder and the owner of Arutz Sheva, then I found a nasty post from 2012 bout his alleged role in the Ulpana expulsion which (the post) I thought might have been overly harsh.
This sent me looking for the info about the Ulpana neighborhood of Bet El and what happened to it in the end because Netanyahu promised to rebuild it even better at another location.
Then, of course, I wanted to know whether Netanyahu kept his promise, and couldn’t find any info on what happened to Ulpana and its former residents.
In the meanwhile, I found that Netanyahu played a fine trick with Ulpana – on the one hand, shouting publicly that Ulpana must not be destroyed, on the other hand, making sure (with threats) that the vote to retain it would fail.
The Supreme Court made the decision to destroy it before having the evidence that the Arabs, in fact, owned the land it was built on (the settlers were accused (I suspect, falsely) of forging the ownership documents).
I also discovered an article about Netanyahu by Moshe Feiglin which I decided not to post in order not to cause another blow up from Bibi’s fans.
I couldn’t find any info about what happened in the end to Ulpana, so I decided to ask you in case you might have better luck than I did.
@Reader Well, I found nothing later than 2012, either. Do you believe this reflects on Trump and Friedman or is this a different topic?
@Sebastien Zorn
Could you do me a favor and find out whether the Ulpana neighborhood of Bet El where Rabbi Zalman Melamed resides and which (Ulpana) was evacuated in 2012 has ever been rebuilt?
I can’t find the info on the final status, maybe you’ll be able to?
@ Sebastien Zorn
For political reasons, I suspect.
Great Britain issued the Balfour Declaration for political reasons also, not because they actually wanted to create a Jewish national home which they later made every effort to destroy including locking the Jews in Europe during WWII.
@Sebastien Zorn
I never said that these people wanted to ethnically cleanse the Jews.
HOWEVER,
Friedman, Kushner, and Trump are/were working for the government which is fully aware that Israel becomes indefensible if an Arab state is created in Judea and Samaria (the US was made aware of it in the 1960s by a report authored by its military – and, yet, the creation of that state has remained a major task of the US government ever since), and Friedman, Kushner, and Trump must be aware of this fact also while working very closely with the plan that creates a “Palestinian” state around Israel and cuts israel at the waist with a tunnel from the West Bank to Gaza with most of the West Bank going to the Arabs.
Therefore, they have contributed mightily to the possible eventual demise of the Jewish state and its 7-8 million Jewish citizens.
No amount of their donations can erase this fact.
Reader
Friedman, Kushner and Trump made generous donations to the Yesha town of Beit El before Trump ran for President. How does this gibe with your theory that they wanted to ethnically cleanse the Jews?
Fund Headed by Trump’s Israel Ambassador Pumped Tens of Millions Into West Bank Settlement
Rabbi heading yeshiva supported by David Friedman’s organization called on soldiers to resist orders to evacuate settlements.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-fund-headed-by-trump-s-ambassador-raised-millions-of-dollars-for-settlement-1.5474789
Inside the Religious West Bank Settlement That Forged President Trump’s Israel Policy
What is it about Beit El that has so captured the attention and donations of key figures in the incoming U.S. administration, all the way up to Trump himself?
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-inside-the-west-bank-settlement-at-the-heart-of-trump-s-israel-policy-1.5486631
Trump donated $10,000 to West Bank settlement of Beit El, founder says
Former MK Yaakov Katz says 2003 gift was made in honor of David Friedman, who was just tapped as envoy to Israel
https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-donated-10000-to-west-bank-settlement-of-beit-el-founder-says/
This is a a very important interview. Friedman is impressive.
I like the reference to a “sledgehammer” approach. Trump used it against UNRWA and the PA cutting them off and destroying their narrative.
But I disagree with Friedland’s opinion that Obama embraced the Iranians in order to get them to be less aggressive. I think he wanted to use them as a proxy to extend American power.
Obama’s embrace of the Muslim Brotherhood and Iran even before he became president was to make them an ally of the states rather than to ameliorate their policies.
I was disappointed that neither discussed the 4 year time limit imposed on the PA to make a deal. It would have been interesting.
Excellent! Everyone should watch this.