https://rumble.com/v116s3v-russias-lies-about-ukraine..html
GLAZOV’S GANG
T. Belman. I find this interview to be very disturbing because it refutes my bias. But I can’t ignore it. Jamie Glazov is an expat Russian. He kept challenging the expert with things that I believe. But the expert refuted everything.
This is a real shake up for me.
@Honeybee
When you say this, are you suggesting that Nyquist is being honest in his statements? He is making absolutely false assertions as I have described. Whatever our relative perspectives might be, we should be able to have an honest discussion of the facts. Russia’s position in this war is not that they could ignore the borders as long as they did not use nuclear weapons as Nyquist claims. It is not a war of Ukrainian independence that was settled in 1991. The Maidan Massacre brought an 8 member Nazi party to hold 5 cabinet positions and brought the Azov Nazi military unit, unreformed, into the military where it was placed into a position of prominence. Among the other volunteer units incorporated into the govt forces, the Tornado Battallion was also brought under govt control without reform and resulted in war crimes of rape, murder, etc, being addressed under civil law without ackowledgement as being war crimes, as attested to by the BBC. Nyqist ignores all of this and also the 15,000 dead resulting from the Dombas war while he claims the Ukrainians came together under the agreement they did not want to be ruled by Moscow – then who are the DPR and LPR groups fighting along the Russians against the Nazi and regular elements in the Ukrainian forces? The Ukrainians increased their bombardment of the Dombass in the days prior to the Russian invasion.
A fair discussion of these facts may not bridge the differences between those you describe as suffering the death of innocence and those that Felix describes as supporting Nazi’s, but a fair discussion is necessary to have any relavence. To articulate one’s position based on lies is the work of a propagandists, and I think anyone should be able to agree to this point. If you believe the criticisms I have shared of Nyquist’s comments are poorly based, I would be curious how you might support his statements as being honest.
@Felix
Sorry, I misunderstood your comment.
yawl are suffering the death of innocence
That is no lie has a meaning That is indeed the truth. I was backing you up. Anyways…
@Felix
I wasn’t saying Lavrov was lying about the content of the Budapest Memorandum, as he clearly was not. I said Nyquist was lying about Lavrov’s comment on the Budapest Memorandum to mislead people into believing the Russian’s position was clearly unfounded.
Peloni this reference to the central Budapest Memorandum is very correct. Even anybody with just common sense would know this would be in it and would be central
So that is no lie.
It also shows how central the Donbass was in the overall situation
Also how much Putin and we can say the whole Russian side hoped and worked for legality
Also how upset they were with the emergence of the new Fascist regime.
(I define Fascism as Trotsky did moving outside of parliament or of parliamentary norms)
But even more. The fact that the United States of America and later the EU backing the Fascists (as Trotsky described Fascism) meant a complete loss of faith of the Russians in everything.
They truly had been driven into a corner.
So in February 2022 to where? To as you say to war or I say to some kind of non colonising war as we have experienced. The Russians used the phrase “military operation” because they did not seek taking possession of Ukraine. Only to be able to live at peace with Ukraine. Which was denied them by RUSSOPHOBIA.
While I back Russia unconditionally and while I reject calling their war reactionary I will also add that we cannot now use war as the solution to anything and for one major reason.
Which is that there’s a massive chunk of this society which is SHOWING ITSELF to be prepared to go to the very BRINK OF THE PRECIPICE of inflicting a Nuclear Catastrophe on our earth.
In a very real way Putin was left with no way out. But we must ensure that we find a real alternative.
Nyquist goes on to describe the Maidan Massacre as being due to govt “violence with the riot police where the people say you can’t beat up our kids”. Yet another lie. This is a gross distortion of the plotted murder of dozens of innocent unarmed civilians who were executed, not by the govt riot police as Nyquist suggests, but by the Nazi paramilitary forces. The trajectory of the bullets in the Maidan Massacre all came from a building that was exclusively controlled by Svoboda, the Nazi political party, which later filled the Duma with armed guards while the political settlement described by Victoria Nuland weeks previously, was certified. This is how the small Nazi minority gained undue control over the govt including the significant NSDC which controlled the internal security of the state and wielded police power within the country.
Based on these very easily recognizable distortions and outright lies, I am quite disappointed in Glazov. This is simply propaganda.
Nyquist also completely distorts Lavrov’s comments on the Budapest Memorandum by stating that Lavrov claimed that it isn’t that “we[Russia] can’t attack Ukraine, we just can’t attack them with nuclear weapons”. Here is Lavrov’s comments on the Memorandum dated from February:
https://www.mid.ru/en/press_service/minister_speeches/1797897/
Whatever you believe about these comments, Nyquist’s summation of Larov’s statement does not remotely resemble Larov’s words nor their content.
@Sebastien
No. This Nyquist is a very decietful fellow, sharing many complete lies. Instead of ever mentioning the civil war, he makes the unbelievable blatant lie that
I didn’t have the patience to listen to the whole thing. Did he mention the 14,000 who died in the Donbass over 8 years of Ukrainian government and Azov shelling?
Quite right. And they do go back to Bandera and the Holocaust. The point is there was wide collaboration with the Nazis
Fact is that has been hidden.
And that made the 2014 coup happen and swing the country post coup. The coup was decisive and both these two men work together to produce a narrative here that totally distorts reality
https://www.brandeis.edu/now/2021/july/bioweapons-samore.html
He justifies hiring bio-warfare scientists to keep them from going to countries like North Korea and asks, ” Doesn’t that make sense?”
Uhhh, no.
This is a good point and maybe the heart of the issue. Also the link to Hamas tactics.
I have emphasized that the roots of these movements in Ukraine date back to the Bandera Nazi era. The big issue in politics today is that these were Fascists who led in murdering a million and a half Jews in the Holocaust. This is the main political issue today and is the issue that all sides and many different flavours in political current would not bring to the fore. In contrast I did the very opposite and my twitter posts (a great number) have placed the Holocaust at the centre. That’s all on that. I feel I was right. I haven’t in doing this been knocked down in the rush either.
The second point which comes to the mind are the videos of John Meirsheimer. This academic is pinpointing certain truths which are obvious when you hear them. The main one is that Russia has a GDP less than the size of Texas. So it couldn’t conquer Ukraine even if it wanted to. As John Meirsheimer states the objectives of Putin were always based on this realism and so often the objectives were stated openly and obviously too. This interview confirms all. And as Meirsheimer so often says this war was made in the United States of America.
I was disturbed on another level when listening to this interview.. Nyquest seemed on a mission to present his views. He was too sure of himself and I had trouble trusting him. The interview of Jacques Baud rang truer.
Nyquest totally dismissed the Nazis as being an insignificant number. But he didn’t comment on their role in 2014 of overthrowing the pro-Russian regime and their current role as part of the Ukrainian Army. They are used as blackshirts to do the governments bidding. Nyquest was too dismissive of them.
Mr. Nyquist is absolutely 100% right.
Great interview. Ukraine’s problem is that it’s a cash cow–valuable land and resources yet weak government compared to the neighbors who want the resources. I’m reminded of my train trip through the vast Ukrainian farmlands. China has to want that.
An interview with a former UN advisor to Ukraine in which he helped to build up the Ukrainian forces. His role in Ukraine was under the NATO umbrella and he describes the situation in Ukraine to have arisen very much as I have described previously. A 40min interview, from a man on the ground who involved in some of the events leading up to the current crisis. Very informative interview.
Aaron Mate interviews Jacque Baud:
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-eu-sacrificing-ukraine-weaken-russia-former-nato-adviser