@Reader
Your original conjecture was that the sanctions by the EU on Hungary and Poland were “illegal”. They weren’t, specifically because these states knowingly and actively broke with the established consensus of Leftist EU values as articulated in Article 7 which are stated as
“values of respect for human dignity, freedom, democracy, equality, the rule of law and respect for human rights, including the rights of persons belonging to minorities”
There were legal standards in these two countries that directly contradicted the consensus of the other European nations and were supported by trend of such breaches of Leftist legal standards of the EU powers.
Your current conjecture that they might be similarly penalized, if I am understanding your current statement, due to their not supplying military arms to a foreign power is completely unrelated to Article 7, as you can read. Furthermore, if the deployment of military arms was included in Article 7, again it is not, they would be the only member states to do so. Hence, sending such items as military planes would not adhering to the consensus of the EU members sending military planes, it would be creating a breach of the consensus of not sending the planes.
These matters are wholly unrelated and could not be similarly penalized under the UN treaty. If the EU did so, it would be by an arbitrary use of power, not established in the EU treaty. But they are not doing so and it seems somewhat arbitrary to suggest that they would even consider doing so.
@peloni
Hungary and Poland broke with due the EU policy on abortion and gender policy. This is why they were sanctioned.
Of course.
That Hungary refused to supply military equipment to Ukraine and the little trick Poland played with the MIG planes (offering to send them to the US Rammstein base in Germany instead of directly to Ukraine) are like nothing in comparison to these countries’ abortion and gender policy noncompliance.
@Reader
They impose sanctions on Hungary and Poland for their refusal to sanction Russia in lock step with others.
The European sanctions on Russia were voted upon with unanimous agreement. It was believed that Hungary would vote against the sanctions due to his pro-Russia stance, but Orban cited the war as a reason for his decision to support the sanctions – truthfully, Orban is about to have a very difficult election which he may lose, and this may have more to do with his change of heart than anything else.
In any case, the sanctions against Russia have nothing to do with the sanctions against Hungary and Poland. The EU has a standardization of policies which Hungary and Poland broke with due the EU policy on abortion and gender policy. This is why they were sanctioned. The sanctions were decided upon some time ago, but were delayed due to the court appeal and Covid19. The court ruled about two weeks ago against Hungary and Poland and there is no further recourse for them. This is why it is coincident with the current events, but it is only a coincidence.
Interestingly enough, Article 7 was ratified in 1999 when the first set of former Soviet States, including Poland and Hungary, were to be added to the EU. Article 7 was intended to be a manner in which to penalize a member state for violating “values of respect for human dignity, freedom, democracy, equality, the rule of law and respect for human rights, including the rights of persons belonging to minorities”. It had long been considered to be a nuclear option and was only used as a threat to the member states to obtain compliance with the general consensus, at least til now.
They impose sanctions on Hungary and Poland for their refusal to sanction Russia in lock step with others.
Will anyone still claim it is perfectly legal?
Sleepy Joe and the NWO have outdone themselves, This is insanity on an epochal scale.
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@Reader
Your original conjecture was that the sanctions by the EU on Hungary and Poland were “illegal”. They weren’t, specifically because these states knowingly and actively broke with the established consensus of Leftist EU values as articulated in Article 7 which are stated as
There were legal standards in these two countries that directly contradicted the consensus of the other European nations and were supported by trend of such breaches of Leftist legal standards of the EU powers.
Your current conjecture that they might be similarly penalized, if I am understanding your current statement, due to their not supplying military arms to a foreign power is completely unrelated to Article 7, as you can read. Furthermore, if the deployment of military arms was included in Article 7, again it is not, they would be the only member states to do so. Hence, sending such items as military planes would not adhering to the consensus of the EU members sending military planes, it would be creating a breach of the consensus of not sending the planes.
These matters are wholly unrelated and could not be similarly penalized under the UN treaty. If the EU did so, it would be by an arbitrary use of power, not established in the EU treaty. But they are not doing so and it seems somewhat arbitrary to suggest that they would even consider doing so.
@peloni
Of course.
That Hungary refused to supply military equipment to Ukraine and the little trick Poland played with the MIG planes (offering to send them to the US Rammstein base in Germany instead of directly to Ukraine) are like nothing in comparison to these countries’ abortion and gender policy noncompliance.
@Reader
The European sanctions on Russia were voted upon with unanimous agreement. It was believed that Hungary would vote against the sanctions due to his pro-Russia stance, but Orban cited the war as a reason for his decision to support the sanctions – truthfully, Orban is about to have a very difficult election which he may lose, and this may have more to do with his change of heart than anything else.
In any case, the sanctions against Russia have nothing to do with the sanctions against Hungary and Poland. The EU has a standardization of policies which Hungary and Poland broke with due the EU policy on abortion and gender policy. This is why they were sanctioned. The sanctions were decided upon some time ago, but were delayed due to the court appeal and Covid19. The court ruled about two weeks ago against Hungary and Poland and there is no further recourse for them. This is why it is coincident with the current events, but it is only a coincidence.
Interestingly enough, Article 7 was ratified in 1999 when the first set of former Soviet States, including Poland and Hungary, were to be added to the EU. Article 7 was intended to be a manner in which to penalize a member state for violating “values of respect for human dignity, freedom, democracy, equality, the rule of law and respect for human rights, including the rights of persons belonging to minorities”. It had long been considered to be a nuclear option and was only used as a threat to the member states to obtain compliance with the general consensus, at least til now.
They impose sanctions on Hungary and Poland for their refusal to sanction Russia in lock step with others.
Will anyone still claim it is perfectly legal?
Sleepy Joe and the NWO have outdone themselves, This is insanity on an epochal scale.