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Menu There is no diplomatic solutionIsrael should declare three nos;
no to nuclear Iran, no to two-state solution, no to bi-national state
no to nuclear Iran, no to two-state solution, no to bi-national state
Is it possible that these altruistic MKs that you reference have been misplaced for these past thirty months and only now recognize the important matters of the state?
My comments on the role of the Opposition was specific to the role of supporting a gov’t that is not competent enough within its own members to do the work of State. Only a few hours pass before the Brotherhood recognizes the treasures and real-estate rewards that they have yet to receive are not even compensatory enough for the first of the thousands of Zionist issues that will be required from this less than Zionist Gov’t to maintain its confidence.
Regardless of this, though, Netanyahu should have been more supportive in the transfer of Gov’t, as it would benefit the State and this should be the goal of all the MKs. It is unfortunate that Bennett saw reason in gaining the support of his ten anit-Zionist hands and Leftist members in the pursuit of a Zionist nation as it will not prove to be the benefit of the state, as is evident in this matter. And I think that any point of personal gain or ego should always sacrificed towards the benefit of the state.
This should be the practice of all MKs, but not just when it suits the moment as it does today for a given group whose alienated members are now tasked with the support of matters that the Gov’t should be competent enough to conclude, or it is no Gov’t at all. And such matters of Zionist primacy should certainly override the narcissistic tendencies of many members of the Knessett who have seen fit to use the claims of unjust charges or personal slights or broken promises of personal gain to explain their refusal to form a gov’t on the Right.
But I take these men to be politicians. For that is what they are. And this is why so many egos raged over the considerations of the state these past YEARS. Their price of service is their ego and their rewards are promised positions. It is a breath of fresh air that Bennett was willing to bridge these quarrels but not so much that he would see to pursue the direct election of PM so that a Right wing gov’t could see to the vital issues – and admittedly it might have failed even with his support, but the attempt was not made by him.
I do believe the Leftists in the gov’t are not so impotent or so malleable as many suggest. This is clear from Lapids statements to use the Iran Negotiation as a basis of rewarding his personal goals to appease the Pals and ingratiate the Americans. This man is in a role that would have been better served with any member of the Right and the fact that it is occupied by a man of such notions of appeasement as attempts towards negotiations signals all that anyone need consider when stating every chance for a Right wing gov’t would served the nation better than to have Lapid as FM.
And Lapid is among the least of the troublesome characters in Bennett’s Gov’t. So yes, the political party of Likud is a political orgainzation just as Yamina and the rest. They have a right to a political boon for their service to the state just as Bennett and his merry bunch have theirs. And should Likud force their boon upon Bennett in the form of a Right wing agenda that is sourced to the Right wing, I see only a benefit to come from it, and only Bennett’s anti-Zionist allies should squirm at such notions.
A person who truly cares about their country will do what is best for their country and not what is best for their political party or power.
I just read an article in which told the story of that Shimon Peres had four secret meetings with Bibi when in first took over as Prime Minister after Rabin was shot dead. These meetings where to brief Bibi (who was then very inexperienced) about secret understandings with both Arabs and the USA among other things.
Bibi spent 30 minutes in the transition with Bennett.
So the Likud under Bibi’s leadership is working for Bibi first and not Israel or Zionism first. It is no excuse that this is a parliamentary system and the opposition wants to get to power so that is their job. No the MKs were elected to serve Israel and not themselves.
@Reader
Of course it doesn’t. It’s the marketplace of ideas, Reader, and an honest debate is its own reward. Your input is your own and you seem quite consistent in your views. I obviously don’t agree with you on the matters I describe, but I believe there is much to be gained from alternate perspectives and a fair conversation.
As I have stated before, your research is rewarding to us all, and though we may not all draw the same conclusions as yourself, I for one find alternate perspectives such as your own to be challenging and by describing our differences it grants me a better insight into my own more fully. So don’t be too bullied by the fact we disagree over honest differences of opinion, you are always capable of a spirited response, and I admire your ability to do so.
@Edgar
Of course, you did, because that is the title of the article above, hahaha 😉 Your input is always quite pertinent and enlightening, Edgar. I still recall your description of Rivlin – a super-dogsbody – pricelessly accurate.
@PELONI
@READER
Apologies folks. I was under the imression that the discussion had segued from the Flag March to the Citizenship Law proposed by LIKUD in Opposition.
@ PELONI
@READER
Besides, after all the fuss, the law, if passed (or not), will eventually subside into a massive gropup of laws, some similar, which were passed with great fervour and acclaim, but were never acted on when a need for use arose, and forgotten like so many others.
Laws that are in the “Book” but not or never put to use. A Typical lethargic aftermath to nearly every exuberant Israeli beginning. as concerning laws. Israel has a death penalty, but athough there have been so many otrageously heinous crimes committed by Arabs against Jews, that deserve hanging and quartering and prolonged miswrable tortured death, They are reclining in comparative comfort at tht eexpense of the State whilst their families revel in unused to luxuries by way of the PA “benefits”. Those eventually released, often have diplomas and College degrees, conducted and completed whilst incarcerated owing to Jewish inertia and lack of real intent to “punish sufficiently for the crime(s).
The Ghetto and “Tikkun Olam” disease, brought on by continuous persecution and cringing desire to look good in the eyes of the Goyim. Took thousands of years to inculcate, and may take another hundred or two years to eradicate, and become Proud Jews agan.
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And, Edgar, I have written about Mandleblit, quite a bit. You might have missed them or I might have not referred to him directly by name, but he was the conjurer of misdeeds that mesmerized the public into focusing on personalities and not policy.
He is the tool of the left that dreamt high crimes into imagined statutes for Bibi alone.
They did this to emasculate him of his additional offices and humiliate him before the public’s eyes.
These Leftist imaginings were then adopted by Bibi’s adversaries on the Right to badger him during the election and then, failing to deny him of a significant basis at the polls, it was then employed as an excuse to refuse any accommodation with him in spite of it being in service of the public good.
Again I argue the state should have been the priorities, not the concerns of who insulted who or who was cheated last. I see these as reproachable concerns in matters of state.
Seems silly really, but I guess the electorate found them meaningful.
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@Edgar
It is true that the opposition should not be seen as a source of support for the gov’t.
No one should expect it, least of all Bennett and his gov’t just hours after having unseated all the members who would naturally have seen to this matter as Bennett and his group focus on reforms in bargains set by anti-Nationalists and anti-Zionists.
If Bennett thinks he is going to have the assets of the opposition at his disposal due to a dearth of Nationalists in his gov’t in this Great Age of Narcissists, I would say he has built a house of cards to secure the vital interests of the Nation.
I don’t believe Bennett is so politically unastute as to be misled on this, so we will see what he brings to the plate as he is PM and there is much that he can influence and he has a great needs of the support from the Right and not on just a single issue of the extension of this law, and, of course,
I do look forward to the day that a certain Deputy Minister might return to his routine duties of riot planning and tooth extractions.
But regardless of this, I do not see a way clear that any responsible Jew would allow that law to lapse.
Bennett even got Meretz to support it, not that this makes them responsible Jews, but they are supporting it.
But there are two issues at hand in this for Likud/Bibi. They mean to bring Bennett down and take back power to make the state safe. That is their goal.
But, here, they would make the State less safe to bring Bennet down just so they return to power. That is a very different thing.
There is much more at stake here than Bennett and Bibi. Should Bibi bring Bennett down with this action, and I don’t think it will, but if it should, how would this look to the electorate?
More importantly how will this feel to the electorate, who are already programmed against him as seen by these groups whose only standard is that they will not sit with him – no nation should have such low standards as to hold a beauty contest and call it an election, but we Jews seem to have different ideas on such significant points, as of late.
The entire Right could suffer greatly should this go wrong and violence be served up in coordination with it. So, I think it is wrong to ignore a security concern, regardless of politics or personalities.
But I also think the political consequences could be difficult to reconcile towards victory. Should these two points diverge, I would still go with the public good over the political advantage, but I see this as a lose/lose scenario.
Having stated this, sooner or later, I do believe the public will suffer greatly for allowing this process of a splintered Right as a reflection of their uncareful selections at the polls for candidates whose political goals were reliant upon Lieberman’s low standards.
This might be that moment, but I can’t believe this was really the extent of Bennett’s strategy, in all sincerity.
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@Peloni
@Edgar
I’ll repeat for the umpteenth time that I don’t view politics as a fascinating competition between two people, and I don’t care for their dirty tricks no matter how “adroit”, clever, or lawful they appear to be to the lovers of bread and circuses, especially when these dirty tricks harm the country the politicians are supposed to govern.
What I am better suited to concern myself with is MY decision and I don’t need anyone’s permission or approval as to what I am supposed to think or do.
“peloni’s very detailed,multi-faceted, accurate,(highly interesting) essays” are perceived by MY brain as jumbled, disconnected ramblings having nothing to do with the issue at hand.
I could use a stronger expression but I’d rather not.
Being outvoted here does not change my perception of them.
If you wish to think of it as my brain problem it’s OK with me.
@peloni
I will concern myself with whatever I want.
I don’t need anyone’s permission or supervision to do that.
For the umpteenth time – I don’t view politics as exciting competition between 2 individuals.
BTW, Netanyahu allegedly shredded government documents that were in his PM office safes right before handing the office over to Bennet:
Well, he is in opposition, he is entitled – right?
@Reader
I purposefully did not mention Bibi in my statements so we might not play that song again, it is quite sidelined. Bibi is being challenged for leadership, his challengers could move against him if the party did not think as one on this point at this time.
In anycase, you would be better suited to concern yourself of the Brotherhood and Liberal toadies that command the gov’t ministries than a leader in the opposition regarding your concerns for the Land-for-Peace scheme that concerns you(and I).
But regardless, you wanted Bennett to win. He won. Now he has to rule. He can’t. He is in trapped in a box of terrible contradictions, but he had to know this would be his fate. Should the gov’t fall, perhaps he will make political points on this or perhaps Likud will. But it is a folly to put narcissistic aspirations over Zionist necessities, and this is why Bennett does not sit with Likud(i.e. Saar vs Bibi) and why Likud does not come to Bennett’s aid(i.e. Bibi vs Bennett). It is also why more was not accomplished with Trump in his last 2yrs.
P.S. This is really as short as I can place a few thoughts to your questions
@ READER
I forgot to add that in at least one respect you are totally honest, in that you frankly assert that you neither understand nor read most of Peloni’s very detailed,multi-faceted, accurate,(highly interesting) essays. Kol Hakovod.
@Peloni
I don’t understand your disgust, when you then acknowledge that the DUTY of the Opposition is to Oppose. Adn just think. how Missionaroes arrive in Israel hidden as Haredi Jews, the highlegal illegal African infiltrators , protected by the High Court, who have made the lives of those who live in Sth. Tel Aviv, a nightmare as well as skyrocketing the rates of crime, including rape , assaults murder and more…….Hmm
And what about the many thousands of Jew Hating Arabs who, under the present benevevolent laws, as allowed to join their “husbands” (Often fake) adding to Israel’s 5th Column n or Trojan Horse, which was very apparent in the recent Gaza outbreak.. And more….
READER-your post at the top of this page is nothing but another attempt tobiBash Natanhayu. You can’t even disguise it anymore. Your excuse that “hurting the country in the process….in order to promote the cult of the opposition leader” is the most feeble reason you have yet produced.
Why not come straight out and say …”I HATE THE GUY”…That would be more honest and accurate. You would also just be joining others of the same bent.
You also seem to ignore what the word “opposition” in the context pf Parliaments, means, also the utterly devious ways that the new governemtn attempted and succeeded in doing on the then govt. which allowed tome to be the relacement, however thoruous their methods, broken promises and declarations of policy and other shenennigans were. You didn’t object THEN..
I see that STILL nobody mentions MANDELBLIT, as being the primary cause of Netanyahu’s present problems. I am puzzled as to why not.
@peloni
I realize perfectly well what the word “opposition” means.
What I detest is the so-called opposition PARALYZING the existing government and hurting the country in the process in order to promote the interests of the opposition’s cult leader.
I think that Netanyahu, Likud, Religious Zionism, and the Hareidi parties are being discredited, hopefully, into non-existence since they are too corrupt and dumb.
Of course, the level of discrediting they will sustain is directly proportionate to the voting public NOT being corrupt and dumb.
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When you respond to me, could you, please, confine yourself to 3 to 5 medium length sentences because I don’t have the time to dwell on your dissertations.
I mean, my brain hurts from trying to plow through your texts.
@Reader
I have posted elsewhere on this site this morning of my disgust with the adoption of values by Likud that are not in line with the core values of the nation’s interest. The idea that Likud will not support this law that defines their political agenda fills me with disgust.
But in a parliamentary gov’t, the role of the opposition is not to support the gov’t. These men were not dis-empowered to secure the passage of the gov’t’s policy – that falls to the members of the gov’t. In spite of these facts, Likud should do this.
But it is both bizarre and irrational to assume that they will. Further than this, the idea that this role supporting a Zionist law should fall to the whim of the Brotherhood to perform when he denies the legitimacy to the state while also serving in the role of Deputy Minister calls to mind every reason as to why this should never have been contemplated or undertaken.
Nearly the first day following his empowering this advocate of butchery, Bennett finds a need of those in opposition to offset the lack of Zionist support within the gov’t he created nearly just a few hours ago.
And though they should do this, as it is in the vital interest of the state, this is all a political game where the players are more involved in personal grudges than stately imperatives.
In fact, this game of grudges is the very reason that Bennett is not partnered with those whose members he shares an ideological basis.
And having chosen to support the anti-Nationalists and anti-Zionists Bennet so soon finds himself in need of outside support – I really expected this honeymoon to have ended sooner than even this short while.
In truth, should the stipend of land and treasure Bennett has placed upon this partnership not be enough to sway his Brotherhood Deputy Minister on this measure, what will we be expecting to offer him over the next two years and to what gain.
Is it really the policy of this current gov’t that it will lean on the opposition for all of its Zionist measures to solve the quarrels of nationhood that naturally exist with their anti-Zionist partners.
This is what comes of forming a gov’t with one out of every six hands belonging to an anti-Zionist. Wait til the popular topic of Land for Peace is broached, for Bennett will feel much more lonely in his views among his gov’t members than he does even now.
This loonacy should surprise no one, and should anger everyone.
So, yes. Reader, Likud should do this for the state.
But this displays the very lack of a solid foundation within this gov’t to handle such basic needs that the state requires – vital needs, not domestic reform, are fundamental to the states survival.
Should Bennet not square the knot of bringing a large base of his former Right or Heredi partners into this gov’t, it is just a waiting game to failure, and we seem to have not waited very long for our first challenge.
I am not certain how Bennett can complete this task as things sit in spite of the vital significance at hand. But he is the PM now and needs to find a way.
@peloni
Likud and Religious Zionism REFUSED TO SUPPORT the family reunification law TOGETHER WITH RA’AM!
Likud is also planning to vote AGAINST the citizenship law despite Shaked pleading with them to vote FOR it.
I didn’t know that the opposition in a democracy is allowed to paralyze the government in order to conduct a putsch on behalf of the former prime minister.
Who is actually dangerous here? The new government or the opposition?
And if the opposition is Israel’s last hope for a “true right wing government”, then how come they act EXTREME LEFTIST no matter how it might hurt the country?
Bennett and Bibi are playing a dangerous game of chicken in which as each is wildly determined not to alter course with such determination that neither of them seem aware of the chasm over which their actions might be taking the state. Bennett has carried the Left to a position of great authority which the electorate did not support and this was done as a move to break the intransigence mood of the political elites and their foolish but unrelenting supporters within the electorate.
The only solution to remove these Leftists from the political perch they now hold is for Bennett to gain a massive influx of the support of his former allies on the Right whose rejection of supporting him drove him to this unfortunate project with only the non-Zionists and non-Nationalists groups about him and Saar.
Meanwhile, in their rage of indignation and rejection of the possibility of offering any possible support to Bennett to relieve the quandary created by his reliance on his many despicable companions(forgive me, but I find them as such), the Right will now adopt a measure of harm to the state as long as it does not benefit their opposition. Taken on whole the only groups who are likely to win and have done quite well by remaining true to their standards are the Non-Zionists and non-Nationalists groups.
Bennett’s position is now dependent upon the unlikely support of non-Zionist forces to support a Zionist measure of law, and the unreal reality is that he is likely to gain their support to preserve their political prize of land and treasures. The Great Misalignment is bringing chaos and possibly great consequences to the State as everyone appears to continue seemingly dismissive of the impending consequence of their inaction on great matters of state to salve their political egos – something that may be reminded began some 30 months ago with Lieberman which has snowballed into this political morass where it is now necessary for non-Zionists to enact Zionist regulations while Zionists pursue their non-Zionist boycott.
There are some really weird things going on in Israel. Last year, Yair Lapid asked the Supreme Court to rule that part of a Basic Law that the Knesset passed in unconstitutional. This was an outrageous petition,because it would then give the Supreme Court the poower to veto and abolish even Basic Laws. That would leave the Knesset with no authority at all, and all Israeli laws, even those past years or decades ago, being subject to cancellation and abolition at any time, at the arbitrary whim of the courts. Just a month ago Yariv Levin, one of the senior leaders of the Likud, suggested that Israeli government agencies should refuse to implement such an outrageous decree by the Supreme Court.
But now, Lapid and Yesh Atid are trying to withdraw their petition from the Supreme Court now that they are in power. ON the Other Bibi and the Likud party have done a 180 degree turnaround and endorsed the petition to the Supreme Court to rule part of this Basic Law “unconstitutional”–although Israel has no constitution, and the Supremes had some years ago ruled that the Basic Laws were Israel’s def facto constitution.
The apparentl reason for the parties flip-flopping their positions on this issue is that this clause in one of Basic Laws (I can’t remember which one) strengthens the power of the executive. So the party in power wants it to remain law, while the party out of power wants to cancel it.
But what both Yesh Atid and Likud fail to grasp is the obvious harm to Israeli democracy is the courts are allowed to cancel any law whenever they want. If there are problems with this Basic Law, the Knesset and only the Knesset should be allowed to amend it. If these petitions win the apporoval of the Supremes–and they have already indicated that they will probably grant them–judicial tyranny in Israel will be complete, and the will of the people will be totally irrelevant to the government of the country.
It is especially despicable and almost incredibly self-destructive for Bibi to support this petition in the hope of gaining some immediate, marginal political advantage. The ultimate selling out of one’s birthright for a piece of bread and a bowl of lentil soup.