T. Belman. This poll is ridiculous. According to it, 88% of Jews say they are pro-Israel yet the put Israel and Iran at the bottom of a list of 16 issues. Respondents ranked Biden as better on handling a range of issues, including anti-Semitism and the rise of white nationalism, 67-26; the coronavirus pandemic, 66-24; security of the Jewish community, 55-29; and U.S.-Israel relations, 46-32.
Can our fellow Jews be that stupid?
Nonetheless, 88 percent of respondents said they were pro-Israel.
By RON KAMPEAS/JTA OCTOBER 5, 2020
A survey of Jewish voters shows 67 percent plan to vote for Joe Biden in November and 30 percent plan to vote for Donald Trump.
The numbers in the survey released Monday by the Jewish Electorate Institute broke the same way when voters were asked about President Trump’s performance: 67 percent said they disapprove and 30 percent said they approve.
The survey suggested gains for Trump among Jewish voters since 2016, when Hillary Clinton won 71 percent of the vote to Trump’s 24 percent. Mitt Romney, the Republican candidate in 2012, won 30 percent of the Jewish vote, the highest for a Republican since the 1980s
However, support among Trump voters appears to be relatively soft. Just 64 percent of the respondents who said they approve of Trump said they strongly approved, while 92 percent of those who disapproved said they strongly disapproved.
Respondents ranked Biden as better on handling a range of issues, including anti-Semitism and the rise of white nationalism, 67-26; the coronavirus pandemic, 66-24; security of the Jewish community, 55-29; and U.S.-Israel relations, 46-32.
Voters ranked healthcare, the economy and the response to the coronavirus as their most important issues. Lowest ranked out of 19 issues asked about in the poll were Israel, Iran and “Support of a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.”
Nonetheless, 88 percent of respondents said they were pro-Israel. Analysts have long believed that Jewish voters rank Israel low as an electoral issue when they believe both nominees will pursue a pro-Israel policy.
The online survey of 810 voters was carried out Sept. 2-7 by the Garin Hart Yang research group. The Jewish Electorate Institute is nonpartisan, although its leadership is comprised almost entirely of Jews who have been active in Democratic politics.
@ Sebastien Zorn:
Again your pretense of innocence… Well, I’ll humour you. So that Arabs could not live on the dates, nor shade under the trees, nor read their “book of verse.. nor guzzle their jugs of “grape juice”.. etc. And as for the loaf of bread,….Gone With The Wind… And their oases would become filled with sand and they suffer a mishe mashunnas …. PLUS…!!
@ Edgar G.:
because?
@ Sebastien Zorn:
I hope they were date palms…
@ Edgar G.:
Yes, well, you are correct. Single-handedly chopping down the Sahara Forest was my last foreign policy achievement, actually.
@ Sebastien Zorn:
Noach… Ziusudra. The “suds” is a nickname based on a part of the name. Therefore the “N.S. (maybe I was thinking, Damon Runyon just then)
You over-deduced about Sudan and Saudia. Even with your undoubted talents, of which, speaking seriously, as you know, I have great respect for.
@ Edgar G.:
Oh, silly me. I know. You are crediting me with the apparently imminent normalization with Sudan and S audi Arabia. Well, I just don’t know what to say. I’m blushing, here.
@ Edgar G.:
What does N.S. stand for? Also, the suds reference went over my head, I’m afraid.
@ Sebastien Zorn:
Well, you should re-register here as Sebastien N. S. Zorn…. Or we could just call you “Suds”…rather that than……..
@ Edgar G.:
My apartment was flooded several times before the landlord finally fixed the roof so I can really relate. Ha ha.
@ Edgar G.:
How interesting. Had trouble finding the reference and then found that he is more commonly referred to as Ziusiudra https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziusudra
@ Michael S:
If you did that, then your ecstatic mumblings must have been infiltrated with a strong infusion of Judaism. REAL Judaism, not the ancient myths about a Noach, derived from the Babylonian tale of Utnapishtim.
@ Ted Belman
when Jews have no attachment to Torah, they attach themsleves to the lowest common denominator/paganism. Liberalism/now Marxism is the new religion for them. It’s always been this way thlriughout history. Why do you think Haredi Jews support Trump in large numbers? QED
@ Sebastien Zorn:
Oy veh! I press the wrong button, and I get Edgar!
@ Sebastien Zorn:
It’s 2 35 a/m and here I am laughing my head off… Bravo.
What about the Rabbi and Catholic priest who travelled together in a train carriage. When the Rabbi reached his destination he got up, then made the sign of a cross. The priest, in amazement excitedly.. asked..Rabbi, are you really a Christian…at last.. The Rabbi said …”Vat, vat” ?? Priest.. “I saw you making the sign of a cross”..Rabbi..”Nahh, I vas making shure I got everyting I came vith …spectacles, testicles, vallet anf vatch…??
I heard that when I was down in Cork for the first time, away from home, about 15 from my newly met cousin, a truly very religious fellow, when we were on our way to do some fishing. Took me really by surprise… Have never mentioned it since…until now.
@ Michael S:
Your comment reminded me of this old joke: “
r, watching from the back of the synagogue, gets caught up in the fervor of the moment and joins in. “Oh, Lord,” he cries, “before you I am nothing!” The rabbi, taking note of this, nudges the cantor and whispers, “Look who thinks he’s nothing!”
@ Sebastien Zorn:
“Does seem to be hardwired into the human condition, apparently.”
BINGO! Yes, you are right there, right on the money!
It’s because of this, that talking about the subject is like walking through a minefield: everyone has at least part of themselves personally invested in the matter; we’re all “wired”, as it were, and woe to the one who presses the wrong button!
Take this for what it’s worth. My wife’s in the other room, taking part in a teaching about Noah (it’s the current parasha, I believe). One participant noted that the apostle Peter (Yes, it’s a Christian Messianic group) called Noah a “preacher of righteousness”. The group leader noted that “righteousness” meant “right relationship” with God. Of course, Noah had such a relationship; and I believe that Jeremiah elsewhere lists Noah as one of three righteous ones: Noah, Job and Daniel.
I started looking up “righteousness” — which, in Hebrew, is something like ts’dekah A related word is tsadikh, which means a “righteous one”. I’m sure you had something of that order on your mind, when you talked about people being “sanctimonious”
The hangup of those “sanctimonious” people (which, of course, describes us all to some degree), is that they think they are somehow “set apart” (“sanctified”) to God. This is what Rabbi Hillel and his family were considered to be; and it is what “Luther fans”, antisemites, do-goody Jews, and “devout” ones of every religion consider themselves to be. They all believe they have a “right relationship” with whomever or whatever they consider or tacitly worship as their god/ God to be — for whatever reason: They have studied a lot, or they have a big following, or they rub shoulders with the “great ones”, or they “try harder”, they’re better looking, snappier dressers, etc. In an extreme case, they are called first, “God-men”, then finally “God Himself”. It’s a slippery slope.
@ Michael S:
Not bitter. Just pointing out sanctimonious hypocrisy when I see it. Does seem to be hardwired into the human condition, apparently.
@ Sebastien Zorn:
Sebastien, you seem to be full of bitterness. That’s no skin off my nose; but it isn’t doing you any good.
Concerning Rabbi Hillel, so little is know about him that I have room to judge him charitably.
@ Michael S:
And philosemitic Christians like you can claim arch-antisemite Martin Luther with a straight face.
@ Michael S:
Yeah, well you can spin this stuff any way you like and everbody does and has because everybody wants to have their cake and eat it too, doing as they like while feeling traditional. Not just Jews. That’s how today’s woke Democrats can claim JFK and Martin Luther King with a straight face.
@ Sebastien Zorn:
“the truth is a landlslide for Trump, barring fraud.”
This is how I see it as well, judging by the sizes of the rallies:
Trump rallies — thousands of enthusiastic supporters, at multiple rallies every day
Biden rallies — usually fewer than a dozen unenthusiastic supporters, seldom even one rally per day
The poll manufacturers must think Americans are universally stupid.
BTW, I never respond to polls, and I think this is common among conservative voters.
The whole idea that we should believe women who made allegations of sexual harassment or assault against men came from the, at-one-time-reasonable, presumption that the stigma they would have to endure, coming forward, made it unlikely that they would lie. Today, as was seen with Kavanaugh’s accuser, they are rewarded, unless of course they are accusing Democrats, so it no longer makes sense. Today, however, the stigma of supporting Trump is so menacing that many if not most Trump supporters are lying about it, even to pollsters. I read that they are more truthful when it’s a push-button poll than when it is with humans, but I think it reasonable to assume that there is no way of measuring this, accurately. I think that if the polls of likely voters who are saying they will vote for Trump are saying that is so close, that the truth is a landlslide for Trump, barring fraud.
Race Real Close
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According Rasmussen the race is tight and then trend has been towards Trump but he is still behind and also behind a bit in some of must win Swing States.
https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2020/white_house_watch_oct21
@ Sebastien Zorn:
Sebastien,
I was encouraged by what you wrote about Rabbi Hillel, etc. The Rabbi gave some good advice, which has benefitted millions of Jews throughout the generations; and even today, I believe his life and words are reaching out and benefitting generation after generation — including those wayward Jews who have been supporting Joe Biden. He, among millions of others, encouragers like him, have helped his brethren through the ages to endure as a people, as a nation, as the family of Abraham. In the spirit, you are all “sons of Hillel”, brothers and sisters with those who have encouraged one another — Jews of all stations of life from Hillel to RAMBAM, to Baal Shem Tov to the six million largely “nameless” Jews who endured the Holocaust. You have all lived and died individual lives; but you all shared one spirit: you are indeed the “Body of Hillel”.
I say these things, as one who is part of another such “body”, a body also of millions, who have uplifted and sustained one another through the millennia. We do not live for ourselves; we all owe debts to those of our spiritual ancestors who have gone before us — and to one another.
Indeed, “If I am only for myself, what am I, and if not now, when?” Jews throughout the world, today more than ever, need to stand up as a body and stand with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and with those who put their trust in their God. HIS word is a tree of life, and we are His branches.
Am Yisrael chai! We will win this one.
I just had this amusing exchange on Facebook:
Democrat support has eroded, not by much, but it doesn’t take much.
“In 2000, Gore 79, Bush 19, In 2004 it was Kerry 74, Bush 25, In 2008 it was Obama 78, McCAin 21, in 2012, it was Obama 69, Romney 30, in 2016, it was Clinton 62, Trump 29. Dem Change, 12-16: -12.” – Pew Religious Exit polling.
https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/FT_16.11.09_Relig_ExitPoll_ReligRace.png?w=640
So, Jewish liberals are just like the rest of the center/left, except they try to say that it’s the Jewish thing to do, much like Jewish Communists were trained to do in the Soviet Union for a time in the 20s and 30s. They really can’t think straight. And this is born out by both elections in which the polls were correct and something like 80 percent of Jews voted for Obama despite the evidence that he was anti-Israel even the first time. I had debates with even Orthodox Jews, believe it or not, over Obama’s flooding the country with Syrian “refugees” who were telling me that it was the Jewish thing to do, to lobby for expanding the rules to allow in hordes of unreconstructed from the most violently antisemitic region in the world! And they said it was a dishonor to Anne Frank of all people who was barred from coming in under existing rules by the antisemitic administration of their hero, FDR, not to allow in millions of antisemites after those of us who made it in in the administration of their antisemitic hero, FDR. They really can’t think straight. They’re nuts.
Yes, this is that has been said even to my face. I’m guessing Roe v Wade is the top issue, maybe the only issue. That and hating Trump. I have yet to hear anybody actually say anything about Biden. Oh, wait. I asked the Pakistani news stand proprietor on the corner why he supported Biden and he said: “He’s a good man.” When I asked him why he thought so, he didn’t really know what to say. So, it’s really down to “He’s a good man.” and “Orange man bad.” More edudite liberals will fume about something they think Trump and said and what they think it means. Or, one time, one furiously said that he didn’t invite any Democrats to his inauguration and only invited big donors.” As if he really cares, if he thought about it.
Historically, we Jews are not the brightest folks when it comes to protecting ourselves collectively, as a people. During the Holocaust many Jewish community leaders worked to persuade their fellow Jews to move to the ghettoes designated for them by the Nazis, where they were starved to death or died of disease, and even to board the trains that were supposed to be taking them to “the east.” In the middle Ages, some raabbis in France asked the French church leaders to ban the writings of Moses Maimonides and “heretical.” The FRench church happily complied, but also decided to burn all copies of the Talmud as “heretical” as well. Only a handful of copies survived the burning of hundreds of Talmud manuscripts in th epublic square near Notre Dame.
@ stevenlross@gmail.com:
Trump is doing his best to put Israel in a defensible position, even if he does lose. That is obvious.
However, I am with Ted. Trump will win.
The American Jews who are voting for the Omar, Tlaib, and Harris democrat party are the ones who are frightened of being outed as ‘racist’, ‘white privileged xenophobe’. They are worried about getting rejected and frankly fired from their jobs. That is in fact what the penalty is in California.
No intelligent American Jewish male feels comfortable on the street in any sanctuary city today. So, the motive is self-preservation.
Unfortunately for those of us who are never democrats, The American Jewish Community will be blamed for a Harris win.
@ Adam Dalgliesh:
Sadly, and frighteningly, we are.
@ svbeachhouse:
One of them, who holds a graduate degree and prefers to travel to Turkey rather than Israel (oh she has sooo many good friends in Turkey, just so sad cannot visit again this year, all Trump’s fault) and was a university librarian for over thirty years when after being exposed to Jihad Watch articles, a recent Caroline Glick article, JCPA and ZOA and then she suggested deferring to Thomas Friedman. Her statement was that The Palestinians were being ignored, that she had a problem with that.
I think that is more like treason, IMO, rather than simply ‘foolishness’.
She is married to a lifelong observant Jew and she e mails him a link to join a podcast for a Thomas Friedman interview and sends gift books written by Irishman who writes fictional story to Jewish friends highlighting ‘moral equivalency’ between The IDF and Hamas as a reply to being sent a Caroline Glick article.
I received this email.
Yes, Ted, they ( I guess I should say “we”, since I’m an American Jew) are that stupid.
If this poll is true, my fellow Jews are complete and total fools – their MSM “fake news” sources have brainwashed the otherwise well educated. Truly astonishing to me.