By Ted Belman
I watched the whole thing live and felt Biden won for the following reasons,
– Biden spoke directly to the cameras and came across as sincere and believable
– Biden had the benefit of being able to attack Trumps actions or lack thereof for the last 3.5 years. That put Trump on the defensive.
– Trump spent too much time defending himself rather than making the case for himself.
– Instead should have said each time “There he goes again with his fake news” before extolling all the good he has done.
– Trump’s folksy manner at rallies doesn’t work in a debate.
– Trump should have had set speeches ready for expected questions. He relied on extemporaneous comments. He was not effective.
– Trump’s tactic of hounding Biden didn’t serve him well.
– It was very difficult to defend his pandemic performance. There were too many issues to address.
– Trump should have had a prepared speech for the pandemic in which he listed all the stuff he did do
– Trump should not have tried to defend himself.
– Trump should have had a set speech to use for the charge that he was a racist. He could have listed all his great accomplishments.
– Trump spent too much time bringing up Biden’s lack of accomplishments over the years. He should have spent his time listing his own accomplishments.
I blame his handlers for their choice of tactics.
Just saw “Man of the Year” (2006) starring Robin Williams on Amazon Prime Video. The debate scene is similar, not to mention some of the issues. I wonder if this film inspired Trump and Zelensky, not to mention IU’s controversial kpop song, Zeze.
@ Reader:
Ignosco tibi, puer meus….
@ Reader:
I feel safer with President Trump’s guesses than most other people’s facts.
@ Sebastien Zorn:
I didn’t get the punchline.
I think you have vivid imagination.
@ Reader:
Somehow, your comment reminded me of this exchange in the film, “Star Trek VI: The Voyage Home” (1986)
@ Edgar G.:
I enclosed the ? in square brackets [?] to show that it was my personal comment, I wasn’t trying to change your meaning.
I don’t watch television.
Sorry for interrupting your rest which I didn’t mean to do.
@ Reader:
Only because of the very dubious (?) you inserted where there was none in the original comment. You are twisting the meaning to suit your own attitudes. Just like a lefty Democrat. I suppose you only watch NBC, MSNBC, ABC, CNN HUFF, and that ilk…..
Prudent means PRUDENT…look up the meaning in Merriam Webster or the Oxford Dictionary. it may help your understanding of frequently used terms. Even a good Thesaurus. At a level with Gesenius, but secular .
By the way, being right up to your usual level you did not read…or did not understand that I am not posting any more , I am taking a rest, after posting the inaccurate positive cases which I read on Arutz. No one either commented or corrected me, which I would have appreciated. I only” came out of retirement”, just for YOU…
Trump and Missus have caught the virus.. You better be careful.
So fare thee well my bonny laddie.
@ Edgar G.:
“a Strong, Bullying, Fearless Brilliant, Unconventional, Aggressive but Prudent [?] Leader” What you are describing is a walking time bomb.
@ Sebastien Zorn:
That’s good news.
@ Ted Belman:
Ted, I just did a “thorough investigation” into the Proud Boys (I checked Wikipedia). I found this:
“Members of the Proud Boys are also identifiable by their red MAGA hats…”
I have such a hat, so I guess I’m “busted” 🙂
Here it is:
https://www.newsweek.com/66-percent-spanish-speaking-americans-telemundo-poll-think-trump-just-won-debate-1535176
3 things that struck me during this first Trump/Biden debate last night ( I didn’t watch it in real time but just finished watching it on Youtube while practicing piano)
(a) When Biden accused Trump of having taken advantage of tax loopholes, when he was in business as a real estate developer, Trump pointed out that it was the Obama/Biden administration that gave him and others in his position those tax breaks.
When Trump asked him why he didn’t do anything about that then, Biden replied that that was because Trump was the worst president in history. Trump let that go, but he could have asked him that if the tax breaks were only unfair in retrospect because he didn’t like Trump as President, does that mean he has no problems with tax breaks like that for business people in his position. Biden was making a circular argument.
He was saying it’s only corrupt because it was Trump who took advantage of the Obama/Biden tax breaks in the past. So, Biden admits he supports tax breaks for his wealthy friends, just not an opponent.
(b) When Trump was asked about global warming and electric cars,
he could have pointed out that:
(i) The US only produces about 15 percent of carbon admissions.
(ii) Electric engines are manufactured in China which uses fossil
fuels to produce them undoing any benefit in reducing
carbon admissions.
(iii) The effect that global warming has on the environment and
the extent to which human activity affects it is disputed on
the grounds that flawed computer models have been the
basis for such speculations. That’s why Progressives
changed the moniker, “Global Warming” to “Climate Change.”
(c) Chris Wallace threw softball questions to Biden except for one
very diplomatically worded query about the cost of the Green
New Deal. He attacked Trump from the beginning on the
unproven allegations about his taxes based on the NY Times
recent article.
The Times had previously reported that Trump
paid millions. In any case, how can they know if the taxes were
not made public? If they were made public, why did Chris
Wallace ask him if he would release his taxes?
Trump prevented Biden and Chris Wallace from ganging up on him and making it seem authoritative by turning it into a circus with 3 debaters. I wonder why Biden kept looking down when he was answering. What was he looking at? Pre-prepared notes?
Additionally, Trump then made a speech before a crowd in Minnesota, and gave an interview to Hannity of Fox – at least one interview on Fox – right after in which he listed some of the things he had done and answered the charges that he was pelted with during the debate.
I think the main thing he accomplished during the debate was to prevent Biden from seeming presidential and to prevent Wallace from appearing neutral. He succeeded.
When he provoked Biden into calling the President of the United States, “this clown” in the third person and producing his characteristic sneer and cynical middle school taunting snicker, that was it. Afterwards, the mainstream media simply called the debate a free-for-all in which the main points were touched upon, which is the closest thing to neutrality that Trump could hope for. He suggested as much in the beginning when he challenged Wallace’s first question.
And Youtube automatically directed me to the live speech and interviews afterwards tonight when I watched it. So, Trump made his points and got them through across multiple intersecting platforms.
Despite the anti-Trump management bias, conservatives are dominating Facebook, as has been noted, and I would argue, Youtube, as well, increasingly.
Furthermore, I also was directed to an interview with Newt Gringrich about the debate in which he said that the Spanish language version of a Spanish language channel did a poll which said that Trump won by something like 30 points!
I think I’ll take a…..break; I’ve worn my typing fingers down.
@ Edgar G.:
I just saw about 1000 emails about it. The Dems are saying that it isn’t a wire, but a crease in his shirt that the shadow makes look like a wire….Hmm… and the mike peeping out from his shirt sleeve is a part of a string of beads he wears to commemorate his dead son. Double hmm….!!
Well, to me it looks like a wire, but maybe I’m predisposed to believe that it is. It looks as if he was moving it back, and pulling his jacket lapel over it. I’ve seen pictures of his shirt cuffs before, but never this “string”. So….??
The whole “Debate” irked me more than somewhat…!!
@ Edgar G.:
I just saw a video on youtube entitled “Joe Biden wired up caught on camera”. It showed a momentary glimpse of a slightly curved wire hidden under his jacket, but against his white shirt could be easily seen (why didn’t they use a white wire),also it showed the head of a purported mike, peeping just out of his left hand shirt cuff, which hand he would often raise to his mouth.
Very telling, and I’ not surprised. It HAD to have been something.
@ Ted Belman:
The name itself suggests that there is some sort of Irish connection. There were several nationalist groups in British dominated Ireland in the 17th,18th, 19th cent with very similar names all incorporating “Boys”, or “Lads”.
@ Edgar G.:
I added, in the edit time, (but may have taken too long-it didn’t appear). that not to forget the refused drug (and ear) test, that Trump suspected that he was on a performance enhancing drug like Speed or similar, that we have a multitude of examples of his obvious mental deterioration and helplessness on numerous videos,
I’ve dug a little further into this and a couple of the actions of Biden have become clearer to me. I could not understand how this weak voiced, much made up, visibly decrepit looking man could perform the way he did. Not well, but better than expected. I did not understand why, when he became confused, went of track, fumbled for words, kept looking down at his desk….That there would be answers plain to see, was not feasible.
I have just been researching hearing aids/cum transmitters,and have found at least 10 or more manufacturers of cutting edge items, none larger than a pea or , say a Vit. E capsule.
My cousin Eddie, who was not only a doctor, but the several decades Superintendent of the Hamilton Ontario General Hospital, became deaf in both ears. A new operation had come into being. It was called fenestration. He was able to have hearing aids placed quite out of sight. He explained it all to me when I remarked on his new appearance..
I feel that it is logical that Biden had a hearing aid, and that when he was looking down at his desk, was getting instruction, as we often do when listening to someone close by, who is instructing us. Trump, strongly suspecting an ear transmitter, was refused inspection, so talked over Biden to offset his concentration on instructions. It reduced him to mostly looking at the camera and repeating his mantra “I care about YOU”..(but not answering the questions)
When there has been so many and so much deliberation, and confirmation (as we have all seen on videos) of his mental deterioration, his managers would naturally refuse a cognitive test, and also an ear inspection.
If I live in a country which has many international threats both military and economic, I do not want a decrepit 78 year old old 47 year Washington seatwarmer, corrupt, politician who has never done anything, I want a Strong, Bullying, Fearless Brilliant, Unconventional, Aggressive but Prudent Leader…exactly like Trump.
He could wipe his nose on his sleeve for all I would care.
Re Trump’s Taxes, I have seen reports on the internet that in 2016 Trump paid 1 mill, and in 2017 over 4 mill, not as exact amounts, but as ballpark amounts. that the $750 were an added extra assessment. I have had extra assessments also. So quite possible.
vivarto Said:
“…his talk to camera came across as some rigidly exercised trick.”
Good observation. Absolutely spot on correct.
I was so nauseated by this ploy that I had to look away from the screen until Biden’s staged direct eye contact with the camera had ended, both times.
@ CharlesJacobs:
What do you know about Proud Boys?
Not in my eyes.
He came across as repeating something he has memorized, and he avoided engaging with Trump, and his talk to camera came across as some rigidly exercised trick.
@ Michael S:
Yes, but… it doesn’t matter: Trump needed to be a little “nice” “presidential” to extend his support beyond his base who does not care about “nice.” Also, why the hell did he not defend himself re: the “both sides” calumny?
@ Ted Belman:
Yes, Ted — there is no way the President can “win” before the MSM. Also, you didn’t mention the obvious fact that he was unfairly “double-teamed” by Biden’s team-mate Wallace.
I noted that the President has run himself down physically, sometimes campaigning to real, physical crowds in 3-4 states in one day. Biden was at his peak performance — probably drug-enhanced (He refused to take a drug test), but also because he was well-rested after a practically non-existent physical campaign.
I used a chess analogy in my comment. Here’s another one — when you find yourself vastly outnumbered in the mid-game, the best course of action is to resign and use the time preparing for the next match. Here’s another one: Trump was playing “black” — at a distinct disadvantage because the team of Tweedle-Chris and Tweedle-Joe had the first move. The best black can do, in most cases, is to play for a draw.
Trump came through this match appearing “rude”, to those who are swayed by such things. Biden, on the other hand, came out at the gut level as the archetypal insipid, lying, cheap political blowhard. Deja vu all over again.
Edgar G. Said:
I agree. I thought Biden was going to be slaughtered and was surprised it didn’t happen.
Biden could say anything he wanted because he knew the MSM had said it before and that they would protect him.
@ Wooly Mammoth:
I felt the statements weren’t as important as the demeaner. I was disappointed with Trump.
When Biden called Trump, “clown” and “…liar” repeatedly, Biden was projecting.
Wallace gave Biden the advantage in his format and it was clear to me that Trump felt ganged up upon.
The one sided analysis of the disgraced US media was obvious for all to see.
I do not agree that Biden won the debate.
Wallace gave no credit to Trump for anything and no respect for being The POTUS. Biden was hideous. Biden was caught by Trump misrepresenting his intention to move US policy into the ‘New Green Deal’.
I think it important to identify who Trump’s intended audience was.
It was not the US Media nor was it the Bernie Sanders wing of the donkey party or any wing of it.
Trump was aimed elsewhere.
Biden spoke as if he had something in his mouth, or maybe loose false teeth. He obviously has artificial teeth. I didn’t know that he’s had 2 brain aneurisms in 1988 but he had. He spent a lot of time looking down at something on his desk, when he was confused .
He looks like the general description in novels, of a “deathshead”, and looks as if he would not possibly stay he course for 4 years in the politics at Presidential level in this world today. .
I think flappy lips Wallace is a leftist. Don’t know how he became anchor on Fox. He looks as if he wears dark lipstick, as we used to see in the old Dracula or Frankenstein films.
Just imagine…. some experts say that up to 133 million people in the US have underlying diseases. How the hell could that be, 2/5th of the whole population..???
I was disappointed in Trump. He can and has, done much better. But Biden surpassed my expectations, looked like a completely different person. Perhaps Trump is right…Biden may be on speed, which would “perk him up”
Trump had a few opportunities to destroy Biden which he missed
In a chess tournament, if you find the opponent taking an inordinate amount of time to make a move, you need to try to figure out what he’s planning, and plan a counter-strategy. Biden spent an inordinate amount of time in his basement, while Trump was actively campaigning. Trump wore himself out, and came into the debate unprepared. Biden said nothing but lies; but Trump generated so much confusion by his many interruptions, nobody could actually tell who was lying — or for that manner, who was even speaking.