What does Bolton’s exit mean for US policy on Israel and Iran?

Given the major departures of pro-Israel figures like the now former national security adviser and the upcoming resignation of US special envoy Jason Greenblatt, questions remain as to the direction of the Trump administration.

by Jackson Richman, ISRAEL HAYOM  JNS , Israel Hayom Staff

What does Bolton’s exit mean for US policy on Israel and Iran?

September 13, 2019 | 22 Comments »

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  1. @ Adam Dalgliesh:

    I thought tht I posted few days go Adam, that between Bolton and Pompeo there was a great discord, and it ran through the whole department making it unstable. So of the two, it’s obvious that Pompeo has a more exalted position, moreover he and Trump are on the same page,…. so it was no choice really.

  2. @ Edgar G.:
    I will address you because Bear Klein does not speak to me…how childish is that? Not a matter of me by the way…that is not my point, I mean an attitude, like Linda and Terry.

    I see you havd your issues with “the lady who must not be crossed”. But that lady supported the overthrow of Saddama nd she has never been able to distinguish between Saddam and the Mullahs.

    People can sound off but they are pompous only. This is Bear above.

    So I ask how on earth can the people of Iran overthrow this horrible dictatorship.

    What is the nature of this Mullah regime? Does Bear think they will simply give up and hand over.

    Do the Iranians have nukes? Could the N Koreans have stolen the mini nukes in? Why not they have them.

    And the Iran Regime is filled with an antisemitic hatred for Israel.

    As is the Dem Party in America today and as is the Labour Party in Britain.

    It must be remembered that Sharon in 2005 was a dying man I think…but in 2003 he was lucid and clear, and he visited Washington to argue with Bush NOT TO invade Iraq, and indeed Sharon though not a friend of Saddam did fear the replacing of this relatively secular leader.

    Bear floats these ideas around, such as the possible replacement of the Mullahs by a democracy. But does not go into it. He remains aloof from that.

    How exactly can the Mullahs be overthrown. HOW EXACTLY?

    Does he think it will be done by words? We are once again in the Alice in Wonderland idiocy of Ted Belman re Jordan, and listen Ted, this is not personal, this is political. There is not one ounce of the personal in this Irishman. Do not even think of slandering me on this again.

    And the question remains. What to do about the Iranian Fascists? In the concrete what to do? Surely Iran is threatening Israel and all Jews there with wipe-out. Please please answer that in the concrete not throwing these off the cuff ideas about as bear did above.

  3. @ Wooly Mammoth: I agree, Wooley. For whatever reason, there have been an unusually high number of personnel changes in the Tump administration, and noone seems to know exactly why Trump has appointed so many people to office and then let the go. Perhaps it is that he is used to working with fellow businessmen, and feels uncomfortable with political people, military people, civil servants, etc., whose work style is different from his own. Thus my initial reaction was that Bolton’s resignation/dismissal was not especially unusual for Trump, and did not necessarily signal any policy changes. However, it now appears that it did signal a significant policy change. Certainly Iran has interpreted it that way.

    Trump can find other “tough guys” to carry out the tough military and economic sanctions on Iran that Bolton recommends, if for whatever reason he has become uncomfortable working with Bolton himself . The important thing is that he continue to follow the Bolton plan.

  4. @ Bear Klein:

    BEAR- Surely you don’t mean Shas (Deri’s son), (only kidding) I see you mean the Shah, I heard and saw him a few years ago, somewhere in Europe, and he seems like a normal, modest sort of guy. Believes in democracy, secularism, and womens’ rights. There was more, but I don’t recall them all. Sounded pretty decent,

    But, with the crazies, (and others) we have to accept that there are people who have been given an indifferent allotment of intelligence…..and allow for that (the ones with the mouth wide open and the eyes tightly shut–emitting only hot air.)……..

  5. @ Adam Dalgliesh:
    Never meant to suggest you were inept. On the contrary.
    I value your posts, Adam.
    I think that John Bolton warned Trump emphatically that he Trump was playing with fire, literally, it turns out, messing with the Iran Relations polemic in a willy nilly fashion at a most critical juncture. The fires in S.A. would appear to support the contention.
    Bolton was probably extremely upset and felt as though he needed to get his point across to POTUS that these moves were not something he could be a part of. He resigned, but Trump possibly realized this would make him appear weak to his base, since Bolton was viewed; as I suggested at the start of this thread in response to Laura, as “the canary in the coal mine”.
    So Trump fooled Bolton into believing that he Trump would be thinking seriously about what Bolton was warning him about.
    Trump needs to bring Bolton back on board with no delay whatsoever.

  6. I think Trump is staying the course on Iran which means continued sanctions whether he talks to them or not. The trouble is what is needed is the destruction of the IRGC, destruction of the nukes facilities and regime change.

    There are many normal non Islamist crazies in Iran. There is a movement of Iranian opposition that would temporary put the Shas son in an interim government while they organize a true democracy. He is for a democracy. This I know after hearing him in an interview.

    In a sign that he welcomes the higher visibility, Pahlavi made a rare public appearance on Friday, giving a talk at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. He called for non-military actions in support of Iranians trying to replace the Islamist regime with a secular democracy.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/13/trumps-anti-iran-push-boosts-a-royal-outcast-1063441

  7. @ Wooly Mammoth:

    I have never heard that Paul Revere raised his voice to senior American officials. I have trouble imagining him shouting at George Washington, for example. But perhaps you can provide us with more historical background about this comment.

    You may well be right that, Wooly, that Tfrump should not have fired Bolton if it only was a matter of a momentary lapse of good manners.The point I was trying to make in my somewhat inept way was that it was wrong policy choice to ease sanctions on Iran, and to forego any military option, if indeed that is what Trump is planning as some reports say, that was what was most wrong about the Bolton dismissal/resignation, not the fact of Bolton’s departure itself (I have a feeling he was telling the truth when he said his departure was voluntary, and he might have left the government soon in any case), but the wrong signal that it sent Iran. That wrong signal has resulted in this extremely damaging attack on the Saudis’ oil-producing facility.

  8. I like Bolton also. Trump signaled months ago that Bolton was on shaky ground when said something to the effect if John had his way we would bomb everyone.

    When Trump criticizes his staff publicly they eventually quit or get canned. Trump is a firing machine.

    I still believe he is not changed policy on Israel and is very pro Israel.

    Now that Saudi Arabia has been getting hard from Iranian surrogates will the USA consider helping them?

    Saudia Arabia has a huge air force but do not seem very effective at using it.

    Someone needs to blow up Iranian oil facilities plus the IRGC and nuke facilities.

    I believe Trump will keep the sanctions on tight, just like he has with NOrth Korea in-spite of talking to Kim.

    I doubt the USA will militarily involved with Iran unless they are stupid enough to attack the USA directly.

    By the say Israeli intelligence has predicted all these attacks on the Saudis.

  9. @ Bear Klein: They are wrong some of the time. Sometimes their reports have been confirmed much later by the MSM. This particular report sounds plausible. It is allegedly based on a tweet by Bolton, which I assume can be checked. It is possible that Trump raised the possibility of easing sanctions on Iran as a negotiation starter in an internal discussion with his advisors. If Bolton had argued angrily with Trump about this suggestion on on Monday, as this report claims, it would explain why Trump felt he had no choice but to accept his resignation on Tuesday. No President can tolerate an aid who speaks in a disrespectful tone to him.

    This doesn’t change my view that Trump made a big mistake when he decided to be open to negotiations with Iran. The Iranians clearly took the firing of Bolton as a signal to make a devastating attack on Saudi Oil production facilities. Now the United States will appear impotent or irrelevant unless it reacts strongly.

  10. @ Adam Dalgliesh:
    Adam’s reprinted article is quite representative of my position that Trump showed profound weakness with Iran.
    Of course Iran will never give Trump anything negotiable except for 50 cents and a fight. They think Trump is a wimp now, with Bolton The Man out and will turn up the terrorism.
    You can see Iran’s bold opening break yesterday at burned Saudi Arabian oil installations. Trump is also burned.
    The idiot Trump will have to find some way to bring Bolton back. Trump has no standards of conduct, he can do that.
    That is why I believe Netanyahu made his sudden press conference to make his intention to annex. It was a message to Trump, The Mental Midget to smell the coffee.
    I hope Bolton challenges Trump for the presidency.

  11. All too often Americans have to wait for the foreign press, especially the Daily Mail, to get some idea of what is going on in their own country. Thisr eport in the Daily Mail gives a more complete picture of the reasons for John Bolton’s departure from the White House than in the American press.

    ohn Bolton’s fury over President Donald Trump’s suggestion to ease sanctions on Iran to jumpstart negotiations may have led to the national security advisor’s exit from the White House, according to a new report.

    Trump raised the idea of lifting sanctions during a discussion with Bolton in the Oval Office on Monday afternoon, drawing furious protests from the noted hawk, a person close to Bolton told NBC News.

    Bolton was out as national security advisor the following morning — though the exact nature of his ouster is disputed, with Bolton insisting he resigned and Trump adamant that he was fired.

    The meeting at 2pm on Monday about Iran was a key factor in Bolton’s exit, however, the person close to Bolton said.

    Trump reportedly mused about easing sanctions on Iran, drawing a furious reaction from Bolton in an Oval Office meeting on Monday +2
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    Trump has previously toyed with the idea of relaxing sanctions on Iran in order to spur negotiations, but went even further in Monday’s meeting, the person said.

    Bolton, regarded as the architect of the Iraq War, has long agitated for war with Iran.

    In 2015, he penned a column for the New York Times arguing that ‘only military action’ could deter Iran from building a nuclear bomb.

    In May 2018, less than two months after hiring Bolton as his national security advisor, Trump shredded the nuclear deal with Iran, a moment Bolton had long dreamed of.

    Bolton was so thrilled that he reportedly hanged a framed copy of Trump’s executive order withdrawing from the deal on the wall of his office.

    Aggressive posturing in line with Bolton’s preferred strategy took the U.S. to the brink of war, after Iran downed a U.S. drone amid a buildup of American troops in the region.

    But Trump stepped back from the brink. With Bolton out, he may be reevaluating the policy of ‘maximum pressure’ on Iran to try to force it into broader talks to restrict its ballistic missile program and end its support for proxy forces around the Middle East.

  12. Naturally I am well acquainted with the La Brea Tar Pits. The tar is not at all confined to The Pits, by the way. It oozes up from the manicured lawns of The LA County Museum of Art. Never lived in the pits. I was always on the periphery of that. That is what the actor Anthony Franciosa once told me about the Italian actors who comprised a certain clique. One of them was Cassavetes. One of them also on the periphery was Peter Falk.(Falk was Jewish, both parents. Falk would say, “…one eye, two Jewish parents.”
    Falk once planned to travel to Israel to help out in war time)
    Interestingly to me, after our conversation, Falk brought in Franciosa for a guest star role on Columbo. Anthony did a good job in this role. He was an honest and good friend. I was saddened when he passed. He drove an old beat up Mercedes Benz Station Wagon.

    There was a music ensemble called The Oily Scarf Wino Band, featuring Rainbow Bill, which regularly performed there at the Tar Pits. One tune was ‘Flat Foot Floosie’. That was before you time, Bear.
    There is a new train line going in under the Tar Pits, right now at this moment, a subway line.
    Trump should not have fired Bolton. It was an error. The terrorists in general and the Iranians in particular are breathing a sigh of relief. The Saudis are nervous, and for good reason.
    It could cost him re-election. Especially if there are casualties from the show of weakness. Trump’s dumbest moment yet.

  13. @ Bear Klein:
    I would not suggest placing great confidence in a Glick editorial. Especially one in which Glick has a track record of being conflicted, in a multitude of ways. I understand her neuroses, as do many of us who have expressed support for Glick, whether truly deserved or not.
    Instead, I would look at unfiltered facts subsequent to the political assassination of one John Bolton:
    Today The Houthi Rebels are being credited with a major drone attack on Saudi Oil installations. Debkafile’s analysis points to Iran’s “Supreme Leader” as making his veto of a proposed Trump Rouhani meeting known.
    I rest my case, unless you need me to spell it all out. Which I am happy to do for you Mar Bear.

  14. I believe Caroline Glick has good insight in the comments below extracted from her recent article:

    Israel and John Bolton’s Departure

    The fact that Netanyahu announced his annexation plan just as Bolton was departing suggests the administration’s positions on Israel are unlikely to change now that one of its allies is gone.

    Bolton’s departure had more to do with the stress of working in the toxic environment in Washington than with a change in Trump’s basic predisposition regarding foreign policy.

    The second context to be considered when judging the implications of Bolton’s termination is that of another event that happened almost at the same time that Trump was tweeting he had fired Bolton.

    That event was Netanyahu’s stunning announcement that he had secured US support for his plan to apply Israeli sovereignty to the Jordan Valley and the northern Dead Sea immediately after the election, if he is re-elected. His statement was a watershed event.

    For 52 years, no US administration has agreed to acknowledge Israel’s rights to Judea and Samaria and the Jordan Valley. On the contrary, previous administrations have argued that even if Israel has rights, its right to assert those rights was contingent of Palestinian agreement.

    Since the Palestine Liberation Organization and Hamas will never accept Israel’s rights in Judea, Samaria and the Jordan Valley (just as they will never accept Israel’s rights to Tel Aviv or Tiberias), the effective US position for the past 52 years has been to reject Israel’s rights in Judea, Samaria and the Jordan Valley.

    And yet, the same day that Bolton was fired, Netanyahu rose to the podium and said that the US supported his plan to apply Israeli sovereignty to the Jordan Valley.

    Substantively, this means that the Trump administration accepts that the Palestinians cannot have veto power over Israel’s right to secure borders and to territories that were allocated to the Jewish people under international law under the League of Nations Mandate in 1922.

    The White House’s response to Netanyahu’s statement was equally groundbreaking. Under the friendly George W. Bush administration, Israel had to argue for its right to enable Jewish communities to expand to keep up with natural growth, that is, the birth of children.

    Under the hostile Obama administration, Israel was pilloried for every new home built in united Jerusalem. Yet on Tuesday, the White House press briefer told reporters simply that Netanyahu’s plan did not contradict the president’s peace plan.

    The White House responded to Netanyahu’s statement in the same press briefing where it discussed Bolton’s departure from the White House. Had Bolton been the sole source of the administration’s supportive positions on Israel, Netanyahu would likely have canceled his news conference.

    The fact that Netanyahu made his announcement as Bolton’s departure was being announced signaled that his support for Israel had nothing to do with his departure, and the administration’s positions on Israel are unlikely to change now that he is gone.

    This then brings us to a person who does play a singular role in maintaining and growing Israel’s unprecedented cooperation with the Trump administration. That person is Netanyahu himself. Netanyahu and Trump have a relationship unlike any that any Israeli prime minister has ever enjoyed with any US president. There is a clear affinity between the two leaders that stems from more than the mere coincidence that they happen to be leading their countries at the same time

    .

    Full Article by Caroline Glick can be read at https://www.israelhayom.com/opinions/israel-and-john-boltons-departure/

  15. @ Wooly Mammoth:Yes that is what they all say. Yet he is still on the job and his family said stay as long as you need. Sometimes some things are true even if some do not know the facts but just react.

  16. ….”wanting to spend more time with his family….”
    So says The local Jesting Bear….
    That is what they all say when asked to resign. It signals a cold front.
    Come on Bear, it does not make sense that he would bolt just as his plan is about to be unveiled. Try a different explanation, if you know of one.
    It sure appears as though Trump is about to fold like a $2 suitcase.
    Trump is a toothless tiger in a stuffed shirt without Bolton.
    Still Trump could pull a rabbit out of his toupee or whatever it is.

  17. Jason Greenblatt has NOT left yet and might stay longer if needed for the role out of the Trump peace plan. His pending departure is based on wanting to spend more time with his family and not policy arguments with Trump about Israel and related.

    I do not believe Trump is changing course on Israel.

  18. This is all very troubling.

    Brodsky emphasized that “President Trump’s love for Israel appears to be a kishka [gut] issue that he feels deeply inside. So I don’t imagine his love for Israel and its people will diminish with Bolton’s departure.

    We’ll have to take solace in this.