WHY GAZA MUST GO
www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Into-the-fray-Why-Gaza-must-go-368862
The only durable solution requires dismantling Gaza, humanitarian relocation of the non-belligerent Arab population, and extension of Israeli sovereignty over the region.
LET THEIR PEOPLE GO!
www.jpost.com/Opinion/Into-the-Fray-Let-their-people-go-379687
The Palestinian Arabs, as a national collective, have failed the test of history. It is high time we drop the charade of their ability to achieve self-governance.
GAZA – LET THEIR PEOPLE GO ALREADY!
www.jpost.com/Opinion/Into-the-Fray-Gaza-Let-their-people-go-already-407892
Bennett’s recent declaration on reconstructing Gaza again exposes his shortsighted, unrealistic political thinking
GAZA: LET THEIR PEOPLE GO!
www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/20421
Instead of pouring millions into inoperative desalination plants & rusting sewage treatment works, humanitarian aid should be generous relocation grants to help Gazans find safer, more secure lives elsewhere.
GAZA:THE ULTIMATE INDICTMENT OF “TWO-STATISM”
www.strategic-israel.org/2008/into-the-fray-gazathe-ultimate-indictment-of-two-statism
The real humanitarian solution to the plight of Gaza lies not in its reconstruction, but in its deconstruction.
GAZA AID SHOULD ENABLE OPTION TO EMIGRATE
https://www.newsmax.com/martinsherman/gaza-israel-palestinians-international-aid/2018/02/08/id/842262/.
The only real way to alleviate the humanitarian crisis in Gaza is to offer the Gazans what they really want , a better life elsewhere, out of harm’s way, free from the clutches of the cruel, corrupt cliques who have lead them from disaster to disaster for decades
And of course Adam has stated like a member of a Catholic Fraternity that he wishes for “Palestinians” to have a happy life wherever. Why would he wish that? Answer he says it because he thinks it and he thinks it because he is a wordist with a centre like marshmallow. THAT is the problem today.
These series of comments and contributions fill me with deep pessimism that anything good will come out of it all.
I notice that there are those who are prepared to thrown Europe to the Jihad.
Edgar has said clearly that with Europe under control of Jihad and Sharia, and in itself that is a horror for the people of Europe, it will also be a death knell for Israel and the Jews of the world.
The two sides of this have not been addressed. There are far too many people on this site who are only fake Jews. Jews are believed to be the hope of humanity. Yet you lot surrender Europe to the Jihad.
That makes me physically sick.
And you have not answered Edgar. It would have Israel surrounded by Jihadism, and with Democrats in power in US totally so.
Sherman is the worst of all. He has never raised this to my knowledge.
@ Bear Klein:
Knowing you I know very well that you are deliberately leaving out of your narrative that it was Jihad which waged the war and that the Christians supported the Alawite and relatively SECULAR Assad to oppose the Jihad. Strange you leave that out.
@ David melech:
I know spoken in jest but we cannot joke about this. Ireland is NOT drinking. Those are the louts of society. Look up “Newgrange” ancient monument.
@ Adam Dalgliesh:
I don’t think that Trump “is fighting for his political life”.. as you suggest. That’s too dramatic a description.He has a built-in majority already in-waiting. The results of his Administrtion are too good to ignore.
The European Muslims will NOT lose their desire to wage further invasion and take-overs. They re Muslims…They re jihadis… They are mashugga….permanently. Only a War of extermination or a crushing defeat, plus almost unending Martial Law will suffice. The confrontation that you mention, and I have expressed a possibility of, is not by the Western Nations as such. but countries like Hungary, Roumania, Italy, Greece, and generally from Central to Eastern Europe. They have no alternative, resist or succumb. And all the signs re thy they re beginning to resist. A sort of ground swell -if you like. The success of the Populist/Nationalist parties is too obvious to be ignored. And I believe its only the beginning. When the “worm turns” it does so with a vengeance…
t least I hope so, and that’s all I can wish …considering the horrendous laxity of the West, and Merkel’s spate of madness.
And…there’s always the United States…….!!!…Even China…which has it’s own troubles with their Muslims, And Japan will be re-arming soon…And perhaps Russia may not want to have a Sultan. Nor Ukraine etc….. So there’s hope yet……..
My hope is that it’ll happen in our lifetimes.
I began discussing this matter because Hugo, unlike his normal very good sense, had advocated shoving the Arabs into Europe etc. He always makes good sense, lets hope that this time its an aberration on his part and tht he’s wrong.
Thinking further about the matter, I guess Israel’s best shot would be to wage an all=out war against its enemies now even though such a war would be extremely risky, there would be no guarantee that Israel would win, and Israel would probably face a lot of BDS for years even if it did win. Still, it is Israel’s best shot, because time is working for the enemy, not us.
However, I don’t think Bibi or whoever may succeed Bibi will do this. This generation of Israeli politicians lacks “the vision thing.” Things would be different if we had Ben_Gurion, Begin, or Shamir in office today, despite the many differences between these three men. But we don’t have any visionaries in high places today.
@ Edgar G.: Edgar, there is no question that the rapid increase of the mUslim population in Europe is putting Israel in a very tight spot, and the power of the muslims in Europe, already very great, will grow exponentially over the next several decades. This certainly puts a severe cloud over Israel’s future. Perhaps Israel’s only hope is that future generations of Muslims both in Europe and in the existing Muslim states will lose their enthusiasm for jihad and funamentalist Islam, and will reject the political power of the imams. THere are some tentative signs this may already be happening on a small scale, at least in Saudi Arabia.
I constantly keep repeating to myself the remarks of the political philosopher Algernon Sydney, an early advocate of representative government, at his trial for treason in 1683: Addressing the judge, he said, “I fear I am on treacherous ground, my lord. I do not see my way.” This describes how I feel about Israel’s clouded future.
@ Edgar G.: Edgar, it is highly speculative that these good things will happen. I don’t sense much will to confront the Ismists and Israel-haters in the MUslim world by the Western powers. Perhaps Trump would like to adopt this program. But Trump is fighting for his political life. His control over the “deep state” US bureaucracy is dubious, and he has no control over Congress at all. And there is definitely no guarantee that he will be reelected in 2020.The European leaders, or at least the West Europeans, who are the ones with some military muscle, are all committed to appeasing the Arabs, and even the Iranian regime, at any cost.
I definitely don’t see the spirit of Gordon motivating modern Europeans.
I suggest just making sure the Gazans and Pal-Arabs from eastern Jerusalem, Judea-Samaria GO AWAY to wherever will take them:
Turkey, Algeria, Libya, Chile, Sweden, Greenland, Ireland, Iceland I do NOT CARE
@ Hugo Schmidt-Fischer:
I iterate that if Europe is overrun by Arabs, then we will have a huge , modern, heavily weaponised Landmass almost at our doorstep, against which Israel just cannot survive. The American would have to move 50-100,000 thousand troops into Israel on a rotating permanent basis….And, the enemy, being Arabs, or ruled by Arabs, are bound to be sending terrorist squads and suicide bombers smuggled over to Israel.
Also, something you omitted to think of….. the refugees” are not refugees mainly but Jihadis and are not looking for “asylum” but are taking the first steps in conquering Europe in obedience to their Koranic dicta. Islam Redivivus.
{{Our only hope there would be the level of strength and utmost determination of the Central and Eastern European countries, who alas, are poor, and far behind Western Europe in just about everything. Still, recalling WW1 and the tenacity of Peter Karadoerdevic of Serbia, that spirit , I believe, still lives in that area and further around}}.
How long would it be for the US people to see a lose-lose situation and cause enormous pressure on the Us Administration…. to “bring the troops home”.??.
@ Adam Dalgliesh:
You are assuming that Iran would still be a power for evil. My contention is, that if such a situation arises in the future, Iran would be a different country, with the Ayatollahs overthrown and under more moderate rule again, allied with the West, particularly the USA,
Actually, I believe that this last is rather close at hand, and perhaps in the next year or two we will see what I have envisaged. As for the Arabs, they will be terrorists for the foreseeable future, until a strong Western leader will make war against them and smash them beyond repair or regrouping. Martial Law in their territories for many years and that sort of thing,
Cowed utterly and permanently is what is called for. And any Mahdi/dictator/Arafat who arises should merit and receive the same treatment, as happened after Gordon’s defeat at Khartoum. THAT pushed the djinn back into the bottle with a vengeance, …..until the powers began squabbling over the oil discoveries, and making the nomadic sojourners into menschen in trying to garner their support against the others.
@ Hugo Schmidt-Fischer: Hugo, this proposal makes good sense to me, it is an excellent one. But the key to making it work will be handling this Arab hijra “discreetly,” and avoiding any suggestion that Israel is forcing or even pressuring these people to leave. It might even be prudent to assure the would-be emigrants that they are free to stay if they wish, and if they do, the IDF will do its best to protect them. Israel could then claim that it only gave or loaned them the money to leave as a humanitarian gesture, because they were absolutely determined to leave the war zone, and Israel wanted to make sure that they reached their destinations safely, and didn’t drown in leaky small boats, etc. I also still think that if a “humanitarian” NGO, discreetly funded by Jewish billionaires, but with no visible links to the israeli government, could be brought into the act to manage their flights to Europe, advocate for them when they arrive in European refugee camps, etc. , it would also expedite the process and minimize international outrage and propaganda against Israel. There are some very tricky situations in life, where one faces both overt enemies in front of us, and back-stabbing “friends” who “have our back,” that Shakespeare’s dictum, ‘the better part of valor is discretion,” applies.
.@ Adam Dalgliesh:
Hamas will continue to launch rockets and incendiary balloons into Israel. At a certain point, IDF will have to initiate an incursion into Gaza.
IDF should then cut a swath into the Gaza territory, and subsequently, very quietly, allow whomever so wants, to board ferries and rudimentary transport aircraft to shepard them away to far away destinations.
At the same time, basic lorries with wooden benches will pick up passengers from Gaza, bussing them via the Erez crossing directly to the Taba border station with Egypt. From there, they will continue onward to the Sharm el Sheikh international airport. The ‘Palestinian’ pilgrim refugees will then board low cost no-frill charter planes, that will fly the migrants to Brussels, Malmö and Amsterdam.
Everything will be executed discreetly and quickly. It will have to be coordinated with El-Sissi, who will offer tacit support in return for this or that gesture.
At their new domicile in Western Europe, the refugees will receive immediate asylum. Like most of Pakistani, Turkish, Afghan, Libyan, Algerian or other Arab newcomers, the passengers arriving from Egypt will be classified as «stateless refugees from Syria with Palestinian roots». They will fit in perfectly with the many million other migrants in Europe, more than half of which are classified as ‘Palestinians’ already. It will make no difference.
Two million Gazans more will be hardly noticed. There are so many millions of Arabs throughout Europe, and the continent sorely lacks young families with offspring.
Scrap all the bombastic plans for Arab resettlement on Israel’s border. There is no need for international donors conferences, no special ‘Peace Plans’ are required, you can save the billions for other, worthier objectives
Yes, Bear, an important victory. Must be one of the better judges that Shaked somehow succeded in getting appointed, despite the “Supreme”s” opposition.
@ Adam Dalgliesh:Did however want to provide you with a publicly known recent success story in buying property in the Old City of Jerusalem
@ Adam Dalgliesh:
There are problems but they have been buying places for years and have had significant successes. Let me just be brief on this.
@ Bear Klein: An ecellent strategy. But unfortunately these foreign buyers have been obstructed by the “Civil Administration” and the Supreme Cout.
Although Israel has numerous and powerful external enemies, by far the worst obstacle to the implementation of Zionist. pro-Jewish policies in Israel. The external enemies of Israel in Europe and elsewhere are formidable, but an uncompromisingly pro-Zionist, pro-settler administration committed to a Jewish Eretz Israel could find ways of dealing with them. Unfortunately, much of Israel’s political and bureaucratic establishments, and all of its judicial-“legal” establishment, has committed itself to the Arab side of the conflict. Bibi is too timid to stand up either to the external or the internal Zion-haters. He is not a physical coward. He showed courage during his military service. But he is a moral coward, afraid to stand up to powerful interests at home as well as abroad.
@ Adam Dalgliesh:Currently in eastern Jerusalem mostly Arab communities and elsewhere in Judea/Samaria there are private foreign buyers that privately held land from Arabs and then sell it Jews or lease it to them.
@ Bear Klein: Bear, I was just writing to Hugo with a somewhat similar proposal when for some unknown reason I was cut off from the site. Has a way of happening around 9.30 pm Israeli time.
Forming an NGO to facilitate Palestinian emigration is a good idea. But I think at least in public it should be distanced from the government of Israel. Also, from the established Jewish communal organizations in the U.S. Donations should be solicited from wealthy Jewish backers of Israel in Israel, Europe, the u>S., Australia, even from Jewish ‘oligarchs” in Russia and Ukraine. Rather than being open about its support for Israel, the NGO should claim to be a purely humanitarian organization, seeking better lives for Palestinian suffering from war, violence and oppression in Gaza, with no political or even specifically Jewish agenda. Gentiles with PR experience but no known connection to Israel should hired to be its public face.
Most Jews with blanch in horror at being secretive and underhanded. But our enemies conceal their terror-supporting activities as “humanitarian” all the time. Before Israel was founded, the Zionist movement used underhanded, secretive methods to facilitate “illegal immigration” to Eretz Israel, and to acquire arms for the Haganah. Unfortunately, today’s generation of Jewish and Israeli leaders react with horror at the very idea of being underhanded and secretive. Most regrettable. This is not a gentlman’s war, and it can’t be wonby being entirely open and honest.
Bear Klein Said:
Victory is the correct concept.
In order to achieve actual victory one must destroy PA/PLO, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc and supporting terrorists.
1. Apply Israeli Civil Law to all of Area C, including the Jewish Towns and Jordan Valley. State that Israel reserves the right to apply Israeli Civil Law to anywhere else in Judea/Samaria.
2. Build in all of Judea and.Samaria. Focus on E1, the Jordan Valley, Gush Etzion to start.
3. After destroying the terrorist groups. Take over and administer the Arab PA Cities and surrounding villages. Any villages or cities that turn violent will be closed off and workers will not be allowed to exit to work in Israel.
4. Form an NGO to buy Palestinian Properties in Jerusalem and elsewhere in Judea/Samaria starting with Area C in villages next to Jewish Towns. Resell these properties to Jews and recycle the money to buy more Arab owned properties.
5. Form a different NGO to help Arabs quickly move to other countries. Provide financial incentives to help them go. Make sure they receive their funds when it is confirmed they are leaving.
6. Residency for Arabs in new areas where Israeli Civil Law is applied shall only be possible after a vetting process which determines they are not a security risk.
They will need to demonstrate loyalty to the Jewish Democratic State of Israel.
This will require learning Hebrew; your children will be required to provide civil national service at age 18 to 20.
Arab residents will be required to inform on anyone planning terrorist acts including family members. This will be a condition of residency!
@ Adam Dalgliesh:Simple plan for Gaza.
Destroy Terrorists. Reconquer Gaza
Allow Gazans immediately to leave if they wish. Facilitate this by arranging for transportation via an NGO.
Allow NGO’s to assist Gazan in leaving after Israel takes over in an ongoing manner.
I have in the past presented a simple outline for Judea/Samara plan.
@ Adam Dalgliesh: I agree with you, Bear, that Dr. Sherman is a brilliant strategic thinker. In his younger years, he was also a man of action. I, too, have frequently corresponded with him. Most of what he has written over the past ten yeaurteous and fair even with people who disagree with him.rs ( I have been reading him for that long) has shown great insight, and has provided us with a wealth of valuable information about what is going on in Eretz Israel. On top of all that, he is a fine gentleman, alway co
But I feel frustrated and disappointed that he has become fixated on his ‘incentivized emigration” or ‘humanitarian solution” plan in recent years, without presenting a plan for overcoming the obstacles to putting into effect. I too, would like to see an overwhelming Jewish majority in Israel, And I would like the Palestinians to have the opportunity to live prosperous, fulfilling lives as citizens of other countries. But how to we get from the present disaterous “A” situation to this propsed “B” situation. Neither Dr. Sherman nor anyone elese who has advanced this proposal has presented a practical plan to accomplish it.
@ Adam Dalgliesh:
I do not agree with your theory of fear and doom. You have presented it in various ways over time. It is like tying oneself in such a psychological knot you are afraid to move to defend yourself. Like the guy who is afraid to hit the bully back who just hit because he might hit him again. Instead act so fast and hard the bully has no recourse but to flee.
The real threat to Israel and immediate and not hypothetical is the terrorists in Gaza are being allowed to stay and get stronger and keep attacking Israelis.
Martin Sherman is correct when he says the Negev may become unlivable if the situation is not radically changed. There are already families leaving and I for would would not move near Gaza currently given that the security situation is not being taken care properly by the GOI.
@ Bear Klein: Actually, I agree with most of this, Bear. I do think, however, that Israel cannot simply ignore what the Israel-haters, and even some well meaningmisguided “bleeding hearts” and “ago-goos,” might do in order to thwart such a policy, and/or punish Israel for adopting it.
As I have explained in previous comments, and I think a column that I wrote a few years ago, an incentivized emigration policy, even one that is very beneficial to Arabs,would run into two very serious obstacles:
1. The international hysteria about so-called “ethnic cleansing” that is a biproduct of the Yugoslav wars, and that was invented originally as a propaganda weapon with which to justify the intervention against the Serbs by NATO and the UN. Various UN bodies, including two criminal courts established by the UN, have ruled that even completely peaceful actions by the Serbian authorities, to enable non-Serbs (Croat, Bosnik Muslims, Albanians, etc.) to voluntarily leave Serbian territory, were “ethnic cleansing” and a “war crime.” True, the criminal courts established by the UN Security Council are kanaroo courts with entirely political agendas (like Israel’s own all-powerful Supreme Court). But most people who influence foreign policy in most countries don’t understand this. They think that the “ethnic cleansing” nonsense is for real.
Not surprisingly, the international criminal court is now investigating Israel for so-called “ethnic cleansing.” Because there is so much hatred of Israel throughout the world, based on misconceptions and lies spread by the Arabs , European antisemites and Israel’s own anti-Zionist, self-hating cultural elite, constructive policy initiatives by Israel can stir up a honet’s nest of hatred, which could easily translate into harsh BDS sanctions, or maybe even military intervention by one of the great powers (Russia, Britain? even the U>S. if a Democrat is elected President) to ‘protect” the Palestinians and occupy Gaza and the “West Bank” under UN auspices.
It would be nice if we lived in a better world where we Jews were not so widely hated and we were under no pressure to tolerate the agression against us and to take action to end it . But we don’t live in such an ideal world, but in one filled with antisemitism and hatred for Zion. I am certain that Bibi would like to do what Dr. Sherman recommends. But he is a sophisticated and knowledgeable diplomat who knows that the whole “international community” would come down on Israel like a tun of bricks, because seventy years of hate propaganda has conditioned it to view anything Israel does to defend itself and advance its legitimate national interests as “aggression.” This is why he appeases Hamas and Fatah, even though in his heart this is the last thing he wants to do.
Dean M Blake Said:
The former UNWRA camps in Syria are gone. They were obliterated during the civil war there. Their ‘Palestinian’ inhabitants removed themselves to Europe where they join the millions remaking Europe into a Muslim continent.
Those camps in Syria were a failure, a hotbed for fanatic enemies of Israel at its border. There is no reason to reinstall anyone there.
In Europe, these ‘Palestinians’ make but a small proportion within the ranks of North Africans and Arabs. That is in real numbers, they are a small fraction.
But for marketing purposes, towards a latent anti-Jewish constituency, the new migrants to Europe are sold as ‘Palestinians’. As described in my comments above, officials in Germany and in Belgium are suggesting (falsely), that more than 50% of the migrants are ‘Palestinians’.
Without doubt, this rebranding of Arab migrants as ‘Palestinians’ is adhered to in all Western European target countries. NGOs and government officials have taken a liking to this repackaging of Arabs as ‘Palestinians’. Take another example, The Netherlands. In 2016, the Dutch government issued an edict whereby stateless people may assume the ‘Palestinian’ nationality. After this practice was put in place, the second largest group of migrants recorded in Holland are ‘Palestinians’.
Countries as Holland, Germany, France or Belgium today already have primary school classes averaging over 50% Muslim co-efficient. Their indigenous citizens are producing 1.1 – 1.4 children per couple, in other words, every generation loses a third of its populace. These countries are lost, anyhow.
Europe is absorbing millions of Muslims every year. There is a giant scam ongoing, pretending these migrants are predominately ‘Palestinians’. A scam, because this is what the NGOs, the government officials and the electorate want to hear.
What difference will it make, if within 50 – 100 million Arabs that come to Europe, anyhow, Israel will help slip in 2 million Arabs from Gaza?
Start working on this!
@ Adam Dalgliesh:
Actually Sherman when I have communicated does not believe either that their will zero be Arabs. He has advocating for those who wish to go voluntarily to be aided financially in their emigration. This is NOT an Expulsion.
Gazans by poll want to go around 60%. They leave every chance they get. If Israel takes over Gaza it will not do what Hamas and Egypt does now it will NOT force them to stay. Israel will allow them to freely leave. Helping them financially or logistically would be a good idea to assist in their voluntary emigration.
Israel should be for making Israel safer and better and not coming out and living in fear of the Jew haters. Martin Sherman is a real thinker and a man of action. He immigrated to Israel long time ago joined the Mossad and now has forward thinking ideas. He is not sitting shirking what might the Jew haters do to Israel if it allowed those Arabs who do wish to live in a Jewish democratic emigrate.
Arabs in significant numbers without any help are also leaving Judea/Samaria. Those numbers would grow significantly if their was an NGO buying their property and another assisting in their logistics to a new home in another country wherever that might be.
There is no question that Dr. Sherman has been extremely persistent for many years in advocating his “humanitarian solution.” This is only a very samall sample of the columns, probably numbering well under a hundred, in which he has advocated this “solution.”
This problem with it is simply that it is not doable. If one advocates expelling all Muslims from Europe or the United States, there would be the same objection. The powers that be in Europe will not, probably permit such a “solution” to Europe’s problems with its Muslim population. The powers that be in Europe, the United States, and Russia, as well as Israel’s internal power structure, will also not permit any such solution, at least not for the foreeable future. Any country that cooperated with Israel to encourage “incentivised emigration” would be subjected to economic boycott, intense diplomatic pressure, and perhaps terror attacks on their diplomatic missions by the Arab countries and Iran. As a result, none will offer to help Israel in this way.
It is time that someone came up with a practical plan for tilting the demographic balance in Eretz Israel in the direction of a permanent Jewish majority. I believe there are ways of advancing this goal. But without getting into realistic practical modalities, it is just a waste of time, energy and column-space to keep advancing the idea of an Eretz Israel with no Arabs. That won’t happen.
Someone said during the reconstruction of Syria the Pal-Arabs can move there.
First huge problem neither the USA or EU are going to pay for the Reconstruction of Syria as Russian and Iran are the those vying for control of Syria.
Russia has no money and Iran has even less money. So the Reconstruction of Syria is not currently on the table by anyone who has the means to do it.
Also the Gulf Arabs are not interested in doing this as Syria is aligned with Iran who is their enemy. So the Syrians are now in charge of the rubble with no way to clear it or replace it. Never mind the war is not really completely over.
There is a fake country that would welcome fake persons from a fake country, brothers in terror would be the common language, as former suppliers to plo they would have a love in.
One thing the arriving terrorists would demand the residents of this fake country give up their Guinness.
@ Edgar G.:
“Our main hope is that the Central and Eastern European countries will push back, as they are already seeming to do.”
Edgar you are right. No human has the right to give up.
Yes the mass of the people do not want Islam rule and dislike diversity. One of the biggest jobs to do is to puncture all of the pretense which is created by ruling class political correctness, and that is the biggest ideological battle, it is carried on everywhere, from Church to soap type programs like Coronation Street, to people like May able to ban Geller, Spencer and Savage.
A country and civilization can be destroyed very quickly.
And those who say that Europe is already lost have given up the fight and are the same people who did not fight, back in the time of Powell, in the first place.
Plus it is not just Islam either. Thatcher has been worse for England than any Islam. England long ago destroyed by Thatcher. Islam is just the parasite which feeds off the wound.
“The eventual reconstruction of Syria will provide an opportunity for Palestinians to find a new home. This should be greatly encouraged.”
Oh why did we not think of that before? What could possibly go wrong?
Alawites, Christians, Yazedis, Jihadist Mohammedans, Baathism, and the “Palestinians”.
Just an after thought how far back in history does Syria go?
The eventual reconstruction of Syria will provide an opportunity for Palestinians to find a new home. This should be greatly encouraged.
Gaza has never held and cannot hold nor support 1.4 million people. The Egyptian offer to expand land to El Alamein is a good idea but it fails to offer the Palestinians what they really really really want which is offshore gas. That holds the promise of living like Saudi princes and they want it & don’t want to give it up. The only way they can retain this is by claiming nationhood and r territory extending outer to the Mediterranean to the tiny gas Fields out there? No. They want Israel and all of its offshore gas claims and potential. Offshore gas has changed everything.
The Palestinians will become intransigent. The Russians can be threatened as having a monopoly on gas supplies to Europe. This has already resulted in the cancellation of the s u d g a s pipeline in favor of a second Northern pipeline. Likewise the Egyptians can give the Palestinians nothing LNG because they have two unused natural gas liquification plants unused! I need to pay for those. The population of Egypt is eating nothing but beans onions and pita bread. That kids alone forever and they won’t control their population.
@ Hugo Schmidt-Fischer:
You paint an extremely discouraging and drab picture of our expected future. I am not advocating perpetual refugee status. I am totally against such fakers and illusory identities. But….all I can say is to repeat that …if Europe falls into the hands of the Muslims, and Israel is alone ….then Israel cannot survive..Every man, woman and child up to the age of 80 will have to bear arms, and then it will be a losing battle. France’s nuclear arsenal…will negate Israel assembling her own. Unless it becomes a Doomsday effort…And although that it entirely possible, but I believe that the Jewish State, being Jews, would not pull that final plug. I shudder to think of the future of my grandchildren.
Our main hope is that the Central and Eastern European countries will push back, as they are already seeming to do. The rising power of populism and Merkel’s decisive decline are very encouraging. And if America stays Republican in the footsteps of Trump, they will also “throw their weight behind the plough”, perhaps even “lead the charge”.
By then, it will be amply clear to all, that the survival of a free world will be at stake and, it’s be reminiscent of that Battle at the Gates of Vienna, where King John Sobieski defeated the surging Ottomans and forever pushed them back to where they belonged…in Asia and the Levant.
Edgar G. Said:
Dear Edgar, if only you were right. But sadly, it is too late for Europe, its fate is sealed. It is becoming a Muslim continent in any event, and very rapidly. The horses have left the barn already.
And thus, it will be a cardinal mistake, to perpetuate the Arab refugee myth via a Marshall Plan for the so-called Palestinian Arabs.
Over the decades the handouts for Arab refugees of the Arab war against Israel have surpassed the reconstruction funds invested in Japan after Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Yet nothing came of this vast waste of funds for Arab refugees.
The solution is to assist the Arabs in finding a better future in Europe.
For right or wrong, Europeans genuinely believe that up to half of the migrants flooding Europe, come from Palestine. Of course, if only 10% of Europe’s Arab population would have originated in «Palestine», today, there would be no Arab living between the river Jordan and the Mediterranean Sea.We know this is not the case. But this fact is beside the point. Europe’s politicians have created the myth of the Palestinian refugee in Europe, and they are desirous of more migrants. So Israel should play towards this belief expediently.
Far too long Western governments have tried to appease the Arab world, by throwing cash at them. For the Arabs this is just proof that extorting money from Westerners actually works very well. The Arabs keep demanding ever more Jizyah payments. Instead of re-igniting the anticipated economic miracle of a Marshall Plan, the funds will end up in Dubai bank accounts. The Arab conflict will not be solved in this way.
The planned investments of hundreds of thousands dollars per homestead and family of so-called Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, Syria, Judea or Gaza, are doomed to failure. To begin with, most of the refugees are fake, and also they will never offer any return on the investment in them. Moreover, Western countries after two costly Iraq Wars, and after the dotcom crash and then the housing finance crisis, are running mountains of debt. The financial system simply cannot fund the many billions required for these refugees in Arab countries.
In any case, the vast investments necessary to set up the so-called refugees in life within the corrupt Arab countries, for sure would end up in the wrong pockets. But there is hope elsewhere.
Europe every year, absorbs millions of refugees. And Europe plans to import millions more in order to balance out its ageing, childless population. Undeterred by any impediments, the master plans call for millions and millions of more immigrants still.
It is a mad and futile undertaking because the migrants will not work and they are hostile to the Western way of life.
Nevertheless, in order to secure Persian Gulf oil supplies, starting in the 1970s European politicians agreed with Iran and Saudi Arabia, that they will prioritize immigrants from Muslim nations. And year after year, for over 4 decades, Europe has stood by its commitments to the Organization of Islamic Countries and will continue do so.
For this reason, persecuted Christian refugees from Pakistan, Egypt or Syria have been refused entry to Europe. Even harshly persecuted Yezidis were refouled back to Iraq to face certain death, while ISIS warriors are welcomed back to the EU in 2019.
If all the people in Europe, claiming to be refugees resettled from ‘Palestine’, then by now, Judea, Samaria and Gaza would have to be vacant.
But that can be facilitated. All Israel needs to do is facilitate the exodus, open up logistic routes, hand out passports, pay ferry vouchers to Cyprus, Malta, Cairo, charter tickets to Spain, Istanbul and Brussels. If you provide the tickets, they will travel. Germany’s Hartz IV monthly allowance is inducement enough.
What does it matter if another 3 million Arabs leave Gaza, Israel or Judea. The European Union is inviting another 50 million Muslim migrants anyhow in the next couple of decades. It is all been agreed ready.
What is Israel waiting for? Rekindle the Aliyah Bet in reverse!
@ Hugo Schmidt-Fischer:
Never going to happen. Proves the myth of Jewish intelligrnce.
I am totally against Arabs being encouraged to swarm into Europe. The reason is simple and must be already known by almost every thinking Jew and Israeli. The way that Hugo advocates, surely must be tongue-in-cheek. It would, in the next 50 years or sooner. turn Europe into a Muslim stronghold.0 (our only hope is that the reluctant nations will have sufficient revulsion to turn these Jihadis back, or push them on to other Arab countries)
An Arab dominted Europe….G-D forbid…. How would Israel survive, with such a huge land mass under the control of Jihadis, right at its doorstep…?? (including one with very sophisticted nuclear weapons) … Israel would be overwhelmed.
So Israel must garner as many Eastern and Central European Governments into close co-operation with Israel, and offer help and advice on how to keep the barbarians away from their frontiers. And as much more as is neccessary.
I so rarely disagree with Hugo -as he is almost always right=0, that I hope this post is an anomaly.
There is hope for millions of Gazans seeking resettlement so eagerly.
Many years ago shopping at a greengrocers in California, the proprietor told me he was an Arab who ‘recently had come to the US from Haifa’. Actually, his accent and demeanor would not suggest anything remotely in that direction. It was the first time that I was confronted with this canard. But it was so many years ago, I was unprepared and who knows, who cares where that guy came from. Only later I understood.
Since then, in Europe, I am more and more often told stories about this or that person, from ‘Palestine’. And I have come to believe most are fake. There is a big fraud surrounding the so-called ‘Palestinian’ diaspora.
Unbeknown to many, a large part of the migrant invaders into Europe claim to be of ‘Palestinian’ extraction. It does not matter that most of them are fake, that in reality they hail from places where they face no persecution, like Turkey or Morocco or even from afar afield as Pakistan.
Let me give just two examples.
Almost a decade ago, Berlin’s Senator for Integration, Mrs. Carola Blum claimed that 60’477 inhabitants in Berlin (in 2010) had an Arab background. And of these, accroding to an interview ,»more than half had ‘Palestinian’ roots». (Press event , 21 October 2010, Berlin International Nr. 74, Newsletter des Integrationsbeauftragten, November 2010).
Does anyone believe half of Berlin’s Arab population in 2010 came from ‘Palestine’? And if yes, would any Arabs be still left over there in the old country? Or was this just a freak co-incidence in one city?
But here is another more recent example from another country.
On 21 december 2018, Theo Francken, Belgium’s former Secretary of State for Asylum, Migration and Administrative Simplification in the Michel Government appeared in a video message on his facebook page. He criticized his succesor, Mrs. Maggie De Block, for having raised his former quota with a ceiling of 50 migrants per day to Belgium, to 191 migrants daily by end of 2018. Of these, the largest group came from Gaza, typically single males aged 20 – 25.
The so-called «Camp Belgik» has become a beloved destination for Gazans. They usually leave Gaza via the Egyptian border, and subsequently fly in from Cairo to either Istanbul or Spain. From there they take a direct flight to Brussels. In Belgium, asylum is almost certain, because allegedly, according to an army of NGOs, Gaza is threatened and oppressed by Israel.
The point here is that across Europe, there is a narrative of oppressed ‘Palestinians’, and they are warmly welcomed.
You may have your doubts about the background of many of these refugees. They could come from entirely different countries. It does not matter. What is important is that Europe is ‘willing and able to receive’!
Israel’s leadership is sleeping. They should start facilitate the shipping of passengers to Malta, Spain, Cairo, Istanbul and onwards to Europe, where they will be welcomed with open arms. The costs of this are minimal.
The 2 million of Arabs in Gaza with the 1,5 million in Judea are a drop in the bucket. Europe by now has probably absorbed 20 million Arabs or more, and is strongly expanding the flow. It’s now or never.
What is Israel waiting for? Does the government in Jerusalem really think an Arab Marshall Plan will transform the Middle East into a West Germany?
Start shipping out those passengers scrambling to get out.