Now, Don’t Be Offended
by Gerald A. Honigman
Ann Coulter was recently in the news again. This time it was for accusing Asians and Jews of wanting to be blackshttps://www.newsweek.com/ann-
Hey, don’t pick on Ann. She’s a truly loving soul.
In fact, she’s freely shared her very Christian love with many others over the years–including her late conservative Jewish actor friend, Ron Silver (a truly good guy), who brought her much joy by eating the host of the Christian communion at Sunday services with her. I heard that selfless Ann tried real hard to save Ron’s soul from eternal damnation by encouraging his conversion to Christianity on his deathbed from cancer about a decade ago. As a Jew (or Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, etc.), Ron could not get through the Pearly Gates in official Christian beliefs (“no gettin’ to the Father except through the Son,” etc.). I don’t know what Ron’s final decision was, but you can’t say that Saint Ann didn’t try https://www.wnd.com/2009/03/
This latest Coulterian episode brought back memories. Back in October 2007, for example, she appeared on Donny Deutsch’s CNBC television program, The Big Idea https://www.thedailybeast.com/
In the midst of discussing her own then new book, If Democrats Had Any Brains, They’d Be Republicans, she lectured her Jewish host that Jews needed to be “perfected”…you know, like she and her fellow Christians are. Those same perfected folks who murdered and humiliated countless millions of G_d’s children over the millennia for not accepting Christianity’s version of Divine truth. Guess what? Islam spread the same way–especially when encountering those non-Peoples of the Book in points east on the Indian subcontinent and elsewhere.. Keep in mind as well that when the Coulters now get a taste of their own previous medicine, courtesy of jihadi Islamofascists, they throw a supreme hissy fit (not that it really makes a difference who’s dishing out intolerance in G_d’s name).
Honest Ann (I commend her for simply stating solid, traditional Christian beliefs https://www.haaretz.com/
I mean, after all, why can’t Jews just see all the good Christian “love” brought them over the ages… forced conversions, inquisitions, ghettos, crusades, expulsions, blood libels, autos-da-fe, subjugation, pogroms, humiliation, countless massacres, the Holocaust…
They must be blind.
Precisely!
Now, while Ann did not write the book hinted at in the title above, best believe she thinks those stereotypical “smart,” G_d-killing Hebes are stubborn and blind–characteristics her faith has taught for centuries. As well as Jews being “children of the Devil, doing their father‘s deeds” (right out of the Gospel of John–regardless of alternative explanations offered), and other such loving descriptors.
Churches in Europe still have statues and pictures commemorating such things as Jews stabbing the host of the Eucharist to “kill Jesus” yet again (that same host Ann encouraged her pal Ron Silver to eat); a fallen, stubborn Jewish princess with blinders over her eyes; Jews kidnapping Christian children to use their blood for religious purposes (have you ever read about Little Hugh of Lincoln in Chaucer’s Canterbury Tales?); Jews poisoning wells to cause plague; and so forth. Indeed, the first picture of a Jew in England is entitled, “Aaron, son of the Devil.” And even the enlightened Michelangelo’s sculpture of Moses has what most viewers will see as Devil’s horns coming from his head…regardless of some “rays of light” explanations.
The cold, hard fact is that the road to Auschwitz was paved for centuries with Coulter’s Christian “love.” ( See The Holocaust was Caused by the Church, not Just Hitler by Ted Belman )
She then went on to elaborate how Judaism was just primarily a religion of laws and how Jesus relieved the world of this burden.
I guess she never heard of such things as these paraphrases from the Hebrew Bible…
Offer Me not your vain sacrifices if you do not justice for the widow and the orphan…
What does the Lord require of thee but to do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly with thy G_d…
Love they neighbor as thyself…
Or, since Ann rejects Hebraic laws, she mustn’t like the Ten Commandments either. Etc., etc., and so forth.
Yes, there are laws. And there’s Canon Law and such too in Christianity.
But the essence of Judaism is the ethical faith you see exemplified in the above paraphrases and read about in the Hebrew Prophets, and in the Torah–the first five books of the Hebrew Bible. Jews are supposed to show their love of G_d by how they act (mitzvot)…not by just what they recite or claim to believe. And you don’t see them forcing their beliefs on others. The one time they tried that (for political purposes) in the conversion of the Idumeans/Edomites, they wound up with the hated King Herod, ally of their Roman conquerors.
Ironically, while the Coulter types typically talk of Judaism’s “exclusivity” complex, in reality, it’s just the opposite. It’s Christianity which has historically claimed that it and it alone possessed the sole key to G_d, not Judaism…ever.
Up until that Donny Deutsch episode, I had mixed feelings about Coulter. Some say her remarks then and similar nasty ones about Jews afterwards are simply part of Ann’s shtick.
Not so… she’s a smart woman and certainly must know that her offense has a particularly bloody and tragic history behind it. There’s nothing nice about Christianity’s Replacement Theology. Luckily, not all Christians buy into it. I work with very dear friends who don’t.
While Donny was baffled by Coulter’s honesty, he was horrendously ineffective in how he handled it. But, perhaps, this was by necessity…
Back in medieval days, Christians enjoyed putting Jews and their religion on public display for ridicule. These were known asdisputations, and Jewish leaders were periodically summoned to defend some aspect of their faith.
As Ann lives in a country with over three hundred million Christians and about five million Jews (only about a third of whom really give a hoot), when she takes a Donny Deutsch to task on television, it rings an all-too- familiar tone…something Jews have heard and had to survive for centuries.
As the Jewish “defender” of his people and faith walked a delicate line in how he responded during those earlier disputations (his minority people could be violently damned if he “won” and damned if he “lost”), so Donny perhaps needed to keep his ratings up while not offending the offender…and his own bosses and audience.
Many Jews know Christian theology very well. I certainly do… But do Christians like Coulter ever ask themselves why Jews are “stubborn” and “blind” to their attempts to cram their “love” up Semitic derrieres?
Perhaps a well-known ancient Roman historian can explain it for them.
You see, when Rome persecuted Christians, it was largely because the only thing they knew about the latter was that their leader was crucified as just another of many potential Jewish patriots and possible Messianic deliverers against Roman oppression. Christians were just one sect of Jews by another name…those same people who took on the mighty Roman Empire for over a century for their freedom and independence. Visit or see a picture of the Arch of Titus, standing tall in Rome to this very day, to see how Rome felt about its victory over the Jews. Or see a Roman Judaea Capta coin of conquest issued after the first major revolt from 66-73 C.E. There’s one on the front cover of my book http://q4j-middle-east.com.
So, for Coulter & Co., I suggest that they take a very long look at the quote below and see one of the real main reasons why Jews (not Christians) must reject their version of Divine “truth” and their Christian “love.” Here’s the Roman historian, Tacitus (Volume II, Book V), writing after Judaea, the tiny nation of the Jews, took on its mighty Roman imperial conquerors…
The Jews acknowledge one God only, and conceive of him by the mind alone, condemning, as impious, all who, with perishable materials, wrought into the human shape, form representations of the Deity. That Being, they say, is above all, and everlasting, neither susceptible of likeness nor subject to decay. In consequence, they allow no resemblance of Him in their city, much less in their temples. In this way they do not flatter their kings, nor show their respect for their Caesars.
You see, while other ancient peoples deified their great leaders, Jews bent over backwards to show the gulf between man and G_d…the ethical G_d of history whom, by the way, they introduced to the world. Coulter would still be practicing fertility rights, child sacrifice, and such if not for this “blind people’s” faith.
In any other ancient society, Moses and David would have been turned into gods. The Jews recorded them as sinners instead. No man–no matter how great–could be equated to G_d.
What I have written above would have gotten me killed over the centuries, and my people would have likely been rounded up and burned in the local synagogue as well.
Like Ann, however, I–once again, as in years earlier–must also be honest. And I refuse to play the Ghetto Jew role, scared of his shadow and afraid of making waves.
Furthermore, for a number of reasons (not the least being a large resurgence of anti-Semitism throughout the world), Christians who claim to be the Jews’ friends need to be the forces and voices confronting the Ann Coulters and their Replacement Theology clerical mentors…not their still vulnerable, minority Jewish brothers and sisters.
What needed clarifying? What was said was said…there is no obfuscation in the article.
Now go find books like those of prominent Catholic scholars on this same subject…Father Edward Flannery, Sister Rosemary Radford Ruether, James Carroll, and others on this subject.
A good rule to follow is that if you’re going to challenge someone who makes a rule to validly document, corroborate, and verify his work before submitting it for publication, you best do your own homework first–and that’s directed to all of the above critics, not just yourself..
@ Honigman:
“You’re correct. The article is NOT primarily about Ann Coulter.”
Thank you, Gerald, for clearing up the issue.
Hey, Michael and Felix, Top o the mornin’ to ya’…
So, you don’t like my “anti-Christian landmines and onslaught”…
Well, if that’s not the oppressor claiming victimhood instead, I don’t know what is.
Everything I wrote can be well-documented to the ex-planet Pluto and beyond into other galaxies. You’re just not used to Jews calling it as it is and not shaking in their boots in deciding how to respond.
You’re correct. The article is NOT primarily about Ann Coulter. She is merely a symptom and a product of two thousand years of that special Christian love reserved for the deicide people ingrained into the very DNA of even atheist former Christians to this very day–hence the tremendous increase in anti-Semitism being recorded all over the world today. And this includes the old fashioned kind–like in Church Father St. John Chrysostum’s Homily # 1…
The Jewish people were driven by their drunkenness and plumpness to the ultimate evil; they kicked about, they failed to accept the yoke of Christ, nor did they pull the plow of his teaching. Another prophet hinted at this when he said: “Israel is as obstinate as a stubborn heifer ” …Although such beasts are unfit for work, they are fit for killing. And this is what happened to the Jews: while they were making themselves unfit for work, they grew fit for slaughter. This is why Christ said: “But as for these my enemies, who did not want me to be king over them, bring them here and slay them.”
As well as the version of anti-Semitism practiced by those masking behind anti-Zionism. Instead of “Children of the Devil,” individual Jews in the New Testament (please don’t hand me the “just Pharisees” explanation), the target allegedly is “just” the resurrected Jew of the Nations–Israel–instead. Now the Jewish State gets that very special treatment formerly dished out to Jews themselves. In a post-Auschwitz age, the latter is deemed more acceptable in some circles.
I wish you were correct, and that I was stuck in centuries’ past problems. It doesn’t take much effort and research, however, to corroborate all that I’ve written.
@ Felix Quigley:
Hi, Felix
Thank you for writing what seem to be thoughtful posts. I tried to zero in on your main point. It appears to be:
“my point is if the country is liquidated by Pelosi and especially demographic changes on a grand scale what then? …Why does America need one more single human being? …we have more than enough and one person coming in here is not necessary and moreover may be a danger to us”
I am certainly not against immigration in principal; and there are definitely “a few more single human beings” I would like to see come here — including my US-citizen grandchildren and their New Zealand-citizen father. I am concerned about ILLEGAL immigration, and the general breakdown of law and order, especially the disdain for the original principals of the US Constitution by people in high places, that is happening today. Pelosi & Co. are certainly prime movers in this aspect of our national suicide.
Besides the above legal assault on America, we are faced with a deliberate deconstruction of our history, religion and cultural heritage. This is being exacerbated by the immigration issue; but the deliberate changing of demograpics caused by immigration is a TOOL, not the CAUSE of this assault on my country and my people. The root cause is spiritual, a flat-out rebellion against the Bible and the God of the Bible.
In saying this, I am not inferring that the current immigrant invasion is inconsequential. To the contrary, it is extremely important, and must be addressed. We know that the “open border” madness is proximately rooted in selfish partisan motives — namely, an attempt by the Democrats to stuff ballot boxes in their favor. People need to be educated to this fact; but this is a difficult and perhaps unwinnable battle.
May the God you don’t believe in bless and keep you and yours.
I forgot to mention…I have huge differences with Trump and this whole layer but my point is if the country is liquidated by Pelosi and especially demographic changes on a grand scale what then? There are far more than enough human beings in America to do the necessary work. Why does America need one more single human being? If Lenin and Trotsky were in power in America today they would certainly say, I am sure, we have more than enough and one person coming in here is not necessary and moreover may be a danger to us.They WERE realistic and were not tied to a servant type ideology…we have to take em coz we are “kind”, that is the Sanders crap mentality. Most can not understand that but that is because so many lies have been told against the real Marx tendency, that is the Marx of history, not the fake news. Why can people not give up on these horrible egos and do some real reading?
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Michael you are concerned about the situation in America today and that really is the issue in this piece of writing by this character who holds a high enough position, but I do not think his position is justified.There are obviously various tendencies in the Trump movement and I find that this woman with a long history and many mistakes of course is one of the elements.
Here is the thing Michael. I am very suspicious when people line up to shoot down on a personal basis.
The key issue to me is that Trump was addressing issues in the election campaign, especially the changing demography of America.
There is the stunning example in this of Kosovo. Not many know its history. I do not realy want to debate with Yamit. He opposed the Serbs and joined effectively with Izetbegovic and Izetbegovic was an ally of Hajj Amin el Husseini in the war.
But America Kosovo is very similar. There is the prediction made by Charles Gave that inside 40 years, now about 38 actually, France would be Muslim majority. Is America losing the heritage of the heroes of the Revolution, which includes Tom Paine as well as Jefferson?
I differ with you on this. This is a move to Fascism in America but Fascism is coming out of this destruction of the Constitution. The most important thing in America is that this proto fascist minority decided not to recognize Trump as president.At the same time John Binder has written great articles. Yesterday I quoted him where he pointed precisely to how Trump can win on the Border and the Wall.
Do you know Michael it was like writing into a vast pit of emptiness…you write…but not one took up those words of John Binder of Breitbart, surely a great asset with Infowars for Jews today.
Because if these fascists win it is a new ball game for Jews. And all of the world. Me too.
This is not at all a matter of Coulter and her antisemitism. It is that many cannot see that it is not either or. She may be all of those things they say, but she is close to Binder.
And they are right. Those two are brave and are right. Trump as I said should have on the night of the election stated he was leaving for the border, and the next morning he should have been on the plane going there. Spent the day touring and the next night speak to the nation. To hell with formalities. Obama never stuck to protocol ever.
it is decisive times. And Ted Belman the editor is lagging as always way behind. But he thinks he is leading which is the real problem. Vast egos on Israpundit and not just Ted.
@ Michael S:
Oh..now your manic fantasy has you as “The Creator” or at least the so-called St. Peter who according your mishugas has the “Keys to the Kingdom”…You see I know all the dreck that you and your pals peddle. Well don’t worry, we Jews have a special, superior area set aside for us. luxurious suites, overlooking the River Stinks-which is where you guys are- but high enough to be closer to the Creator, whilst you hobgoblins are toiling below.
What I’m really saying is ….stop bothering me or I’ll just flick you off into the PIT….We have a yearly contract with Gehinnom Inc. for our garbage disposal.
I must say that I’ve never seen such twisted unreal fantasy as your torturing our reasoned comments into persecution of YOU…. Why YOU……with your fake -supposedly exculpatory- genealogy rubbish.
As I’ve already said you seem to have a martyr complex and also seem to be in the grip of your obsessive, recurring religious mania. Take your pills, lie down and wait until it “relaxes” you, so that you can become reasonably normal again; fit to discuss with normal people… and eschewing rancour and the imaginary accusations feeling your paranoa. You know I think you’re a good guy….except when in the toils……..
Oh yes forgot…I never drink alcohol even on Shabbat..so attribute it to your imagination.
@ Felix Quigley:
Hi, Felix You quoted my quote,
“I addressed your accusation that I was trying to make you a Christian…
“fq…I do not care. This is not hugely relevant to what is happening re Trump…”
You’re right. It has nothing to do with Trump. Notice that I didn’t address it to you, but appended it on an address to Ted — who was concerned about such matters. As for you, I don’t think I would mind so much seeing you in heaven, because you would come there with little religious baggage and would be a relatively quick study for God and the saints. You probably wouldn’t waste a lot of time, as would some others, trying to deny what you could plainly see with your eyes.
“What I DID say was that Mr. Honigman’s attack was not really against Ann, who is a pathetic figure, but against the church.
“fq I think you are wrong. It was against Coulter and I think also against Trump. Plus you say she is pathetic so I ask you why you say that?”
Concerning Honigman’s focus, I started by seeing his snarky attitude, touched a little on his diatribe against all Christianity and got a glimpse of his “St. Anne” comment. After seeing all that, anything concerning Coulter sort of receded into the background. If the writer was also against Trump, of course, something I didn’t take the time to notice, he wouldn’t have won many points with me — I’m pleased as punch with my President and with his charming Slovenian wife (My mother’s Slovenian).
Concerning what I said about Ann — Honigman laid so many anti-Christian landmines in the path, I never really got to her. I had seen her picture; but nothing attributed to her ever interested me, so I never clicked on the pictures. I did look her up on Google, after all the comments here, and just saw a bunch of bigoted remarks against, seemingly, everyone. I felt sorry for her, so I called her “pathetic”. I think Honigman just used her for a prop, to engage in his anti-Christian onslaught.
“You agreed with me this morning that the main issue with Honigman was that he had nothing to say about the war on Trump. I mean all this attacking on Coulter is empty of any the things she says on immigration, on the southern border, on the Wall… what have you?”
I think you said he was distracting us from “present day realities”, which is what I latched on to. The reality I was thinking of, was the overwhelming Evangelical support for Israel and the overwhelming US Jewish opposition to Israel. That is the present-day reality, not this continual Jewish whining about “victimhood” at the hands of the white male Christian “oppressors”. I get enough of that, just listening to the Democrats.
“I do not think you have very much that is really of benefit to anybody, including the Jews, but anybody.”
You are completely welcome in that opinion, Felix, and you may be right 🙂 I was booted out of a church a year ago, whose leaders thought and said much worse things about me.
“I have looked through th facebook page of Honigman and in the past two months there is nothing at all about the major battles around Trump in America… Is he an academic now divorced from reality?”
I don’t know. Gerald did join in on the comments yesterday. He could probably answer that.
“I am sick of people being rubbished without dealing with what they are actually saying and doing since we are all trying to address this present crisis in America.”
I would be happy, if America were just going through a “crisis”; because crises usually have an ending. There is no end in sight, for the present zaniness. White people in general, but Christians in particular, are “rubbished” every day. Our duly elected President is continually the object of derision from people who don’t seem to have a whit of common sense; history is being continually revised to fit current fads, and the heroes who built this country are defamed. Good is being called “evil”, and evil is being called “good”. These things are beyond issues to “address”, in my opinion: It’s time to cry out to God for deliverance. You don’t believe in God, of course, so you wouldn’t do the latter; but I do not fault you for trying to put a stop to the madness.
@ Michael S:
Are you comparing yourself to our Jewish God? Stick with your own diety and too bad he is dead.
Felix Quigley Said:
So do we all have valid POV’s
Felix Quigley Said:
What crisis is that??
@ Michael S:
I addressed your accusation that I was trying to make you a Christian, and I hope I’ve disabused you of that fantasy; but I didn’t address specifically your charge that I was somehow trying to defend Ann Coulter.
fq…I do not care. This is not hugely relevant to what is happening re Trump.
If you find something I said, in defense of that woman, let me know. I will, of course, recant it — I never intended to say anything in her defense.
What I DID say was that Mr. Honigman’s attack was not really against Ann, who is a pathetic figure, but against the church.
fq I think you are wrong. It was against Coulter and I think also against Trump. Plus you say she is pathetic so I ask you why you say that?
You agreed with me this morning that the main issue with Honigman was that he had nothing to say about the war on Trump. I mean all this attacking on Coulter is empty of any the things she says on immigration, on the southern border, on the Wall. Remove that what have you?
I do not think you have very much that is really of benefit to anybody, including the Jews, but anybody.
I have looked through th facebook page of Honigman and in the past two months there is nothing at all about the major battles around Trump in America.
Is he an academic now divorced from reality?
But Coulter has a valid point of view.
I am sick of people being rubbished without dealing with what they are actually saying and doing since we are all trying to address this present crisis in America.
@ Michael S:
Ted,
I realize that I’ve short-changed you. I addressed your accusation that I was trying to make you a Christian, and I hope I’ve disabused you of that fantasy; but I didn’t address specifically your charge that I was somehow trying to defend Ann Coulter.
If you find something I said, in defense of that woman, let me know. I will, of course, recant it — I never intended to say anything in her defense.
What I DID say was that Mr. Honigman’s attack was not really against Ann, who is a pathetic figure, but against the church.
You keep trying to associate me with Ann, a person I do not know and do not approve of. Was she trying to somehow “perfect” you? Oh, let me apologize for her! If she had asked me first, I would have warned her not to try.
@ Edgar G.:
Edgar, you seem to be drinking again. What makes you think I would want the likes of you and Ted in heaven?
@ Ted Belman:
Ted Belman,
I would never want to “missionize” you. Can you imagine someone like you in heaven, causing as much trouble there as you cause here? God forbid! YHWH does not need someone up there like you, to attack him at every turn the way you attack me.
Hi and thanks for reading my well-documented work. Even after many people turned away from organized faith, such teachings remained ingrained.
To further elaborate, please see the thoughts of two very important Church Fathers on the same subject we’re discussing now whose thoughts continue to have tragic consequences…
https://ekurd.net/mismas/articles/misc2011/10/article112.htm
As I wrote in the current article, I know that some Christians reject those hateful teachings, and I’ve worked closely with them for decades now.
Thanks again,
Jerry http://q4j-middle-east.com
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The whole content of the video between Coulter and this guy Donny is sick, every bit of it. I take it is much longer and this is an extract for certain purposes. It is also 2007. Coulter is coming out of support for Bush in his toppling of Saddam. We know that that basically caused ISIS to rise and so much other very bad things for the world. It is now 2019 and we have whole new problems in the world I have referred to those above.
I am just sick of Honigman and his whole divorcing us from the present attitudes. When I read his piece again this stands out even more.
Honigman there is ONE thing really relevant in America, and more than America because this is just a microcosm, which is Islam, and with Islam the sell out of nation by the lieks of this fascist becoming Democrat Party, and the various left fascist grouplets, who are linking in with that Islam and with that left be democratic becoming fascist situation.
And this to me centres on this phenomenon called Trump mania hatred.
The Jews have always been the scapegoats. First of feudal society, of the Church, then other churches, then of the capitalist society ushered in by the industrial revolution, then later by then later the weaknesses of Marxism in not understanding Nation, and with not understanding Nation not understanding Zion (Zionism), then Stalinism who Robert Wistrich in discussing these issues said “Now Stalin he really was an antisemite”.
But today it is not about these discussions. It is really will this fascist wing in America win and defeat Trump?
Now here Coulter with John Binder and probably all of Breitbart and Infowars. If Trump is defeated then that is a huge blow and it will be a blow to the Jews of the world as well.
Honigman does not seem to see that. He is on a different plane entirely. Very dangerous man that Belman here is supporting.
Seems to me that the issue centres on the defence of Donald Trump since about 4 or 5 years ago and much depends on the outcome. In this article I do not see Honigman defending Trump.
Here Coulter is totally the maestro of the situation.
Today John Binder gives a good educational lesson to us on what is happening re the wall funding. He concludes:
That is also the present position of Coulter.
Surely there are very big lessons in this discussion on Israpundit.
@ Michael S:
You seem off (the beam) on a missionising “trip” again… I don’t know why you accused TED of complicity in uttering MY comments, when he only reprinted them at my asking, to show exactly what I had said was not what you “interpreted” and lied about. You’re beginning to sound like an imitation Coulter in her manic stages.
In fact you are trying to place us all in a “Morton’s Fork” sort of situation…(look it up)
For myself, and knowing that I have in the past made amply clear to you that I felt you are a “decent guy”… BUT…I abhorred your obsession for posting your chosen New Testament tracts, which Jews and Judaism completely disregard, and which I personally despise, as a farrago of hateful nonsense which caused my people untold agonies for nearly 2000 years (and is still working today). . Yet you never can keep away from it…… like a dog returning to his vomit.
Are you THAT DENSE…..? or are you trying to “rub our noses” in our past torments../
You should respect we Jewish posters sufficiently to keep that stuff off. As you see Ted prints it because of his respect and acceptance of you as a poster with equal rights… but has no input on the feelings of others…and I mean ME..(nor does he want to have)
The more you persist in your almost medieval like “disputation”, the more I lose respect for you. You’re either misguided or……..You’re taking on the “role” of your “Saviour” who bore the burdens of the world on his shoulders…etc. etc etc ad infinitum …Pooor Michael, misunderstood nebuchal.
@ Michael S:
Michael, I see that you persist with the attitude of a drowning man clinging to an old mast drifting by. From TED’s reprint it’s so obvious that the context of my post itself calls you a LIAR. You know damned well that I was speaking SPECFICALLY of those who constantly persecute and torture us. It’s down in print in the recap..I used a common YIddishe expression. .I did not mention Hindus, Buddhists, nor any specific race, religion, or ethnicity. Some of our persecutors had been Jews themselves. That didn’t absolve them from my wish…which, if you knew even a smattering of anything about Jews and Jewish life (when having been on Israpundit alone for years you should have learned something-at least) was rather like you saying “let them all go to hell and blazes. (with my especial emphasis)
So shut the hell up and stop trying to prolong your miserable crying, whining, begging, pawing at our consciences. Go and look into yourself, you damned fool. I suppose you’ll take that as meaning that I’m damning you to the nethermost regions of-incidentally- FIRE…. Take it however you want….you whining baby.
Jews do NOT accept Christians who try and convert them or act as missionaries. In our view (Jewish) this is a hostile act.
Christians who do understand this or do not accept this may have trouble interacting with Jews because some Jews will call you out on this!
Michael S Said:
Its very clear to me. I can’t figure out why its not clear to you.. Assuming Honigman was right that Coulter wanted to perfect the guy, then you came along and defended her. I took this to mean that agreed with her desire to perfect him.
Explain what she said that you felt was acceptable.
Of course I was attacking and any other Christian who thinks it appropriate to want to Perfect Jews. Using different words, are you in favour of Christians missionizing Jews?
@ Ted Belman:
Ted, I just noticed your comment, which you somehow mixed in with the quote of Edgar’s comment. You said,
“Listen Mike..if you’d grown up in the vicious Jew-Hating atmosphere as I’d done, and survived, only find the same in Canada as soon as soon after the war as 1960, and see that it’s happening all over again right as we are bickering and that it never really ever stopped…..YOU’D feel the same..or else you’d be mind-dead.
“The Goyim [which is to say, “Michael S”] will never never let us alone…”
Ted, I was never in Canada until 2001, when my wife and I visited Vancouver Island. I was not there in the “Lord of the Flies” days of your youth. I know what it’s like to be picked on, usually for no real reason; but this did not lead me to hate whole groups of people, as it has you (and obviously, Edgar as well).
I didn’t grow up around Jews. Edgar might have decked many an Irishman, but he never laid a hand on me. — who, I might add, am not Irish. Those Canadian brats who used to harrass you are probably mostly long gone by now.
Do you want to help the Jewish people, and keep them from being harrassed? SUPPORT ISRAEL! That’s what I do. Jews will be kicked around and made sport of, as long as they are outsiders. Herzl and Jabotinsky understood this.
Golda Meir grew up in Milwaukee, long before I was born there. I was born in a Jewish hospital, and grew up on the Polish South Side; but Golda had lived on the North Side, in a German neighborhood. After the Germans moved out, it became a Black neighborhood. There was a joke when I was a boy,
Q: “Why did the North Side get all the Blacks, but the South Side got all the Pollaks?”
A: “Because the North Side got first pick”.
There isn’t any memorial, as far as I know, at any “Golda Meir House”. For all I know, it was razed along with most of the slum dwellings in the neighborhood. Most became vacant lots, though there was some effort at “gentrification” at one time. I haven’t seen the place for over 25 years; it’s forgotten by me and everyone else.
Golda Meir is not forgotten, though, because she did a smart thing: She moved to Israel, where she made history defending the Jewish Homeland from attack in 1973. She was Milwaukee’s greatest hero, the only national leader we ever produced; but Milwaukee never appreciated her and has forgotten her. That’s because she didn’t belong in Milwaukee: She belonged in Israel — as do you, and as does every Jew.
I’m not saying that flippantly. God made the Jewish people, for a people unto Himself; and He gave Israel to them as an inheritance. If you were picked on in Canada, it was for two reasons:
1. Children can be tyrants, and
2. You didn’t really belong there.
Neither did I belong In Wisconsin, nor do I today in Oregon. The Apostle Peter said this to the church:
1 Peter 2:
[11] Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;
[12] Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.
and Paul said to the church at Philippi,
Phil. 3:
[20] For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
You are a Jew: You are harrassed here, but you have a place you can flee to. Ironically, it’s in the Christian “New Testament” that we find the exhortation,
Rev. 18:
[4] And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
[5] For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
[6] Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
[7] How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
[8] Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
[9] And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
[10] Standing afar off for the fear of her torment…
I know where Babylon is: It’s the place of Jewish exile; and by extension, it’s the seat of today’s great Roman civilization, with its center in the US — the same Rome that crucified Jesus, persecuted John (who wrote the above), and is now, as the US, the principal place of Jewish exile, the “New Babylon”.
But how is a CHRISTIAN to “flee Babylon”? Where should we flee to? We have no homeland; our only homeland is in heaven. Those verses were written for YOU, not for me. Count your blessings.
In case anyone can not find any Coulter anti Semitic or bigoted remarks I added more below. Curious anyone on the site still sticking up for her?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/ann-coulter-says-jews-like-rest-of-democratic-base-hate-white-men/
Another Jew crack by Coulter below. I have witnessed several myself over the years. Yes she is just one of many anti Semites in this world.
https://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/267880/paul-ryan-jewish-roots-anti-semitism-ann-coulter
Sample of Ann Coulters Jew hatred remarks below.
She is no friend of Jews or Israel and wants to make the ethnic mix in the USA does not get dilluted anymore which is why she is against immigration.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/ann-coulters-anti-semitism-runs-deeper-than-you-know
@ Felix Quigley:
Hi, Felix.
Amazingly, I agree with you!
“[Honigman’s] diatribe against Coulter is totally empty of the reality of the present.”
Honigman seems to be trying to discharge several millennia of baggage onto the whole Christian world, using this Coulter woman as a “straw person”.
One good reason for Jews to stop carrying this stuff around is that, as you pointed out, it puts them out of touch with present-day reality. “The Christians” (meaning Michael S) are NOT out to get Israel; but plenty of Jews are. That’s the reality.
Concerning Ann Coulter, I have seen her sad face pop up now and then on the margins of web pages; but somehow I never was tempted to give her a “click”. After reading Honigman’s hot comments, which were really against Christianity and not against her, I decided to Google her. I came up empty: Yes, she seems to exist; but she doesn’t seem to say much of anything that is meaningful. Honigman’s angst against her seems totally inappropriate.
Having said that I know nothing about Coulter, I might add that outside of the present diatribe, I know nothing about Honigman. I imagine he must have an awful backache, though, from shlepping around so much baggage, apparently all his life.
@ Ted Belman:
Ted,
You addressed me, so I will answer you.
“I understood that response to mean you agreed with her desire to “perfect Jews”. You failed to answer that question. Instead you quoted Edgar as wanting to burn all Christians and asked me if I agree with him. Not only do I not agree with that remark but I bet neither does Edgar.”
1. You weren’t saying anything about ANN COULTER trying to perfect anyone. What you said, was:
“So do you think it appropriate for Christians to want to”perfect” us?”
That comment is not against Ann. It’s against us awful “Christians”. Moreover, you said,
2. “Do YOU think it appropriate…”
That makes it clear that you were attacking ME personally. I’ve already told you, I’m not out to “perfect” you or anyone here. It was ridiculous for you to accuse me of such a thing. Because YOU were thus smearing my character by insinuation, I felt it right to remind you that you, by permission, had allowed much worse, in letting Edgar’s hate speech fly loose:
3. “POOOr Michael….Is your backside beginning to sizzle….??? Yes I HATE them, so your stupid Political Correctness crap is on track.”
Edgar said he hates all Goyim: Hindus, Muslims, Christians, you name it… and especially ME, whom he frankly thinks of as “stupid”. I don’t, in return, think Edgar is stupid. I think he simply drinks too much while typing. You, however, were able to edit his remarks, but chose not to. Later, you said,
3. “Your are smearing me as hating Christians.without a shread of evidence.”
I just gave you a “shred”. I won’t go beyond that. I did not smear you, and have no intention of smearing you.
@ IMHO:
I do not know who you are but you have got it.
I had in the past some respect for Honigman when he explained how the Berbers etc> were conquered by the Jihad, causing them to adapt to the Jihad or perish.
But honestly on reading this from him I realized that life, that is political life, I am sure personally he is most happy, has left him behind.
His diatribe against Coulter is totally empty of the reality of thepresent.
The best writer by far today is John Binder of Breitbart and Binder I know is pretty darned close to Coulter.
I supported and still defend Trump for one basic reason, but disagree with real fundamentals too, and that reason was that America was being destroyed as a nation mainly by immigration. It was certainly the universal danger of Islam and Sharia, but in my humble view also by the Latino onrush.
I am certain that Trump BETRAYED his election plans and promises. He did then HAVE a strategy.
And the Wall, Steel Fence, policing of that border was central tot he strategy of stopping America being over run.
And on this continual betrayal by Trump, and others like Breitbart, Jones, even Stone who I do like, Coulter was not afraid to stand up to them. And she was and is dead right.
I mean she is what she is. She pushed books but is not alone in that. She talks to very bad people on air. But give her that. She has courage and she has the interests of America at heart. But she also is right on the content.
The content of the situation, as opposed to the surface appearance (the froth) is that if these left fascists and establishment fascists manage to smash Trump and this Trump movement, then it will be a major blow against all real progressive people, in which I always count because of their position as scapegoat in class society, the Jews.
And she is above all right on this. Trump has not measured up on a whole heap of issues.
Trump had to be down on that border on day one but was definitely not. It was a conn job. It is now well into the THIRD year. Well no I withdraw that. Not exactly a conn. More a matter that Trump did not really have what it took.
I go back again to what is needed in this situation and Trump is not that. I would say Trump is not a Trotsky. You can learn a lot from late 1918 when Trotsky faced a situation on the Eastern Front of complete disaster and how he turned it around is a complete marvel to me.
The real lesson is the individual does indeed count.
@ Felix Quigley:
Yes Felix there is one good thing to say about Ann Coulter she can not stand Commies!
@ Bear Klein:
Do not hold back Bear Klein!
I count 4 charges and a conclusion of shunning and disowning.
You think that is a good thing! I mean shunning and disowning. That you think will help the discussion.
Bear Klein is big on the shunning and disowning ain’t he! He has declared many times that I the Marxist is the untouchable of the net!!!
But for the record Bear Klein it was Marxist inspiration which after centuries by bravery, commitment and by conscious action cum will power finally after those very centuries (count the days and years) put an end to the pogroms which were such an affliction on the ancestors in Lithuania and Latvia of the cousins of Edgar. I am talking about the period specifically from 1917 to 1922. With the Whites running with their tails between their legs went the pogrom in the year of 1922. As far as I understand it the pogrom was gone from a good section of the world. Like gone forever. It was those very Whites who linked up with Hitler to do their dirty work again in 1941 in Lithuania.
So I ask bear Klein a question here and now…do you think there are no good things to say at all about the life of Ann Coulter? I mean nothing!
If you have nothing good at all to say about Coulter in her work in the political situation in America and the world today then you are one empty hombre.
Or maybe, most likely, is that Bear Klein and Laura, they stick their nose up out from under the blanket, sniff the air on Israpundit surrounding Honigman today, and say as their spirits rise we can score a few points here.
I concur with the statement of the author
Ann Coulter is an attention jock and her fame is made by many recurring bigoted statements against minorities of all sorts. She is a disgusting disgrace of a human being and should be shunned or disowned by all people of good will.
On Feb 2/19 Edgar commented:
@ Michael S:
Honigman wrote ” she lectured her Jewish host that Jews needed to be “perfected”…you know, like she and her fellow Christians are.” and you called it “claptrap”. I understood that response to mean you agreed with her desire to “perfect Jews”. You failed to answer that question. Instead you quoted Edgar as wanting to burn all Christians and asked me if I agree with him. Not only do I not agree with that remark but I bet neither does Edgar.
Michael S Said:
Your are smearing me as hating Christians.without a shread of evidence.
As for my article, The Holocaust was Caused by the Church, not Just Hitler , I was merely telling the historical truth. You call it my “spiteful two cents worth”. You sir are in denial.
Your response to Honigman’s article opens up another can of worms namely the discussion that followed you using the phrase “you Jews…”
@ Michael S:
You dumbell…Ted didn;t delete it.No reason ito. That was the time when Adam and I were kidding about my agreeing with him because I expected him to leave me everything in his will. He’ll remember.Tey goyim were both the terrorists and the Evil Chrstans who tortured and burnt Jews at wll n those days…
In fact..TED. if you can…. It was on Feb 2nd…Michael is kvitzin away here.
@ Michael S:
I know what it is about, and it has nothing to do with Christians -at least present day Christians. Do you think I’m a raving lunatic. You sound so simple and so “hurt”…. so pathetic…I could cry….just thnking about your stupidty.
I’ll see if I can find that quote. and rub your nose right off wth it as a grindstone..you were so quick to accuse me….
@ yamit82:
Yamit, please understand that I am not trying to “perfect” you. You are welcome to your prejudices — they hurt you more than they hurt anyone else, but you are welcome to them. Where should I start?
1. Hitler: Outside of what you said, we have:
“See The Holocaust was Caused by the Church, not Just Hitler by Ted Belman”
That’s Ted putting in his spiteful two cents’ worth. I didn’t say it; ann didn’t say it and Honigman didn’t say it. Mike Godwin said it:
“As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1”
2. Wagner. I can’t see where either Ann Coulter, Gerald Honigman, Ted, I or anyone here brought up Wagner. He doesn’t have anything to do with anything on this subject.
Enough for what you said. Briefly, you’re barking up the wrong tree. Unless you think I’m Adolf Hitler, what you’re saying has nothing to do with me.
Now, concerning Honigman’s sewer-slop article, I see:
a. “she’s freely shared her very Christian love with many others over the years”
I have never read anything by Ann Coulter; but I know an anti-Christian remark when I see it. Why did Honigman call it “Christian” love? Why not just “love”? His remark obviously has nothing to do with this Coulter woman, and everything to do with Christians.
b. “I mean, after all, why can’t Jews just see all the good Christian “love” brought them over the ages… forced conversions, inquisitions, ghettos, crusades…”
I am a Christian, so Honigman’s remarks are definitely against me and against ALL Christians. I don’t know of any of my ancestors who forced a Jew to convert, who conducted an inquisition, who forced Jews to live in ghettos (Some of my ancestors LIVED in ghettos), or, as far as I know, took part in any crusade. Concerning the Inquisition, my father’s earliest known ancestor was in the Dutch Army, shortly after they concluded a war with Spain. That war was largely started because the Spanish were trying to impose the Inquisition (which had been against CHRISTIANS in Spain and France, not against Jews) into the Netherlands. My ancestor then came to the US to build the walls of Fort Orange, part of the Dutch colony here that had previously welcomed Jews into America.
You have a lot of quarrels, Yamit, against many people. Just leave me out of it. I don’t have anything against you, Ted, Edgar or any Jew.
@ Edgar G.:
Edgar, here is what you said. I am quoting Google captures, because I can no longer find your original:
“Feb 2, 2018 – Edgar G.: @ adamdalgliesh: It means “let the Goyim be burnt up with fire”
“Edgar G.: @ adamdalgliesh: It means “let the Goyim be burnt up with fire.” as much as my imperfect. .”
“Jan 29, 2019 – Edgar G.: @ adamdalgliesh: Well Adam …maybe you should “hand it over” now, …. Unlike 2018 Nobel Prize-winning scientists George Smith and … It means “let the Goyim be burnt up with fire. …”
I hope I can no longer find it, because Ted deleted it. When I commented to you about it, you just doubled down on what you had said and used abusive language against me.
Michael S Said:
More Jews were murdered in the name of Jesus than on the orders of Hitler—who was approved by Christian clerics. The Germans only carried the Christian ideas to their logical conclusion. Up to then, royal defenders of Christianity only expelled us, but murder is more logical. It does not matter whether Jesus was a good Jew or the founder of the worst anti-Semitic movement ever. We detest Wagner’s music not on its merits (and it is very bad), but because Hitler loved it. Christianity is not a theoretical discourse to be judged on its merits, but a deadly practical weapon against Jews.
I don’t disagree but IMHO Coulter and her vile comments are an example of the manner, not the matter. It’s how she says what she says, not her core Christian beliefs, that I find offensive. But as a Jew I personally couldn’t care less if she and other Christians, including many if not most of the almost three hundred million Evangelicals, believe that Jews (and for that mater all non-Christians) are damned if we don’t accept JC as our Lord Saviour. Again, I’m not defending the way Coulter has expressed her less-than-loving opinions. But she doesn’t speak for all Christians. She speaks for Ann Coulter and at most a segment of what I think of as post-Christians, much like post-Jews, i.e., CINOs & JINOs.
But either way, if I had to choose between “secular humanists” who don’t care if I’m a Jew but regard Israel as an apartheid state, and Christian Zionists who believe Jews are spiritually misguided and sincerely want to help us “perfect” ourselves by accepting Christianity and avoid eternal damnation in the process, it’s a no-brainer for me. The former group is accepting yet hateful while the latter is loving albeit with spiritual strings attached. The former group curses Israel while the latter blesses it.
But putting Honigman’s lack of nuance aside I find his message unnecessarily divisive at a time when Christians and Jews, people of the same foundational faith, need to stand together like never before, a time when Islamists and far-leftists are the real, clear and present danger to Christians and Jews (not to mention Hindus, Buddhists and other “infidels”).
Mr. Hongiman is stuck in a time pre-dating the 21st century. Is Christianity responsible for millions of Jewish martyrs? Without a doubt. But in this day and age, when hundreds of thousands of Christians are being persecuted in the Middle East by the very same people who would do (have done and will whenever possible continue to do) the same to us, why choose to alienate hundreds of millions of natural allies because their ancestors murdered us when they themselves are innocent? Why suggest collective guilt? That would be like blaming Jews today for killing Christ (even if that lie had been true). It’s hypocritical in addition to being short-sighted and vindictive. Mr. Honigman’s position is typical of JINOS far more than observant Jews’ the vast majority of whom I believe would view this matter the way I do.
Laura Said:
Laura Said:
I agree with Laura!! Best to ignore her as a complete narcissistic nut case who must remain in the headlines through controversy… It has proved to be a profitable ploy for selling her books, paid speeches, and TV appearances.
Note: She has learned correctly that picking on and slandering the Jews is popular in many conservative circles in America and she knows she is safe from serious retribution from ‘Toady Genuflexive’ Jews.
@ Michael S:
Listen genius… Go back and carefully read my comment AND the context and then come back and relate truthfully exactly what it referred to..
Hindus, Buddhists… don’t think I’ve ever met one what have I got against them….How would I recognise them……? . Chrstians (like Michael) …well……hmmm
@ joebillscott:
JoelBill,
Why should I read hate speech? This is madness! Edgar wants all Christians, Hindus, etc. to burn, and that’s OK with Ted. Hongiman is accusing all Christians of crimes against humanity. Then Ted has the gall to say I’m trying to “perfect” him.
Ted, I am not trying to perfect you or anyone here. I just called claptrap “claptrap”. If there’s some policy against that, let me know. If need be, I’ll certainly substitute a nicer-sounding word.
@ Ted Belman:
Ted,
Edgar G. recently said that “all gentiles should burn in the fire”. Do you agree with him? “Anti-Christianism” is not any more palateable than anti-semitism. I called a spade a spade: Anti-Christian claptrap is anti-Christian claptrap. If you choose to defend it, that’s your business. I am not like you: I do not hate Christians NOR Jews.
@ Michael S:
You really should read the piece. It’s not a diatribe against good Christians, it only explains how all Christians must accept other religions right to coexist on earth. It backs this up by showing how the Replacement Theology of Islam is no different from the obnoxious Christian theology of Ann Coulter.
@ Michael S:
So do you think it appropriate for Christians to want to”perfect” us? Christians are not superior to Jews in any way shape or form, except those who support Israel. Yes liberal Jews need to be perfected but not in the way she means.
The usual anti-Christian claptrap. I couldn’t be less interested in reading the OP (quit after a few sentences); but I would like to test the new sign-in format. Here goes…
Coulter is not much of a Christian since she has attacked the Evangelical wing of the GOP base and their stand on homosexuality and other social issues. And during the primaries said she didn’t care if Trump performed abortions in the Oval office as long as he built the wall. Ann “fucking Jews” Coulter is nothing more than an attention whore who has been all over the place politically over the years, including saying she would vote for Hillary in ’08 if the GOP didn’t nominate the candidate of her choice. And her recent attack on Trump for allowing a three week respite from the government shutdown got her a spot on her boyfriend Bill Maher’s show. Like I said, she’s an attention whore who’s not to be taken seriously.
@ joebillscott:
Coulter has always been crazy. I recall her from years ago with her giraffe like neck, and harsh monotonous voice. She always seemed to be full of pent-up something and it would only be a matter of time for her to explode and end in a sanitarium. She may have, for all I know. I’m just surprised to see that she’s still around and just as noxious as ever. An interviewer’s delight. always bound to say something outrageous-but not in humour like for instance Henry Morgan.
Wow, I’ve got to meet this author!