Before watching this video, I wrote to a number of editors and activists my thoughts on the troop withdrawal. I stand by them even after watching the video:
Prior to Trump’s announcement of the intended withdrawal of 2000 US troops ( believe that the actual number of troops there may go as high as 4000.), it appeared to me that America’s occupation of the 30% of Syria to the east of the Euphrates together with the Kurds, put them in control of the whole ME (Iran, Iraq and Syria.). Yes they were on a mission to destroy ISIS and the job was almost completed (90% done) but they had another mission which was just beginning to be pursued and that is namely the push-back of Iran and perhaps even regime change there. Trump made no mention of this mission and few if any commentators referred to its existence. I found that surprising. I also found it surprising that these troops were considered superfluous and could be brought home yet the 5000 US troops in Iraq weren’t. Why was Iraq more important than Syria?
Since the phone call with Erdogan when Trump mentioned bringing the troops home immediately this time frame has been extended to 6 months.
When Pompeo was interviewed by Ingraham I believe, he said that this decision to remove the troops had been thoroughly discussed for 2 weeks. So Trump didn’t just impulsively say it.
It surprised me that Trump didn’t say that Turkey had to refrain from attacking the Kurds or didn’t say anything about Erdogan’s antisemitic remarks recently made. I also can’t believe that a matter as important as this (letting them go east of the Euphrates) is finalized in a phone call. The US possession of these lands is far too valuable to throw it away.
A little while later there was a news report that Bibi had asked Trump to remove the troops as Bibi was about to start a way with Hezbollah. I don’t believe such a request was made and was possibly floated to take some heat off Trump.
All Trump’s detractor’s assume the worst. What they should be doing is giving him the benefit of the doubt and hold fire until the phone call is followed up by action. There are too many unanswered questions.
I just couldn’t believe that Trump had stabbed Israel or the Kurds in the back as virtually everyone claimed. It is more likely that he is looking out for their interests. Remember Trump til now has been saying that US foreign policy should stand by their allies . This was an important principle.
I have some insider information that says he is standing by Kurds and the Israelis. That doesn’t mean that he is going to give Kurds an independent state. American policy for both Iraq and Syria has been to avoid breaking them up. So in my opinion what he has in mind is autonomy within a state.
The Arab League and Assad are getting back together. I am surprised this is happening before Syria has agreed on a constitution. What could it mean?
Its my guess that the US together with their Arab allies are in negotiations with Assad to change sides. Sure Assad can’t get $300 billion from Russia and Iran to rebuild Syria but they can get it from the US and Saudi Arabia. If such a deal is agreed upon there is no reason why Russia can’t remain with its port and airfields and influence. Only Iran has to go along with its militias including Hezbollah.
Secondly Turkey was not given a free ride to remain Islamist and a trouble maker. I am told Turkey has come around and is now being friendly. By publicly agreeing to finishing off ISIS, whom they allied with before, are they not saying that they are moving back. After all It was during the Obama years that both Obama and Erdogan embraced the Muslim Brotherhood and islamists. Now that Egypt and the gulf states have outlawed the MB, and agreed to defeat the Islamist ideology rather than advance it, Erdogan sees no benefit from being an outlier.
My source has also told me why the troops are being withdrawn and no one has even speculated on the real reason. I can’t tell you more that that.
Let’s see how it all plays out.
@ Edgar G.:
Hi, Edgar. Sorry I confused Bear with Buzz.
I do want to get along better with Bear. It’s fine to banter, as you often do; but I don’t think either Bear or I welcome acrimony.
Someone said that the present time is like the 1930s in Europe. That is not an unreasonable comparison. The Holocaust did not begin in earnest until 1941; but antisemitism grew steadily throughout the 30s because of rabble-rousers like Hitler. What we are seeing today is not a return to the gas chambers, but a return to that rabble-rousing.
The Holocaust is history; but what we are experiencing today is not the Holocaust: it is a new wave of lying attacks; and the targets are faithful Christians as well as faithful Jews. The bannings and arrests have already begun. Even Rev. Franklin Graham, one of the most famous Christian preachers in the US, has been banned from Facebook for “hate speech” — presumably because he quoted the Bible about homosexuality.
I’m not going to waste my time commiserating with a Jew because he’s never learned to forgive and forget something that happened 75 years ago. I have enough on my plate here and now — and so does he.
@ Michael S:
Michael I think this is very unlike Bear’s normally decent behaviour- he could not be seriously serious. I say that I regard you as an excellent commentator (except on “bones”), extremely literate, and very definitely NOT an Anti-Semite….not possible. I say it……!!
Although you think little of Bear’s present sense of humour, consider that you are in the middle of an acrimonious exchange, and neither is going to placate the other.
Bear was NOT the cause of my temporarily leaving -it was Buzz of the Orient……
@ Bear Klein:
“For any illiterate commentators”
Bear, I take that as an ad hominem remark against me. I take offense to it. If Yamit or Edgar or anyone else had said it, I would consider it “humor”; but you seem to have the sense of humor of someone who drinks hydrochloric acid for breakfast.
I’m not the only one you’ve done this to — You darned near got Edgar to pack up and leave. FYI, none of the commenters here are “illiterate”.
For any illiterate commentators
This was NOT an anonymous source. Whether it happens who knows because as many people have said Trump appears to change his mind depending on the last person he talks to on a subject.
I am not trying to cheap shot Trump because I voted for him and call them as I view them even if it offends those worship Trump as he were a demi-god. Trump had already said ISIS was defeated so the US could leave Syria in-spite of what the military told him.
What Trump did right and Obama did wrong was Trump did not micro-manage the military from the White House and changed the rules of engagement to allow the military to smash ISIS. They used special forces to “paint” targets (Obama did not allow this). Obama said it had to 100% certain no civilians would get hurt in US attacks (an impossible standard). So using the Kurds and allowing the field commanders to conduct the war on ISIS worked. This to Trumps credit. Now he should let them continue doing their job.
@ yamit82:
Hello, Yamit.
“Now the Kurds an ally of America is seeking protection from enemies of America (Russia and Syria) from another ally of America (Turkey) ONLY IN THE ME!!”
You know they’re all “frenemies”, even the Russians and Syrians. Yes, the Middle East has its own flavor of treachery. The Hellenistic period was replete with kings inviting one another for dinner, then stabbing them to death. The Campbells of Scotland have a similar reputation, though I believe that incident was at breakfast. The Jewish High Priest once had thousands of Jews crucified over an insult; and even of the Nordic Varangians, it’s said that whenever a chief wanted to poop in the woods, he had to have four body guards to protect him from his friends.
The Syrian Kurds spent some time allied with the US, after a longer time allied with the Russians and Syrians. The Iraqi Kurds have been allied to the Turks, the Iranians, the Americans and Saddam Hussein.
Less than a year ago, Eric Mandel, the featured speaker in the OP, said
“Your choices in Syria are bad and worse, but figuring out what’s worse isn’t easy. Any wise strategist knows well enough that an American “friend” in the Levant, other than Israel, is only a temporary friend sharing for the moment a strategic interest.”
— https://thehill.com/opinion/international/375710-is-the-us-doing-more-harm-than-good-in-syria-and-lebanon
If there’s someone who’s been changeable here, it isn’t President Trump; it’s been his critics.
@ Bear Klein:
Hi, Bear
“A senior Republican senator said…”
I think we’ve all had our fill this year, of anonymous sources. When I see @realDonaldTrump tweet it, I’ll believe it.
@ Ted Belman:
Yeah but in the meantime, the Kurds have asked and have been given protection by the Russians and Assad from the Turks
Bear Klein Said:
This is the money quote. Like I said, I couldn’t imagine Trump screwing with the Kurds or changing his policies regarding Iran.
@ yamit82:
I think it is working.
@ adamdalgliesh:
Thanks for posting this. Very enlightening.
@ Bear Klein:
It’s becoming clear that trumps announcement of Syria was due to his belief he would score points with his base more than any tactical or strategic reason.
@ yamit82:
WHAT HAPPED TO EDITING CONTROL?
@ Bear Klein:
Trump seems to change decision according to he speaks to last… Well the Kurds have sought and received protection from Assad and Russia and will never Trust America and especially not Trump ever again….
Funny America has now screwed the Kurds twice. Once in Iraq when they refused to support Kurdish Independence and sided with Iran and now in Syria,
Now the Kurds an ally of America is seeking protection from enemies of America (Russia and Syria) from another ally of America (Turkey) ONLY IN THE ME!!
Trump rethinking his Syria Strategy and Withdrawal Plans Again??
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Hi, Adam
I just saw that my post was in response to SOMEONE, but it seems to be the first in queue. Odd.
I honestly have lost interest in Syria for the moment. Our troops are still there, and the principals are all engaged in shuttle diplomacy. On the ground, there is more misinformation than actual movement.
In the US, on the other hand, I call Chuck Schumer our country’s most dangerous enemy — he wants to leave our borders unsecured, abolish our immigration enforcement, and has even been instrumental in stripping the TSA and Coast Guard of its pay. What a shameful, disgusting person! In a few days, he will no longer be Enemy #1: Nancy Pelosi will take his place. These people are a REAL threat to our country; and because they are elected by US citizens, I have to conclude that America is disintegrating at the grass roots level.
I don’t see how what is (not) happening in Syria even bears talking about, by comparison.
This, I think, is the key to Trump’s thinking. Russia, Iran and Syria will exhaust their resources fighting ISIS, while the US the trouble of having to do the job itself.
The following is the Meir Amit Intelligence Center’s latest report on the situation in Syria post Trump’s withdrawal announcement.The Meir Amit Intelligence Center is closely associated with Israel’s Mossad intelligence agency, Israeli military intelligence (Amal), the Shabak, etc. Their take on any situation impacting Israel’s security is always worth studying
They don’t think ISIS has been defeated in either Syria or Iraq. However, they point out that the Shiite forces , the Syrian Army, and the Russians are all in conflict with ISIS. And they quote Trump to that effect. Clearly, Trump has in mind a “let’s you and him fight” strategy, hoping that America’s enemies in Syria will fight each other to utter exhaustion, weakening them all, including Russia and Iran. He thinks ISIS could actually be “useful” to the United States in this way, by tying down other enemies or potential enemies of the U.S., including Russia.
“Why was Iraq more important than Syria?”
I don’t think anyone said it is more “important”. It is certainly better located, strategically. NE Syria has the same problem Poland had before WWII — it was isolated from the allies. Iraq, especially Anbar Province, does not have that problem.