NYT: Our Russian problem

T. Belman. The author recognizes that this relationship is in flux yet can’t resist saying because of Trump’s “grotesque embrace of Putin’s thuggishness”, he is not the man for the job. Why not? Trump respects Putin for his strength and disrespects Obama for his weakness. I consider Russia’s actions in Crimea and Ukraine to be like a minor earthquake. The tectonic plates have just shifted a bit. This article must have been written before Obama made a deal with Putin in which he ceded Syria to Russia in exchange for Russia defeating the Islamists. Just another tectonic shift. They happen all the time.

By Ross Douthat, NYT

RUSSIA’S place in American politics used to be (relatively) simple. The further right you stood, the more you feared Ivan and his Slavic wiles. The further left, the more you likely thought the Red Menace was mostly just a scare story.

Now things are more complicated. In just 15 years, the Republican Party has had a president who famously claimed a soul-to-soul relationship with Vladimir Putin … followed by two consecutive nominees who took a starkly hawkish stance on Russia … and now a presidential candidate in Donald Trump who has a palpable man-crush on Putin and promises closer ties with his regime.

Over the same period, Democrats have gone from mocking George W. Bush’s naïveté about Putin … to mocking Mitt Romney for describing Russia as America’s main geopolitical foe … to spinning theories about Trump being an agent of Russian influence that seem ripped from a right-wing periodical circa 1955.

The ideologues, too, have lost the plot. Sean Hannity is hosting the Russian cat’s-paw Julian Assange because he might have dirt on Hillary. The Nation is defending Donald Trump against what it calls the “neo-McCarthyism” of mainstream liberalism. Team-player conservatives are tying themselves in knots explaining or defending Trump’s Putin crush; liberal pundits are trying to memory-hole everything they wrote about Romney and Russia in 2012.

This confusion reflects various partisan derangements, plus the destabilizing influence of Trump’s strongman shtick. But to some extent confusion is entirely justified. We should be uncertain about how to think about our relationship with Russia, and our parties should be trying on different perspectives, because it isn’t clear at all where our national interest vis-à-vis the Russians really lies.

At the root of this uncertainty is the fact that neither the United States nor Russia seems certain exactly what kind of power it intends to be. During the Cold War, we were (mostly) a status quo power — practicing containment, building intricate alliance networks, propping up bad actors for fear of something worse — and the Russians were the revisionists, promoting socialist revolution from Havana to Hanoi. Then in the early 2000s we seemed to have changed places: Under George W. Bush America was a revolutionary power, preaching the messianic faith of liberalism and democracy, while Moscow was a friend of strongmen, stability and the Saddam-era status quo.

But now it’s a muddle. In the Middle East, throughout the Arab Spring and its aftermath, Washington has remained revisionist while Moscow has labored at realpolitik, seeking to protect the devils that it knows. But at the same time Putin has become opportunistically revisionist in his own right, sensing American weakness and looking for ways to destabilize the Western order — including through tacit support for Donald Trump.

Unless you’re Trump himself, Putin’s destabilizing moves — the Crimean anschluss, the Ukraine invasion, the shadow war against his neighbors and Western governments writ large — have made it much harder to imagine Moscow as anything but an adversary to be checked, contained, opposed.

But the trajectory of events in the Middle East, where American grand strategy has mostly come to grief and we face a shifting array of foes and rivals, suggests the limits of a “new Cold War” lens. Our primary interest in Syria and elsewhere is not, as it was decades ago, containing Russian expansion. It’s containing jihadi terrorism, ending the refugee crisis, restoring some kind of basic order — and in all these tasks we need a way to work with Moscow if we hope to see them through to any kind of finish.

Which gets at the underlying question here, one that both parties ought to be debating: Just how right was Romney? Russia certainly looks more like a more dangerous geopolitical rival today than it did four years ago. But is Putin’s regime and its revanchist ambitions the biggest potential danger that we face? Bigger than Al Qaeda and ISIS and their epigones? Bigger than the far-richer, far-stronger, and equally authoritarian People’s Republic of China?

It is not enough to say that all of them are dangers; statesmen must prioritize, and our priorities are dangerously open-ended and undefined.

If the last four years really are a Cold War 2.0 overture, then our approach to the Middle East and Asia needs to be refashioned with an eye toward winning a new twilight war with Moscow.

But if Beijing is, in the long run, a more important rival than Moscow — if China’s capacities and ambitions are more dangerous than Putin’s bold play of a weak hand — then we may need a path to de-escalation and wary cooperation with the Russian regime.

Donald Trump, with his grotesque embrace of Putin’s thuggishness, is not the man for that task or any other. But as has often been true in this election, in the midst of his folly you can see the questions that the next generation of leaders needs to ask.

September 11, 2016 | 4 Comments »

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  1. Trump’s biggest weakness is that he has too little experience; Hillary’s is that she has too much.

    Is Hillary channeling Nixon? There were reports that she risked alienating a big part of her constituency by meeting with Kissinger.

    My thoughts are two: Nixon was pardoned on his way out of office; Hillary was pardoned on her way in.

    And

    Liberals like to start something with anybody but the enemy we actually face. During the Cold War, they wouldn’t admit Russia was the enemy. Now that the Cold War is long over, and we face Radical Islam, they don’t want to admit that Radical Islam is the enemy but are trying to stir up trouble with Russia in her own backyard (as if we would or did tolerate that here, anybody remember the Cuban Missile Crisis?)

    So, could Hillary be thinking of bombing Cambodia again? You know, just for old time’s sake. And looking for pointers from the relevant Secretary of State who did just as lousy job of covering his tracks as she did.

    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/russia-has-better-claim-crimea-britain-northern-ireland/ri9511

  2. Ted, I half-thought you were attempting to cheer up a dismal article….maybe… quarter-thought…weeell…

    Well then, one must read the article slowly and carefully to get the full extent of what you point out. Certainly, Russia, being the second largest country in the world just cannot be ignored at the focal point of international activities. And it’s aggressive nature must be recognised….and handled gently. It’s much a matter of leadership, both theirs and ours, and Trump, instinctively knows that Cold War hangovers are counter-productive. If he wins, it’s a bracha that he has had much dealing with Putin in the past, and Trump being Trump, right away recognised Putin as a man to respect (and suspect), but deal with in an open and friendly way. His lack of political experience, for me, is made up for by having been dealing with world leaders and high Govt. officials in all the major countries for many years. He knows them, and they know him. Perhaps his business experience with them is worth more in this situation than political. It can only be a help that other politicians have not had. And, concequently, he is accustomed to “hold his cards closely to his chest”. All to the good.

    Trump’s position with Putin is good for the Western World, and it seems that Putin recognises Trump’s strengths, and reciprocates accordingly.

    The writer objects to this mutual respect in the most derogatory terms, casting Trump as the little boy looking up adoringly at his hero…….. Anyway, my opinion is that it was a lousy article. Not worth reading, more a vehicle for Trump denigration than for pushing political truths.

    We see none of that with Putin and Obama.

  3. @ Austin:
    Thanks for being gentle with me.. I have now changed “Teutonic” to “tectonic”. Who knew? You did.

    I thought the article was worthwhile because it recognized that the times they are a changing. I used to tell Americans that they continue to View Russia through cold war glasses and that non-Americans are not so hung up on the cold war and are reaching different conclusion.

    With respect to the new school Hillary gave a reset button and Obama has been working with Russia during the last few years. Now that Trump is on board, they are going old school and vilifying him for it.

  4. I don’t think this “writer” likes Trump very much. He scatters pejorative accusations all around like a shotgun gone mad and only settles down in the last quarter of the screed. However he finishes up the way he began with his last sentence. Not worth reading, (so I read it to see why) and I suppose that’s Ted’s reason for posting it, to show just how bad a writer can be.

    The only brightness in the whole load of cabbage stalks was Ted’s prefatory remarks about Teutonic Plates. I was visualising them falling off the table and saying “gott in himmel”…

    My earlier remark about Jackie Mason’s comment on Frank Sinatra, has caused my odd sense of humour to set in. Sorry.