By Ted Belman
JPOST published an article over the weekend titled Time for an Israeli strategy for the next American administration. I did not agree with the strategy set out and normally would not have made mention of the article except that it was written by Eric Mandel.
Not only is he the director of MEPIN™ which is read by members of Congress, their foreign policy advisers, members of the Knesset, and journalists, he is also the Northeast Co-Chair of StandWithUs, an international organization dedicated to educating the public about Israel, while fighting the BDS movement. His views and policy prescriptions should not be ignored.
He argues that “Israel must begin to think differently, actively show that it is trying to be the partner for peace, and demonstrate that it will manage the situation instead just playing defense.” I believe that Israel is just doing that. Netanyahu always says that he is ready for negotiations without pre-conditions and Naftali Bennett is pushing for an improvement to the economic conditions for both Arab Israelis and Arabs in Judea and Samaria. Mandel thinks they aren’t doing enough.
He fears that pressure will build on Israel to make moves toward peace. He argues that Israel should take the initiative for peace rather than to be resistant to it.
Better judgment is needed going forward, and the excuse that Bibi must manage his fragile 61-seat coalition by placating the hard right doesn’t cut it anymore. Israel, for the foreseeable future, needs America diplomatic and security support.
The next American president may decide to dictate a solution, pressure Israel as the only party that can be pressured, and an Israeli response that is responsive and defensive could lose the day.
He is too much of a defeatist for me. He obviously believes in the two-state solution, no matter what the arguments against it, are.
But to be fair to him, he has a clear-eyed view of what Israel is up against.
If the next president is a Democrat, you will hear growing calls for a balanced “even-handed” approach to the Israel-Palestinian conflict. The Bernie Sanders Democrats are on the ascendancy, and will be casting a large shadow on the party for the next generation.
In today’s progressive parlance, even-handed does not necessarily mean support for two states for two peoples.
Rather, it means to many of the “Palestinian Lives Matter” Democrats, two Palestinian states – one in what now comprises Israel within the 1949 armistice line, and one in the West Bank and Gaza. Too many well-meaning people have been hijacked by the BDS movement, being misled into believing that if Israel just left the West Bank, peace would break out. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
He recommends that Israel, “Take to the offensive, put some plans down on the table as soon as there is a new administration, work with them, and then actively manage the situation and expectations.” One can’t argue with this except that he suggests the wrong plans to be put forward.
Some ideas: Announce a readiness for an Israeli settlement freeze beyond the land swap areas (6%) in exchange for Palestinian, Arab League, UN recognition of a Jewish State as envisioned by UNGA Resolution 181, the end of the (Arab) right of return, and acceptance of a totally demilitarized Judea and Samaria. Offer conditional recognition of a Palestinian state for a signed end of conflict agreement.
Consider convening an Israeli summit of the nation’s security and military leaders, past and present, to discuss the maximum land offer to the Palestinians that won’t endanger Israeli security interests. Put Bogie Ya’alon in charge, as he is one of the very few members of the government respected by much of the opposition. Other than the Jordan River Valley and the settlement blocs, there is much to discuss that would not endanger Israel.
There is nothing new in suggesting that we offer a settlement freeze outside the settlement blocs. My opposition to doing so is that even if the quid quo pro is that the world accepts our building in the blocs, we would end up holding the rest of the land on trust for the Palestinians should they ever decide to take it. But in exchange for this offer, he wants recognition as a Jewish state by Palestinians, Arab League and the UN. He also wants them to recognize that the area will be demilitarized and that there will be no refugee return to Israel. He knows that these demands won’t be accepted but thinks there is value in making the offer.
I disagree. Time, and again, Israel makes offers subject to caveats, only to find out that the world accepts the offerings and ignores the caveats. For example, Netanyahu, under great pressure, offered a two states for two peoples, solution providing the Palestinian state be demilitarized and Israel be recognized as a Jewish state. Not only did Obama minimize the demilitarization to a few years only but he ignored R 242 and called for a solution based on ’67 lines. The upcoming French resolution will offer even less to Israel.
Far better to work to convince the next US administration, especially one led by Trump, to abandon the TSS for something more workable and equitable (in Israel’s eyes) and which will bring us closer to peace. Trump is now embracing Reagan’s policy of peace through strength. Time to apply the same policy to the Israel/Arab conflict and support and strengthen Israel to achieve peace.
As for the basket case of Hamas’ Gaza, offer a seaport in exchange for demilitarization with acceptance of all previous agreements. It won’t happen, but it may smooth the way for the Turkish-Israeli rapprochement that both nations need and want.
Nothing new here. Israel would gladly lift the blockade, not just allow a sea port, in exchange for these things. Turkey is demanding a seaport without these things. Israel should not capitulate to Turkey without them.
He is realistic enough to say:
These conciliatory steps are all conditional; nothing will be given up if the Palestinians remain intransigent or if Israeli security is seen to be compromised.
The Palestinian Authority in all likelihood would not accept any of this, but that is not the point. The goal is to change the dynamic going forward, putting Israel on the diplomatic offensive to blunt the pro-BDS movement, and create a situation for an improved relationship with the American people, who do not understand why Israel is building in communities in the West Bank. America should simultaneously pressure the Gulf Cooperation Council to move towards a more public relationship with Israel, as Jordan, Egypt, Turkey and Morocco now have.
The diplomatic offensive he calls for, is basically to convince the world that we are ready to capitulate. The American people don’t need convincing of the righteousness of our cause or conduct. 70% of them support Israel, many of whom want Israel to retain Judea and Samaria.
Better still, we should mount a diplomatic offensive to convince the world that the TSS is not a prescription for peace, that Israel has the only right to Judea and Samaria, that the Arabs and the BDS movement they finance, want the destruction of Israel not the creation of a Palestinian state and that for a lasting peace Israel must remain in control of J&S forever.
He wants to convince America that Israel is making “painful compromises for a lasting peace”. The problem is that the more painful the compromises, the less lasting the peace.
BethesdaDog Said:
A perfect description of Felix.
Felix Quigley Said:
You’re a jerk. I’m only pessimistic about American Jews, a community I know well, and for which I once worked professionally fighting anti-semitism and doing pro-Israel work.
I wish I could tell you about some of my most recent activities but I don’t want anybody who might monitor this board, particularly JStreet or Jewish Voice for Peace, to tie my screen name to my real identity. I have my reasons. My disappointment in, even my contempt for, my community only applies to American, not Israeli, Jews.
With about 70% of the votes counted in Indiana, Sanders has taken Clinton’s earlier lead, while Cruz has gained a few percentage points against both Trump and Kasich. But Trump will certainly have a double-digit lead over Cruz.
So as all this sinks in, Trump will be fewer than 200 delegates to reach and surpass 1237 delegates, and will almost certainly have his first-vote nomination win.
An interesting statistic from the exit polls in Indiana is that 30% of the Democrats of that state say they will not vote for Clinton under any circumstance.
Stay tuned.
Arnold Harris, Outspeaker
Polls closing in the remaining parts of Indiana in about four minutes. Results thus far, according to Drudge Report:
54% Trump
32% Cruz
10% Kasich
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56% Clinton
44% Sanders
For the Republicans, it looks like the game is over. The GOP bosses will be pressuring Cruz and Kasich to fold it up, so their party will have unity in the national election against Clinton.
Arnold Harris, Outspeaker
Keli-A Said:
I though it was ” land for Peace”. You means there is not land and no peace? Here is a childhood lesson .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvlTJrNJ5lA
Keli-A Said:
You can call me Queen Bee , but on your knees first my Paladin.
bernard ross Said:
There is no right in Israel there are some individuals but no party or movement since Begin killed his own right wing party once he gained power and gave away Sinai and dismantled permanent Jewish settlements in Sinai!! The right has never recovered from that blow and Begin’s betrayal along with most of the Likud at that time.
Felix Quigley Said:
You have always been a supporter of BB if not hundreds of supportive comments over the years now you are suddenly against???? You Commies are never consistent. Neither was Trotsky.
Keli-A Said:
Trump is more pro Israel than BB netanyahu who has NEVER, NEVER, NEVER uttered those words that Jewish settlement in YS is legal and legitimate. Trump is very intelligent and blessed with common sense and good judgement. The minute he learns the real facts on any subject he makes the correct assessment. Notice that he gives not a shit about the legality… Trump says to build, build build… I say Trump for PM of israel.
Its great that he told that to the UK at this time. I believe more in Trump for the right in Israel than the current GOI.
When Trump learns something he has no problem adjusting his position to align with facts and reality… that is why I know he will be good for Israel. Trump is learning his new job even though it has not yet been given to him. the only job he had so far this election, which was a self employed position with a duty only to himself, was to win the gop primary… I think he has shown competence in that endeavor…. and as a bonus he had Murdoch and Kelly come beg his forgiveness.
Today, I was embarrassed by the sight of Ted cruz whining like a little baby about trump bullying him… I thought the little softie was about to cry. It felt like he was doing it for hours. It was at the burger king on CNN where I learned that Burger King corporate has banned fox in all its outlets and ordered CNN instead… the only news of Trump on CNN is when someone insults him and calls him names.
BethesdaDog Said:
I am a baby boomer whacko but have none of those values.
BethesdaDog Said:
back before those times Israel was attacked and gave one voice and face to the world. American jews supported Israel. Now we have many voices coming out of Israel where Israeli jews are saying that Israel is apartheid, that Israel kills babies, that Israel is disproportionate, that the pals are innocent victims, etc etc etc and are paid by foreigners to repeat those blood libels against their own tribe… then we have jews in black hats and 18th century polish fashions dancing jigs with pals and persians cursing jews and zionists. the prime cause of the confusion among diaspora jews is the confusion and contradictory voices of israeli jews. The things they say about their fellow jews would be unimaginable back then. I am sure if a Pinochet came along and disappeared those blood libeling Israeli Jews that the diaspora jews would receive one voice to support. diaspora jews support Israel but Israeli jews do not… at least not when their voice reaches foreign jews through the main source of Haaretz. Those blood libeling leftist Israeli Jews are not only responsible for the incitement of pals killing jews in Israel but also for the incitement of muslims killing jews in the diaspora. If you take away their money and lock them up as traitors then more jews will live. Everything the muslim says the Jews did you can hear out of the mouth of an Israeli Jew. the world points to those jews and says “see, even the israeli jooooooooz say the joooooooz are evil creatures.”
Whenever you are annoyed with a foreign Jew or gentile ask yourself first can you hear the same in Israel? We should expect not one foreign jew, gentile or Trump to state that Jewish settlement in Israel is legal and legitimate because even the globally acknowledged right wing PM has NEVER said those words in the last 8-9 years of his rule. When I tell that to folks who dont know they laugh and say bernard you dunce, dont you know that the most right wing prime minister of Israel…. even he acknowledges that jewish settlement is illegal and illegitimate… they say bernie, you fool, he NEVER NEVER, NEVER has asserted their legality or legitimacy to settle.
DUH…….
Mirror mirror on the wall, who is the biggest fool of all….. the jooooz, the joooooooz!!!!!
Unless Israel changes their MO dont expect the world, diaspora Jews or Trump to be “more Catholic than the Pope”. that’s an exercise in futility.
@ honeybee</a
LOL Haaaa
Can I call ya Killer Bee?
Felix Quigley Said:
will wonders never cease…… not doing building any more.. for the present… and certainly not a political party. Younger men must carry the torch…. lines is all you get.
Felix Quigley Said:
Felix Quigley Said:
you already know that I do not agree with this because Assad is allied with Iran and hezbullah; because the defragmentation of syria will make a claim for golan more difficult; because the syrian alawites and christians have proven anti semitic in the past and because the rebel jihad keeps Israels enemies busy and less of a danger to Jews.
Felix Quigley Said:
the jihadis are the fascists and so are the euros, the bds churches the national euro govs, the EU gov, the EU NGO’s.. etc etc etc… whether fascists or other they continue to stalk, libel, swindle the Jews and fund muslims to kill Jews. When they all fight each other its better for me.
Felix Quigley Said:
NO, Iran and hezbullan.. the allawites and christians are on the same side against Israel and the Jews…. but so are the jihadis…. hence, common sense appreciates an ongoing war and chaos for anti semites.
It’s a rare pleasure which I cherish…. to have some points of agreement with you… like these:
Felix Quigley Said:
Looks like we got a deal!
Go Trump!!!
Trump: Israel should keep building in Judea and Samaria
Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump says Israel should ‘keep moving forward’ in response to Arab terror.
Keli-A Said:
I learned this first hand from an Irish kid named Casey. He would chase me through the allies, with one cripple leg due to a bout with polio, I was easy prey for a brute. Then won day out of emery and options I turned on him. I clenched my fist and faced him, callin him every invective in my 9 yr. old vocabulary. He paled ,turned and ran. Great lesson.
Keli-A Said:
The Ancient Pueblen Society [Anazazies]of the Four Corners lived quite well. Then, unfortunately they evolved into a more complicated and class society and disintegrated.
Felix likes complicated. he should drop politics and take up the care and raising of small cute animals.
Keli-A Said:
I love pecans have the best recipe for roasted, sugared pecans.
honeybee Said:
How much can one stand listening to rants about Trotsky??? Felix is the commie version of Elmer Gantry..Both religious fanatics.. Both nuts. 🙂
honeybee Said:
The historical origins in Britain – the blood libel. It was invented in the twelfth century in Norwich. At that time, it was falsely claimed that Jews had killed for ritual purposes a 12-year-old Christian boy named William. The story kept going around. A few decades later, as was true in many other places in England, the Jews of Norwich were murdered. From Britain the blood libel about the Jews spread to other countries.
Thr Brits and Irish were and still are the worst of the worst Jew haters….
Felix Quigley Said:
There are no inherent rights to a national homeland, otherwise, Russia would let Chechnya secede, and Britain would have agreed to an independent Ireland long before it did. Taken to its logical extreme, the right to statehood would dissolve modern states into village-size communities and eventually abrogate the host states.
@ honeybee:
LOL Haaaaaaaaa
Felix Quigley Said:
Why ??? Because anti-Semitism is in the British-Irish DNA as much as their eye or hair color.
Felix Quigley Said:
No it means your have become a pain in the backside and you only argue for arguments sake.
@ Felix Quigley:
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7963/britain-anti-semitism
@ Ted Belman:
Why is my response to Felix in moderation ?
Felix Quigley Said:
Yes Darlin I do know about the “little things” om life and that why I enjoy your comments. So “Bless your lil’ol Heart Felix.
@ Felix Quigley:In your mind and many others including people I respect this English Labour party thing is a big deal.
Maybe but in my mind it is just a lifelong experience that so many of these lefty Europeans or Brits are just anti Jews.
Same old story! I am not shocked I am not even surprised. It is actually anticipated. My guess is neither is Ted or many other Jews.
It is just the low lifes story coming to public view.
It has changed a Little bit since then. As the years have went by it has become more and more apparent that we are all going to sink or swim together.
This comercial radio station in Spain called Talk Radio Europe has a discussion 2 hour programe each week.
This morning I was arguing on Livingstone, essentially on those points, that if you accept the Irish right to a Homeland why not then the Jewish right to a Homeland.
Essentially Ted they refused to discuss this.
They cut me off I rang again cut off again rang again cut off again
Big conflict.
They would not define Zionism.
Then I rang about 6 times and no answer each time.
THIS MEANS THAT MY ARGUMENT ON THIS SIMPLE AND UNDERSTANDABLE BASIS IS ON THE RIGHT TRACKS
What Livingstone and these types like Galloway have done is that they have spun the concept of Zionism into a conspiracy
It is at that point that the real Antisemitism kicks in. These types who would not discuss with me this morning that is the real contnt of Antisemitism.
They are not talking about Zionism as it actually is in reality. That is also why the point that Curious American made about archaelogy is a good point YOU CANT ARGUE WITH THE STONES
But I emphasise they are not as strong as people think they are. That is “when you put it up em” Dads Army TV series.
@ Felix Quigley:
You have always supported Zionism and your support, along with the support of other gentiles, is very much appreciated.
For those who don’t know, Felix and I go back at least 13 years.
Ted I wrote the first part yesterday…I have just added the second part which touches on quite difficult issues
MY ANSWER TO LIVINGSTONE…FUNDAMENTALLY THE IRISH NATIONAL LIBERATION STRUGGLE AND THE JEWISH NATIONAL LIBERATION STRUGGLE ARE EQUAL. THAT OF THE JEWS IS CALLED “ZIONISM”
Lenni Brenner is indeed an antisemite and the fact that Livingstone uses Brenner to base his comment on THE LIE of Zionists and Hitler working together in 1933 also points to Livingstone being an Antisemite.
Steven Plaut, the Israeli anti-Jihadist academic, was quoted in this qustion to Brenner:
QUOTE…”In 2005, Steven Plaut in writing for Front Page Magazine called Professor Lisa Hajjar a “Jihadnik.” And A Guide to the Political Left, lists Hajjar along with Norman Finkelstein, Bill Ayers, Phyllis Bennis, Richard Falk, Noam Chomsky, Juan Cole, Lawrence Davidso, and you, Lenni Brenner – as “anti-Semites who believe that Hamas genuinely seeks to reach a peace accord with the Zionist entity but has been overcome by Israel’s intransigence and duplicity.”
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/26866-lenni-brenner-an-interview-on-palestine-solidarity-black-liberation-and-anti-zionism
Naturally Brenner avoided the issue of Hamas. He actually avoided the question as well. Just did not bother to answer about his support for Hamas. That man is a complete fraud in the academic sense alone because real academics are duty bound to answer questions fully.
Even therefore in response to a questioner who was on his side of Israel hatred he would not answer. He is thus a propagandist for Antisemitism. Brenner is not interested in answering any question. Only in picking out “facts” but by taking those out of context creating a lie. That is what Livingstone and Galloway are doing over this issue today of the British Labour Party and the Jews in Germany in the 1930s.
There is much more to be said on this of course. But the reader should note that we are dealing here with “conspiracists”. Jews have suffered more from “conspiracy theory” than any other people on earth.
One question immediately will come to mind. Ireland is Ireland. Ancient Palestine and Israel is Ancient Palestine and Israel.
Are there differences between those two? Naturally there are as is the case with every country entity. Different geography, different history, different everything.
But in relation to two peoples who seek national liberation if we speak in fundamentals they are precisely, exactly the same. That is why Jewish Zionists supported very much the Irish in struggle against Britain…I am talking Devalera Collins etcetera.
There is no difference at all in fundamentals between the Irish struggle for its national liberation, in every sense, and the struggle of the Jews for their national liberation.
There is one glaring difference but it is not fundamental. Jewish national identity goes back much further than the Irish. Jews were becoming aware of themselves as a nation as far back as the return from Babylon (HG Wells). The Irish probably you could say with the Flight of the Earls but really only getting going with Daniel O’Connell.
So the Jewish national liberation is just so much older. But age I hasten to add is a quality and not a fundamental.
So it comes to this: The Irish national liberation movement is very valid. And so is the Jewish.
IT IS CALLED ZIONISM.
Additional Note about Brenner etcetera.
LIVINGSTONE AND BRENNER THROWS BRITISH JEWS INTO GREAT CONFUSION AND CRISIS
Lenni Brenner wrote “Zionism in the Age of Dictators”. Look up Brenner on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenni_Brenner
It was written in 1983 and consider this – the book is on Kindle also which is unusual. These Antisemites must value this book. On the article above you will also see a link to a PDF docment of the book. I advise the Kindle version problem is you give him some pesetas.
I would not advise answering Brenner line by line. I believe that the above piece I have written though short is actually a full answer to the Brenner thesis such as it is.
The Jews must not have a Homeland is his “thesis”. Just that.
I answer that I think very effectively by saying “Well what about the Irish”. The Irish have had to have a Homeland and they had to fight for that agaisnt the British over many centuries.
And there on that simple point Brenner’s thesis falls flat. If you read his book it falls flat on the first page, the second page and goes on falling flat.
Going deeper into the issue, which I do not really want to do at this stage, there was a touch of this in the Marxists down the years. They were in general wary of nation and counterposed to nation the importance of class struggle. Note I say “a touch of” and this is a nuanced subject. Go too far down one track and you are in the land of the absurd.
But the point is when you do study all the interactions (for example Marx was sympathetic to the Fenians but then asked why should British workers enjoy being blown up in Clerkenwell by the Fenians?!) they were never remotely like Brenner or Livingstone. Some people say that Livingston and Galloway are the prisoners ideologically of the Muslims, the Muslim Jihad taking over British life but which is the chicken and which is the egg. I think their revisionism of Marxism comes first and THEN they adapt to the Jihad.
Trotsky argued in the last Herzl Congress (Sixth Zionist Congress in Basel in 1903)
that a Zion in the context of capitalism would be a non-runner and taking the long view he has been proved right on that too. But there was still that negativity to nation I think present there by Trotsky in 2003. Born in 1879he was therefore about 23 or 24, mature but still with a lot to learn and this is a thorny theoretical subject even still.
But as the survivor to Marx and Lenin by 1938 Trotsky was arguing for Zion, but a new kind of Zion. Stretching language a bit you could say he was the first really irreligious Zionist.
So much more to write and I cannot do it. Not an individual effort in these issues is needed…needed is a party.
Best wishes to Israpundit and all Jewish efforts at liberation.
Honey Bee said to me
“Oh shut yore mouth”
I like you Honeybee and always have. You strike me as the type of person it would be nice to meet in a coffee shop and talk about your Little animals at home or similar, you know the Little things in life that are not insignificant either, and that would entertain me
But as regards politics I have never Heard you say anything as an indepedent person or lead with any idea. Those kinds of people are good people but never lead.
So have a nice life.
Arnold you are one generous and wise hombre and thanks for just being yourself
Ted I like you and always have but you sometimes have very strange ideas. The issue of the British Labour Party is at the very centre of Jewish history. Out from Ken there runs about a thousand different tangents PLUS it is of huge significance for the British Jews WHO are very very confused. I have much to say on this and will forward to you an essay
Beth I am sorry. You triggered a nerve. I get most angry when the people are blamed for bad leadership. The Irish went to America, the greatest people on earth, and they fought and fought against one and all, but their leaders BAH and I could write the same for the Jews Greatest people on earth but those leaders. I get really angry when the people are blamed and the issue of leadership is written off.
@ Felix Quigley:
Hello Felix.
1) One thing for certain that I can say about Trotsky: He stayed loyal and truthful to the tenets of the great revolution for which Lenin had built the political basis and for which he, Trotsky, had built the Red Army — without which, the White Guard forces would have broken that revolution.
Trotsky stayed loyal even though he must have known from early on that Stalin, could and would use his position as general secretary of the Communist Party to turn the entire government into his personal gang. And if he had reasoned out what would have followed,he would have known that Stalin would first tie his hands politically, then banish him from the USSR, then arrange his assassination.
I have been an admirer of Stalin ever since I learned as a child in the 1940s the role he played in building up the military industrial complex of the USSR, which proved to be the single most significant factor in breaking the Nazi armies from Leningrad, Moscow, and Stalingrad all the way to Berlin and the Elbe River in central Germany.
But Stalin owed it to Russia and to the memory of their great revolution to have left Trotsky in peace, dignity, and usefulness to the USSR that its leadership had built. But what actually happened was the 1917 Russian equivalent of Jefferson, having conspired with Adama, Monroe, and Madison, to exile and then arrange the murder of Washington, and follow that up with the judicial murder of his three helpers.
2) About peace through strength. Trump understands that principle as perfectly well. He will be the Republican presidential candidate, and I am certain he will beat Clinton in the November 2016 national election.
Trump is a consummate foreign policy realist, in comparison with presidential contenders in this country over many decades. Once it is made clear to him that, regardless of all propaganda among liberal Jews that peace some day is possible with actually possible, then Trump will drop it the same as he would treat a once-promising commercial property which had proven itself impossible of profitable development.
Arnold Harris, Outspeaker
Ted Belman Said:
You are many things Ted, but never superfluous.
Bear Klein Said:
Peace through strength.!!!!! Giving up the Sinai and Gaza only brought more death for the Israelis.
Felix Quigley Said:
Oh shut yore mouth. BethesdaDog is been posting before myself.
@ Felix Quigley:
Everybody is into it so my voice is superfluous.
Israel is not giving up the Golan and no two state solution is occurring.
Some o fthis is along the lines of Bernard
https://www.facebook.com/felix.quigley/posts/10208346719800146
HOW RIGHT WAS LEON TROTSKY…THESE TRAITOROUS JEWISH LEADERS WILL CAUSE ISRAEL TO GO DOWN…IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO FACE REALITY THEN START BELIEVING IN MAGIC
Netanyahu leading Israel has stood back and took no position defending Assad and the Alawites/Christians from the ISIS and REBEL Jihad
see also https://www.facebook.com/felix.quigley/posts/10208338358391116?pnref=story
This is the way that Netanyahu and the other phonies who lead Israel have got the Israeli political agenda going in order to SNUGGLE UP to Obama the arch enemy of the Jews.
A basic principle of myself as a Trotskyist is that you always have to oppose the Fascists, and the Jihadists are Fascists, ever known since the time in 1941 when Hajj Amin el Husseini joined forces with the Nazis.
Netanyahu and Israel were absent in Syria. The Jihad waged and they did not lift a finger. If anything Netanyahu joined the Jihad against Assad by patching up ISIS killers in hospitals. It is known they came to the border posts and Netanyahu did not ask questions. Nice!
By opting out of defending Assad/Christians/Alawites and others involved like Yazedis opposed to the Jihad Netanyahu and that bag of crap Yaalon opened the door wide open to Iran and Hezbollah.
Meanwhile Netanyhau and Yaalon make a big deal of developing anti-tunnel technology instead of razing Hamas to the very ground. In the last war they kept the IDF OFF the Hamas.
The same happens in Sinai where Netanyahu should be saying to el Sisi something along the lines of let us both take this place over and impose military dictatorship over every square inch. Remember el Sisi may not last.
The same happens in Golan. Do not trust Yaalon and Netanyau an inch on the Golan.
Besides the Golan is inseparable from the Jihad being waged against Assad which Netanyhau ignores.
There is not the slightest doubt in my mind that Israel is going to go down if left under these types of leaders.
Israel should be taking the fight against the Jihad in the world and the first step is what IT must do. The very first step, the firstest of the firstest, is to place Abbas on trial and break up Fatah/PLO lately known as the PA. This means waging war, a real war, on the EU, Britain and its miserable BBC.
Expel each and every Arab who shows the least bit, the tiniest little bit of hostility to Israel and to Jews, and thereby to Jews national aspiration for a nation state, on the clear basis and argument that the Arabs have 23 such states.
Expulsion must be the order of the day. Even pay some their way out and to a new home. But it is expulsion.
Those Arabs who love Israel and Jews … then possibly let them remain on the condition that they forego voting. The history is too severe to do otherwise. If true they will agree wholeheartedly.
Without this happening Israel will go down. The first step is a NEW PARTY to fight on these lines.
Bernard Ross all your points I agree with. You use language I as a non Jew cannot easily do but this applies not just to Jews this is a universal thing.
There is just one difference though.
You need to build a party and that must include in Israel. You cannot do this by lines on a page or as an individual either.
Ted Belman
Why the hell you not onto the Livingstone issue in Britain?
Bethesdadog
What an apt name you have
You have totally given up. There is not one spark of fight inside of you
Damm you to hell and back for your pessimism
I wonder…the world, and especially the U.S., was very different in 1976. American Jews, especially, were very different in 1976. Something has changed, dramatically. I knew the American Jewish community very well in the 1970’s, having worked for several major Jewish organizations and having done a great deal of pro-Israel advocacy. Now, I don’t know whom to trust, especially among American Jews. The pro-Israel generation is dying off. The baby boomer whackos are now in charge, with all their radical values. Look at their support for Obama and Clinto.n..their support for the Iran sell-out deal. The west, including America, is going down the tubes. The Trump phenomenon is just a spasm of a dying patriotic and pro-American subculture. There is no way to predict how Israeli toughness of the sort we saw in the past will play in the future.
I don’t advocate weakness by Israel, but it is not operating in the same environment where things were black and white, where there was good and evil.
remember how the world respected Israel after the IDF rescued the captives in Uganda. Israel’s policy was to WIN. That must be the policy forever! Negotiations are for losers. Winners dictate the terms. Destroy any organization or people that attack the security of Israel or harm its citizens. When the Moslems teach hatred, destroy their schools and mosques and replace them with Israeli schools and synagogues. That is the path to peace.
BB supports publicly a TSS, …so will Trump also?…. thinking that is what Israel wants? So who would be to blame… Trump or BB? Will we again whine and wail about foreigners supporting a TSS when Israel and BB declares that desire publicly and repeatedly?
there is no collective of people in the whole world, other than fool stockholm syndrome self hating Jews, who would seek to care about, improve the life of, relieve the suffering off, save the life of, improve the economy of their existential enemies who daily teach their children that they are sons of apes and pigs who must be murdered. The Jews are lunatics, laughed at by the world, a perpetual whining victim that looks to the foreigners…. what do foreigners think of the lunatic jew behavior of seeking “fair” treatment for the sick ideology adherents who teach their children that jews are evil despicable folks who are sons of apes and pigs…… of course they must consider those Jews to be defective in their sick loyalties, a people who cannot be trusted to be loyal to anyone else as they cannot even be loyal to their own, a people who will sooner worship a utopian goal of fair play and dviersity rather than be loyal to their own and protect their own children first…. thats why leftist jews hate trump….. because he is loyal to his own first and cares little for those who threaten his own….. Jews will sacrifice their sons, their soldiers in order to appear to be moral… sick bastards like yaalon. I could never trust a man like yaalon who would sacrifice his own to the rabid enemy wolves and the opinions of jew killers while pretending to be moral, as if he were Abraham being asked by Hashem to sacrifice his son… he does it without being asked… a man to avoid… a man to stand apart from… a man to be shunned.
It is the opposite to be sought: the enemy collective must be made to suffer for their evil, for teaching their children to slaughter jews; they should happily be starved in blockades; they should be immersed in chaos and misery; their terrorists should be slaughtered with celebration for saving jewish lives instead of releasing them to kill jews… their anti semitic clerics should be dragged through the gutter hamas style; their anti semitic terror funerals bombed with napalm to insure they suffer more… their filthy hags at the mount abusing jews should be beaten bloody and their children taken from them and deported.
Yaalon will say I am not a moral person but there is no way I would sacrifice my own to that filth like he does, and all of Israel is doing now.
Israel can be “proud” and boast of its morality and ethics in how they treat their childs killers and potential killers… but then they should not wail and whine when their children are slaughtered by the same ones they saved. Instead, Ill take my live son over a million of the enemy filth… Trump would do the same.
“It is incredible what political simpletons Jews are. They shut their eyes to one of the most elementary rules of life, that you must not “meet halfway” those who do not want to meet you.”
-Jabotinsky
the most sensible approach at this time is to do the opposite of what has been done, and failed, in the past.
when they fund terrorists take the money. when they name streets after terrorists bomb and destroy those streets, when they preach kill the jews in the mosque demolish the mosque and in the school demolish the school. when they build tunnels starve them with blockades, when they attack settlers arm settler militias to attack their villages in pre emptive defense. institute a policy of killing terrorists as always GOOD rather than the current Yaalon policy. Show them and their euro terror funders that they have the free will given them to end their miseries…. but first they must end all their filthy behaviors. Lunatics and criminals are kept incarcerated until they demonstrate without a doubt their filthy behaviors are no longer a danger to civilized society.
Its not rocket science, except to fool self hating joooooooooooooooz!
This is hilarious. A perfect example of a trial balloon set afloat by failures who wish to convince everyone to double down on the failure.
This article advises Jews to continue the failed policies that they have already been doing for decades. Instead of advising a change in the failed policies it advises to do more of the same. We have been watching for decades the Jews talmudically inventing new peace plans and ways to make peace with a people who never ceased to teach their children that Jews are sons of apes and pigs. LOL, did anyone ever wonder that the pals NEVER initiate peace processes which involve them making sacrifices for peace. NO, it is always the repetitive fool Jews who engage in this cartoon process.
I advise seeking a paradigm which is definitely NOT a continuation of the same failed paradigms. Israel should no longer assume 100% of the burden for seeking peace, a double standard foisted on the Jews by the usual anti semites in europe. Instead it should put the burden on the pals to demonstrate their need and desire for peace AND also on the euros and other foreign defaming institutions like the UN, the EU and the BDS churches.
Land for peace is what the vanquished seeks to give the victor except for the Jews who seek peace from the vanquished by giving land. Do the opposite… war for war, terror for terror, land taken for war and terror. Inform them that terror will bring deportation to entire villages. Assign responsibility for terror and anti semitism to individual villages.. their imams, their curricula, their residents. As for the euros tell them first before bringing up their endless whines of the pals to bring their plans for the Jews chased from arab lands, for their reneging on their agreements in the mandate, for their lies of illegal jews in the jewish homeland. Instead of always playing the whining victim reacting to their pressures, attack and demand, put the focus on them.
What is even more ludicrous is this Mandel advising to turn it all over to Yaalon, who is the symbol of the anti jew and the beating back and sacrificing of jews and soldiers to the enemies. Its time to abandon all this failed bullshit and go on the offensive… punish the stinking euro bastards who continue to stalk the Jews back to their homeland and fund the muslims to kill the Jews.
To sum up the article this is the vision of a loser. It propose Israel give up more concessions out of fear and weakness.
It does not deal with the reality that peace with a people who reject our presence (Jews) in the land of Israel no matter the borders is the problem.
Ted you are 100% correct!