By Ted Belman
As it happens, I know the Chairperson of the Board of +972 who wrote this message to their readers.
Dear readers and supporters,
I write this just after the Jewish New Year. It is a time to take stock of our lives, contemplate we have done wrong during these days before the collective repentance of Yom Kippur.
It is also an opportunity to look at ourselves collectively and ask, how have we erred as a community, as a country, as a people?
Of course, at +972 Magazine, we already think a lot about what is going wrong. So the real question is, who is our “people”? In an earnest and difficult exchange with my young cousin, she said, “why not take look out for your own ‘am’ – your people – first?” The question forced me to articulate my answer.
As a community, Jews can choose to care for our own. Palestinians can choose to take care of Palestinians first. But a sovereign state must take responsibility for all those it governs. Anybody ruled by Israel is part of a new political ‘am.’ The Jewish people chose this, the Palestinian people didn’t. But they are all my political am.
So on Rosh Hashana, instead of asking what Israel can do for the Jews, an exclusive question, Jews should be asking: what can Judaism do for Israel? Will the contribution to this land be Amalek or Rabbi Hillel? Temple, or tikkun?
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Over the past five years, +972 Magazine has built another kind of community, of Israelis and Palestinians bound together by values — even when we express them differently. We tell stories of those who are not living as equals, who are oppressed, suppressed, harmed or simply forgotten. We are unified in the belief that by sharing information and ideas, minds can change, and that wrongful policies such as military occupation can — and will — end.
Our values unify us more than we are divided by nation, culture, ethnicity, religion, language or politics. Those distinction don’t scare us – they enrich us.
I couldn’t help but respond:
Dahlia
Your cousin asked the right question. I say the same thing but with different words. I would rather fight for Jewish rights than Palestinian rights. Not so with you.
You failed miserably to answer her very legitimate question. You say, the real question is “Who is our people.? What nonsense. Jews are our people. Need you ask?
We Jews are constantly being beleaguered by left wing media, the EU, the UN all of whom care nothing for the truth and base their condemnation of Jews, on lies and misinformation. Just as happened in the thirties. The same goes for the Obama Administration.
Speaking for myself, my first duty to to stand up for my fellow Jews and Israel, rather than to stand up for our sworn enemies, you know, the Palestinians.
Secondly, I believe that Jews have the best legal title to Judea and Samaria and the Palestinians are not entitled to a state at all and certainly not on the ’67 lines. If they want a state they have to negotiate for it. That’s what Oslo provides. They are the masters of their own destiny. It is within their hands to get a state if only they compromise their demands.
The choice is theirs not ours.
I would be interested to hear why you think they are entitled to a state on the ’67 lines or any lines for that matter. In the meantime I will fight to preserve our rights to the land.
In my opinion, by doing so, I am taking the high road whereas you, by fighting against Jewish rights and interests, are taking the low road.
SHANA TOVA.
Dahlia Scheindlins colleagues, whom she used as “credible” witnesses and sources, appear once more to have found themselves in the middle of a pallywood production attempting with amnesty international to set up IDF soldiers and frame them. Muslim women sent to stab IDF soldiers as suicide martyrs who dont stop and provoke their own shooting. This is what the Dahlia Scheindlins associate with.
None of these groups and witnesses are credible. They have been prior involved in fraudulent fabrications. they should be banned from Israel and their statements should be legally and permanently disallowed in any israeli court.
Muslim women have done the same over and over and not one shred of risk should be taken on by soldiers who are the sons and daughters of Israelis and not the enemy who daily attempts to kill Jews. They should be allowed to immediately shoot dead any enemy who disobeys orders to stop. What if she had a bomb? Youth against Settlements appears to be popping up at every incredulous provocation… I wonder what story Scheindlin is spinning now on the basis of all these biased and suspiciously involved sources?
More on the filthy blood libels of Israeli leftist Jews spreading their virus throughout the globe…. dead Jews are the result of these Israeli leftists. Now they brainwash 3rd grade children in foreign lands to prime them with hate. (see original post above) This is how Israeli leftists collude with arabs and anti semites to spread hatred of Israel and Jews throughout the world. This is not, as this page article suggests, about aiding non jews…. it is about defaming, libeling and delegitimizing Jews in Israel and globally through the proxy Israel
Jews in europe should seek out and buy west bank labeled products, especially Jewish businesses. Jews outside of europe should stop buying eu products, especially Jewish businesses.
In america, with no west bank labeling we can only buy from west bank producers if they advertise they are west bank or YS so that Jews can specifically support those producers.
Jews should try in the US to sue to block eu imports on the basis that they are defacto discriminating Israel through the labeling and violating US boycott laws. We should try and make west bank producers get rich to encourage more buyers of Israeli products to buy west bank.
@ bernard ross:
Perhaps if there is no one doing it already, we can start buying all their products right here in America. I know several businesses which want to explore the possibility of buying directly from the West Bank.
Israeli products keep coming in without any problem. Even in non Jewish stores you can find them.
Whole Foods was boycotting Israeli products and they are going bankrupt or perhaps reorganizing. The same results.
On my part I am going to do more than I can to make sure the anti-Semites get an apoplexy.
watch BB to see what he will do… he appears unaware with no plans which indicates to me that he may be in league with their plan as a way of making it look like external pressure that he will appear to fight with no actual effect. If he merely appears to react as if it is all new to him that is the indication of his complicity. In that case he will invite Herzog in to deal in a “unity” gov to deal with the euro threat. both will use the ‘threat” to enter a unity gov.
Here are my steps:
first, Israel should overtly and covertly do everything possible to thwart the euros. Support every conflict against europe to tie it up in its own troubles. facilitate muslim immigration of muslim terrorists to europe, sabotage euro energy sources where possible, but most importantly ban all euro presence in YS and declare it a military zone off limits to all foreigners. tear down all their illegal pal structures. Close down all their offices in YS. Declare their diplomats persona non grata for meddling in internal affairs.
Get hamas or dahlan in the west bank to wreak havoc and bring down abbas… and/or insert like the russians in donetsk masked street gangs to destabilize fatah. bring fire to the PA as they instigate in Israel. create a lynch mob atmosphere agianst abbas and his thieving sons.
seek to aid russia in its stranglehold on euro energy, europe must be seen to be the enemy as it is they who incite and fund the arabs, it is they who at every turn take up the arab banner against the Jews.
Ted Belman Said:
Personally, I consider it ludicrous for jews to refer to agreements and laws which have been applied discriminatorily against Jews and breached by the parties to the agreements. The LON mandate agreements, the GC, Oslo… in my view they are all irrelevant because the mandate was swindled by the British trustee and subsequently breached by its euro signatories, the GC was not applied to Jews expelled from arab nations, the jordan british occupation nor the crimes of war of the muslim terrorists of gaza and hezbullah and oslo has been breached in so many ways its absurd to discuss. The only de facto operating system is that which the GOI decides to do. the same is true of the international orgs eg the UN and the ICC. Its all irrelevant except as a game of charades. There is a valid legal, moral, historical and practical argument for anything Israel and the Jews seek to do. In my opinion the “pals” should only get consideration based on their performance in the same way that criminals and lunatics are released from incarceration and supervision in all civilized societies. Furthermore, there should be immediate deportation of all PLO families who were allowed in under Oslo as they have killed Oslo. All rioters and anti semites should be deported anywhere convenient, the GC was not applied to expelled Jews so any GC arguments should be ignored. There is no valid legal argument which results in Jews keeping jew killers in their home or giving them the Jewish home because the Jew killers cannot live in peace. All such arguments are as valid as the laws of segregation which were for decades upheld by the US supreme court.
Ted Belman Said:
LOL, the shoe drops….. a “jew” paid to spread libel about Israel which ultimately ends with dead Jewsih children in france and revenge burned israelis. that’s my perspective and opinion.
Ted Belman Said:
I she were in good faith, and a Jew, she would be talking about them teaching their children in their schools and mosques that Jews are sons of apes and pigs. Instead she seeks sympathy and support for such lunatics.
If she were in good faith she would not spread lies about Jews and settlers which originate from tainted sources of those who believe that Jews are sons of apes and pigs.
All of your grasping at straws to showcase her beliefs merely showcases the rationalizations and lies which are the fig leaf for those “beliefs”.
Israel and the Jews have no obligations or responsibility to a collective of people who teach their children that Jews are sons of apes and pigs and have through the last decades of interaction, have beyond any reasonable doubt, proved that they reject peaceful coexistence with Jews. I have NEVER in all the decades of my 70+ years witnessed a single case of the so called pals sincerely demonstrating through action and behavior an optimism and desire to live with Jews…. I have repeatedly been shown the opposite.
It is ludicrous to cite as an excuse for her behavior the GC as if it is law in isolation, without citing all the treaties which recognized the Jewish connection to its homeland and the need and agreement to facilitate and encourage the settlement of Jews in the mandate territory…. YS cannot be excluded and if scheindlin believes that she has any right to live in any part of Israel without either the historical right or the legal right then she is delusional. The fact that she is a citizen of tel aviv, perhaps even born there gives her no more right to live in Israel than the white settlers of zimbabwe who were sent packing with nary a give a crap from anyone. Without the historical and legal rights schendlin should pack up and return to poland if she has any moral character. She should give her property to the pals and get out immediately. The same historical rights which apply to the citizens of tel aviv apply to jews settling in YS. without those rights they should return to poland. What right does scheindlin claim for her squatting in tel aviv? The only right she can claim is that she happens to be there right now, or was born there, but the white farmers of zimbabwe were there for hundreds of years.
Furthermore, if she wants her leftist Israel to withdraw from YS so that she can be protected in her tel avivv squat in the hope that the arabs will be satisfied, she is not only delusional but a self serving fake.
If the leftist state of Israel, at the prodding of its schendlins continue to obstruct Jewish settlement in YS it is performing exactly as did the mandate and jordan occupation. such leftists who occupy YS should as part of their occupation administration observe the international and moral laws to settle diaspora jews in ys even if leftist israel wishes to withdraw.. In fact there should be an affirmative action program to quickly and massively do it in order to make up for the sheinlins past obstruction. YS does not belong to leftist Israel but to the body of the world Jewish diaspora to whom it was internationally agreed to be legally settled. Neither the evil interests of Jordan and the swindling British mandate, nor the self serving immoral interests of leftist Jews in Israel should in any way obstruct or cancel the legal rights of world jews to settle in the mandate territory. The tel aviv leftist squatters have got for themselves and now seek to give what is not theirs to give to the muslims for their own convenience…. such folk are without morals.
In my response to Scheindlin, I overlooked this distinction she makes.
So while she acknowledges that the Jewish community can look out for Jews, she insists that Israel, the state, must look after all the people it “governs”, including those “ruled by it”. I think she is intending to included the Arabs living in the territories as persons Israel is responsible for. But what does that responsibility entail. Is it the same as Israel’s responsibility for Arab citizens or residents of Israel? She doesn’t say. Nor does she venture an opinion, at least in this email, about how we are shirking our responsibilities. I believe that +972 articles do not properly outline such responsibility but nevertheless take great pains to show how we fall short.
No doubt she believes that the humanitarian provisions of the FGC apply. In my experience the left misinterprets its provisions in a way which places Israel in the wrong. As a case in point, the left and I am sure this includes +972 believe the provisions make the settlements illegal. The Israel right believes that the FGC does not make the settlements illegal. So what then is the responsibility of Israel for all its “people” including settlers. Can Israel deny the rights of the settlers to their homes or at least to their day in court. Obviously, in practice, a fair minded state would not be partial to any of its people. Yet the left and +972 constantly deny the rights of Jews in J&S.
Finally, what is always forgotten was that the Oslo Accords superseded the FGC and is very specific as to what the responsibilities of the Jews are and the Arabs are. To consider that residents of J&S are “ruled by” Israel is totally wrong. In fact we have an agreement like a constitution, delineating responsibilities. They are no more and they are no less. The Arabs rule themselves.
If Scheindlin was in good faith, she would insist on the Oslo Accords being upheld by both sides. But she doesn’t.
By the way +972 is a big recipient of much money from the NIF and from various EU groups.
I hate to give this despicable being publicity but this will show israpundits how such people rationalize their responsibility for the murder of Jews incited by their actions.
sorry Ted, it is worse. Schneidlin, in my opinion, fights AGAINST Jews… against Jewish settlers
folks like this who seek acceptance from the enemies of Israel do not realize that if YS is illegitimate for Jews then Tel Aviv is even more so… she may be part of that movement, intentionally or not, which seeks to end a jewish homeland and seeks to send the “foreign euro jews” back to poland….. and in the logic of these leftists and pals they would be right. think of zimbabwe who after 300 years sent their white farmers packing. Its the same argument to send her packing and notice that no one gave a crap about the white settlers, and they were euro christians.
These folks who intend to feed other jews to the crocodile hoping they will be spared will end in deep doo doo. first of all the world is tiring of a dis-unified israel whose jews contradict each other… in such a case it is logical to go with the narrative where both enemies of the Jews and Israeli jews agree… that scenario has arrived. Later, and too late, the leftist jew colluders who themselves get caught in the damage will regret what they did, but it will be too late. the same happened with the 60’s jew progressives who were betrayed by the blacks…. luckily for them they were in the US and not in a country they destroyed and gave to the enemy.
her resume… all the connections which indicate the international network which colludes and supports the ongoing attacks on Israel and Jews. Where does her funding come from, is it from foreign govs, foreign ngo’s, BDS churches, the saudi foundations, clinton, carter…… ?
In my opinion such Jews are the lowest of the low, like soros who even as a child was already confiscating jewish properties for nazis and now stalks the Jews and Israel wherever he can with his so called Leftist foundations. Career, money, acceptance within the “academic” circles are all carrots for such folks.
bernard ross Said:
Note how Schneilin has used yellow journalism to support her agenda but has no credible basis in fact. Can one say that this is unintentional and merely ignorance…. I cannot. I see an orchestrated intentional MO to spread incitement against settlers. She implies that the victims in Duma resulted from the conflict between arabs and Jews and arabs and settlers but all the credible evidence points toward it being an arab perpetrated arson and murder possibly based on a family feud or possibly a false flag attempt at inciting the murder of Jews. One thing is certain, that no credible evidence has been presented which links jews to the crime and every circumstance of location, prior nearby past arab false flags, security tapes wiped clean by duma arabs, etc points elsewhere.
It is my view that folks like schneidlin should be held responsible for the results of their work…. if anyone should be incarcerated under the new incitement detention laws it should be those leftist Israelis who are causing the burnings and murders of Jews worldwide, who are causing the brainwashing of foreign 3rd grade children to hate Jews, who will be responsible for future pogroms against jews in the diaspora and Israel…. it is these medieval blood libeling kapo jews who should be rounded up and incarcerated for incitement.
This is for all you dirty Zionists out there:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbrahDYDWSA
bernard ross Said:
In other words the source of these accusations against masked men being settlers comes from “palestinian activists”. Are these the same activists who spread the libel of the Jenin massacre, or the same pallywood activists who fabricated the al dura libels, or perhaps the ones in gaza who forgot to mention the rockets fired from beside hotels and schools. When an Israeli Jew uses such sources we cannot excuse her for ignorance as she must be aware of the immense credibility gap of palestinian activists. Therefore i believe that her blaming of settlers without evidence, and her use of obviously incredulous and biased sources, is intentional and is intended to incite delegitimizaiton and violence against settlers. In that regard she is in good company with yaalon and rivlin who also incited a lynch mob against settlers without evidence and used the cover to place jews in detention causing the revenge burning of Israelis.
and how did YSM come to be filming there and catch an attack by 4 masked man claimed by pals and schneidlin to be Jewish settlers? This is reminiscent of the same tamami serial pallywood provocateurs who had a film crew present to film their daughter provoking Israeli soldiers intending to falsely incite anger and pogrom against Jews worldwide like the Al dura lies. Is schneidlin part of this international network of Israeli libelers like Ariel gold who brought tamimi to brainwash 3rd grade children in an elementary school in Ithaca NY with the current medieval blood libels against Israel. Is schneidlin saying she is unaware of the fraudulent prefabricated provocations of the tamimi family? Is she unaware of the prefabrications of anti settler and anti jew orgs arriving with camera crews to film prefabricated provocations….. did she do any due diligence on her article purporting to be factual concerning these relevant issues or is she part of the intentional frauds?
In other words, on the basis of usually fake claims of palestinian activists saying the masked men were settlers and the assertions of an anti settler org video which only showed masked men, SHE, Shneidlin wants settlers arrested and probably wants them incarcerated under the law brought out by Duma. Interestingly the only evidence in Duma against Jews was also from pals in duma and during the search for phantom settlers the security tapes in Duma were wiped clean by the arabs. to me it appears that Schneidlin seeks to incite against settlers and incarcerate them without evidence on the basis of testimony from members of collectives who are transparently out to get settlers and appear to have arrived to set up this prefabrication.
really Schneidlin? Quoting a guy who travels internationally to spread libels against Israel and Jews as part of the so called “peace” network whose only purpose is the destruction of Israel?
The greatest vehicle and tool for europe lynch mobbing of Israel and the diaspora Jews is facilitated and carried like a virus by Israel leftist Jews similar to Dahlia Scheindlin who features in this article here by Ted. The BDS crowd, the muslims who kill Jewish children in france, those that revenge burned the Israelis for the false accusation of the Duma arson, those israeli babies stoned to death… all those begin with the lies and libels spread by israeli Jewish leftists. Surely these lying israeli leftists who collaborate with pallywood fake productions are as guilty as those who stoned the Jewish babies and revenge burned the Israelis. Whether Jews are slaughtered in europe or israel it is the Israeli Jewish leftists who should be brought to justice just as we would a medieval blood libelist or an adolf hitler before he had the power to implement his lies. we know that screaming fire in a crowded theater is a crime but this is much worse because the result is intentionally orchestrated by lunatic Jews who full well know that the libels they spread are lies.
Here is an example of 3rd grade schoolchildren in the small town of Ithaca NY being brainwashed by serial muslim provocateurs and liars from the west bank and how the Jewish leftist arranged for this brainwashing to occur from Israel. The result will be the intentional brainwashing of those children to hate Jews and to beleive all the evil lies about Israel and the Jews. In my opinion these blood libel incitements originate with the dahlia scheindlin’s of Israel. In the article we can see how the tamimi family is a fraud and a family of terrorists and yet the Israeli Jews who support this arrange for these inciters of pogroms against the Jews through their international leftist global connections.
I believe, that in the future, we will see many more dead jews in the diaspora and in Israel as a result of the lies spread by Israeli leftist Jews.
I have read some of Scheinlins articles and observe what is in my opinion intentional fraud and misrepresentation of facts in order to incite opinion against settlers.
The difference being that Nicholson was a fanatic possessing many admirable qualities, such as extraordinary courage and unyielding commitment to principle. By contrast, the Ham Sandwiches With Jewish Surnames whom you reference are cravenly self-serving amoral filth.
@ adamdalgliesh:
Right on.
Bravo, Ted Belman! These traitors always adopt such a high-minded, moralistic tone while they betyray their own people into the hands of vicious ,barbaric aggressors. They remind me of Pierre Boulle’s character Colonel Nicholson, in The Bridge Over the River Kwai, who feels himself very virtuous while giving aid and comfort to the Japanes in World War II, or to the public prosecutor in another Boulle novel, The Face of a Hero, who sees himself as very virtuous and brave even as he prosecutes a man he knows is innocent. Evildoers who not only pose like angels of light, but actually believe they are angels of light, are the very worst specimens of humanity.
Correction Ted, you should have said, “If they want a THIRD state, they can go to h*ll or to their state in Jordan, but just get the f#$#k off OUR land”.
Parenthetically, the Muzzies are evil, but not nearly as evil as the infidels who appease them: