T. Belman. A leading influential Jew in Toronto sent me this article with approval: Navigating Existential Divides by Yossi Klein Halevi. I referred him to Isi Liebler’s excellent article, Candidly Speaking: American Jewish leaders fail to respond to Obama’s threats and included this comment:
You (he and Halevi) both raise the issue of the occupation and agreed to the necessity of a Palestinian state in the future but not now. Allow me to comment.
Certainly not now and probably not ever because the PA won’t agree to a deal . That’s not what they want. They want all of Israel.
Secondly, the deal that Obama and the EU are pushing for is more dangerous to us than the occupation. To use the parlance of the Iran deal, a bad deal is worse than no deal.
I support a two-state solution but not the one being forced on us. It is too one sided. It is not a negotiated solution where there is give and take. It is all dictat.
Because the world is not willing to leave the solution to negotiations and because it doesn’t hold the PA accountable and is constantly providing a safety net for it, they are leaving Israel no other choice but to reject what is offered and think of alternate solutions.
The problem is not our rejection but with what is being offered. In the past I have written “make me a better offer”. The point being that the world if they want a solution they should negotiate a better deal with Israel and then force the PA to accept it.
Instead they are trying to force Israel to accept a deal that neither the PA nor Israel wants.
It’s tough love that is trying to get Israel to implement what it thinks Netanyahu promised.
Everyone is coming up with different theories and cures for the Boycott-Divest-Sanction (BDS) movement against Israel, and everyone ignores the simple truth staring them in the face: The so-called “Two-State Solution” is the sole cause of the BDS movement. Until the Israeli government exposes the “Two-State Solution” as a charade and a fraud, the Israeli government’s de jure endorsement of a “Two-State Solution” will continue to fuel the BDS movement.
Why? Because in most people’s minds, the mere invocation of the “Two-State Solution” for Judea and Samaria is simply a Palestinian State on the ‘West Bank’ just like the Israeli state that exists in pre-1967 Israel. The world completely glosses over, doesn’t understand, or ignores all the Israeli “buts,” concerns, and caveats. The world just asks: Why has it taken Israel 22 years since the Oslo “Peace” Accords to create a simple Palestinian state on the land taken by Israel in the 1967 War? To the world, “Two-States” sounds so simple” and easy to do, so it must be Israel’s fault that it hasn’t given up the land already. After all, Israelis are the ones “holding” the land they have already agreed to give up in the first place.
To make matters worse, PM Netanyahu publicly endorses the Two-State Solution. Therefore, it appears to the world that even he wants Two-States, so the world merely wants to help and “tough love” him into doing what he really wants to do anyway. They believe that they are BDSing Bibi into creating his own self-endorsed demilitarized PA State. Does the world understand that a “Demilitarized ‘West Bank’ State” is an oxymoron? No. The truth is nobody in the world cares if the Peace Process is a fraud. Bibi said he wants a “Two-State” Solution and how can you be more Israeli than Bibi.
They believe that they are BDSing Bibi into creating his own self-endorsed demilitarized PA State.
Does the world understand the caveats of Netanyahu’s Two-State Solution? No, it does not.
Obama himself recently stated on Israel’s Channel 2 TV station, that Netanyahu has “so many caveats, so many conditions, [to his Two-State Solution] that it is not realistic to think that those conditions would be met any time in the near future.”
Does the world understand Netanyahu’s PA state doesn’t have its own sovereign airspace? Its own sovereign electromagnetic spectrum? Its own sovereign water supply with unlimited water and mineral drilling rights? Its own sovereign Army? No, to all of them. The world has no idea, and will never have any idea, what Netanyahu is talking about because they heard him say “Twp-States” is ok, and that’s all they will ever hear.
In answer to Obama, Netanyahu recently stated “This is real. How do you prevent tunnels from being dug from Qalqilya to Kfar Saba? … Today, the problem in Gaza is not the smuggling of weapons… There isn’t much of that. The problem is self-production [of weapons] in Gaza. … This doesn’t happen in Ramallah, because, ultimately, Israeli security forces are the main avenue of defense. The … demilitarization of Judea and Samaria does not go without saying. We must ensure there is a lasting security regime that provides answers to these problems, based on the premise that the region remains stable.” So the danger is not the weapons smuggling into Judea and Samaria but now also, the weapons productionthere. How can Israel possibly stop weapons production in the ‘West Bank’ if Israel is not fully in control? It can’t.
In fact, the real deal is that the “Demilitarized State” Netanyahu is describing is what the Palestinian Arabs already have now. Netanyahu isn’t giving them anything they don’t already have. Does he really think the Palestinians are such stupid rug merchants that he can sell them a rug they already possess?
Then we have the Israeli “left”, the political and military elites. Their narrative of a Two-State Solution further insures BDS total “kusher-kusher” (translation: meat-meat, alluding to the fraudulent signs once placed in non-kosher Jewish-owned butcher shop windows to mislead customers into thinking that the signs said “buser kusher” – kosher meat – as the Hebrew letter for b ‘?’ and the letter k ‘?’ look almost the same.) legitimacy.
For how can you be anti-Semitic if Livni also says Israel is an ‘Apartheid State”? The Israeli leftist politicians and generals have convinced the world that only Israel stands in the way of a two-State Solution and “World Peace.” These Jewish messianics say we don’t even need the Palestinian Arabs to agree to a peace deal, Israel can simply leave unilaterally. Ehud Barak and Amos Yadlin, two world-respected Israel generals, tell the BDSers that Israel can unilaterally make a Two-State happen. And that it’s as easy as snapping your fingers.
What American college kid can defend himself against a BDSer who is quoting Yadlin and Ehud Barak, a former Israeli Prime Minister, a former Chief of Staff, and a former Defense Minister, who say Israel can unilaterally withdraw from Judea and Samaria and unilaterally create a PA State without anything from the other side? No Israel advocate can cogently explain why a BDS boycott shouldn’t be imposed on Israel for being the sole obstruction to “Peace.”
Finally, does anybody in the world even know exactly where the “Green Line/1967 armistice line” is? No, nobody has the slightest clue what Netanyahu is talking about when he says he doesn’t want the ‘West Bank’ to turn into Gaza Rocket State either. Why? If the world has no idea about the distances the rockets fired from Gaza reach, and no idea where the ‘West Bank’ is, then nobody, but nobody, has the slightest idea of what Netanyahu is talking about when he says the West Bank will become another Gaza Rocket State.
The Two-State Solution and the BDS movement are genetically equal. Both are predicated on the general public’s lack of knowledge and basic curiosity.
@ NormanF: In Oslo the PLO agreed to a demilitarized entity.
Bibi was arm twisted by Obama to agree to a two state solution so he came up with what he believes Israel could live with. This could be a state in the sense of San Marino and even more than Hong Kong.
The trouble with Israel selling anything to the world it does not have a unified position. Every Israeli politician has a different position.
The Pals have two positions. Abbas position we want 67 lines and right of return (yes this is a trojan horse). Abbas position in Arabic admits that they want all of Israel.
Hamas position we want from the river to the sea an Islamic State.
Much of the world only hears Abbas position in English.
Israel needs an Israeli position articulated.
Ted Belman Said:
Telling the Palestinian Arabs they can have a state but not really have a state is lying to them and to the world. What Netanyahu really wants to offer them is autonomy-plus but saying it doesn’t sound politically correct so he misleads people into believing both the Arabs and the Jews mean the same thing. Not quite.
The Arabs would be happy to accept a state as placeholder for destroying Israel. For them its a Trojan Horse not a prescription to end the conflict.
Israeli two staters are well aware their scheme is as practical and politically realistic as the prospect pigs can fly.
And its like trying to make a cheeseburger kosher. Good luck with it.
The two state paradigm is a formula for war from less desirable positions for Israel defensively. Any withdrawal of the IDF from J/S will be a security nightmare for Israel.
The most that can be offered the Palestinians is demilitarized autonomy in Areas A/B. This they are not willing to accept. This is what Israel could offer and reference it as the Palestinian San Marino Solution and not as Bennett’s proposal to use it as better selling approach.
No Jew or Arab would need to move from their home if they are legally residing in it.
Israel should say we are willing offer the Palestinians a San Marino type State. This will allow Israel defense (just as today) and Palestinians the trappings of statehood short of military.
This is the only thing short of moving Palestinians to other locations which I do not believe is happening.
I believe when I asked for a better offer I was speaking for the majority of Israelis. Israelis want to be separated from the 1.8 million Arabs in J&S but not at the cost of accepting what is on offer.