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THIS INTERVIEW IS FASCINATING. BENNETT IS OUTSTANDING.
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no to nuclear Iran, no to two-state solution, no to bi-national state
no to nuclear Iran, no to two-state solution, no to bi-national state
yamit82 Said:
LOL
Felix Quigley Said:
Aready answered. I will answer your latest question here after you answer the ones I posed to you. try to focus and read more carefully …. Perhaps if you lose your wanking enthusiasm with the phrase STFU you will have energy to concentrate and focus on the points.
@ honeybee:
OK 🙁
yamit82 Said:
You should pluralize, yawls !!!!!!!!!!
honeybee Said:
That should be good news for yawl, you wanted rain!!!! 😉
Ca is sinking with with all their unexpected rain. 🙂
@ mar55:
Unusually warm here, but awaiting the storm coming in from CA.
@ honeybee:
Thank you honeybee. I know this kind of internationalist.
He does not have feelings for Israel. Trying to take advantage of the situation to propagate his bankrupted ideology. Happiness is sunshine in Israel. Freezing temperatures here and snowed yesterday. Luckily did not accumulate.
I can’t answer Felix because every post is put in moderation to him
Felix Quigley Said:
He reminds too much of Trotsky!!!
@ bernard ross:
@ yamit82:
Please answer the child before he gets a tantrum. He cannot stand being ignored.
@ SHmuel HaLevi 2:
Thank you SHmuel HaLevi. I usually do not engage people like him because is useless to talk to an ideologue. However, if you look at comment 24 I directed my comments to yamit82 and Bernard Ross. In comment 25 the “imberbe” had the audacity to treat me condescendingly and, to patronize me. When they cannot answer logically they resort to the insult and demagoguery. Tactics taught by
by the big kahunas to their communist in training.
Trying to discredit the opponent. You can observe the same tactics being used here by the so called Democratic Party of the US. The same tactics used by Obama and his friends. All Alynsky followers. An example is Argentina. Before World War II. It was an immensely rich country and an exporter. All the troubles began when the Reds showed their noses. Same with Venezuela, and Cuba among others.
Another tactic is when you show indisputable truth about a subject. “Oh, I know of a case…” bla,bla,bla…They always use platitudes and the case mentioned is an invention meant to discredit or counter your argument.
I do not have to say anymore because you know the script.
BTW I’m 75 and still drive about 6 hours (less with traffic) to see my grandchildren. More than some young people can do.
Yamit
It is also important to articulate precisely WHY you do not TRUST Bennett t
B Ross read my comment .19 and answer please. Your c 21 is an evasion, a horror really. What is YOUR programme you suggest it is JUST elect Bennett???
@ mar55:
They are trained to ride over the bodies of those they intentionally betray to death. Here we have the “peace industry” which is led by Peres and other renegades who has intentionally caused immense damage for which the criminals are still immune. But not for long…
It serves no purpose to engage in any conversation with that element. I do not even remotely intend to do that.
@ Felix Quigley:
Mr. Quigley it is obvious you are quite wet behind your ears. You are a Trotskyite who propagates a doctrine which it has been shown to be bankrupt. You do not know anything about your subject child.
Lev Davidovich Bronshtein; was a theorist who like all Bolsheviks caused lots of pain with his theoretical doctrine. Promoting division of classes is not different than promoting envy. Because you are an ideologist. You would love Israel getting involved supporting all these countries which have finally started to flourish in a limited way but nevertheless flourished. You want them to become adherents to a socialists (communist) system with Israel help, of course.
When Israel was young and poor. With only a small chance for survival people like you never came to help. It was because our faith, tenacity and very hard work Israel has become a beacon to the world. Part of this world in which people like you have become envious of our success.
You have come here to tell Israelis what to do. No thank you. Israel success your ilk should emulate. It is a vast subject for
Your hero during the Russian Revolution and Civil War was a people’s killer. A thug. A member of the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party. Still a thug.
You, should take your own advise and button your lips. By any measure you are an ignoramus. Anyone who would promote a bankrupted ideology without having lived in a communist, oh, I forgot you call them Socialist countries should live in one as a regular citizen without any visitor’s or alien privileges. After a year living as a regular Joe in such a society then, you can opine. Every country that have adopted your shitty doctrine is in poverty and absolute misery. Your doctrine enslave people and the only thing that grows is misery. Make its citizens work without any benefits for the society where they live or the world..
I know about Trotsky more than you will ever learn. I know everything that matters about him. Have studied the issue and, is still a lot of BS. Take your own advise and STFU! Live it and then talk.
An Irish ignoramus belongs in the same pile of horse manure as Bene. Find a job and go to work if you are capable.
Ted Belman: I have been trying to post an answer to Quigley.
For some reason the system is not taking my answer. I have posted it several times and it does not take it. I tried then in Chit Chat and neither was successful. Please let me know why? I’m registered as far as I know. Thank you.
@ yamit82:
I agree with most of what you said but he has clearly spoke for at least annexing all of C and for more than BB who says almost nothing and does even less. as you say, there is noone else who is in any position to influence things fuurther in the direction desired, however he could be another dud once in the seat of power. he did say that there is a 100 times difference between being in cabinet and being PM so if he changes his mind later he can refer back to that statement. He does not appear to seek being PM. If he can even be more forceful diplomatically in defending Jewish settlement, informing Jews as to the facts, etc. it would be an improvement.
Felix Quigley Said:
absolute rubbish, prove it. I answer your questions that you put to the forum first as to why we thought Bennett did certain things. dont ask questions if you dont seek answers.
Felix Quigley Said:
Publicity was the answer I gave to your question as to why bennett spoke with Indyk. Not ephemeral but important to disseminating his platform. however, people have different opinions, you should expect that on a public forum.
Felix Quigley Said:
you obviously missed the whole purpose of my explanation and the reasoning behid the interview. Sherman is NOT running for election and Benett is. Sherman is given many opportunities here regularly published. DUH, its about electioneering and putting ones platform to the public, its not rocket science but you appear to not comprehend.
Felix Quigley Said:
I dealt substantively with both your questions and opinions, speaking to the points…but apparently you are unable to reply to the questions I put to you and all you are able to come up with is this:
Felix Quigley Said:
you behave like a pubescent boy who just discovered wanking and cant stop doing it.
@ Felix Quigley:
Is this the manner of intelligence we are to expect from the adherents of Trotsky?????
http://forward.com/articles/210269/what-would-uncle-trotsky-say/?p=1
@ mar55:
@ bernard ross:
@ Felix Quigley:
I see Bennett as a newer version of BB. I do suspect he will disappoint just like BB and those before him but from a practical POV there isn’t anyone else yet who comes close to being a leader I can support with few reservations; till then I support him, I don’t trust him and have low expectations but there are no other viable choices for me to support.
Felix Quigley Said:
Mar 55 is a woman of experienced intelligence, so much so, that she does not put any credence in long DEAD communist con men.
I do not know Bene but do know it is a distraction. i find that people on this site are no longer discussing in an honest way. For example Ross slices up my writing in a very dishonest way such as taking part of a sentence when the whole gives a different or vitally fuller information. This is dangerous. You can make a case for discussing with Indyk true but not for publicity. Publicity is ephemeral.I think there are bigger issues involved with Bennett. Yet Ross takes this aspect of what I wrote (Indyk) and builds it up in a way I never meant. There are more important things re Bennett. He does not merit the big play that Ted has given him. I think that Sharman is far more acute because he has spotted this weakness in Bennett and Glick that you cannot argue against and nobody has. Not only does it prolong the problem (this section C thing) but arguably makes it worse by creating a massive border to patrol. Just from listening to the first half of this tape there are massive divisions between Sharman and Bennett and I agree with Sharman and I must point out Sharman has no agreement with “Trotskyism” but we agree on certain important things. I broke off before the questions but the thing that got me about Bennett was the last thing and that was when the issue of the Alliance with America came up. It is on the basis of that latter that I think he may betray even faster than did Begin. My opinión. Deal with my opinions, do not introduce diversions or else STFU my new favourite Word so Handy to write eh!
Mar55 you are possibly quite mature in years. You had a job and an expertise. i would not try to tell you about your expertise. So even at this late stage in your life do learn to button your lip when you know nothing at all about Trotsky or anything to do with him. Have you studied the issue. it is vast subject. So STFU!
@ yamit82:
Very good answer from you and BR. This guy is trying to set an agenda for Israel in the international arena. Forgetting that Israel priority is to set its house in order before worrying about any internationalists ideas. As you and BR said: Trotsky is dead. Communism is on the decline. Trotsky followers means anti-democratic system for Israel. In your dreams. Quigley ought to follow yamit82 advise. Go to Bene.
I watched the entire interview and Bennett was very assertive and very clear. I like the fact that he is not willing to give land away. We are not occupiers. They are occupying our land. He did stay on course when Indyk tried to deviate the conversation. I’m weary of any politicians. I like what Bennett says. Once elected will he act accordingly or as previous politicians. Will he renege on his words? I have to sit and wait. The interview was really good. I enjoyed listening to somebody with guts.
bernard ross Said:
Felix Let me introduce you to D.bene
You have a lot in common.
Felix Quigley Said:
I thought trotsky was dead, how will such a party help israel?
Felix Quigley Said:
that would be foolish politics. bennett wants to show that he is not an extremist. he wants his “practical, realistic, pragmatic” policies to be bought by the uncommitted to his left. if he allows the converstion to degenerate into an argument he would not be able to get his policies clearly set out to the public. he has been provided a platform to disclose his policies. It appears to have worked for him politically.
Felix Quigley Said:
Because he demonstrates that he and his policies are rational as opposed to the extremist label they try to give him… it appears to have worked, politically. This is the time to win power so as to effect policies, his approach is practical and makes sense. He could say everything in a blog that no one reads instead.
Felix Quigley Said:
why, indyk is a paid GCC whore..nothing is gained by using the platform for that goal…bennett seeks power and disseminating his platform is the way he sees to that goal…it appears to be working, his responses were positive.
Felix Quigley Said:
your goals are for those in power, first he must gain power.
Felix Quigley Said:
the bottom line at this time
@ Ted Belman:
Very Good idea to have Bennett and Sherman collaborate!
Hey guys go your way then. In my life have really seen it all and have seen this pattern emerging time after time.
From Derry (Burntollet Bridge) to Gush Katif but the thing joining the two was the lack of a party to lead,
So Bennett. Don’t talk to me about Bennett. He is just the latest. Have seen em all before.
Bernard – publicity (and politics) is important. So make a point of telling Indyk to get lost. Why engage with such a hostile force close to Obama? Beats me! You want publicity? Make a big splash by having Bennett tell Indyk to feck off!
Ted you are dreaming about Bennett and Sherman. The latter is more of a realist in tactics. He knows that the Bennett line which I think is close to the Caroline Glick line will create a border which is (I think he says) a thousand km in length. (WITHOUT SOLVING A THING) And that such schemes as that of Bennett are worse than doing nothing (I think I am close on that forgive me Martin if wrong) I think Ted you are again barking up the wrong tree (huge forest by now!) and I predict such a meeting will not take place because the differences with Bennett are even greater than with Bibi.
The comments above are masking a whole heap of big differences among your good selves.
You ask what would I do? Well I would do very little except that I would state, state and state again certain fundamentals.
1. Cannot live at all with the Palestinian idea of Hajj Amin el Husseini and his mentor Arafat. In whatever form.
2. Make known the history of the Palestinian Arab movement under and since Hajj Amin el Husseini
3. Emphasize continually all aspects of his role in the Holocaust
4. Point out the conformity between Islamic State (or Isis) and the Palestinian Arabs
5. Advance the idea of primacy of the national state in the world today
6. Active support for Scottish independence
7. Active support also for Ulster, Catalonian and Basque as well as Corsican and many others independence movements
8. Actively and openly arm the Kurds to the gills
9. State that it sets up an historical review as a prelude to shutting forever the mosque in Jerusalem and rebuilding The Temple of the Jews thereon
There are many other things such as dissolving the Settlers committee that sold out on Gush Katif and replacing it with a directly elected committee which is independent from the elites. But you get the idea. There are other things but it is the general spirit of independence that is important.
The most important step of all is to build the independent Trotskyist Party which is independent from all these forces and leaders like Bennett. This guy (as I said) is a Begin (Sinai) waiting to happen.
Tactics re election vote for whoever including Bennett in order to keep the Obama mob out of power. That is vote against Labour, against Livni and against Lapid in whatever way is advantageous. In that regard have no objections to voting thus for Bennett. What I do oppose is illusions.
@ yamit82:
What is remarkable is that another of the many F-35 deadly design failures is allowed to be published.
Lockheed Martin never wanted to make of the F-35 a mish mush of technologies. The Washington folk wanted to do it that way. The very nature of the radar dispersing coatings is adding to the thin skinned tanks a delta T kick. Also during VTO and landing engine thrust vectoring adds to fuel storage and processing problems.
Engine fires did not just happen.
We may HAVE to swallow a few of the duds thanks to Barak but all follow on must be cancelled.
Bear Klein Said:
He appears to be the least vague of the bunch, you can see what his platform is.
Felix Quigley Said:
what do you suggest, who do you suggest to vote for?
Felix Quigley Said:
Its called publicity….. he probably wants to show that he is not the right wing nutter that he is portrayed as, appearing realistic and practical. ever hear of politics? Most politicians will seek votes from the uncommitted trying to assuage their fears of voting for them, whether left or right…Lapid and livni portray themselves as zionists.
@ Bear Klein:I have written to my connection to Bennett and Ayelet Shaked as follows:
@ SHmuel HaLevi 2:
The Effective Way for Destructing Tunnels that the IDF has “Forgotten”
Exposed: A day before the end of Operation Protective Edge, the IDF “revealed” an effective practice for the destruction of tunnels. IsraeDefense reveals that this solution was developed 12 years ago at the request of the Ministry of Defense, yet had been forgotten over time
@ SHmuel HaLevi 2:
Fuel Temperature Can Shut Down F-35
(Source: Defense-Aerospace.com; published Dec 08, 2014)
@ Bear Klein:
We agree. Mr. Bennett is a candidate of stature. Netanyahu is in turn, a very well formed tactician in the political quagmire. Setting aside silly polls fabricated for the media to sell pseudo news, Netanyahu has trounced the wily party changer and the meandering ungraduate.
As to Minister Bennett, I find him very well formed and ready for higher office.
A combination between the two is formidable.
What Bennett conveys very clearly and in all communications is that a Palestinian State is NOT acceptable.
Since Bibi waffled on this and only maintains conditions for this state to come into existence (which I believe he does NOT actually believe will happen).
What Bennett clearly says is very important. He is changing the paradigm and point of discussion because a Palestinian is a danger to the existence of Israel.
Bennett is important for Israel! He is saying Jews are not leaving their homes anywhere and we have rights in Judah and Samaria. He has a plan which is basically to make the best of a bad situation. This is the best that can be done in the current reality according to him. This is way better than any of this illusionists who want to give up land for a piece of paper and hope the Pals will become like Canadians (perfect neighbors to the Americans.
It is very serious the response to Bennett of Ted, Ross, Yamit and Halevi. This shows the gap between blogs like Israpundit and the Trotskyist http://www.4international.me that I represent.
I call for a vote for Bennett and also for Likud om the March election, and others in the context of keeping pro-Jihadists like Livni out of power, that is keep their dangerous hands off of state power.
But having said that there is very little in what Bennett says against Indyk that makes sense to me and the first question is why debate with this guy Indyk in the first place? That in itself raises questions.
Bennett is into the old charade that if you treat your enemy very well then he or she will be very nice to you in return. Not so! If you treat em very well they will “very well” grow in strength and they will use this strength against you in the most vicious war possible.
Bennett raises the most serious problems for Israel and this is shown especially in the above guys I mentioned here on Israpundit taking a line of lying down in front of this character. He probably is worse for Israel than Netanyahu and that is saying something.
The centre of his treachery to the Jews at this time was highlighted when he said he was good friends with the American people but that good friends have disagreements. This is old tosh repeated ad absurdum.
Bennett is again sliding over the fact that the US RULING CLASSES have hatred for Jews and nothing but hatred for Jews. The ordinary American people at present support Israel. Bennett obscures the key and central contradiction which to survive Israel must highlight and work on. Bennett is a tool of US Imperialism. That will be shown as time goes on.
Very very dangerous man for Jews is Naftali Bennett because he gives an appearance of being strong but as I show above is the opposite. This guy will cave in worse than Begin did over Sinai.
Indyk is a shameless idiot.
good interview. I like the approach of not trying to achieve the typical “solutions” but instead dealing with practical realities. for those worried about the international sanctions he did not really offer any approach. Perhaps he could approach this problem like others:
SHmuel HaLevi 2 Said:
If the right refrains from attacking each other and can submit a simple message they might do what we hope for.
Obama will pull out all stips and much dinero to toppple the Likud and BB…..
I say all things considered it’s a toss up at this stage.
@ yamit82:
May I jump in?
I just now read US based evaluations of Minister Bennett’s performance at the Forum and with Indyk. Everyone is impressed.
I saw the video as well.
He is the best candidate running today as far as I can ascertain. His performance there was nothing short of terrific.
And I agree that polls today are of no consequence outside the fact that the polls show that the peace industry class has crashed.
Mr. Bennett took away their last kicks.
Yet. They own huge resources and one never knows how will they use that.
The Three Stooges are looking more and more like political ghosts. Kohalon is also fading.
@ Ted Belman:
He will and will get an extra 2-3 seats because of it. The Likud may lose even more if they push BB’s line. BB will not make 2SS a campaign issue unless he is forced to.
This is going to be the most negative campaign pre election in Israels history…
Obama will invest all he can to defeat BB.
It worked with Clinton aiding and supporting Barak against BB it might again?????
If the Likud and Bennet’s party attack each other for the votes on the right the left will win.
Polls right now are meaningless!!!!!!!
Bennett said this election is all about the choice between being strong or being weak. Yes but it is more. He also said that Netanyahu backs a Palestinian state i.e., TSS. Bennett does not. I think Bennett should make this difference a major issue.
@ Ted Belman:
I just read that Rivlin is “afraid” that people will not vote… More scaremongering by the tweet.
What I see is that people is very focused this time and is peeling off the veneer covers served by the Peresite substrate.
Former Ambassador Oren said today that the “left” crashed. Netanyahu and Bennett are mincing them all.
@ SHmuel HaLevi 2:ABSOLUTELY
Superbly done by Minister Bennett. A must see for everyone in my view.