Arabs aren’t capable of peace

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1. Common sense is uncommon even among the politicians; specially among politicians.

2. @ yamit82:
   “Gideon” was dead wrong and “Ibrahim” totally correct. All that weakness brings you is endlessly getting your asses kicked. Especially so if you are Jewish. There are those who imagine the meek shall inherit the Earth. I’ve never been one of them.

   Arnold Harris
   Mount Horeb WI

3. yamit82 Said:

   Americans fully understood how serious radical Islamists are, they would demand a more confrontational strategy

   Good post and so very true.

4. Denis MacEoin says:
   May 9, 2013 at 7:57 pm

   Bernard, those are big questions. I criticize a great deal about Islam, starting with my view as an atheist that religion should never be the basis for political engagement, warfare, or legislation. I do not believe the Qur’an is the Word of God, but if some people want to believe that I won’t hinder them. The Qur’an, like the ahadith and the works of fiqh, contains attitudes to all non-believers that makes any form of integration impossible. That is reinforced by the doctrine of al-wala’ wa’l-bara’, which forces Muslims to stay far apart from Jews and Christians, who are their inferiors. The use of the law of jihad as the basis for Islamic international law has meant that many Muslim countries are unable to engage with a modern form of international relations, notably with regard to Israel (because the law of jihad says non-Muslims must be driven off any Islamic territory that they try to rule). I find Islam unforgiving, oppressive to women, cruel to gays, unbelievably stupid in its laws commanding amputation for theft (which makes a thief less able, then unable to work). Islamic supremacism, especially when combined with Islamic totalitarianism makes the world a harder place, especially for all non-Muslims. I don’t understand why almost no-one condemns Islamic slavery (the oldest and longest form), while criticizing Western slavery alone. And why do we condemn Western imperialism while ignoring Islamic imperialism. I dislike the power exercised by the Islamic ‘ulama’ in their different forms, the Shi’i ‘ulama’ above all. I dislike the way Muslims boast about the great achievements of the faith, when the real achievements go back to the Middle Ages and there have been none since. I hate the way Muslims have become trapped in a stagnant situation that prevents them achieving innovation, liberalism, democracy, and greatness, while they pour scorn on a country like Israel that is so far ahead of them they can’t even see it. I dislike the principle that al-bid’a kufr, ‘innovation is unbelief’.

   The connection between Islam and global conflicts and violence is simple. First, there is no distinction between Islam the religion and Islam, the state and the source of legislation. Secondly, jihad is an obligation for Muslims, so long as sufficient numbers will fight in it, or an obligation on the whole community if it is at risk from attack from outside. Many Muslims interpret everything done by Israel or the West (especially the US) as aggression against Islam and respond accordingly, justifying their aggression against Jews and Christians. Even though all the empires (even the massive Portuguese one) have ended, Muslims still believe we are trying to colonize them.

   Does any of that help?

   Denis MacEoin Said:

   But I’m not willing to criticize Islam on the basis of bigotry or fantasy, and too many people on here attack it without knowing very much at all. (Your own ‘million interpretations of the Qur’an’ is an example of real ignorance or sloppy speech.) Every time we say something outright inaccurate, we hand a gift to those who defend Islam.

   yamit82 says:
   May 9, 2013 at 9:35 pm

   In the PC West generalization about Arab intellect is presumed immoral, but leftists generalize the other way in presuming Arabs to be good and smart. Generalization and arguing from absence of evidence are accepted scientific methods. I don’t care that the Arabs could have achieved decent intellectual results if they had been forced to attend universities from seventh century onwards; absent positive evidence of their achievements, it is logical to presume them stupid.

   Groups, including nations, are different from each other. Their competition fosters social evolution and progress. In the process, some groups die out. Oil purchases artificially keep the Arab Muslim hordes alive.

   Under Israels’ anti-racist law, the noted author Leon Uris if he were alive today and a citizen of Israel would be imprisoned five years for his historical novel The Haj. Recall the setting of his book: Palestine, 1937.

   @ yamit82:
   Well, I’m also a novelist (as well as an academic in Arabic, Persian and Islamic Studies), so I know a bit more than Uris. Anyone who calls the Arabs ‘stupid’ knows nothing about them. If you have ever had to work your way through a difficult text of Islamic philosophy (think Ibn al-’Arabi or Shaykh Ahmad al-Ahsa’i etc.) will know that they have the ability to think as deeply and as sharply as any Western philosopher. To suggest that any given race is ‘stupid’ is out and out racist and has no place in any serious debate. What is missing is the freedom to express oneself without outsider restriction. We have had the same problem in the West, and we have suffered. That changed for us during the Enlightenment, but the Islamic world (not just the Arabs) still has not experienced any form of enlightenment. When it started to do so, back in the early 20th century, there was great hope that they would break free from the shackles of religion and the past, but from the 1970s it all started to go back again. But if you say they are ‘stupid’ again, I’ll send you a few pages of Ibn al-’Arabi and ask you to explain them. You won’t stand a chance

5. Lessons from ‘The Haj’ (Front Page Mag)
   From Leon Uris “The Haj”

   “Every last Arab is a total prisoner of his society. The Jews will eventually have to face up to what you are dealing with here. The Arabs will never love you for what good youv’e brought them. They don’t know how to really love. But hate! Oh G-d, can they hate! And they have a deep, deep, deep resentment because you have jolted them from their delusions of grandeur and shown them for what they are a decadent, savage people controlled by a religion that has stripped them as one commands a mob of sheep. You are dealing with a mad society and youd better learn how to control it.

   At the end of the novel, Uris has an exceptional Arab, an archeologist, admit: Hate is our overpowering legacy and we have regenerated ourselves by hatred from generation to generation, century to century. The return of the Jews unleashed that hatred, exploding it wildly, aimlessly, into a massive force of self-destruction. In ten, twenty, thirty years the world of Islam will begin to consume itself in madness.

   We cannot live with ourselves; we never have. We cannot live with or accommodate the outside world; we never have. We are incapable of change.”

   Gideon: “We don’t believe in punishing an entire village for something you did not do.” Ibrahim replies, “That proves you are weak and that will be your downfall. You are crazy to extend us a mercy that you will never receive in return.”

   Worth Re-Reading
   Elites refuse to hear truth about Islamists
   https://www.israpundit.org/archives/47997
   By NEWT GINGRICH, POLITICO

   The underlying driving force behind this desperate desire to stop unpleasant questions is the elite’s fear that an honest discussion of radical Islamism will spin out of control. They fear if Americans fully understood how serious radical Islamists are, they would demand a more confrontational strategy.