Lapid is for an undivided Jerusalem and keeping settlement blocs.So are Bibi and Bennett and then some. Thus all three would be in favour of developing E1 to connect with Maaleh Adumin. Secondly they are are in favour of electoral reform and equalizing service. Kadima would have no problem with any of this. Hopefully, not only would the budget be passed arter the first round but electoral reform and service would also be passed. Then invite in the second round. Ted Belman
DEBKAfile Exclusive Report January 23, 2013, 10:15 PM
Israel politics are in for a major shakeup. New faces will dominate the next cabinet under Binyamin Netanyahu, while 52 of the 19th Knesset members are new and more youthful faces.
Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu is pondering keeping responsibility for defense while naming Yair Shamir (No. 2 in Likud’s partner Israeli Beitenu) minister for running the defense ministry, DEBKAfile discloses. This would upset outgoing Vice Prime Minister Moshe Yaalon’s expectation of defense in the post-election Netanyahu government.
Since the results of Israel’s general election of Tuesday, Jan. 22, were out, Netanyahu (whose Likud-Beitenu garnered only 31 seats) has been locked in intensive negotiations with Yair Lapid, whose party came second with a stunning 19 seats, on the shape of the next government.
They have also discussed inviting retired defense minister Ehud Barak to stay on as a non-political expert.
For now, DEBKAfile reports, Lapid who is in a position to pick and choose the cabinet post he wants, has turned down the post of finance minister for himself, while admitting to his friends that he wouldn’t say no to the foreign ministry.
Upon hearing this, ex-Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, said cynically Wednesday that the finance ministry was right down Lapid’s street in view of the strong social and economic agenda to which he committed his Future party. His party might resent his abdication of those goals, Lieberman commented.
Wednesday night, Lapid himself put paid to a chorus led by Labor’s Shelley Yacimovitch for his Future to join the left-of-center and the Arab parties to block Netanyahu’s efforts to build a coalition government.
Instead, he welcomed Binyamin Netanyahu as next prime minister. “I was glad to hear Netanyahu referring to all the things I have been aiming for,” he said to reporters. There will be no opposition bloc – certainly not with Hanan Zouabi,” said Lapid.
Netanyahu, speaking after the elections, spoke favorably of some of the objectives Lapid’s Future had set itself: Starting with averting the Iranian nuclear threat, he went on to speak of equalizing the burden between the secular and ultra-religious communities, bringing down prices, providing affordable housing and reforming the system of government.
Lapid refrained from answering when he was asked whether he would serve in the same cabinet as the ultra-religious Shas party (11 seats), which is a longstanding coalition partner of Likud and with which Netanyahu conducted separate negotiations Wednesday.
This dual track opened up the possibility of establishing a government led by Netanyahu and Lapid in two stages: In the first, this duo would be joined by the pro-settlement Jewish Home and its head, the high-tech millionaire Naftali Bennett (11) and Kadima led by Shaul Mofaz, which Wednesday night was poised to scrape past the threshold with two seats. This setup would command a slim majority of 63, enough to get the 2013-2014 state budget passed by the new Knesset. This task defeated the outgoing government because some of its provisions were unacceptable to Shas and so triggered the early election.
After that, Shas would be invited to join the government on the basis of the guidelines established in stage one, and expand its parliamentary majority to 75. With Torah Judaism (7) aboard too, the third Netanyahu government would command a comfortable 82
Bennet expects his Jewish Home party to win a twelfth seat when the army ballots are counted before official election results are released Thursday. He would be strongly in line for one of the economic portfolios in the new government, commerce and industry, for instance, or even finance.
Tzipi Livni, whose Hatenuah Party fell far short of her expectations and wound up with 6 seats, has been after Lapid to set up a joint front for the cabinet negotiations with Netanyahu. She anticipates his gaining the post of acting or vice prime minister plus a key cabinet post. She would then walk through the door to her former post as foreign minister, or so she hopes.
The Future party leader and the incoming prime minister have not commented on this plan
@ yamit82:
WHAT’S BEHIND THIS IS BIGGER than Begin and others in govt and the courts.
There is an obvious pattern behind this – a method to the madness. Lands are being taken over by squatters on both sides of the Green Line while authorities look the other way. And there is the case of eastern Jerusalem itself, right in the face of a large population of Jews, where much illegal Arab construction goes up, where terrorists run rampant on the roads with complete impunity, and where police and IDF are told not to intervene to protect Jews. It’s Arab country. What about the many instances when the IDF itself actually HELPS THE PA ARABS take over Yesha land and drive Jews away?
The effort to dismantle Israel from within and reduce it to the Tel Aviv ghetto is HUGE and involves authorities at all levels. Nationalist groups are running all over the place trying to save on plot of land, one settlement, one Jewish right at the time.
But it’s like doctors with a very sick patient, and instead of making the correct diagnosis and carrying on the correct procedure to save his life, they give him a few aspirins to alleviate his headaches. – With good reason, perhaps, because if they said what really ails the patient they would end up in jail. Or worse.
@ Canadian Otter:
BENNY BEGIN LIKE HIS DEAR PAPA IS A TRAITOR!!!!!
Supreme Court Rejects Regavim Petition
Supreme Court President Asher Grunis rejected on Friday afternoon an appeal filed by the Regavim movement, against a last-minute government plan to give away huge swaths of Negev land to Bedouin tribes.
Judge Grunis based his decision on the fact that the petition is premature because it was filed before the government made the decision on the matter. The court ruled that after the government makes its decision on the matter, an appeal against it could be filed.
What is it with these politicians? They’re itching to give Jewish land away to the Arabs. If they can’t give Yesha away yet, they allow Arabs with Israeli citizenship to build illegally all over the country and then give the land away to them, just like that.
Read further about the political trick used by government to ensure current MKs submission, and how they will tie the hands of the next government just elected.
Yamit sez:
“Begin? What was Sinai, Yamit, Ophira and billions of Dollars in infrastructure, military and civilian, oil and gas? Chopped Liver? Land for peace? that was Begin!! Arab Autonomy? That was Begin!!! Caving to Carter and Reagan in Lebanon when they had Arafat in our gun sights and let him and his murderers get away to Tunis? Iflation reaching a peak of over 400% that too was Begin. Except for the Iraqi reactor there is not much good that can be aid about Begin.
Shamir was no less a disaster. He let us become sitting ducks to Saddam’s Scuds and bowed to the Americans in not responding, His economic agenda was not much better than Begins and in the end he agreed to Madrid which laid the groundwork for Oslo and recognition of the PLO.-
That’s the Likud and leadership you admire and want replicated?”
No one is saying the Likud got everything right. But it did get certain things done: it secured Judea and Samaria, it eliminated Saddam Hussein's atom bomb threat, it ended the PLO hegemony in Lebanon and it oversaw the massive waves of aliyah from Russia and Ethiopia that strengthened the Jewish State. These very real accomplishments deserve to be mentioned. And of course there the failures that you rightly criticize, things could have been done differently, including the economic mismanagement of the mid-1980s. Every party has its good and its bad aspects. The Likud could use better leadership and the upcoming generation of party leaders show a lot of promise. This past week the voters recognized it. We should support it when it is right and speak up when it gets things wrong. If you have a better alternative, by all means, let's hear it – keeping in mind the need to ensure the national camp remains strong.
EXPULSIONS AHEAD – Giulio Meotti on upcoming expulsions at AMONA – Amona part 2
AMONA PART ONE – FLASHBACK – photos and links to videos of Israeli police brutality. Some of the Jews assaulted by police with batons and police on horseback were left permanently disabled. http://www.iris.org.il/brutality/brutality.htm
Shy Guy Said:
A leader Leads and does not say that those who don’t follow are stupid Jews!!
Maybe it’s those who credit Feiglin with leadership qualities which he has not displayed based on the evidence are the stupid ones and I am not being snarky. He either has it or not. I think by any objective standard he has had ample time and opportunity to prove he is right and he is The Guy!!!
I never said that and it’s not Feiglin or nothing and never was.
P
Feiglin was not an issue in this election and that also goes to the issue of leadership. He was hidden out of sight for the most part and did not help the Likud electoral prospects and not sure if he hurt the Likud in the eyes of some.
Not just lieberman, there were many reasons. There is no reason to reward any political party that hurt so many of their supporters over the past 4 years. Likud lost over 20% of their support in the South, Beershebam Askelon and Asdod all suffered 4 years under rocket attacks.
Don’t understand your logic. A vote for the Likud is a vote for BB and his policies. A big strong Likud is harder to usurp from within than a weak small Likud. What’s best for Feiglin and you is a smaller weaker Likud where a smaller group has a better chance to take it over.
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NormanF Said:
A vision and a plan that cannot be attained is not worth much. Whether Feiglin is honest and principled will become evident to even skeptics like me very soon. Easy to be principled with not much too lose. Let’s see how he votes when issues of principles or party loyalty are on the line.
I hope he stays with principles but we will all be watching. BB will be waiting for an excuse to eject him from the Likud.
As I understand it Bayit Ha Yehudi is aiming to broaden their political vision to become such a national party. That’s the challenge and I see no difference if that party is the Likud or Bennett or any other existing party. They say nothing works like success. He has 12 mandates to start with and could have had 2-3 more but for the Likud’s negative campaign. After 12-13 years Feiglin with the help of Katz from IA made it into the knesset. At that pace of success he might be 90 years old before he realizes his plan. Not all good ideas are realistic but even if the idea is sound I contend it won’t be Feiglin who gets to implement it. Over 60% of those who voted for Lapid were women and first time voters.
Not much ideology there if any but they voted for the picture and a pretty face over substance. Most voters will vote that way and that’s why Feiglin will never achieve his goals.
Everybody was against Oslo, and he did good in opposing it. That Feiglin I could support. I think he is tilting at windmills and if I didn’t I would support him. I don’t oppose the ideas only have no belief or confidence in Feiglin to be able to actualize them and then without destroying that which he wants to gain control over, the Likud. GOOD IDEA BUT WRONG GUY.
Begin? What was Sinai, Yamit, Ophira and billions of Dollars in infrastructure, military and civilian, oil and gas? Chopped Liver? Land for peace? that was Begin!! Arab Autonomy? That was Begin!!! Caving to Carter and Reagan in Lebanon when they had Arafat in our gun sights and let him and his murderers get away to Tunis? Iflation reaching a peak of over 400% that too was Begin. Except for the Iraqi reactor there is not much good that can be aid about Begin.
Shamir was no less a disaster. He let us become sitting ducks to Saddam’s Scuds and bowed to the Americans in not responding, His economic agenda was not much better than Begins and in the end he agreed to Madrid which laid the groundwork for Oslo and recognition of the PLO.-
That’s the Likud and leadership you admire and want replicated?
The Likud has not been an ideologically based party since Begin betrayed the Land of Israel beginning with Sinai. Shamir held steady for a while but also caved. In my opinion they are not worthy of support. The sooner they disappear from our political map and replaced the better.
@ Bear Klein:
Lapid favors withdrawl with security but Bibi and Bennett do not ALL!
Bennett will be in the coalition and he is practical but a true believer in his proposal to annex Area C. This will be very hard to achieve with Lapid in the government. Bibi should have approved the Levy report when he could of even with the Attorney General not agreeing with the timing.
Bibi, Lieberman, Lapid, Bennett will be the big decision makers in the new coalition. They will do a sharing of burden bill for military service or the government will fall apart. Lapid will have to give in making concession to the PALS for talks because Bennett and Bib will not go along with it.
Bennett will get the worst portfolio because Bibi needs to first please Lapid and Lieberman. Maybe SHAS will find a way to compromise with Lapid on a new draft law but I doubt it.
Canadian Otter Said:
1. i am glad that bb got +- the same result as lapid the great demagogue – essentially they are very close in notions of character and behaviour and “ideology” – both will end as big loosers in the history tresh
2. if benett – who actually still seems to be a child – were smart he would extort BB mercilessly since merciless extortion is the only thing BB understands, after all if BB wants to extort Bayit Yehudi and keep them out, then he gets in troubled waters and ther is no garantee he would survive. the way this little BB treats the kipot srugot is simply disgusting, he should pay for that and see who he really is: not worth being a leader in Israel!
Yamit,
He does have a vision and a plan. I think a lot of people dislike him because he is principled and honest and doesn’t speak out of both sides of his mouth as Israeli politicians typically do.
Moshe Feiglin argues that a sectoral party will never unite the country, only the Likud. I don’t think he’ll ever be Prime Minister but he’s already changed the attitude that Israel shouldn’t be proud of being a Jewish State and the only way to go forward is to make endless concessions to Israel’s enemies.
He opposed Oslo long before every one else turned against it, in Zo Arzeinu. He’s a Jewish Don Quixote but he’s not tilting at the windmills. Personally, I’d like to see the Likud be the party it was under Begin and Shamir, that knows giving up the Land Of Israel is wrong not because of the Arabs but because the Jewish people have a national right to it.
Mafdal in its various incarnations has been a here today gone tomorrow party. Don’t blame Feiglin for the fact many residents of Judea and Samaria did not vote for Likud and end up voting this time for someone else. It did nothing to help them or voters in other Likud strongholds. If the party wants to win, it must earn their votes the old-fashioned way and not simply issue press releases every election. The party can learn from its mistakes and redeem itself or there will be no results and it will not rule Israel again.
In short, the real issue is not Feiglin and never was. The real issue is the Likud’s responsibility to the national camp and the Land Of Israel. Personalities are purely secondary! Who knows, maybe they’ll figure it out after their near-death experience in this election.
yamit82 Said:
Possibly correct. If the participants don’t particpate, then it doesn’t work.
“I’m for Feiglin but I can’t vote for the Likud”. Stupid Jews.
Likudniks didn’t bolt from Feiglin. They bolted from Lieberman.
So let’s not do anything.
/sarc
It won’t last. It never does. Watch BY break up like melting ice by the next election. Fortress Likud will still be here for a long time. What Feiglin wrote a few week’s back (in Hebrew) still holds true for more than just short term.
Yes, you can abandon the Likud and try forming something externally. Eventually you might get the results we all want. But it will be much faster if everyone would hold true to their support for Manhigut’s goals, which require cleansing the Likud. People say one thing and do another.
The best of nationalist voters proclaim one thing and then do something else that will just drag things out even more. Stupid Jews applies to all sectors.
Shy Guy Said:
Fact Feiglin could not keep most of his supporters who he had sign up in the Likud to vote for him and the Likud and they mostly voted for other parties.
Fact were Feiglin to pack the likud with enough supporters to wrest control, most of the traditional Likud supporters would not walk to other parties they would leave skid marks. Lapid and Bayit Ha Yehudi are but recent reminders.
When he speaks of Jewish leadership he is saying I am the Jewish leadership and in your dreams enough Israelis will never be found to back him. Another Jewish leader maybe but not Feiglin.
In my opinion if he were sincere and a realist he would have searched nd found one with the attributes he advocates but one with enough personality and yes, charisma to ensure someone with his ideas and vision will succeed where he hasen’tand in my opinion can’t possibly. Looks to me like 90% ego at work and not the principles and ideology he claims to advocate.
If the best he can hope for is the Likud Brand without likudniks. What is he playing at 12-13 years of nidmaly?
I admit he seems to have a very small loyal following. One would think using simple reasoning that after so many years and effort on his part and a small cadre of supporters he has hardly advanced his agenda and cause perceptively. Today there is a lot of pissed off supporters of Bayit HaYehudi at him and instead of joining and strengthening their success he is marching or a better word might be spinning his wheels within the Likud where the overwhelming majority don’t want him and probably don’t even like him.
Bennett did with the Mafdal what Feiglin claims he wants to do with Likud. If Bennett is successful he will make Bayit Ha Yehudi into what your hopes for the Likud should be, a real National Party with real Jewish values. While the Likud has lost her ideology and national vision one can approach the situation in 2 ways. Attempt to rehabilitate the likud or replace them with something else.
I am for replacing the Likud. Their 20-22 mandates with all their resources and the power of being the ruling party should give hope and optimism for any serious competitor. The day of leaders like Shamir and Levi Eshkol are over.
If you don’t have a screen presence or a hook that attracts and motivates people to support you get out of politics, if you aspire to more than being a public servant legislator.
BEYOND POLITICAL GAMES – What really matters
The leaders of all major political parties are in favor of either Two States or Disengagement.
Disengagement = Terror
Annexation (or even status quo) = Israeli control, lives saved, defense money saved, PEACE – REAL PEACE.
Simple, really.
Today’s report: No Jews killed by terrorists in Yesha in 2012. Zero. None.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/164539
But your fearless leaders want to fix that by allowing the creation of a Nazi Terror state next to your major population centers. They want a Gaza on steroids in the name of… what? They haven’t specified it yet.
UNFORTUNATELY, yes, they are compatible. All three would favor disengagement. Bennett could be easily persuaded to reduce his modest vision of annexation of Area C to just the major settlements. He appears to be a flexible fellow. Whichever way you move the pieces right now, it all reeks of DISENGAGEMENT.
And by the way, Mr Lapid and fans seem to resent payments made to the Orthodox, and the “cost of settlements” (didn’t we hear that already prior to Disengagement One?). HOWEVER – he and other Disengagement and Two-State promoters do not resent one bit the GIVING AWAY of large swaths of land to the enemy, huge amounts of real estate and resources – FREE, COMPLETELY FREE…. It boggles the mind. ~~~~~ Mr Lapid and fans don’t seem to make the connection between Disengagement and the stratospheric cost of defending Israel against Gaza terror alone. ~~~~~ The cost of just missiles in the last skirmish with Gaza was NIS 100 million. To say nothing of the cost in lives and the psychological ailments suffered by those living near a terrorist enclave. ~~~ How much would it cost in money alone to defend a smaller Israel against terror coming from areas much closer to your major population centers? ~~~ How long could Israel afford that? ~~~ How would it impact the economy, that seems to have such high priority for voters? ~~~ How long would Israel last after giving up part or all of Yesha?
Cornelius Hamelberg Said:
Bennett, whom I’m no big fan of, is nevertheless not the same species as the Lapid Dodo. However, I would worry about spontaneous mutation to one extent or another.
yamit82 Said:
Child, there was an election. The goal of Manhigut is to strengthen the Likud for the purpose of going up against Netanyahu.
Think before typing.
Shy Guy Said:
Just watched Orit Struck tear Feiglin and the Likud to shreads.
Contention basically was The Likuds attacks on Bayit Yehudi drove many potential supporters to Lapid and thus weakened not only the Likud, Bayit Yehudi but the whole national camp. She accused Feiglin and other Land of Israel advocates in the Likud of doing nothing to stop those attacks and the price was paid on election day.
Feiglin’s response was he is no longer a protester and demonstrator but part of the political establishment seeking leadership not personal activism for sectoral issues but only national agendas from within the national party and not in opposition to it. .
His first retort to Stuck’s criticism was that he was not involved or responsible for the Likud’s attacks on the Bayit haYhudi party even though he agreed with her criticism that the attacks lost votes both to Likud and Bayit Yehudi and strengthened Yesh Atid. .
Conclusion is that Feiglin will do nothing to antagonize the Likud members or BB.
Birds of the same feather…
Compatable?!?!?!?!?!
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I said this yesterday on this website. I demand some credit. 🙂
I doubt the haredi parties will be asked to join at this stage. And adding Livni would offend the Likud base.
So Netanyahu is likely to sign deals with Yesh Atid, Bayit Yehudi and Kadima to give him a government of 64.