By Daniel Greenfield, FPM October 11, 2012
That sizable percent of undecided Jewish voters who broke away from Obamaappear to have made a decision.
Romney now leads Obama 44-40 among likely Jewish voters. This is a post-poll debate, so Obama’s loss there was likely a factor, but the large number of undecideds predating the debate suggest that it wasn’t so much Obama’s weak performance as it was Romney’s strong performance.
A few notes. This is a small sample size. Numbers like this may vanish just as quickly as they came, but other polls do suggest that there has been a shift. I wouldn’t bet on Romney winning the Jewish vote straight out, but he’ll probably win more of it than anyone would have expected two months ago. So I wouldn’t get too excited just yet.
Polls of likely voters often tilt Republican because the Democratic base tends to be semi-literate and can barely drag itself to the polling station without free beer and forty interpreters. This is not the case with the Jewish vote where the core of the lefty crowd is prosperous and educated. So if this is an accurate reading of the likely Jewish voter, then that’s big news.
And the defection of the Jewish vote means that Obama has lost every major religion in the country. The Protestant vote is heavily going against him and he’s hanging on to the Catholic vote by a few percent, meaningless within the margin of error. The only religion he’s decisively winning amongst is “No Religion”. I would also assume he’s romping home with the Muslim vote, but unlike Europe, that’s not too much of a factor here yet.
Pardon my lack of ecumenism. If I thought any religion other than Judaism had any validity, I would practice it.
CS:
goyim is not a bad word nor always offensive. I am one of the goyim. Not all of us goyim “worship” an idol, the Christian god. He said he wrote the word without any ill intention.
In this particular era, there is not just one Amalek that the Jewish nation must destroy. They are as nasty toward one another as they are to the Jews. So Israel should encourage them to destroy one another. In street fighting, “let’s you and him fight” is always a better battle strategy than “c’mon you bastards, we’ll take you all on and whip your asses”.
I’m not sure what HaShem had to say about this, but I learned a lot about real life in company of some tough guys in Chicago, back in my high school days.
Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
@ C.R.:
True.
maybe true but neither are the gods of the of the NT the G-d of the Tanach.
Not sure I agree with you but if so then it mirrors Judaism.
If true then it is the polar opposite of Judaism.
as for me
How do you know it was meant in a pejorative sense? 🙂
@ Emmess:
Emmess–you reason like one who cannot think critically–one cannot just say they are a thing and then they are–one must meet the narrow definition to actually be that thing; e.g., one cannot say they are a brain surgeon and be that, they cannot say they have a PhD. in languages and be that–most things in life have a narrow set of qualifications for a person to actually be that thing.
Since you brought it up out of your profound ignorance and lack of critical reasoning ability–even though many of the words are the same–the Gods of Catholicism and of Mormonism–are not the God of the Tanakh or of the Christian new testament–their beliefs are radically different than genuine Christian beliefs!
To be concise–Roman Catholicism and Mormonism–are works based religions, i.e., salvation based upon personal works–whereas genuine Christianity is salvation based upon God’s grace–not works.
Your overly simplistic reasoning “if it walks like a duck, its a Republican–does not take into account the reality–there are those who come to deceive and to steal–its time to wise up Emmess; pretending to be a thing–does not make one that thing. e.g., G.W. Bush was not a conservative Republican–but rather a Marxist globalist democrat in the guise of a conservative Republican–the republican party is full of these types.
Perjorative or not–why use the offensive goyim? as for me I never refer to Jews as Kikes.
Emmess Said:
You know that.
I know that.
Yamit knows that.
But 80% of the rest of us don’t.
There are a few blessings in Shmonah Esrei that are relevant to physical redemption from our enemies and spiritual redemption from ourselves. There’s a reason why need to to still pray for these in addition to trying to do whatever we can in spite of these past generations being smitten with the Stupid Jew Flu.
yamit82 Said:
You sound like one of those goyim (not pejorative)who claim Catholics are not Christians or Mormons are not Christians. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it’s a Republican.
@ C.R.:
And how will God save Israel? How did He save Jerusalem in the reign of King Hezekiah? By making the Jews smart and strong enough to save themselves. HaShem gives us the tools. It’s up to us to use them. Stop braying for a messiah to fight our battles; we have to be the ones to dismantle the pimple on the temple mount and disperse our enemy. The instructions are in the Torah: Destroy Amelek.
Yamit and other commenters:
Calvin Coolidge, the President of the United States who had been President Harding’s vice president in the early 1920s and who became president upon Harding’s death, was as true a Republican conservative as was ever born in the USA. A man of the least amount of talk and the most maximum of diligence in restraining government from interfering in the commerce of this great country, A son of rural Vermont, Coolidge was probably the the wittiest US president who could say the most with the least amount of verbiage:
My late father, a man of the same American generation, was like that. One day, I had been boasting to him of what I thought of my academic accomplishments. His rejoinder:
Proving that a Russian-Jewish fellow from small town Iowa wasn’t too different in temperament from a small town Vermonter who was the US president of his relatively young manhood in the early 1920s.
Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
@ yamit82:
Let’s keep it to the twentieth century–there were two I know of, Harding and Reagan–but they weren’t fully conservative Republican–so there haven’t been any genuinely fully conservative Republican presidents.
We haven’t had one yet – so far all to one degree or another have either compromised their conservative ideals when under pressure or lied when claiming they share conservative ideals. One certainly should not expect perfection from men but a good or even great man is possible if the man clings to Hashem and strives to lead always remembering to fear Hashem in all his decisions and policies. If a leader fears Hashem – would he try to divide the land of Israel? Would he support “two-state solution” appeasement of those who hate Israel?
@ C.R.:
OK. I’ll bite. Who in your opinion is or was a real Republican president?
@ Arnold Harris:
Mr. Harris–it is God who will save Israel–all of Jewish history has proven the Jews cannot save themselves!
@ Arnold Harris:
Good for him–a Jew who could think properly for himself and had respect for what was good–very cool!
@
:
Max Harris, 1892-1979, may his memory live on among my children and grandchildren, was a small-time businessman who couldn’t stand even being around liberals, whom he sometimes contemptuously referred to as “Bolsheviks”.
Good for him–a Jew who could think properly for himself and had respect for what was good–very cool!
@ yamit82:
A genuine Republican president–is better for Israel–obviously not a RINO, who is a Marxist democrat in the guise of a Republican, e.g., G.W. Bush and his father before him!
@ Arnold Harris:
Haha–“shit list“!
Romney has been ahead for months–at least since the middle of last summer–I’ll be SO happy to see the Marxist anti-Semite Barack Obama go!
@ Laura:
Yes you are, most definitely.
@ Arnold Harris:
If there is a shit-list then the only ones not on it are those who don’t comment. Except for one whose name I won’t mention; none is happy with Ted’s spam filter except maybe Ted.
Yamit, I took the time to write two relatively innocent responses today to you and other Israpundit readers. Ted Belman’s software bounced both of my letters. I suppose I’m now on someone’s shit-list.
Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
I am also an exception to that rule.
@ Arnold Harris:
I am not at all in disagreement with you, except for your unfathomable predilection of voting and believing in Republicans. Till now as far as Israel and Jews are concerned Republican presidents have been no better for us than Democratic ones and some have been much worse.
I only generalized because I was speaking for the overwhelming majority and not the anomalous small minority. I agree to include you among the few exceptions to my general rule.
Yamit, don’t generalize so much. This particular Jew votes for whom his gentile conservatives vote for. In any case, my father, Max Harris, 1892-1979, may his memory live on among my children and grandchildren, was a small-time businessman who couldn’t stand even being around liberals, whom he sometimes contemptuously referred to as “Bolsheviks”.
The very last Democrat president I admired was Harry S Truman, and I was too young to be able to vote for him in 1948. And I admired him not because he beat Joe Stalin by a few minutes or hours in the race to recognize the State of Israel in 1948; but because he really lived in accordance with the engraved piece of wood he had on his desk which stated “The Buck Stops Here.”
In any case, you know — probably better than I do — that the future of the Israel and the Jewish nation depends not at all on the USA and the American Jews, but on itself and keeping true to the 34-century old commitment to the commandments of HaShem and the need to build up their own strength and independence.
I couldn’t care less about most of the American Jews and how they vote. My fixation in on the permanent Jewish expansion into Shomron and Yehuda now, and as soon as possible, the retaking and annexation of the Sinai peninsula, and Jewish expansion across the river into the ancient Jewish lands where Moshe and the Jewish tribes first came to HaAretz. Nothing else will build a permanent Jewish future in its ancient and now renewed home.
Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
@ Bob:
Most Jews will vote for whom they perceive their gentile Liberals vote for.
I’ll bet the Florida crowd will still vote for Obama for free healthcare and dental services.
And you wonder why your grandchildren won’t come and visit grandpa and grandma?………..Thats because they are going to be the the ones to pay for it all in years to come.