Michael Coren interviews Steve Emerson on the Muslim Brotherhood and Stealth Jihad
MICHAEL COREN: Steve Emerson is one of North America’s most eminent and respected commentators. He is the author of six books and his television documentary, if you haven’t seen it, you have to, “Jihad in America” won the 1994 George Polk award for best TV documentary. Very early to have covered this sort of stuff. And top prize for the best investigative reporting from Investigative Reporters and Editors. He is also the executive director of The Investigative Project on Terrorism and he frequently testifies before Congressional committees and other related organizations. A great pleasure to welcome you back on the show. How are you?
STEVEN EMERSON: Hard to answer that question. I have become a dysfunctional workaholic, working 14 hours a day, but that is normal in DC. And the only problem is that I am reading emails until four in the morning and it gets me so stressed out that I don’t sleep till six. I’m fine, thanks.
COREN: I will take that as a, yeah, very well, thanks very much. I know because I’ve had some of the emails back from you in the middle of the night. I don’t know when you actually do sleep. Of course those who plot against us don’t sleep very much either. The real problem for me at least is not that the Muslim Brotherhood and other groups are organizing; it is that so few people in the west seem to understand it and are willing to stand up and fight back.
EMERSON: Well, it is not just willing. There is cognitive dissonance or witting collaboration. There are various motivations. They range from naiveté to our belief that if we don’t lie, others don’t lie. But the reality is that the Muslim Brotherhood is a fascist group and it is based on fascist principals founded in 1928. And even the presidential candidate Morsi, who just won; two hours before President Obama called him to congratulate him for transitioning to democracy, he stated in a speech in Cairo that the shariah will run Egypt from now on. The shariah implements second class codification for women, allows the beating of wives, allows the stoning of women, killing of apostates. And this obviously is going to cause major problems of persecution and even murder of Christians and other minorities in Egypt. Number two, in the United States and in Europe there is an equal problem, that the Muslim Brotherhood front groups, and there are many, and this was documented by the FBI in a raid in 2004 where they found a treasure trove of internal MB documents. There is a whole [Muslim Brotherhood ]structure in the United States and yet this Administration is dealing only with those [very same MB ] groups that believe that there is a “war against Islam”, that Israel should be destroyed, that support [or rationalize] suicide bombings; and [moreover, this Administration won’t]… don’t deal with the genuine moderate Muslims who are so courageous because they know they will get shot at when they stick their necks out of the foxhole.
COREN: The question is why because this is abundantly true. We know there are moderate Muslims, probably not as well organized, in fact certainly not as well organized, but they are crying out to be heard and they are being rejected, dismissed, by the very people that they want to help.
EMERSON: Well first of all you are right, they are not as well organized and the Saudi charities and the Islamic billion dollar charities in Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf don’t go to American Muslims for Peace Now, they go to the Muslim Brotherhood groups. In fact, the Muslim Brotherhood groups get the lion’s share of the Saudi moneys, of the Persian Gulf moneys and now they are so well endowed that they have a monopoly, not just in the Middle East, on the education system, on the media system, on the religious system but they have a monopoly here in the United States as well. And you are right. When there was just a hearing the other day by the House Committee on Homeland Security, Democrat after Democrat dissed and made outrageous insults against the three moderate Muslims who courageously testified and [who] admitted there is a problem within Islam that they want to correct; …that [stated is imperative]… to admit that radical Islam does exist, it doesn’t mean that all Muslims are terrorists, but the [prohibition] of even uttering the term “radical Islam” is part of the edict issued by this administration.
COREN: For those out there who say well I know Muslims and they are nice people, we are not attacking Muslims. If we look at the Russian revolution, the Bolsheviks never represented more than maybe 10% at most of the population, but they controlled an entire empire eventually. The Muslim Brotherhood speaks for more than 10%. They are heavily organized, they have been working for generations now, they now have Egypt, they could well have Syria by the end of the year. This is very worrying.
EMERSON: They could have Syria, they could have Libya. Ultimately they could have Iraq. There is already a different variety [of radical Islam] that controls Iran. Look, there is another problem here. The Muslim Brotherhood is not a democratic system. We equate democracy with civil society so when we allowed elections in Gaza, they elected Hamas, a terrorist government. Democracy didn’t moderate them. The notion that we believe that direct elections and democracy are going to moderate the Muslim Brotherhood is absolutely insane. The reality is totally different. They are deceptive. They use deception. We [the Investigative Project on Terrorism] publish all the time, and so does MEMRI.org, all of their radical statements, but no one takes them seriously and then we buy into the naiveté. In the United States, the Muslim Brotherhood infrastructure has a monopoly on the Islamic communities. Most Muslims, I don’t believe, support the radical ideas of the Muslim Brotherhood, but the Muslim Brotherhood groups themselves control the leadership of the organizations. They have infiltrated, and I am not being conspiratorial, they have penetrated the media; they have penetrated law enforcement and I can document that. In fact, [if I may], just a plug, [we have] a new documentary coming out in September is called “Jihad in America: Grand Deception” and it is about the stealth Jihad. That means it is about the Jihad waged legally in terms of infiltrating what they [the Muslim Brotherhood in their own documents obtained by the FBI] call a “civilizational Jihad process.” That is a quote used from an internal MB document in the U.S.
COREN: Steve, we will have to have you back on the show. In fact, I promise we will have you back on the show. Thank you so very much indeed.
EMERSON: You’re very welcome.
Sorry for butting in, but this is a totally useless lamenting about Loftus and his “expertise” on Islam. There are so many excellent scholars, experts of Islam, out there on the American market of ideas. Read Andrew Bostom, read Andy McCarthy, read Ibn Warraq, etc. Read the Australian Mark Durie, read the European Bat Ye’or, read what Turkish PM Erdogan said about Islam. Islam means nothing else but SUBMISSION. No peace or other nonsense translations.
@ jo:
Sorry. Where I typed Lotus should be Loftus. Lotus is a car.
@ jo:
One thing I disagree with John Lotus about is this. He said about halfway down in the above linked article:
Ah, come on! If people are reading and believing the Koran then they are a ticking timebomb for Jihad and not peaceful! It is the Koran which instructs its followers to kill the infidels. Ecumenism is a Catholic doctrine and is false. John Lotus is a Catholic according to this: http://web.archive.org/web/20030604055731/http://john-loftus.com/bio.asp
@ jo:
Thanks for the info. I wasn’t being critical of him, but supportive. I really liked that article. I am critical of Jack Bauer.
@ Teshuvah:
Please read his books and look him up on youtube. I am a very critical reader and John Loftus is the one writer I trust MOST. Look into him and decide for yourself if he is credible or not. I am confident in his credentials and motives. He is not Jewish yet is president of a Holocaust museum in Florida. He is also a Nazi-hunter. The information he has to share is of the utmost importance. Here is the link again:
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/loftus101106.htm
Pr. O is not naive. He is in favor of the MB and some form of “punishment” of the “white civilization” for past deeds.
@ jo:
Thanks for the link to that fantastic article. Jack Bauer (24 TV Series*) is not the real hero, John Loftus is!
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* Trivia: 24’s propaganda constantly perpetuated the Myth of the Moderate Muslim, told Americans their gov’t could and would void their individual rights at the whim of any gov’t agency who fought “terrorists”, and pushed the propaganda of The Ends Justify the Means. Jack Bauer had a Muslim Imam give him his “last rites” when he thought he was dying in Day 7, last program. If Jews control Hollywood, and I think they do, how did this liberal program ever get made or remain so popular for so long?
Pr. O and his click must know things that Mr. Emerson does not know.
MB is pan-Islamic, was born in 1928, 4 years after Ataturk declared the Caliphate defunct. MB are active campaigner for the re-institution of the Caliphate.
moishe Said:
Bull.
@ moishe:
Hi Moishe,
I have to disagree about your assessement of the mb. The mb aligned themsleves with the nazis during the war. Please read the link below. It is written by John Loftus who is the author of ;The secret war against the Jews;. It clearly explains how the mb are literally the muslim arm of the nazi party.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/loftus101106.htm
Moishe, I beg to differ from you. In the dying days of the 1000 year reich, a Nazi observed that in the 20th century there were only two revolutionary movements; Fascism (on the right) and Communism (on the left). Someone else observed that totalitarian extemists are so far apart on the political spectrum that they bend backwards and meet up. Islam is not Communistic, which is universalistic but Fascistic i.e. particularistic and tribal. I see most of humanity as fascistic because they have not yet comprehended the universalistic ethical kernal at the heart of Judaism. The degenerated debased extremism that is Communism uses the noble aims of our faith and perverts it; it is led by psychopaths who love humanity – its just people whom they hate. I like to make another point in this regard as well: there are some good Jews and some Christians who are good because of their religion, while good mohammedans are good despite their religion; Islam is an intrinsically evil form of primitive Fascism dressed up as a religion.
Laura frustration with experts spewing pc rubbish about how little support the average mohammedan in the street has for the mb agenda, is palpable and apt. Whereever there is a democratic vote, it goes toward a democracy of one man (ignore woman), one vote, one time. The primitive mohammedans are not ready for democracy or respecting anything other than their tribe, clam, religious sect and the satisfaction of their basest needs. Just look at Darfur or Iraq to see their contempt for even the values of their debased creed. The problems in the West are two-fold. Firstly, there is a respect for religion and a determined avoidance of negative stereotyping of even obvious egregious flaws in certain segments of society. Secondly, there is a studied blindness to the fact that people from different societies behave differently to ourselves and that the beautiful Muslim friend in my house will quite likely be my deadliest enemy in the company of his own family and friends. In societies where truth is whatever is expedient, loyalty is for sale, deception and cunning survival tactics, cruelty, remorselessness and vengfulness are prized traits of manhood alongside the tendency toward outdoing one’s fellow in extremism, the cry to follow the teaching of the “Profit” is the only unifying element of society and will win out. Respecting or tolerating the mores of a 7th century Arab thief and murderer harms us in our final battle against totalitarianism; to make it reform or wipe to it out.
@ moishe:
The MB is not Fascist/Communist or any other Left-winglike organization. Its members are pure and simple Muslims who follow the Sunna, the Sira, the Koran and the Sharia, in one word Islam. They cannot be gauged politically with the same measurements as a non-Muslim country. As for the chicken-and-the egg question: are they Fascists? the answer is NO. The Hitlerites learned from Islam that preceded fascism by 1300 years. Hitler was a true admirer of Islam, he considered it a “manly” religion. The Jews were forced to ware the yellow star under the Dhimma aproximately a thousand year ago.
perhaps it has been decided that the best way to control the billion uneducated muslims is through sharia. It is a religion that enables its adherents to commit suicide upon instruction from its priests. Certainly the saudi wahabbi pact of rule reinforces this and for the US state dept the sun shines out of the saudi posterior. The US saudi alliance, which uses jihdists, existed in afghanistan in the 1980’s and exists now in Syria and Libya with saudi funding al quaeda as they did in Iraq. Are we to assume that this alliance and modus operandi did not exist in between? The question becomes: what is gained by this obvious alliance and this obvious support of the MB by the US, is it just Obama? I doubt it, as it existed before.
@ Laura:
I don’t agree the mb are fascist. They are definitely communist, liberals. Their position is definitely leftist.
Obama is a muslim brother
I disagree that most muslims don’t support the goals of the mb. Polls show that overwhelming majorities in Egypt and other islamic countries support the implementation of sharia law. It annoys me that even those who do get it about islam always qualify their statements with proclamations about most muslims being moderate. It just isn’t true. I don’t understand the notion that one can oppose islam but have no problem with muslims. This is without logic. Without the willingness of most of the world’s muslims to advance islamic doctrine, islam could not be such a threat.