Cain shows his ignorance and Wallace shows his bias

Herman Cain Agrees In Principle to Palestinian Right of Return

Cain, clearly not knowing what Chris was talking about, said sure why not with the caveat that it would be negotiable and up to Israel.

    Wallace: Where do you stand on the right of return?

    Cain: The right of return? The right of return?

    Wallace: The Palestinian right of return

    Cain: That should be negotiated.

    Wallace: You think the Palistinian refugees kicked out in 1948 should have any right to return to Israeli land?

    Cain: Yes, they should have the right to come back if that is a decision that Israel wants to make.

Nobody’s perfect.

May 22, 2011 | 41 Comments »

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  1. Yonatan writes:
    Closed to you, closed minded.

    Shy Guy wrote:
    I pointed out the obvious hypocrisy of AE’s comment here.

    Here are two guys who seriously believe that God spoke directly to Moses, and base their political analyses on that, and they call ME closed minded. LOL!

    Yamit writes:
    I do support America,Israel’s only ally: I pay my taxes to the IRS.

    So do some members of CAIR and Hamas. I’ve said you are all like peas in a pod.

    China warns US against war with Pakistan

    This is for the consumption of ignoramuses like you who are unaware that the Chinese economy would shut down without its sales to the US. Besides, I have two words for the Chinese: Hiroshima and Nagasaki. No one knows better than the Chinese what Obama’s successor would do to them if they went off the reservation.

  2. Yonatan writes:
    if you’re not prepared to march lockstep with AE over every single detail of his ideas you’re labeled a traitor to Israel (even though he truly only cares about America).

    Not true. The only ones who are labeled traitors to Israel are those who deliberately twist the truth to weaken the Israeli/US alliance that Israel sorely needs to survive the Muslim hordes, not to mention the 78% of liberal American Jews who don’t seem to give a crap about the security of Israel.

    Besides, caring for America includes caring and supporting other democracies like Israel and India.

    Yamit writes:
    What was Obama’s response? Pushing Israel back to 48 borders.

    No Republican and certainly Obama has an answer or a clue.

    the US is in worse shape from a fiscal standpoint than debt-plagued nations such as Italy or Spain, he said.

    The richest Americans are paying just 18 percent income tax rates even while the top marginal rate is supposed to be 35 percent, he said.

    Here you go, Yonatan. Several recent examples of deliberate falsehoods or comments twisted out of all recognition.

  3. Scottdnok says: I do agree with your assessment that the US is on its way down the shit chute if we keep BHO on for another 4 excruciatingly difficult years. I’ll vote for any Republican over O’bama. I hope tHE great unwashed masses acn be swayed once again bty hope and change.

    As bad as obama is,I see the problem transcending the political microbes on offer. No Republican and certainly Obama has an answer or a clue. None have the balls to stick it to the American people, therefore the collapse is inevitable. Add EU collapse and the animus of China and Russia salivating to reap the spoils we have all the ingredients for WW3.
    The world Bankers and financial players seem to be willing as long as they come out intact.

    US Worse Off Financially Than Euro Nations: Walker

    The US is spending $4 billion a day more than it is taking in, putting the country on an unsustainable fiscal path perpetuated by both Democrats and Republicans, according to David Walker, head of the Comeback America Initiative.

    Solving America’s problems will require a combination weighted toward spending reductions but one that also will require spreading the taxation burden around more evenly, said Walker, the former US comptroller general.

    “We’re not growing enough and we’re not going to grow our way out of this problem,” he said in a CNBC interview. “We would have to have double-digit real GDP growth for decades to grow our way out of this hole.”

    Walker’s organization promotes fiscal stability and is warning that the US is trailing many other developed nations in terms of getting its fiscal policies in order. Comeback America is a conservative think tank funded mostly through a grant from the Peter G. Peterson Foundation, named for the founder the Blackstone Group private equity firm.

    In fact, according to an index that Comeback America developed, the US is in worse shape from a fiscal standpoint than debt-plagued nations such as Italy or Spain, he said.

    With the nation hitting its $14.294 trillion debt ceiling and in need of an extension, Congress is debating the proper mix of tax increases and spending cuts so that the US does not end up like weaker euro zone nations such as Greece, Spain and Portugal that are in danger of debt defaults.

    Walker leans more towards the spending-cut side, but also sees inequities in the tax structure that must be corrected to help generate revenue.

    “We have to broaden the base—51 percent of Americans don’t have any income taxes,” he said. “That’s not acceptable in a democracy.”

    The richest Americans are paying just 18 percent income tax rates even while the top marginal rate is supposed to be 35 percent, he said.

    Straightening out the imbalances will be a tough choice for politicians and, Walker said, will be an integral part of next year’s presidential campaign.

    “The 2012 election is going to have to be about what’s the proper role for government,” he said. “How are we going to solve our financial problems?”

    I still wish Ayn were able to post to this blog.

    Me too, It’s a year this week. She’s always in my thoughts.

  4. Scottdnok says:
    May 24, 2011 at 2:30 am

    Yamit, that article by Prof. Tarpley reads like an early 70s editorial right out of Tass or Pravda, exccept for its lack of bullish reports of bumper grain crops of course. I scoff at the veracity of any article so loaded up by obviously left leaning contributors. I do agree with your assessment that the US is on its way down the shit chute if we keep BHO on for another 4 excruciatingly difficult years. I’ll vote for any Republican over O’bama. I hope tHE great unwashed masses acn be swayed once again bty hope and change. I still wish Ayn were able to post to this blog.

    Problem with Tarpley is that he has a long documented record being being right more than not. That’s why I posted him. You I or anyone may disagree in whole or part but than I expect some authoritative debunking both to his facts and conclusions.

    China to speed up delivery of 50 fighter jets to Pakistan

    Pakistan plans to buy six Chinese submarines

    China warns US against war with Pakistan

    China warns US against war with Pakistan

    Jiang Yu

    China has officially put the United States on notice that Washington’s planned attack on Pakistan will be interpreted as an act of aggression against Beijing. This blunt warning represents the first known strategic ultimatum received by the United States in half a century, going back to Soviet warnings during the Berlin crisis of 1958-1961, and indicates the grave danger of general war growing out of the US-Pakistan confrontation.

    “Any Attack on Pakistan Would be Construed as an Attack on China”

    Where have you heard these reports on any News media source especially FOX?

    What was Obama’s response? Pushing Israel back to 48 borders. It’s all smoke and mirrors!!! Nothing is as it’s seems or is portrayed to the American people who are sleeping the dreams of fools. Petty narrow national politics ain’t going to cut it anymore…..!

  5. Stanley, AE and I have some common opinions, however, if you’re not prepared to march lockstep with AE over every single detail of his ideas you’re labeled a traitor to Israel (even though he truly only cares about America). We have reached a time in history where the rest of the Jews throughout the world should move home to Israel. Together we can accomplish anything.

  6. It is a shame that Yonaton and American Eagle are at each other’s throats when ultimately they both desire the same thing. We jews must be careful not to slay our own young and work together to destroy the greatest evil that has befallen America since WW2.
    Certain things are givens.
    One, the capos within American Jewish society who have taken over the leadership of many Jewish organizations must be replaced an ostracized. Similarly with the Israeli left that have formed treasonous NGO’s and have infiltrated the Israeli university system.
    Two, Jews in the USA and Israel must go on the propaganda offensive with money, sponsorships and training of speakers to give our young people the weapons to fight the filth spewed by the left.
    Three, Barak Hussein Obama MUST NOT BE REELECTED IN 2012!
    Four, five and six, Barak Hussein Obama MUST NOT BE REELECTED IN 2012
    As for Chris Wallace, he has let a little praise go to his head. He needs a very rude awakening.

  7. Yonatan writes:
    Here, I’ll spell it out a little more, since you can’t seem to grasp the concept; Republicans are not the answer for American Jews, they need to live in Israel. What you do over there, do in your own best interest. If thats Republicans, have at it.
    Do you understand now? Thick…

    This concept that American Jews need to live in Israel is even more idiotic than what you wrote previously. Half of all Jews live in America. Most Americans support Israel. You, Yamit and Yonatan do not support Israel because you do not support its only ally without which Israel would be TOAST. Case closed.

  8. Shy Guy writes:
    That is because everyone assumes their beliefs are fact based. The problem isn’t religion itself. The problem is separating facts from fiction.

    In religious beliefs there is no logical way to separate fact from fiction. It was all written by men based on their dreams and beliefs. Thus you have nothing factual to base your assumption on, only faith in what you have been taught. This is why it makes no sense to use it in a political discussion unless it is with others who are brainwashed the same way you are.

    Suppress your arrogance.

    REAL arrogance is in making political arguments based on your faith beliefs, which cannot be proven, and demanding that others agree.

  9. AmericanEagle says:
    May 24, 2011 at 8:21 am

    Religion is a matter of personal faith. It cannot be allowed as the rationale in political arguments because who can argue with the Allmighty? Its use is designed to switch off the brain and shut off debate.

    That is because everyone assumes their beliefs are fact based.

    The problem isn’t religion itself. The problem is separating facts from fiction. This is no less true in politics, business and culture.

    Wise up.

    Suppress your arrogance.

  10. Here, I’ll spell it out a little more, since you can’t seem to grasp the concept; Republicans are not the answer for American Jews, they need to live in Israel. What you do over there, do in your own best interest. If thats Republicans, have at it.

    Do you understand now? Thick…

  11. Yonatan wrote:
    AmericanEagle, you are an idiot. Out of the very small 3 sentences I wrote, you felt a need to extract one sentence and quote it, completely changing the meaning of what I wrote. You truly are a mental midget.

    A REAL mental midget is a Jew who probably voted to elect the most anti-Semitic and worst President in US history, who is destroying the US economy and jeopardizing Israel, and yet can now write that Republicans are not the answer. Pure genius.

    My message is one you’ll never get, just as you don’t understand the mitzvot and continue to label them form over substance.

    For me to get your message you have to have a coherent message. You have to do a lot better than “Republicans are not the answer” under the circumstances when even Mickey Mouse would make a better president. I understand perfectly the ingenious way in which you guys have been brainwashed by obediently following orders that are meaningless in making anyone a better person. Wise up.

    Let me spell it out for you, dingbat, there’s substance in the form and Jews belong in Israel. Clear enough for your tiny Egret mind?

    Oh, I understand perfectly that the substance behind the form is to make you all like sheep so that you will then believe anything. Perfectly clear to me.

    Religion is a matter of personal faith. It cannot be allowed as the rationale in political arguments because who can argue with the Allmighty? Its use is designed to switch off the brain and shut off debate. Wise up.

  12. AmericanEagle, you are an idiot. Out of the very small 3 sentences I wrote, you felt a need to extract one sentence and quote it, completely changing the meaning of what I wrote. You truly are a mental midget.

    My message is one you’ll never get, just as you don’t understand the mitzvot and continue to label them form over substance. Let me spell it out for you, dingbat, there’s substance in the form and Jews belong in Israel. Clear enough for your tiny Egret mind?

  13. Georg Starkerman writes:
    I think that we have enough of a “Black” candidate in the form of Obama. Perhaps it’s time for the White man to take over the reins of Government.

    Au contraire, Mein Herr Hit…, ….er, Von Starkerman. Let’s put your racist views aside. This is 2011 after all. It’s not the color of a man’s skin but what is in his head and in his gut. Allen West and Hermain Cain have what it takes, unlike Imam Obama whom 78% of American Jews voted for though not one of them would hire tham to run their own business.

  14. I think that we have enough of a “Black” candidate in the form of Obama. Perhaps it’s time for the White man to take over the reins of Government.

  15. Ted Belman wrote:
    Herman Cain Agrees In Principle to Palestinian Right of Return

    Poppycock. You just made that up out of whole cloth – a veritable straw man. He said nothing of the kind. He left it up to Israel. You guys have gotten used to the canard that any bad decision Israel makes is the fault of the US. Poor babies.

    BlindOatmeal wrote:
    I don’t plan to vote for Cain

    More than your Oatmeal seems blind, man. What about “if that is a decision that Israel wants to make” did you not understand? Or, do you now want to make Israel our 51st. state so that the US President can make the decisions for Israel? Or do you not trust the Israeli government?

    Laura wrote:
    Wallace is a skunk.

    Sorry, Laura, never blame the question when you don’t like the answer. There are no stupid questions. It is the answerer who is in control.

    I believe Cain supports Israel however he shows he is not well informed on the history. He did not say he would force this upon Israel, but only if Israel decides to which it won’t.

    Bingo!

    Kufar Dawg wrote:
    My G-d, is the choice of Repub. candidates that bad?

    Au contraire, Mr. Mutt. It’s just the opposite. Besides, Mickey Mouse would be better than what we have now, thanks in part to 78% of liberal American Jews who apparently didn’t give – let’s stay with the theme here – a dog-poo about Israel. BTW, can’t you spell?

    Rabbi Yamit wrote:
    America is toast no-matter who gets elected,….

    Here we go again from an Israeli saboteur who never loses an opportunity to undermine Israel’s security by undermining its only ally.

    That said, the re-election of the Black Plague will just speed up the inevitable. Seems like that if the economy doesn’t do it G-d through ongoing and ever increasing natural disasters will.

    I suppose this would alo be a plausible explanation for how the Jews were kicked out of J&S by Muslim invaders and only got a tiny slice back thanks to the Brits in 1947.

    They are all ignorant and even quite stupid!!

    None more so than Rabbi Yamit.

    “Any Attack on Pakistan Would be Construed as an Attack on China”

    And he calls Hermain Cain stupid. LOL!

    While I don’t believe in or trust any Israeli politician; when even BB, whom I detest does good, I will support him, even if his motivations are not pure but self serving.

    Everyone should know that Rabbi Yamit also supports the 78% of Liberal American Jews who gave us Imam Obama. He also supports anyone who demonizes Glenn Beck the most pro-Israel political commentator in America, including American Jewish commentators. Gage whatever he writes by this yardstick. What he writes is often inverted.

    Yonatan writes:
    Republicans are not the answer.

    Listen to Rabbi Yamit and his mini-me, Yonatan, folks. They illustrate perfectly the kind of liberal Jewish thinking that gave us Imam Obama.

    As we can clearly see, they have already started undermining his opposition 18 months before the 2012 election.

  16. Yamit, that article by Prof. Tarpley reads like an early 70s editorial right out of Tass or Pravda, exccept for its lack of bullish reports of bumper grain crops of course. I scoff at the veracity of any article so loaded up by obviously left leaning contributors. I do agree with your assessment that the US is on its way down the shit chute if we keep BHO on for another 4 excruciatingly difficult years. I’ll vote for any Republican over O’bama. I hope tHE great unwashed masses acn be swayed once again bty hope and change. I still wish Ayn were able to post to this blog.

  17. Very true Yamit. I can’t believe that American Jews don’t feel they’re on a slippery slope. Digging in isn’t going to help. Republicans are not the answer.

  18. Ah, Mr Yamit underestimates Americans. As in Israel, the Left is our biggest internal enemy. Mr Yamit may not be aware that the Left in America hates the Christians and everything that they stand for. The Left, also, despite the loyalty of the American Jew to the Dem Party, are anti-semitic.

    In the future America that Mr Yamit seems to get pleasure out of visualizing, it will actually be the Fascist Left persecuting both Christians and Orthodox Jews. But the secular Jews, they will be on the side of the fascists. Just as they are on the side of the Pali’s against their ancestral homeland. Just as the Israeli Left is an internal enemy to their brother Jews today.

    In America, Conservatives of all stripes, including Christians, are firm supporters of Israel. Some for evangelical religious reasons, but the majority for reasons of national security. You see, we recognize the threat to Israels survival. We realize that Israel is on the front lines of a war that threatens the entire West. We are sick of the Leftist media in America that keeps the populace in the dark with fairy tales of “religion of peace”.

    And Mr Yamit, we ARE NOT going to allow the Left to have that America that you visualize. And, you, sir, will one day be very glad that we did not.

  19. ArnoldHarris says:

    As Rav Meir Kahane would have said: “Never again!”

    Kahane said many things worth remembering and quoting. Chiefly among them that the Jews should vacate the exile and come home. “Never Again” was coined to mean that the Jews would never go to their slaughter like sheep again. When I look at the Jews of America I can see that “Never Again” is nothing but a meaningless euphemism in their context.

  20. ArnoldHarris says:
    May 23, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    Yamit,

    Love your bravado and patriotism but what happens here has nothing to do with what is all but inevitable there. I didn’t say America would disappear but she will be so diminished as to be all but irrelevant. Israel will out perform and outlive America so on that score I’m not worried. Even if it’s hard for someone like you to comprehend, we Jews in Israel have not only a future but a bright future. You can’t and i can’t say the same for America and if we speak of the Jews in 2 more generations there won’t be very many in America.

    While I don’t believe in or trust any Israeli politician; when even BB, whom I detest does good, I will support him, even if his motivations are not pure but self serving. Building Freeze Thaws during Netanyahu’s Washington Visit

    In the end if you are still with us Your Christian friends and neighbors will seal your fate and I’m sure not to your liking. You know the drill!!!

  21. Yamit,

    Speaking as an American as well as a Jew, my advice to you is this: You folks get rid of your Judenrat, while we work on retiring President Blacksnake with the best of whoever walks down our road from now until November 2012. That someone can be white, black, oriental, male or female. But he or she damned well better be an American as we understand it.

    As for you worrying about our existence, America isn’t going anywhere, despite our national debt and the most bad-ass tornadoes on the face of this planet. You just make sure you can say the same for Aretz-Yisrael, Medinat Yisrael and Am ha-Yehudi; the windstorms you folks face are mainly generated by your own government of weaklings and assholes. Get rid of that gang, and everything will be as Kosher as ha-Shem can make it.

    For starters, why don’t all of you pressure your J-rat into annexing Area C of Yehuda and Shomron, and start seriously to build up the population there? Facts on the ground aren’t facts at all until they’re actually on the ground. He who settles, wins; he who sits around and whines about it, loses.

    Arnold Harris
    Mount Horeb WI

  22. Cain shows his ignorance and Wallace shows his bias

    They are all ignorant and even quite stupid!!

    US, Pakistan Near Open War; Chinese Ultimatum Warns Washington Against Attack

    Webster G. Tarpley, Ph.D.

    China has officially put the United States on notice that Washington’s planned attack on Pakistan will be interpreted as an act of aggression against Beijing. This blunt warning represents the first known strategic ultimatum received by the United States in half a century, going back to Soviet warnings during the Berlin crisis of 1958-1961, and indicates the grave danger of general war growing out of the US-Pakistan confrontation.
    “Any Attack on Pakistan Would be Construed as an Attack on China” MORE

  23. America is toast no-matter who gets elected, That said, the re-election of the Black Plague will just speed up the inevitable. Seems like that if the economy doesn’t do it G-d through ongoing and ever increasing natural disasters will.

    I think to quote Reagan “You ain’t seen nothin yet” The best and most painful is yet to come.

    Man Tracht un G-t Lacht…. Man plans and G-d laughs

  24. KD,

    That goes for me as well. Come November 2012, I will vote for ANY Republican who gets the nomination to retire Mr President Blacksnake from office. And at this point in time, I’m just not too particular. All I want someone capable of undoing our great national and thoroughly disappointing experiment in affirmative action on steroids.

    As Rav Meir Kahane would have said: “Never again!”

    Arnold Harris
    Mount Horeb WI

  25. No, the media is just going into their Alinsky mocking mode to minimize the political opposition. The problem is that there are going to be two categories of Repub candidate to choose from. Moderate Republican or Conservative. I believe that a Conservative candidate would be the choice to wrest the country off of the path that the Progressives have us speeding down. The Moderates are basically socialist lite. They will continue on the big govt path, just at a slower pace than the Dems.

    The Conservative movement is also the most pro-Israel. Not from a religious standpoint as the media would portray, but from a ntl security standpoint. We recognize the Jihadist threat and know that Israel is on the front lines of that war. That Israel is our ally.

    We don’t buy the “religion of peace” line that the media feeds out.

  26. The Rep candidates will have to just slug it out, with the referee throwing in his own punches as Obama’s proxy. Whoever wins, I will probably vote for him/her in Nov. 2012 — even if the winner is a stray dog that saunters into the ring.

    My G-d, is the choice of Repub. candidates that bad?

  27. I think Herman Cain is a straight guy, and unlike Barack Hussein Obama II, his heart is in the right place. Now that he is ranked among the various Republican Party presidential contenders, he is subject to tricksterist interviewers such as that sleazebag rat Wallace. The same kinds of stunts were tried on Sarah Palin in the 2008 campaign by Charles Gibson. In any case, nothing Cain has said or written, at least when he posits the questions and then provides the answers, gives any indication that he is other than foursquare in favor of Israel’s right to establish its own borders, considering the endless wars and terrorism that the Jewish States has had to fight and win since long before Israel declared its independence in 1948.

    Herman does indeed give flip answers to reporters. But so too did Harry S Truman, who proved to be one of America’s toughest and best presidents. And nobody in this country would question whether or not he is a real American black guy, and not another Kenyan candidate trying to hide his early life of having been raised as an Indonesian Moslem.

    Would a successful big-time pizza king make a good president? Why not? Just like Godfather’s Pizzas, his ingredients are good quality, and the Master Baker said to control all this must have thought well of him when he rolled the dough, slid them into the oven, and created Herman Cain, a fine American.

    Arnold Harris
    Mount Horeb WI

  28. The Rep candidates will have to just slug it out, with the referee throwing in his own punches as Obama’s proxy. Whoever wins, I will probably vote for him/her in Nov. 2012 — even if the winner is a stray dog that saunters into the ring.

  29. Dumb bigot Wallace using the ‘it goes without saying’ technique. Maybe next he should have asked Cain if Arabs should be upset about all of those kids that gave their blood for the Joooos’ matzha.

    Cain, like 99.9% of Americans is in the dark on the issue. Wallace showed a complete lack of journalistic integrity and a rather repulsive bigotry in his question (I don’t care if he’s some sort of hellenized ethnic ‘Jew’ or not).

  30. Cain was in unsure waters, obviously. It’s fortunate for him that he didn’t screw up worse than he did. I agree with Laura, my biggest gripe was the wording of the question. It sure makes it hard to set the record straight in my personal conversations when all “conventional wisdom” states the Pali’s were kicked out of Israel in 1948. We’re always swimming against the information current, thanks again to the media.

  31. I fully agree with Laura. The successive Israeli governments have been largely responsible for the distortion of history. They should heed Albert Camus’s warning: “Misnaming things compounds the misery of the world.”

  32. Wallace: You think the Palistinian refugees kicked out in 1948 should have any right to return to Israeli land?

    Wallace is a skunk. When you describe it in these maliciously false terms, anyone who is unaware of who really caused the arab refugees, this is the kind of answer you will get. I believe Cain supports Israel however he shows he is not well informed on the history. He did not say he would force this upon Israel, but only if Israel decides to which it won’t. In any case, decades of this type of historical revisionism being stated repeatedly for decades is the reason for Israel’s poor standing in the west outside of the U.S. Successive Israeli governments for decades have been part of the problem by not setting the record straight and using the language of its enemies such as “occupation”, “settlements”, “west bank”, “palestinians”.

  33. From the article:

    “Cain’s philosophy may be grounded in conservatism but evidently his governing style would be, “Don’t ask me I only work here”.”

    I don’t plan to vote for Cain.

  34. It has now become the mainstream accepted account that the Palestinians were “kicked out” or “expelled” in 1948. Not fled; not were encouraged to leave by their leaders. Of course, some were expelled by Israeli soldiers, but not the overwhelming majority, many of whom fled without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.