By Ted Belman
Hillel Fendel reports that Politicians Warn Against PA State, except for the center-left represented by Mofaz and Barak and maybe Netanyahu.. Both are worried about the UNGA will recognize Palestine in September and want to do make concessions to avoid it.
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In a speech last week, Barak said he considers this scenario a “political tsunami” against Israel. He even said that this political development will carry a strong element of de-legitimizing the State of Israel.
As opposed to an increasing number of politicians, however, his solution, was not to try to head off its formation – but only to remove its “unilateral” nature. He accused his boss, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, of not being more forthcoming in negotiations with the PA, and said Israel must express immediate willingness to discuss issues such as final borders, Jerusalem, and the settlement of Arab refugees.
Bibi should boot Barak.
Many other politicians, however, are not willing to entertain the possibility of a Palestinian state at all, unilaterally or otherwise. MK Anastasia Michaeli, for instance, of the Israel Our Home party, said this week that she and her party “are doing all we can to prevent… the formation of a hostile and belligerent state in Judea and Samaria.”
Also last week, coalition whip and Likud faction chairman MK Zev Elkin, visiting post-massacre Itamar, stated strongly that “there is no place for a Palestinian state, not in temporary borders and not in any other configuration.”
The grassroots “Mattot Arim” organization, based in Raanana, recently urged its members to “work strongly against Israel’s upcoming big military mistake, namely turning Area A into a Palestinian state.”
To my mind, Israel must decide whether annexing all and eventually giving citizenship to the Arabs representins a greater threat to Israel than annexing all but Area “A” and not giving citizenship to them but giving them autonomy only.
Mattot Arim argues,
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“Even today, there is a Palestinian army in Area A. However, when this Palestinian army gets completely out of hand – for example, in 2002 when its members participated in horrendous terror attacks – the IDF simply retracts the PA army’s freedom of operation, partially or completely, for a few hours or for many months. [On the other hand,] once there is a Palestinian state, the IDF will no longer be able to cast it or its army aside, temporarily or permanently, even after that state or army becomes heavily involved in terrorism.”
Similarly, Arab-world expert Dr. Mordechai Kedar of Bar Ilan University wrote this week that Israel has only a little time left before the General Assembly session to convince the world how dangerous a Palestinian state would be, “not only to Israel but also to its neighbors.”
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[..] though Netanyahu laid down two conditions for his acceptance of an Arab state in Judea and Samaria, neither of these two conditions appears to be materializing. They were that the PA must recognize Israel as the state of the Jewish nation, and that any future PA state must be demilitarized. “Palestinian spokesmen repeat day and night that they would not dream of recognizing the State of Israel as the Jewish national home,” Kedar wrote, and added that the recent capture of large shipments of weapons bound for Gaza show that the Arabs strongly intend to arm the PA entity “to the teeth with the longest-range, most modern weaponry.”
Other politicians agree.
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Ten days ago, Likud MK Yariv Levin reported to his constituents his recent efforts against the formation of a Palestinian state. Having gone on record as being “diametrically opposed to recognizing a Palestinian state,” he said he had “raised this issue in the last two Likud faction meetings, and in a personal conversation earlier this year with Deputy Prime Minister Moshe Yaalon.”
A week earlier, Yaalon himself, who also serves as Strategic Affairs Minister, told an interviewer that he hopes it is “incorrect” that Netanyahu said he intends to offer the PA a state with temporary borders.
Last month, Deputy Prime Minister and former Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom went so far as to hint that he might leave the government were it to agree to the formation of a PA state. Shalom told the weekly B’Sheva newspaper that although Netanyahu is talking about such a state, “in our system of government, determinations are made by governmental decision, and there is no such government decision. I have never spoken about a Palestinian state and for as long as it is possible to influence the decision making process in the government, and for as long as no decision has been made that contradicts my position, I am in the government.”
In the past, Netanyahu has opposed a PA State
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Netanyahu himself made perhaps the clearest case against a Palestinian state, when he addressed the Likud Central Committee in May 2002. Such an entity, he said, “will demand all the powers of a state, such as controlling borders, bringing in weapons, control of airspace and the ability to knock down any Israeli plane that enters its area, the ability to sign peace treaties and military alliances with other countries. Once you give them a state, you give them all these things, even if there is an agreement to the contrary – for within a short time they will demand all these things, and they will assume these powers, and the world will stand by and do nothing – but it *will* stop us from trying to stop them.”
“We will thus have created with our own hands a threat to our very existence,” Netanyahu continued. “What will happen if the Palestinians do what the Germans did after World War I, when they nullified the demilitarized zone? The world did nothing then, and the world will do nothing now as well. Even now, the Palestinians are removing all the restrictions to which they agreed in Oslo – they are smuggling in arms, polluting the water sources, building an army, making military deals with Iran and others, and more… But when we try to take action against this, the world opposes us – and not them…”
Netanyahu quoted Yasser Arafat: “Arafat said it best when talking to reporters the day he signed the Oslo Accords: ‘Since we can’t defeat Israel in war, we must do it in stages, we must take whatever area of Palestine we can get, establish sovereignty there, and then at the right time, we will have to convince the Arab nations to join us in dealing the final blow to Israel.’ Self-rule, yes. But a state with which to destroy the State of Israel – no…”
Netanyahu continued, “When Arafat threatened to declare a Palestinian state in 1999, I announced at the United Nations that if he did so, we would annex broad areas of Judea,Samaria and Gaza – and Arafat capitulated.” Might Netanyahu today follow his own advice from 2002?
“On matters vital to our existence,” he concluded in 2002, “we always took clear action, even if others didn’t agree with us. Because the bottom line is that saying ‘Yes’ to a Palestinian state means ‘No’ to a Jewish State, and vice-versa.”
So where does Netanyahu stand today?
I smell a Bing!
No googling!
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That’s from page 7 of the first volume of Herzl’s diary.
I didn’t Google 😛
Rashi’s commentary on Leviticus 26:14-15 hints at something similar.
The story was not so simple. The temptations of “enlightenment” and “emancipation”, to the Jewish people who were scattered and mostly politically castrated by their christian overlords for 1800 years, was irresistible – and it went straight to their heads and they did it in the extreme.
Jews did, in great numbers, in Germany, France and the Austro-Hungarian empire.
Who said: “I wish to gain access to the Pope…..and say to him ‘help us against the anti-Semites and I will start a great movement for the free and honorable conversion of Jews to christianity.”
No googling!
Sid,
What I like about your analysis, is that it links the thinking and behaviour of anti-Zionist and wavering Israeli Jews today to their Jewish history and not to outside influences. If they had really become “Europeanised”, they would have adopted the Christianity of the dominant culture they came from, at least to a significant degree (which has certainly not been the case with Jews such as Bibi’s ancestors, who emigrated to Israel). What has happened instead, is that European Jewish intellectuals, such as Marx and Engels, joined with disaffected post-Christian intellectuals such as the Darwinists to forge a new internationalist, atheistic, self-hating counterculture in Europe and elsewhere.
What’s ironic about your theory, is that the self-loathing by apostate Jews, which you ascribe to their history of perceived inferiority, is effectively the same as the self-loathing of apostate Christians, which would by the same token be ascribed to their history of perceived superiority (hence, “white guilt”). This cannot be; so in this respect, I would say that there is a flaw in your theory. A simpler explanation would be that both these apostate Jews and apostate Christians have become disillusioned by the apparent failure of Messiah to come (or in the Christian case, to return).
We have to know where we came from before we can understand our present situation.
For almost 2000 years the Jews in exile in Europe were told by the locals that they were worthless scum.They were an inferior culture & religion which could not compare to Christianity & Europe’s high culture.But this,as bad as it was,wasn’t the worst part.The worst part was that the Jews believed it!
And thus was born the Ghetto Jew in the East & the Court Jew in the west.These Jews,especially in the east were a broken,shattered people beaten down by Europe.They had little if any fight & pride left to them.They would avoid a fight at all times & passively take a beating,thats what they were taught to do.When they asked their Rabbi how to fight,he would tell them instead to go daven.When they asked for relief from their misery they were told that the would get relief when the Mashiach came,till than continue to take the beatings.If you don’t believe me read Haim Nahman Bialik’s “the city of slaughter”.
What I am saying is that you can take the Jew out of Europe,but you can’t take Europe out of the Jew!When the prison doors started to open in the 19th century,the Jewish prisoners made a break for it.They ran in every direction to escape the Ghetto, to escape the Pogroms,to escape the Rabbis,& mostly to escape their Jewishness!To this day they run from their,to them,inferior status as Jews to The superior status as wannabe Europeans
What has this to do with present day Israel,everything!After being suppressed by Zionist principles for 3 or 4 generations the Guilt ridden,inferior & self loathing Ghetto Jew is resurfacing in Israel.This cultural insanity,in it’s various forms,is what is causing much of the turmoil in Israel today.We have leadership which,in their Ghetto mentality,are giving away the nation to the Arabs with very little fight.This leadership,in it’s fear,is frozen in place,never daring to use the advantages Israel has.
This is along the same lines as a jpost article.
How Palestinians will use GA to advance statehood.
The author lays out a dangerous scenario.
Why is this question still being asked?
Israel needs to boot Bibi.