I have long recognized that Israel, from the Mediterranean to the Jordan is better than the ’67 lines even it it means absorbing another 1.5 million Arabs as residents and ultimately citizens. But israelis prefer to give them autonomy.That’s why our government has been pushing autonomy. But rest assured that I and others have gone into annexation in great depth and concluded that we can do it and remain democratic and Jewish. Besides the Arabs, in their quest to destroy us will never accept autonomy. Once we convince Israelis we will have to convince the US and the EU. Ted Belman
by Uri Elitzur. Editor Makor Rishon, IsraelNationalNews.com
Not long ago, Shimon Peres was vehemently against a Palestinian state. Today, even Netanyahu supports the idea. A Palestinian state now is the worst possible scenario for Israel, and it will occur if we don’t have the courage to consider the following counter-proposal seriously: that is, a proposal that entails adding more than 1 million Arabs to Israel’s population.
Here are Shimon Peres’ own words: (in translation)
“If a separate Palestinian state is formed, it will be armed from top to bottom. It will be a base for the most extremist terror groups, who will have anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles, endangering not only passersby but every airplane or helicopter that uses Israeli air space, every vehicle on Israel’s major coastal highways. It is doubtful whether territorial depth provides deterrence. But the absence of minimal territorial depth leaves a state without any deterrence. This option in itself makes attacking Israel on all fronts irresistibly tempting…demilitarization of the West Bank is a questionable antidote: the problem is not the agreement to demilitarize, but whether the agreement will be honored. The number of agreements broken by the Arabs is not less than the number they have kept.”(“This Time Tomorrow”, Jerusalem 1978/ page 255.)
I did not quote this text to ridicule President Peres. It is common knowledge that until about 15 years ago, there was an across-the-board consensus against a Palestinian state. Ten years ago, the Labor party would not agree to put the idea on its platform. Today, everyone is for it. From Left to Right. Yet every word that Peres said is as true as it was then. Nothing has changed, except for Peres himself.
And Sharon. And Olmert. And Tzipi Livni. And Netanyahu. In short, everyone. In the Israeli political system, there is an overwhelming majority—from Chaim Oron (Meretz) to Netanyahu, including Foreign Minister Lieberman—that supports the establishment of a Palestinian state in principle.
In the international arena, there is not one politician who thinks otherwise, including Israel’s best and warmest friends.
How did this happen?
The answer is that time has run out for the temporary solution. Those on the right of the political map have always been asked what alternative they have to suggest, and they have never responded with the simple and self-evident answer that the present situation is the alternative. What is now is what should be. Is there anything simpler than that?
Not only didn’t Netanyahu say that, neither did Yaalon, nor did Yitzchak Shamir. All the Israeli right ever said for years is that there is no one to talk to on the other side. It’s not the result of faulty public relations. The fact is, that a democratic country ruling over an entire population that lacks civil rights can only be a temporary solution. And the famous saying that there is nothing more permanent than something that is temporary rings well, but is itself only true temporarily.
They are Afraid
Now that 44 years of ‘temporariness’ have passed, it is time to give a better answer than “not now”.
Everyone who realizes that Israel must continue to rule permanently in Judea and Samaria, if only to prevent the establishment of an armed and hostile Palestinian state, must realize that there is a heavy price involved: the annexation of the territory and all its residents. That means adding 1.25 million or 1.5 million Arabs to Israel. This price causes panic in Israel, causing Shimon Peres to be ready to agree to almost all the things he vehemently and eloquently disagreed to in the past. Everyone else, from Left to Right, follows in his footsteps. Lieberman suggests an interim agreement, as if he can delay decisions for somewhat longer. Perhaps a little bit more time can be gained, but the time for avoiding decisions has run out.
The result is that only one plan is on the table, and Israel has retreated from all its red lines under each and every government. Because when Israel says that separation is a matter of life and death, and the option of annexation causes total panic, there is nothing left about which to negotiate. You cannot bargain about prices with a customer, if your time is up and you admit that you have no other choice but to sell.
Israel has to decide whether to annex more than a million Arabs or to accept a Palestinian state under the most adverse conditions. These are the two options. If no one gets up and puts a suggestion for one state on the table, if Israelis are not able to weigh this option and its cost without going into hysterics, if they cannot rationally compare it with the cost of the opposing option, the result will be a Palestinian state.
It will be an armed and hostile state, that doesn’t recognize Israel as a Jewish state. It won’t be demilitarized, it won’t compromise on uprooting all the communities in its territory and it won’t sign a peace treaty with Israel. Israel’s demands and preconditions will erode bit by bit, just as the opposition to a Palestinian state did.
The number of Israeli Arabs is more or less equal to the number of Arabs in Judea and Samaria. If there are 10 Israeli Arab MK’s today, and if annexation of Judea and Samaria is a gradual process that takes place over 30 years, one can expect double the number of Arab MK’s at that point. This will not change Israel into a bi-national state.
If during those 30 years Israel passes Basic Laws that define Israel’s status as the state of the Jewish People, and if during that period there is a significant wave of aliyah, it will be easier to deal with the danger. It will be difficult. But the fear of putting the subject up for debate is out of all proportion, especially when the option of a Palestinian Hamas state from where rockets will be launched at Tel Aviv is much, much worse.
In general, fear is a very bad adviser, and in this case it is a repeat of the sin of 10 of the 12 spies in the Book of Numbers who told the Jews in the desert: “The people in the Promised Land are stronger than we are.”
Will we relinquish the land so as not to have to deal with a minority of 30 percent? Let’s do just the opposite. Let’s keep the land and let’s not act precipitously. We have faced far more difficult challenges successfully.
The Palestinian State train has already left the next-to-last station and is traveling full steam ahead. If there were a last stop, nothing could stop that train from getting there. However, the State of Israel can still be saved from the Palestinian state disaster because there is no last stop in existence. Abbas doesn’t want to reach an agreement. The Palestinians don’t want the small state they have been offered, and to their good fortune, Obama has given them a perfect excuse for not accepting it.
This is the time to raise the option described above and debate it openly and fearlessly, as our “Forum” magazine does this week.
Another word on peace
Those who have named themselves “The Peace Camp” are not really interested in peace with the Palestinians. They simply want to be rid of them, and to put them behind some sort of separation wall (as if that were possible). However, there are those who really want peace between Jews and Palestinians. They are the reason I have added the next few paragraphs.
It has finally become politically correct to call our ‘friend’ Husni Mubarak a corrupt dictator, and to admit that he wasn’t much of a friend to begin with. Everyone still says that the peace with Egypt is a strategic asset, but adds that its continuation is not clear. What has become painfully clear, however, is that the Egyptian masses do not find peace with Israel particularly attractive, and that the Egyptian elite and intelligentsia absolutely hate us passionately after 30 years of peace.
The peace with Jordan fares no better, and does not express the will of the people. This agreement is based on the will of a non-democratic regime’s interests, a regime which needs to preserve a cold peace with us in order to survive. If it ever becomes expedient for them to end that peace, that is what will happen. We did not succeed, not in Egypt and not in Jordan, to get the people interested in peace, to develop trade relations, to attract tourism, work opportunities, to be allowed to enjoy a unifying humus and pita snack in Cairo or Amman with the locals.
The only Arab population that we live with in real peace, for the most part without hostility and hatred, is the Israeli one. Not everything is rosy within Israel between Jews and Arabs. There is much to improve here as well, and there is also cause for worry, but despite that, the fact is that Israeli Arabs were on the side of our enemies in the 1949 War of Independence, but today they are citizens who study with us, join us, live with us in peace.
And they don’t want to lose their Israeli citizenship. This is not because of negotiations or ceremonial treaty signings. Had we tried negotiations with the Arabs living in the Galilee in 1949, we would still be at it. What brought about the only peace we have with an Arab population group in the Middle East was simply giving them Israeli citizenship.
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One can reduce the influence of the Arabs politically in Israel by changing the election system to regional representations which because of Arab clusters of population would reduce their representation in the Knesset by possibly half. The same could be said for the ultra religious but there too it could be a good thing both for the religious and the country. Annexing the territories would allow for unrestricted building and settlement all over the west bank and since in a representative democracy the principle of equal rights and equal civic obligations for all citizens should be the norm,I am sure every Arab would have no problem serving in the IDF, paying taxes, managing their communities on a fiscal and transparent basis. If not citizens rights can be reduced to the level of autonomy in major areas populated with a majority of Arabs. Since Arabs ignore all laws ours and theirs all illegal building not only must cease but all illegal Arab construction will met the same fate as Jewish illegal construction. Israel will assist any Arab willing to leave permanently.
Based on the above most will leave. First the professionals and the highly skilled and later the majority of the rest.
How do you measure? How do you know whether Nadya is doing more than Manhigut or that Manhigut is doing more than Nadya or that either is doing more than Ketzaleh or vice versa? Results? Nadya’s WIG has some patches of land in Netzer to show for it. Manhigut has been a constant influence on Knesset members and Likud Committee members to prevent even worse disasters that would have taken place. Ichud Leumi is similar but they don’t get to go into the bowels of the Likud to lessen the damage.
You obviously have no idea what time and effort many of these people and groups devote to trying to save us from ourselves in numerous ways.
So, what have you done for Israel lately? Show us the “results”! I thought so.
The side that can show results and the side whose tactics work best assuming we are all on the same side.
Latest Latma (not out with English subtitles yet). They get more humorously depressing as they go along.
Much of that video was taken on Tu B’shvat, outside of Elazar. On the same day, Manhigut had also organized a Tu B’shvat planting in Yehuda and Shomron.
Are you just trying to be Motzee Shem Rah?
Nadia and Moshe know each other very well. While they may disagree on tactics, they will both readily acknowledge they are on the same side.
Whose side are you on? Some times it’s hard to tell.
I recognized Nadia and Eldad but I think I missed Moshe Feiglin?
I talked to Martin Sherman yesterday about annexation and the question of citixenship. I said the preferred position is to give the Arabs autonomy only and thus avoid citizenship. But the Arabs won’t accept it because they want to destroy us.
He is a big proponent of offering money to the Arabs to leave. Even if it would take $100,000 per family to make it happen. Assuming there are 300,000 families in J&S and another 300,000 in Gaza the cost for each would be $30 billion.
It has been estimated that the cost of removing 100,000 Jews from J&S would reach $100 Billion.
And the good news is that we would own all the real estate if we annexed and it could be suded to finance the deal.
I vote for annexation and compensated emigration.
Meanwhile… throughout Israeli back yards…
Annex and … die even sooner!
You wrote:
“Those on the right of the political map have always been asked what alternative they have to suggest, and they have never responded with the simple and self-evident answer that the present situation is the alternative.”
I have written you several times: Israel with more Muslims becomes closer to its suicide! And any Judeo-Christian country with more Muslims gets closer to its suicide!
The real goal must be to rid of Islam in Israel completely! Even one Muslim in Israel is too much!
How?
A big war will happen – must happen! – anyway.
http://www.resonoelusono.com/Imminent.htm
As a result of the big one, Judea and Samaria will be annexed in a real sense, meaning that all Moslems will be deported elsewhere into their Islamic Crapistans. And Islam in Israel will be banned forever. Those Mu-u-u-uslims who are not happy will leave.
Until the big war starts, we should keep status quo, and take measures to minimize the number of Muslims inside, and to well isolate Israel from the Muslims outside.
It is extremely important to confront the numerous critics of Israeli policies. Here is a good example of an effective counter argument.
“Sudetenland/Czechoslovakia.” Bibi just used this one, Sharon once used it – it freaks people out completely. You tell them that everybody’s pressuring Israel to give up the West Bank for peace just like they pressured Czechoslovakia in 1938 to give up the Sudetenland for peace, and just let it sink in. Let your audience fill in the blanks. If Sudetenland equals the West Bank, and Czechoslovakia equals Israel, Nazi Germany equals…the Palestinians! Your audience is seeing Nazis when they think of Palestinians, and all you’ve mentioned is Sudetenland and Czechoslovakia! Just make sure not to go straight into the pitch about how Israel wants to make peace with the Palestinians, because it’s not going to be very convincing – Israel wants to make peace with Nazis? So put at least 10 or 15 minutes of shpiel between the Sudetenland thing and the peace thing. The lefties MUST be taught where the truth lies, even if we are not totally truthful in doing so.
Please learn about theJewish peoples legal rights to all of israel from the Jordan river to the meditteranean sea.
Howard Grief : the legal foundations ANC borders of israel u deer international law. Amazon.com
Mythsandfactsfacts.org. Eli hertz
San remo accords 1920 1922 1924
The Arabs got the entire middle east and the Jews gor this sliver of land between the Jordan and the Mediterranean sea. We were supposed to get Jordan too. We keep giving away more and more. This was recognized by the world legally irrevocably. Recognized by the Arabs too. It is time to start redefining the narrative.
would the UN and the lefties then move on to demonizing someone else?
deport them to where? no one wants the ones they have.
You are partly correct: Israel cannot safely permit the existence of a Palestinian state in the West Bank. But neither can she safely permit an additional million plus Arabs as voting citizens. Therefore, Israel must annex the entire West Bank and either (1) deny the Arabs any voting rights in Israel, or (2) deport them all.
This may sound unpleasant, but (Arab attitudes being what they are) it is the only solution.
Reasons the U.S. government won’t move the U.S. embassy to J’Salem:
1. The U.S. State Department is completely hostile towards Israel; has been since the crumbling of the British empire.
2. Moving the U.S. embassy to J’Salem when the world is working so hard to delegitimize Israel?
3. Two faced and duplicitous U.S. government would never want to upset the Arabs and thereby threaten access to the oil proving that our principles and loyalties are completely for sale.
Israel needs to annex the entire West Bank. Offer the occupants citizenship, if they refuse that , then exile the whole lot of them. Either you are a part of us, or you don’t exist. It’s as simple as that. As far as Huckabee is concerned; every presidential contender and the Presidents themselves have promised to move the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, and in fact it has been mandated by Congress many years ago, and the embassy is still in Tel Aviv. Huckabee can promise all he wants, it is delivering that really counts, and I doubt seriously that he can deliver.
Mike Huckabee doesn’t support a “palestinian” state, neither do Christian Zionists, Evangelicals or myself.
Here’s a new peace initiative.
Stupid Jews.