By Ted Belman
Long after the creation of Kosovo was a done deal made necessary by the “war crimes” of the Serbs, Felix Quigley, aided by Nathan Pearlstein and Robert Peter North, educated me and our readers for over a year and a half on the propaganda campaign throughout the world, that labelled the Serbs the bad guys and which lead to the bombing of Serbia by NATO..
As a result I came to believe that not only was there no Srebrenica Massacre but that the Serbs were simply defending against jihad and Clinton was at fault for siding with the Jihadists.
My fear was that this was a harbringer of things to come in Israel.
Furthermore, we learned of the probability that the nice Muslims of Kosovo were really drug dealers and slave traffickers.
American Thinker had an article yesterday in which they describe the aftermath.
[..] In addition, Europe’s problems have been worsened by American policies in the Balkans of the past 15 years. This is true in three important respects:
* Our mismanagement of Bosnia
* Our intervention in Kosovo
* Our policy of defaming our traditional Serb allies while ignoring the incredible mafia criminality and anti-Christian destructiveness of Albanian and Bosnian Islamic extremismThe extent of infiltration of Islamic organized crime from Albania and Bosnia into Europe is staggering. This is ignored or excused by the powerful Albanian lobby in America’s Northeast and in Congress. To be fair, some in Congress, such as Congressman Dan Burton of Indiana, are alert to the situation, and a fresh look is being taken at our Balkan policy within the State Department.
The Bosnia Imbroglio
President Clinton imported Al Qaeda from Afghanistan into Bosnia to counter Slobodan Milosevic, a decision facilitated in part by Madeleine Albright’s vitriolic, personal hatred of Serbs, which significantly skewed our foreign policy. We did not betray the Poles, Hungarians, Romanians, and Bulgarians, all of whom had more reactionary communist regimes than the former Yugoslavia. The irony is that Serbs rid themselves of Milosevic without Washington’s help and turned him over to the Hague.
The attempt to combine the three major ethnic groups in Bosnia into one state has failed. Serbs have defensively created Republica Srpska. The Croats, who have tried accommodation with the radical Islamist leadership, have decided they have had enough. They recently asked Russia to intervene in the Security Council to stabilize their situation in the face of radical Islamist undermining of their status in the Bosnian federation.
I have carefully read the 700 pages of The Clinton Tapes by Taylor Branch. The book is based on 79 two-hour interviews, often late at night, as President Clinton sought over the years during his administration to freshly recount events of the day or of previous days.
It is remarkable how little understanding is reflected in these tapes about the history of the Balkans, especially of the strong Christian heritage in Bosnia and Kosovo and the attempts by the Ottoman Empire to restrict Christianity by forced conversions to Islam through the kidnapping of Serbian boys (who became the famed Janissaries), by brutality, and by discriminatory economic policies.
Nor was there even a hint of anxiety or regret at what his importing of Al Qaeda into Bosnia was causing as they settled down, married Bosnian women, and began the process of imposing Islamic radicalism on Bosnia, which had become significantly secular since the expulsion of the Ottomans from Europe after World War I.From Bosnia and Kosovo we now have one of the largest and most virulent drug cartels in the world, the worst of white slavery and prostitution trafficking into Europe, and terrorist training compounds. (Several of the 9/11 hijackers spent time in Bosnia among their Al Qaeda compatriots.) It is fascinating that some, including Boutros Boutros-Ghali, former Secretary-General of the UN, wanted to re-establish Christianity as the dominant culture in the Balkans against the rising radical Islamic tide, a proposal that never got off the ground.
It is scarcely credible, but nevertheless true, that the Clinton Administration ignored the Islamic Declaration by Alija Izetbegovi?, former president of Bosnia and Herzegovina, in which he clearly urged Islamists in Bosnia and worldwide to take up jihad against the West. Instead they regarded him as “their boy,” ignoring the proliferating terrorist cells in Bosnia.
The Devastation of Kosovo
The silence of the West about the expulsion of Serbs, Romanies and other non-Albanians from Kosovo, the terrorizing of the remaining Serbs, and the destruction and desecration of literally hundreds of churches, monasteries, cemeteries and other Christian landmarks, some of which are medieval treasures, is a tribute to the West’s allowing some of the worst vandalism and repression of the Christian faith in modern times.
There are more churches, monasteries and other Christian landmarks per square kilometer in Kosovo than anywhere else on earth. Kosovo is to Serbian Orthodox Christians what Canterbury is to Anglicans and the Vatican to Roman Catholics. But Christian Orthodox populations are expendable in the political maneuvering of Western politicians.
The latest bombshell is the Council of Europe’s recently adopted report from Dick Marty that Kosovo leaders, including Prime Minister Hashim Thaci, are complicit in crime, including organ trafficking. There is now a strenuous effort to sweep the body parts issue under the rug lest it torpedo efforts to legitimize the illegally mandated separation of Kosovo from Serbia. The data are horrific: Serbian captive youths were selected on the basis of genetic compatibility for killing in order to harvest saleable body parts.
The Marty report confirms allegations by prosecutor Carla del Ponte, of the Hague International War Crimes Tribunal, first published in 2008 (some say even earlier, in 2003). Human Rights Watch has called on the European Union Rule of Law Mission in Kosovo to appoint a special prosecutor based outside Kosovo to investigate Marty’s findings. But there is an insuperable obstacle to effective judicial proceedings: Kosovo is tiny, and it is almost impossible to shelter witnesses, should they come forward. Testifying would mean signing a death warrant against oneself and one’s entire family.
Few in America recognize that in the Balkans we are reaping the whirlwind of recent policy errors. In Samuel Huntington’s words, we are indeed witnessing the clash of civilizations. But our adversary is not an identifiable state enemy. The strategy is to insinuate a minority Islamist population into a culture and allege discrimination while practicing it. Once they gain status or power they turn on their hosts.
In America today one cannot even begin to discuss the issues. On April 25, 2008, at the Association for the Study of the Middle East and Africa, Bernard Lewis, professor emeritus of Near Eastern Studies at Princeton University, warned that there is:
a degree of thought control and limitations of freedom of expression without parallel in the Western world since the 18th century … Islam and Islamic values now have a level of immunity from comment and criticism in the Western world that Christianity has lost and Judaism has never had.
The West is attempting to now create a Palestinian state and advancing the notion of their “legitimate rights”. It wants to carve Israel up just as it carved Serbia.
If you want to read the posts us that convined us of the alternate reality, then do a search on Israpundit of Srebrenica or Kosovo.
Felix, I believe you foolishly have delusions of adequacy. Why? Because you spend the rest of your post proving that I am not foolish at all – just the opposite.
Some glimmer of light in the fog.
1. While it may be too late to annex the West Bank and Golan unless it is attacked again, Israel should refuse to even talk about “negotiations” with adversaries who have a) never accepted its right to exist as a Jewish state while they are all Muslim states, and b) actively tried to eliminate them by force for 64 years now.
2. Has anyone noticed that no one at the UN or the Obama administration is functioning with what I have said in Item 1 as context? This is a massive PR failure of successive Israeli governments and of Jews in general. Any talk of negotiations should IMMEDIATELY be countered with a copy of the Hamas Charter and an invitation to the talker to “Call us when they, Fatah, Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad all formally and publically change their charters to accept us as a Jewish state and renounce violence against us, and we will then see if we still want to talk to them.”
Don’t blame just Bibi. Unlike Barak and Livni and Rabin, I believe he is simply playing the smoke and mirrors game because he knows that the intransigence of the Palis means he will never be called on it.
a) Start by getting the NY Times and Washington Post to publish the Hamas Charter to show what Israel has been faced with since Day One.
b) Make sure the J Street and AIPAC morons have read the Hamas Charter – it may perm their hair.
c) Get Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity and Greta Van Susteren to discuss what the Hamas Charter means for Israel on Fox News because no other TV channel will. Don’t leave Glenn Beck out to dry as the only one who will talk about such inconvenient things. Not only does he confront the entire Soros machine, he also has some on this forum who continue to libel him, after admitting they don’t even follow his program consistently. They should at least read his latest book, “Broke” before they spout off. The rest should be on the lookout for such moles who pretend to support Israel but serve as “useful idiots” to weaken it, intentionally or unintentionally.
It is useful to remember this in relation to American Eagle:
In fact in the midst of much AE bravura “basura” he does say a few good things:
There is thus this one point by AE that sticks in my mind.
He says that Israel annexed East Jerusalem
That it did not annex Judea and Samaria. That therefore Israel created this state of uncertainty
This above all was the very worst thing to do. A state of uncertainty is fatal.
If AE said not another word then his contribution would be worthwhile.
Unless we can solve this problem then we cannot go forward. We must solve this.
1. Judea and Samaria are along with Jerusalem the heart of the biblical Jewish story
2. To preserve its nation then Jews must not allow an enemy to create a state on or in that area
Judaism and Jewish nationalism are very closely interconnected, in history, in the present and in the future
I believe that Karl Marx made a mistake on this issue but it is a mistake that many for their own sectional interests have made too much of. I do know that Karl Marx in his report of his visit to Jerusalem in 1852 far from being scornful was sympathetic to Jews and Judaism
We have to resist this hatred of religion which exists in the world today
Notice that this hatred is a hatred of Christians and a hatred of Jew, of Christianity and of Judaism
But not of Islam and of Muslims
This means that something else has been working in the situation. We have to identify what that something else is.
On a theoretical and philosophical level Marx opposed the concept of religion, meaning the supernatural.
But on his visit to Jerusalem he was totally sympathetic and supportive towards Jews and Judaism and very opposed to Muslims and Islam
These “little” issues have been thoroughly scrubbed out of history
This seems to come to a head in our present.
Note these two things
Note that the Arabs have sold the victim narrative of the “Palestinians” successfully, we have to say successfully
Note that the Jewish people have not sold their narrative, especially the critical 1948 war and the equally critical 1967 war
AE has asked the Jewish people and Israel to grow up and I think he is quite right on this
Of course the US elite have been gunning for Israel from the word go, and the British ever since the start of the Mandate in 1922
But not the American people, not really the British or Irish people either.
AE had in fact performed a very useful function in these remarks
Jews should stop whining about the perfidy of Albion and the even worse perfidy of the American elite, who after all had important sections (Ford, Prescott Bush) in alliance with the Nazis and the Holocaust
Why not take that as a given, treat these elites as the enemy, draw up your strategy based on that
The Jews in Israel and in the Diaspora have had so much going for them and they have always tended to waste it.
They have kept on moaning about the perfidy of the elite and have forgotten the hundreds of millions of the ordinary Americans
That these ordinary Americans
1. Love Israel and love Jews
2. That they also hate Islam
3. That they have a long history of antagonism to their own elite
The problem has been that the Jewish elites have forgotten about these ordinary people and their love for Jews and Israel and have always ignoring them made a bee line to suck up to the rotten leaders at the top
Having identified the problem what needs to be done.
There began a few months ago a new site in Ireland called Irish4Israel.com
It made immediately a fatal mistake. It thought that defence of Israel is a defence of the Israeli elite and its policies/programme.
In fact a defence of Israel can only be in conflict with that Israeli elitist leadership
Take the issue of Islam towards Israel.
Its mortal enemy…right!
The forces of Islam want tlo kill all Jews
So then ask a question: What has been the position of the Israeli Government and the Israeli elite towards the building of the rauf Mosque on Ground Zero
And you will find no position…silence.
The Israeli Government kis still currying favour with the American elite, with the Bloombergs
Netanyahu went across to talk to Obama in the White House. Obama broke off to have supper with his wife and children and told the Israeli delegation to have an answer when he got back. Netanyahu entered through the tradesman door
All that the Israelis had to do was to issue a statement, issue many statements, to the world media, and to get on that dammed plane that very evening
THAT SIMPLE ACTION WOULD HAVE CHANGED THE SITUATION TOTALLY
AND IN FAVOUR OF ISRAEL
AND THE ISRAELI STATE WOULD HAVE BECOME PRECIOUS IN THE EYES OF ALL AMERICAN PEOPLE, ORDINARY PEO`PLE WHO LOVE ISRAEL ANYWAY
The things that have to be done are not big things, they are often simple little things really
Mrs Clinton is all the time talking about Jews building on “settlements” and she includes Jerusalem in this as well as Judea and Samaria
What does Netanyahu Answer?
He answers by talking about having a peace partner and by agreeing with the Palestinian Muslims creating a state on that very area.
As AE says wrong move
As AE says totally the responsibility of the Israeli leaders, and the Jews who elect those leaders
Not the responsibility of the Irish, or British or American people
How can or could the Irish respond or fight for Israel and the defeat of Islam in the Middle East when the Israeli leadership will not fight for Israel in the first place against those very Muslims
The big fight for the Jews against antisemitism has to be fought in every country on earth, because antisemitism is universal, but it does have to start in Israel, among the Jews themselves.
There is general agreement on this AE position on Israpundit, on Jihadwatch, on Atlas Shrugs, on Newsmax I am sure, on Sultan Knish and on many other places
Do not get waylaid on sectional and relatively unimportant arguments
Find the way to put this into action
I do not want to enter into it here but just to say that the reading of Einstein above is wrong, never from nothing, always from something.
I wish to return to vital issues which were raised earlier.
In comment 9 above AE writes:
It is hard to know where to start here.
The soldiers who fought in Iraq probably in the majority thought so.
It is possible even George Bush Jnr. thought so
That is that he would bring “democracy” to Iraq
He said so often but there is a problem in general in what people say and what they do.
There are other forces such as Zbigniew Brzezinski who seek a stategic alliance with Islam and this guy has been fairly consistent in US affairs since Carter
Since Saddam was the bitterest enemy of all of the Iranian Mullahs there is the strong body of opinion which is getting close to certainty that Saddam was an important block to the advances of Iran
And that the war which removed Saddam has proved very costly to Israel and to all national minorities such as the Kurds even, I would argue very harmful to the Kurds in the long run, and above all as far as Israel is concerned, with the growth of Hamas and Hizbullah, and the new ascent of Qaradawi in Egypt, possibly Libya and Tunisia, a very serious blow against Israel
After the event people like Bush can argue intentions
But the road to hell has always been paved with good intentions.
Speculation in the absence of direct evidence.
Not true. They are pure speculation.
Look it up yourself. This is all public information.
See Christopher Wright, Deuteronomy NIBC (Peabody, Massachusetts: Hendrickson, 1996): 6.
You made this statement and didn’t mention scientific proof here, You claim modern biblical scholars, so name them with links to their positions.
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What is circumstantial? You didn’t watch the clips did you? You bullshitting phony, Watch the Clips they are 100% scientific.
From now on you had better back up with your big mouth because I am prepared to bury you with substantiated data from sources you can’t refute.
By the way who was Bushes last treasury secretary? Where did he work before Bush brought him into his government? Who got much of the original bailouts and who has subsequently been cleaning up?
No, there is no scientific proof that God exists. It is a faith belief.
This is known as circumstantial evidence; it is not direct scientific evidence.
Well actually there is scientific proof.
You use sophistry as an argument but then using same I can say that there is no scientific evidence that god doesn’t exist. What scientific evidence we do have today points conclusively to a supernatural creation. That’s at least half the proof positive.
Big Bang (ex nihilo)! Einstein confirmed with E = mc2
All matter, all physical existence began with light beams or energy.
Proof of God
Genesis & The Big Bang Theory –
Everything you write is your opinion based on blind faith. None of it can be confirmed by science.
It would have to start with some scientific evidence of the existence of a supernatural being, whom you would call G-d.
I differentiate between scientific facts that can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt, and faith which would include a belief that God exists. There is no academic dispute as to this difference.
Biblical scholars are not scientists. There is no scientific proof that God exists – only circumstantial evidence and beliefs based on faith.
Interesting theory but that’s not science either just opinions. I would be interested in knowing how the scientific method can be applied to biblical criticism. Since those critics you refer to and apparently accept as truth, have as many biblical scholars if not more who reject their theories and contentions, it still remains academically contentious and certainly not science maybe pseudo-science but not science.
Give me your best shot proving that the Jewish bible is a scientific fallacy and man made creation and I will counter your sources in kind with the most reputable biblical scholars in refuting your contentions. Take this if you wish as a challenge, like put up or shut up!
While you may believe because of your faith and what you have been brainwashed into believing by your Rabbis that these are the words of God given to Moses, modern biblical scholars see it as the work of many authors, probably originating during religious reforms carried out under king Josiah.
These are beliefs based on faith, not science. You can make any claim you choose based on faith. Because Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all religions that trace their origins to Abraham, they share many common faith beliefs.
I haven’t undermined anything – just explained the difference between faith and science.
This is the verse upon which I and all Jews base our contention of national revelation. It’s G-d’s challenge to us and you.
I don’t know of any Christian sect, cult or denomination that refutes this (our claim) Islam also accepts our claim as well.
You don’t? Good, you have then undermined the foundations of both Christianity and Islam.
I guess this what the Rabbis are teaching you guys. It’s actually very sad, even pathetic, to be so insecure that one has to insult and denigrate what someone else believes about his or her Creator. Yamit is so terrified of the harmless Christian missionaries that he likened the poor woman who was murdered by Muslim terrorists not too long ago in Israel to a terrorist. Tsk, tsk, tsk. I guess he thinks his fellow Jews are not secure enough to talk to a Christian missionary without converting.
This guy Yamit calls himself an observant Jew yet doesn’t even seem to know that there is only one God and each Abrahaminical religion refers to HIM by different names, the Jews call him Hashem or G-d, the Muslims call him Allah and the Christians simply call him Lord or God.
Some of you folks don’t even seem to know that the Torah was not written by God but by men – the old Prophets and other holy men who wrote down their faith beliefs, dreams, inspirations and other “revelations” – heavy on fire, brimstone, often-picayune rules and regulations that have little to do with teaching and inspiring members to be better people here on earth, and vengeance.
The Jewish followers of Christ wrote their own New Testament, long on love, redemption and forgiveness just as Jesus taught.
Muhammad wrote the Qu’ran, which is a hodge-podge of sense and paranoid nonsense.
Actually, none of what is in these holy books can be confirmed or proven by science. It takes FAITH to be a true believer. I expect Yamit will now respond with the same old rationalizations starting with the 3 million people and other creative explanations.
Total Bull Shit: Allah: try moon god it is more exact and theologically correct.
AmEagle: Attempting to deodorize a semi fascist regime such as the Milisov’s Serbia just won’t work. We are all not that stupid. Apparently, felix is now dating a Sebian hottie and he is madly in love with everything Serb.
Michael, Please see No. 5 above, where I have made the same point.
As you will also see in No. 29 above, there are some Jews who will always believe the worst when it comes to Muslims and seem unable to focus on only those who are running around terrorizing people, as if there were not enough of the latter.
It always amazes me when some Jews, who have been the victims of false stereotyping for eons, turn around and do the same thing to others.
I will do this right after I finish learning about Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.
No, she’s not. What she has written does not fit all the facts as I have shown in my response to her.
Linda,
I am a lifelong practicing Christian. What you have written is the equivalent of Holocaust denial. Please don’t confuse what the Yugoslavians did during WW-II and the documented rapes and massacres of Muslims more recently by the Serbs and Croats.
Poppycock. If this were true the US would not have been spending BILLIONS each and every year to confront Muslim terrorists and in helping Israel and unconditionally guaranteeing its survival.
This was supposedly written by Jeremiah, not by Allah. BTW, Allah is what the Muslims call God, the same God whom you refer to as G-D, as if HE cares whether you spell his name properly or not.
Israel needs to grow up. You don’t seem to realize how geopolitics works. Why would someone else having a conniption bother you, when they are concurrently giving you all kinds of aid and guaranteeing your survival?
I have already explained to you in No. 28 how Israel’s selective annexation and building on areas that ISRAEL HAVE CONCEDED MAY NOT BE THEIRS creates confusion among supporters while giving the enemy what sounds like a legitimate grievance.
The trick is to listen and then continue to do your own thing. That’s what the Palis do, and, pretty soon no one even seems to remember that it is THEY who are the obstacle to any peaceful solution.
AE
Very good answer. But you need to start learning about “Empire” and if you read
http://wedefendisrael.com/2011/02/24/somehow-the-israeli-jewish-zionist-movement-must-tear-itself-away-from-empire-raimondo-is-really-a-supporter-of-empire/
And in an article being published this morning we will go into more detail on this
You see Linda is both correct in the above and yet does not provide the key to the puzzle, and the key is why?
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The problem is that your government is having a conniption because of building in Jerusalem. We get as much, if not more grief from building in Jerusalem than J & S.
US/NATO took the side of KLA barbaric Muslim terrorists against Christian Serbs, waging a merciless war against the Serbs in the 1990’s. During the Second World War, the Christian Serbs rescued and hid hundreds of American military and allies and this is how America paid the brave Serbs back. An entire Serb village was horribly put to death for refusing to divulge the hiding place of the Americans and allies.
For years, the U.S. has armed and given, and continues to give, advanced military training to the Palestinian Authority security services. A US trained Muslim terrorist told journalist, Aaron Klein, that all of the U.S. training is used against Israelis. They are America’s proxy army against the Jewish people.
When will people understand that US and Western leaders have an intense hate for Judaism and Christianity? And that they prefer barbaric Muslim terrorists? A day is coming when Christians and Jews will be severely persecuted in our countries by our governments.
G-D judges individuals and He judges nations. G-D will never forgive the constant treachery by American leaders against vulnerable little Israel. Read Jeremiah 50-51. It is a description of America. Why would G-D bring down such terrifying and dreadful judgments against America? Read Jeremiah 51:24.
What do you mean “How’s that working out”??? It is working out just as it would have worked out if Israel had annexed all the territory it acquired while defending itself. It is part of the un-ending status quo which will only end when hell freezes over based on what the Palestinians want.
Israel should not care what the Palestinians want, because they have no logical reason to care about anyone who hasn’t even accepted their right to exist as they want to.
There is a nuanced legal difference between land that has been openly annexed and land that has been deemed “negotiable”. In the case of the former Israel can defend the right to build because it considers East Jerusalem as part of Israel. In the case of the West Bank, it cannot with a straight face, because it has tacitly agreed that the land on which the settlements are being built may not be theirs. They made matters worse for their own case when they withdrew from Gaza and gave up the settlements there.
Ok lets say that I accept your argument. Wasn’t the eastern part of Jerusalem annexed? Hows that working out?
Felix,
I have no idea what “Empire” you are talking about but you are right about the American people, which is why even Imam Obama cannot go too far in favoring the Palestinians and pressuring Israel.
Whether Israelis agree with this or not, American foreign policy has followed the original 1947 format of a two state solution to the competing claims of both sides. India and Pakistan were also partitioned at about the same time and there, both sides accepted the basic partition and everyone moved on.
If the Arabs had accepted Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state back then, you would have had a two state solution because the Jewish founders of Israel had accepted that concept. Unfortunately for the peace of the world, the Arabs have refused to accept Israel, then and now, which is why you have the ongoing conflict because the rest of the world has not accepted the fact that the Arabs have no intentions of accepting any solution that includes Israel.
The problem for the rest of the world becomes more complicated because Israel has insisted in building and expanding settlements in areas that they have conceded are “negotiable”. From an unbiased POV, how do you legally build settlements in areas that you have conceded may not be yours in any final settlement? Thus Israel gets painted as being intransigent.
It would have been far better if Israel had annexed everything it acquired while defending itself in 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973, deported anyone who did not accept Israeli residency, and then had a more favorable status quo than you have now. Then it could have built as many settlements as it wanted pending the mythical “negotiations” and never-ending peace process which would have dragged on indefinitly – as it is doing even now – because of the real intransigence of the Palestinians.
I have brought a revolutionary communist,a card carrying Bircher and a Christian bible spouting Christian anti-Semite together in common cause. Sort of reflects in microcosm what we Jews are really up against. All in their own way claim to be pro Israel but hate Jews.
Is that what you call your cerebellum?
AE
There is a real trut in what you are saying in relation to Yamit82 and his general position on things. But I need to separate from you on a vital issue
You write above:
Israel has no other allies, yet you work tirelessly to drive a wedge between it and the USA, often with deliberate falsehoods, misrepresentations and exaggerations as we see in No. 7 above. You are a destructive mole who pretends to be pro-Israel. Israel would be weakened and alone if it were up to you and your fellow-anti-Israelis who belong to Hamas. Your attitudes towards the US are indistinguishable in their effect on Israel.
Yes, that is definitely true, Yamit82 does work to drive that wedge.
The problem in what you say is this:
It is clear that the Empire, with US elite leading that Empire, really hate Jews, that is the sum of it all, and aim to enable Islam to destroy their mortal enemies the Jews and Israel.
Nothing else makes sense, especially to the role of Empire in creating a Sharia “Palestine” Jew free state on the flank of Israel.
But the American Empire is not the whole of America. The great American people love Israel.
You do not make that clear in your comments
You are right about Yamit82 but you do not address this disconnect or tension between the great American people and the evil Empire which sits on top. Can you comment please on this point?
Ted Belman:
Ted, why are you doing this to me? I just spent twenty-five minutes, rolling on the floor laughing. My tummy is aching terribly. That is awful for my health. I just had my appendix removed.
AE. Cut the “deliberate falsehoods” crap. Yamit is a man of integrity. He doesn’t lie. He just sees things differently and has a different calculus. You are back to your disgusting habit of attacking people. Just say you disagree with someone and then say in what way and make your case.
Nonsense. You may have succeeded in fooling Yonatan and Rongrand, but not me.
Israel has no other allies, yet you work tirelessly to drive a wedge between it and the USA, often with deliberate falsehoods, misrepresentations and exaggerations as we see in No. 7 above. You are a destructive mole who pretends to be pro-Israel. Israel would be weakened and alone if it were up to you and your fellow-anti-Israelis who belong to Hamas. Your attitudes towards the US are indistinguishable in their effect on Israel.
You are both anti-Christianity and anti-Christian as you proved with your comments about the missionary woman who was killed by Muslim terrorists, whom to likened to a terrorist simply for being a harmless missionary.
Hi, Yamit
I’ll let Yonatan and American Eagle battle it out with each other. You bring up a couple of interesting points. I’ll address the second first: You note that the Russians, besides their ongoing overtures toward Iran, are in the process of supplying Syria (and ultimately Hizbullah) with missles. How do you expect Israel to forge an alliance with a country that is blatantly aiding its enemies? Israel has enough trouble with the US’s duplicitous foreign policy. In this world of self-interested opportunist nations, I can foresee Israel having a good covert relationship with Lieberman’s former countrymen; and Russia’s interest in Israel’s gas fields would further sweeten the deal; but giving the Syrians cruise missles? As you said, they ARE troublemakers!
Now, for the earlier thing you said:
I see the same economic trouble ahead that you see, Yamit. What you might be missing, is that great nations in their last throes are at their most dangerous. France was soundly beaten by the British in 1763, and its economy collapsed into the revolution of 1789; but Napoleon rose from the ashes to become a very real threat to the whole world. Germany, likewise, was humiliated in 1919. losing its overseas empire and plunging into hyperinflation and economic ruin. Out of THOSE ashes came Hitler, again a peril to the whole earth.
The numbers ARE impressive, as you admit; and the world is impressed by them. The Moslems have been doing what they can, to make the US seem less impressive; but despite our having lost the title of having the tallest building in the world, Osama bin Laden is still skulking about from hideout to hideout while Obama moves about and parties openly. If the Iranians were actually able to hit one of our carriers, that would be a propaganda coup; but the US has it well within its power to make a devastating example of Iran in response. The REAL failing of America, is that it may be too bound by its own foolishness and not do so. In counting on this, though, the Iranians are making an extremely high stakes gamble.
For the sake of this topic, though, I maintain what I said before: The Russians are in no better position to significantly help Libya today, that they were able to help Yugoslavia in the 1990s. Geography is against them, along with an awesomely powerful NATO.
I am not anti-American, I am pro Israel, a distinction with a difference. You are too stupid to get the point and you are stupid. You are not pro Israel and I am not anti Christian just anti Christianity another distinction with a difference. Take this
Was your brother an only child?
American Eagle,
We cross-posted: I hadn’t seen that you already refuted Yamit. As for Yamit being a mole, you are the first one I’ve seen come out and say that. I have often contended that Yamit’s stances undermine Israel; but to this day I do not consider him a mole. He is simply a Jew; and Jews throughout history are famous for ignorantly and zealously undermining their own interests.
In your post, you said,
You are correct, in saying the US is Israel’s only [above-board] ally. Israel also conducts serious business and exercises with other countries, such as India; but even India has taken a consistently anti-Israeli stance in the UN. That said, the US, while outwardly friendly to Israel, has worked for years to undermine it. The recent Obama moves in Egypt and elsewhere are, unfortunately, only a continuation of untrumpeted American activities against Israel, dating back to Modern Israel’s beginnings during the Truman Administration.
I don’t know whether or not you are a student of the Bible. I accept the New Testament, which Yamit does not; so I read prophecies such as those in the Book of Revelation with the ease of faith. Dogmatic Jews have a harder time of this, even though there is nothing in Revelation that is not simply an updating and amalgamation of prophecies in Daniel and Ezekiel. Daniel 7 reads:
This beast of Daniel is described as one of the seven heads in a greater beast — a “beast of beasts”, if you will:
Concerning this beast, it says earlier in Revelation,
If you take the head that was wounded to death to be the “dreadful and terrible” beast of Daniel, the revived head is the resurrection of the Roman Empire, or Europe. In the end times, one of the European nations rises up: It starts as a very little bud, then becomes so great it overthrows three of the powerful kings of Europe. America started out as small colonies, then muscled out the countries of Europe to become a great nation — the greatest, in fact, in the world, as I amply pointed out in my previous post.
The US is so powerful, in fact, that people can justifiably say, “Who is like unto the Americans? who is able to make war with them?
It’s interesting to me, that the eighth “head” was not a king, like the previous seven and the ten: it is the “beast itself”. Now, a head “leads” a body; but in this case, it is the body that leads itself: The eight “head” is a democracy, or perhaps democracy itself: It is mankind, led by the United States, expressing its own will in making war against God’s people.
After the Moslems have exhausted themselves in their futile effort to destroy Israel, the last battle will be between the people of God and their own kin.
Oat I never said America did not have assets and on par they are truly awesome.
I fear you are too impressed with numbers. A carrier is he most vulnerable piece of rust-bucket in military warfare. Missiles from land, sea or aircraft at 50km can accurately hit a moving target. A few 10000 dollar missiles can put a multibillion dollar craft out of action if not sink her.
Can you see in the coming years America being able to support such an expensive military? I can’t and the American people wont stand for it not when social security and Medicare is being reduced. Even if America decided to drill massively today it would take 3-5 years for new oil to come on line.
Russia will never be Americas equal economically or military but to cause trouble and to deter America they don’t have to be. A broke America will not be able to influence or dictate anything to anyone except maybe Israel. Russian weapons may be inferior to America’s but they are generally good enough and cost a 1/4 of what America’s cost. Israeli upgrades to Russian weapons should make them equal to Americas.
Russia after the collapse of USSR was so broke they had to fire sale all of their industry to smart oligarchs. They could not do anything at the time to help Serbia but as I have said they will given an opportunity stick it to America. Little by litle they are recouping lost influenc and past strategic positions in the ME.
MOSCOW: Russia announced Saturday that it intended to fulfil its contract to supply Syria with cruise missiles despite the turmoil shaking the region and the furious condemnation of the deal by Israel.
“The contract is in the implementation stage,” news agencies quoted Defence Minister Anatoly Serdyukov as saying.
Russia initially agreed to send a large shipment of anti-ship Yakhont cruise missiles to Syria in 2007 under the terms of a controversial deal that was only disclosed by Serdyukov in September 2010.
The revelation infuriated both Israel and the United States and there had been speculation that Russia would decide to tear up the contract amid the current turmoil plaguing north Africa and the Middle East.
Israel — which is still technically in a state of war with Syria and fears its close ties with Iran — suspects that the shipment is ultimately aimed at supplying Hezbollah militants in neighbouring Lebanon. MORE
Poppycock. Regardless of whether you are Jews or not I will strenuously oppose and expose those of you moles who pretend to support Israel but a) propose actions that would achieve the exact opposite and b) oppose Americans who are proven supporters of Israel.
More poppycock. Israel’s survival depends on a strong and vibrant America. Anyone who thinks Israel can go it alone is intellectually bankrupt at best, and an insidious enemy of Israel at worst.
Yamit does not have the ability to damage America – but he does have the ability to damage Israel if he can get more Israelis to agree with his bigoted anti-Christian and destructive anti-American way of thinking.
Check also this:
http://www.hirhome.com/yugo/kosovo_junger.htm
http://www.hirhome.com/yugo/freezer1.htm
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55467
http://www.biu.ac.il/SOC/besa/perspectives35.html
http://emperors-clothes.com/interviews/ceda.htm
http://srpska-mreza.com/History/ww2/hanjar.html
http://srpska-mreza.com/History/ww2/survivors.html#Testimonies
I wrote the first piece on the NATO invasion of Yugoslavia and Luftwaffe re-bombing of Belgrade in 1999: http://www.freeman.org/m_online/apr99/tezza.htm
KOSSOVO: DO WORDS STILL HAVE MEANING?
By Sergio Tezza
The beginning of NATO’s bombing raids on Yugoslavia and the explanations of the rationale behind the military strike given by the politicians and their spokespersons, must give us pause.
We have been hearing words as “peace agreement”, “aggression”, “refugees” and “human rights violations”. Conspicuously absent are words as “secession”, “military uprising”, “sovereignty”, “defence of territorial integrity” and many others. Let’s examine the said words first, and let’s relegate what’s left unsaid to the end. An agreement exists when two or more parties achieve a position that is acceptable to all the parties in question.
The Kossovo province “peace agreement” is NONEXISTENT and was always nonexistent, since one of the two fighting parties (the Serbs) never agreed to, or signed any document, containing the proposals that the other party (the Albanians) is alleged to have considered acceptable. So, since an agreement never existed, and we hear all the media using that term, are we dealing with the typical war-time misinformation and propaganda masking other interests?
Aggression occurs when one party attacks another while unprovoked (1).
The almost total “ethnic cleansing” between 1974 and 1989 of over half a million Serbs from a region as the Kossovo province, the historic heart (2) of the Serbian People, is not something that can be defined as an “act of goodwill” on the part of the Muslim Albanians to their Christian Serb neighbors.The constitution of a full-fledged armed force (not exactly a guerrilla force, given the state of the arts German military equipment they use) -called terrorists by the Serbs and freedom-fighters by the Albanians-, a force that is responsible for the killing of uncounted -and often unmentioned- Serb civilians and policemen, can maybe satisfy the definition of provocation.
It sounds rather strange, moreover, to hear the political echelon and the military commanders of a “defensive” military alliance speak about “aggression”, while leading a massive military attack against one of the two warring parties (on the side of the “guerrilla”), within the territory of a sovereign state whose army is party to the fighting.
So, if the word aggression is used in a very “slanted” way, and we hear it and read it used that way all over the media, aren’t we dealing with the typical war-time misinformation and propaganda masking other interests?
Refugees are autochthonous populations expelled from their land. Hundreds of thousands of Serbs who populated the Kossovo province for tens of generations have been forced to leave the Kossovo province in the last twenty five years because of political persecution and physical attacks. In the meantime, especially since the demise of the Albanian Maoist regime of Henver Hoxa, hundreds of thousands of Albanians have crossed over the Yugoslavian border, changing the ethnic balance within the Kossovo province (3). So, since we are hearing and reading the word “refugee” used ONLY in reference to the Albanians, aren’t we dealing with the typical war-time misinformation and propaganda masking other interests?
Human rights include the right to live safely -IN PEACETIME- without being targeted with discrimination, expulsion, job loss, physical aggression, because of one’s belonging to a group rather than another.
The Serbs had their human rights clearly violated during peacetime between 1974-1989, when the Albanians had autonomy in Kossovo. The autonomy of the Kossovo province was rescinded by the Yugoslavian Government, Serbian rights to employment and residence became again possible, and then a military insurgency against Yugoslavia started, with the support of part of the Albanian populations, who became active part of the fighting against the Serbian population, Police and Army, and subject to military reprisals.So, since we are hearing and reading “victims of human rights abuses” used ONLY in reference to the Albanians, aren’t we dealing with the typical war-time misinformation and propaganda masking other interests?
Meanwhile, where did the principle of non intervention in the internal affairs of a sovereign state go, all of a sudden, since it has been used until now to justify military non intervention to stop the massacres in Algeria (over 400,000 dead, mostly civilians), the genocide in Rwanda and Burundi (over one million slaughtered), the massacres of Christians in Lebanon, Egypt and Sudan (over a million killed or displaced), the slaughter of Chinese in Indonesia, etc., etc., etc.???
Where did the principle (no value judgement expressed about its validity) of opposing secessions and promoting the territorial integrity of a sovereign state, used to justified Saddam Hussein’s permanence in power and the non help to Kurds in Northern Iraq, Syria and Turkey and to Shiites in Southern Iraq… where did it all of a sudden go??? Why aren’t Ms. Albright & Co. in Europe telling us why it does not apply to Yugoslavia?
I would like, last but not least, to point out that no comparison can be made with a situation in which one armed part attacks an unarmed part who has no way to defend itself. NO DISGUSTING COMPARISON WITH PRE WW-II NAZI GERMANY CAN BE ALLOWED AND TOLERATED. The Jews were not attacking, terrorizing, unarmed Germans and threatening their territorial integrity with armed movements of secession (independence?). Clinton’s disgusting use of the Holocaust as a consequence of a precedent of inaction and appeasement should be protested by all decent people. It is disgusting that someone might use the Shoah (4) as a cover for serving one’s political and economic interest with the Arab world, by helping those who were allied with the Nazis during WW-II (Muslims and Croats in Yugoslavia).
“This is a DIRTY WAR” is an expression that we probably won’t hear or read too often about the NATO attack against Yugoslavia.
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(1) Israel attacked Egypt militarily in June 1967, but certainly not unprovoked (Egyptian blocking of the Red Sea at the Tiran Strait, massive military mobilization at Israel’s borders after general military draft). Israel was certainly not the aggressor.
(2) [Kossovo is in the Yugoslavian national anthem and is the focus of Yugoslavian Independence Day, the day having been picked on the anniversary of Serbia’s historic defeat to the invading Muslim Turks, of whom the so called “ethnic Albanians” are the descendants]
(3) Striking similarities exist with the situation in the Land of Israel, where Arab populations coming from outside settled in the course of the 20th Century in what had been almost a desert, and had been set aside by the League of Nations to become again the “homeland” of the People of Israel (previously expelled from there); all that while Jews were “de facto” and “de iure” kept forcibly out by the British. The Arab illegal immigrants from Syria, Hejaz (Saudi Arabia), Egypt, Sudan, Bosnia, Afghanistan, Morocco, etc. in many cases “expelled by massacre” entire Jewish communities (i.e. the Jews of Hebron in 1929) who had lived there for millennia, and then became ” the refugees” by excellence for the hypocritical world media after they left or were expelled at the birth of the State of Israel.
(4) See the many references to Israel as today’s nazis, in relation to their conflict with the Arabs, while it was exactly the Arabs who were allied with the nazis and ACTIVELY participated in the designing and execution of the “final solution” also through their then chief butcher the Jerusalem Mufti, Haj Amin Al-Husseini, uncle of today’s butcher Arafat.
I can recognize that the only thing that you care about is America – not Israel – contrary to your protestations. I have no problem with that, if thats what you say up front. But you also pretend to be a friend to Israel when you only care about america’s strategic interests. So stop calling the kettle black – you don’t care that Yamit may hurt Israel’s interests,which he doesn’t, you only care that he hurts america’s.
BlandOatmeal,
How long have you been a member here? Can’t you recognize a mole when you come across one, pretending to be pro-Israel, but then doing everything he can to undermine Israel??
Yamit,
You have either ceased being serious, or escaped once more into La La Land. If you are, by the odd chance, serious, Please count. You can do this on fingers and toes:
I. Strategic Reach
A. Nuclear Supercarriers:
United States: eleven
Russia and the rest of the world: zero
When it comes to projecting power around the world, a nation must rely on either a colony or a nuclear supercarrier. The United States essentially has eleven colonies around the world, which can park themselves right next door to any maritime enemy. Moreover, they can be deployed indefinitely, and there are several on station throughout the world at any given time. The sole, non-nuclear, Russian carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov, is kept close to home. On its latest visit to the Mediterranean, in 2009, a fire broke out on board and killed a crew member.
B. Long-range bombers
United States: nearly 200 heavy bombers in active service, consisting of B-52s, supersonic B-1s and very modern stealth B-2s.
Russia: 50 subsonic Tu-95 propjets, of Korean War vintage
In recent years, Russia has resumed its patrols of the American coast with Tu-95s. On every mission, they are greeted and escorted by US interceptors. The US, on the other hand, conducted regular, undetected, devastating bombing missions over Yugoslavia from its base in Missouri.
C. Nuclear Submarines & ICBMs:
The US and Russia have rough parity in numbers, with the American subs technically superior. The latter point is poignantly remembered by Russian loss of the Kursk in 2000. The two countries also have rough parity in ICBMs. Both classes are valuable strategic weapons, but of little value in tactical land wars.
II. Recent Conflicts:
A. Attacks on the homeland
United States: Lost 3000 innocent civilians in 2001, and some smaller terrorist rampages such as the Fort Hood massacre.
Russia: Is under nearly continuous attack by Chechnyan rebels, most recently the airport bombing in Moscow.
B. Extraterritorial adventures
United States: Overthrew enemy regimes in Afghanistan and Iraq; successfully defended ally in South Korea; forced to quit Vietnam.
Russia: Could not defend ally in N. Korea (They had to turn to the Chinese); forced to quit Afghanistan.
As I said before, the Russian inadequacy demonstrated in Serbia has been matched by its impotence in Libya. Russia is a bruised reed, that impales all who lean on it. They are an alternate, inferior, source of weapons; that’s all.
These brazen and vicious falsehoods are identical to what the other enemies of America spread – which is why I contend that Yamit and Hamas are on the same side in trying to weaken Israel by driving a wedge between it and its only ally, the USA.
The US did not lose in Korea. The US did not lose in Vietnam. Vietcong General Giap wrote in his memoires that they were on their knees after their failed Tet offensive and he was shocked when the Americans began to withdraw, forced by budget cuts by that era’s Democrats. The US defeated Iraq in a couple of weeks and has since been helping the nascent democracy in Iraq stabilize after the sectarian radicals started attacking each other, aided and abetted by Al Qaeda, Syria and Iran, with moral support from enemies of the US like Yamit. In Afghanistan, the Taliban were toppled in days, and the US is now helping the nascent democracy stabilize against anti-democracy insurgents being helped by Pakistani insurgents, hiding behind and among women and children, with the moral support of enemies of the US like Yamit.
Both Iraq and Afghanistan are epic historical attempts to sow the seeds of freedom in Muslim countries that have never experienced freedom before, hampered by their own sectarian conflicts and radicals and their twisted religious-political ideology.
The primary beneficiaries of the success of this mission would be Israel, which is why some anti-Israeli moles, who pretend to be supporters of Israel, are opposed to it.
The US has more oil and gas reserves than the entire middle-east combined, all waiting for the right political time to access it, hampered by Imam Obama and the Democrats, with moral support from enemies like Yamit.
If you think I am being unfair to Yamit, just go back and re-read his serial falsehoods, misrepresentations and exaggerations in No. 7 above – all deliberately intended to weaken the Israeli-US alliance.
America has certainly the most expensive military and I’m not sure what standards you use to claim they are top of the line? Certainly not in terms of results: lost in Korea, Lost in Nam, Lost Iraq (2nd round) after almost 2 trillion dollars spent so far and and are getting their asses Kicked today in Afghanistan by guys in sandals with primitive weapons. maybe Granada and Panama are the type of conflicts America should choose. Almost 2 trillion dollars spent in losing causes?
Russia has Oil and Gas If there are disruptions or halts to any of the major producers their pockets get richer and fatter.
Libya’s civil war: can world survive $200+ oil?
OK then certainty.
You mean the ones that are partnered with Catholic Indians?
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This sounds exactly like Holocaust denial.
“Probability”??? How about “certainty”??? If you Israelis want to see ACTUAL Israeli pimps and drug dealers in action, take a trip to Goa, in India.
Yamit,
NATO IS pulling it off on Russia today. Notice HMS Cumberland, docked in Benghazi. Cumberland is NOT a Russian ship; the Russians are not able to help their CLOSEST ALLY in the Mediterranean, namely, Libya. Instead, the latest report is that the Russians are seeking closer military ties with Iran. They can see which way the wind is blowing; and in the Mediterranean, the way is to get out of the way. NATO has ceded the Ukraine, Moldova and Georgia to the Russians as their sphere of influence. They may also have ceded Syria and Lebanon; but the Persian Gulf and Mediterranean belong to the Americans. You might also say that the US and its allies are mired down in Iraq and Afghanistan; but the Russians, far from being mired down, have been unable to even raise their heads above the trenches in those places. Russian strength lies mainly in its nuclear stockpile, which is becoming more dangerous to its users than to its enemies. The recent arms reduction agreements were merely a face-saving way for them to scrap obsolete weapons.
The Russians are truly second-rate. The West, led by Obama, is pursuing a confused, irrational foreign policy; but their militaries are top of the line. I wouldn’t lean too heavily on the Russian reed, if I were Israel.
Clinton then, took advantage of Russian weakness, I doubt they could pull it off with Russia today. The Russians don’t forget blows to their national pride and at some point will exact a premium surcharge from America and Europe. In other-words it ain’t over till it’s over.
Bland
What you are posing here, and you are dead right by the way in everything, is the crisis of leadership in Israel, nothing more, nothing less, and exactly that same crisis of leadership exists everywhere, including Yugoslavia then and Serbia now
It is not an easy situation to solve
Israel was COMPLETELY silent, while NATO was devastating Yugoslavia; so I can only say that Israel is getting what it deserves. I have often heard Arutz7’s Tovia Singer proclaiming that “Israel is the miner’s canary of the world” — meaning that whatever happens to Israel will soon happen to the rest of the world. Tovia is wrong: Yugoslavia was the miner’s canary of Israel, and Israel went about business as usual when the canary died.