No land. No peace.
By Barry Shaw
The problem with the land for peace policy is that you are only a regime change away from no land and no peace.
This glib proverb took on the hauntingly realistic feel of a bucket of freezing water to the face with the rapid deterioration of the Mubarak regime in Egypt and the daunting future of an increasingly influential Muslim Brotherhood ably assisted by a radical left wing minority based in Cairo.
They tried to assure us that the uprising had nothing to do with the Israel-Palestinian deadlock but, as success reared its head, we began to see signs and slogans shouting anti-Israel hatred. Posters of the now-hated Mubarak appeared with the Star of David smeared on his forehead displayed the in-built demonisation passionately felt by the mob.
The so-called international experts, caught short by events throughout the Arab world as they have by every major event in the Muslim world, insisted that the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood was not radical, would not attain influence, and only had the best intentions for Egypt and the Middle East.
The Cairo demonstrations were not as spontaneous as the media would have us believe. Neither did they represent the majority of the Egyptian people. Even if the number of people reached half a million at its maximum, a figure I doubt, this is a fraction of the total Egyptian population of eighty four million.
The problem for any regime is that it cannot be seen brutally putting down an insurection live on television.
Neither was the uprising peaceful, as the media again tried to convince us. They attempted to tell us that violence only began when the “ugly big-bellied Mubarak thugs”, as described by Roger Cohen of the New York Times, took to the streets. This is incorrect. By then the “peaceful, young, modern, intelligent” demonstrators had wrecked the National Museum stealing invaluable heritage, torched buildings, looted stores, attacked the police, and terrorised citizens to the extent that they had to raise vigilanty groups to protect private lives and property.
Let us be clear of this. The revolution in Egypt was crafted by the far left and Islamists. Put together by students smart enough to communicate by cell phones, facebook, twitter, and other social media methods, backed by numbers sent out of the mosques, the success was the civil unrest of international Socialism, Marxism, and Islamic nationalism.
Social justice and civil liberties were the slogans of people like 32 year old, Sally Moore, a Coptic Christian and “an avowed leftist” as described in the global edition of the New York Times of February 11, 2011 in which they quoted her as saying “I like the Brotherhood most. They are very good at organising.” She was joined, according to this report by Islam Lofti, a lawyer and leader of the Muslim Brotherhood Youth, and Zyad el-Elaimy, a 30 year old lawyer who is a leader of a Communist group.
When we saw the trade union groups take to the streets this confirmed, for me, the combined agenda of the left and the Muslim party. The Arab Doctors Union have several branches led by Muslim Brotherhood members.
The reverie of Europeans and America to the new voice of freedom, liberty, and democracy does not translate well in the only liberal democracy of the Middle East.
At the recent major IDC Herzlia Conference we heard the clashing voices of the visiting think tank experts and the local talking heads. This can be summed up succinctly by the comment of one of the Israeli panelists when he asked what was the difference between an American Jew and an Israeli Jew when it comes to Middle East politics. The American has more hope than concern. The Israeli has more concern than hope.
Israelis frown on the optimism being expressed by overseas observers to events in Israel. Israelis see the half empty glass. They cannot be faulted for their pessimism. They have experienced the disappointing results of democracy in the Arab world. They have seen a Bush-imposed democratic process in the Palestinian territories that saw a Hamas rise to power. They are not impressed by Muslim Brotherhood protestations that they do not seek control of Egypt. They heard the same story just a couple of years ago from Hizbollah in Lebanon, and look what is happening there. They are quick to point out that the Iranian Islamic Revolution began as a student’s protest against the Shah, and now the world quakes with fear from a nuclear Tehran.
Israel is right in predicting the rise and rise of an Islamic Egypt on their southern border. It is, for Israeli planners, inevitable.
Anti-Israel, anti-American statements will become more frequent and louder. They will be excused as being the voice of a minority that will not take power in the September elections. Western nations will line up to give aid to Egypt and to compete for lucrative business contracts. America will pump billions of dollars into the new Egypt in a futile attempt to hold on to a shrinking influence as Iran will develop ties to the incoming regime.
Expect to see a combined force of just under the majority level as Muslim and leftist parties garner slightly under fifty percent of the votes. Should they steamroller their way to a majority coalition this will speed up the inevitable change in international politics.
Egypt will not immediately rip up the peace accord with Israel. What they will do is to reach out to their Palestinian brethren and open the gates to Gaza. The effect will be to strengthen the Hamas regime and weaken the Fatah-led Palestinian Authority in Ramallah. There will be no control of what will flow into the Gaza Strip and into the hands of Hamas and the other terror organisations. One thing will be for certain, Hamas gaza will be wealthier, better equipped militarily, and have a closer liason with Iran.
The Sinai has been over run by the Bedouin during the uprising. They violently took over at least twenty police stations killing many Egyptian policemen. The Sinai is a huge and porous desert region that has been a major smuggling route. The length of the open border has now become a significant security headache for Israel. It leaves the Jewish state no other option but to rapidly construct a long fence in the vain hope that weapons and terrorists can be kept at bay.
Just as Iran uses Hizbollah as their proxy for attacks against Israel so will Egypt become a facilitator and open channel to Hamas for Iranian mixing in the region.
True, the Egyptian army will go through the motions of preventing such incursions but they will increasingly feel indebted to the people as they become defanged by Turkish-style constitutional rulings.
This dire prediction highlights the waning Western influence in the region, despite the bleatings and verbal hopes for smooth transition and democracy in the Arab world.
Israel would be advised to ignore the cries to make further radical concessions to an intransigent and stubbornly rejectionist Palestinian leadership. Other harsh lessons that have been learned by the Jewish state is that land for peace is not an option. As they saw in the Gaza Strip and in Lebanon withdrawals from territory only resulted in the installation of extremely hateful Islamic regimes, rockets, and death. This increasingly looks likely on its southern border.
Can anyone doubt that Israel will end up with no land and no peace? I thought not.
I once asked AE what or how he contributed to America and being the honest Abe type, replied that he paid taxes. What he didn’t say was how much. Since he admits to being paid to troll on Jewish and pro Israel sites, I only hope he is really paid sufficiently to enable him to pay his taxes.
WHO KNOWS WHAT EVIL LURKS IN THE HEARTS OF MEN? THE SHADOW KNOWS! Heh Heh Heh Heh
AE idol Mormon Glenn Beck apologizes for comparing Reform Judaism to Islamic extremism
The Fox News commentator says the remark was ‘stupid’ and he ‘didn’t do enough homework’ on the topic; comments drew widespread criticism from Jewish leaders. Beck began his Thursday radio show by saying, “I made a mistake on Tuesday and I want to make sure you understand I was wrong on it and I apologize on it.”
The Jewish Funds for Justice responded to Beck’s apology by saying it was “welcome but incomplete,” and they called on Rupert Murdoch to end Beck’s tenure at Fox News.
Bye Bye Beck! 🙁
Ya. Obama has been a big disappointment. There were so many Americans that were hoping and ready for change………but I don’t think this is the kind of change they were expecting.
I certainly prefer your Prime Minister Harper to our president.
That’ right Laura. Consider bullying your enemies and not those of us who have tried to stand by you. The fact is Laura that the U.S. thrives on sensationalism and arrogant pride. Pride goes before a fall.
Quite the armchair warrior, aren’t you? Talk about chest thumpers. I said months ago you were being paid to be here – your statement confirms it from your own hand. Who’s writing the check?
Strength and power gets respect. Canada doesn’t garner respect. Perhaps it doesn’t invoke hatred simply because it has little global influence. America has been hated because we are powerful economically and militarily. It’s only since America has failed to project power and strength is when it lost respect. I don’t care if America is hated, but I want us to be feared and respected. Sure we could be liked by not standing for anything and going along with the rest of the world. I don’t know what you mean by “ungrateful”. What has anyone done for us that we should be grateful for? As for being bullies, I sure wish we would bully our enemies around.
A.E. Bear in mind that worldwide Canada has alot more respect than the U.S. and for good reason. Most people dont like pompous arrogant ungrateful bullies.
I guess this is considered a big risk in the warrior state of Canuckistan:-))
Yes, we will eternally be thankful for the food – after all the protection we provide you with:-))
I’m guessing this is because people would laugh at you:-))
A.E. We took the risk of allowing ALL U.S. bound planes to land on Canadian soil………..otherwise they would have ended up in the ocean somewhere as the U.S. had shutdown ALL incoming planes. We SAVED hundreds of lives and we fed the stranded passengers and provided shelter and there is MANY an AMERICAN who is very grateful that we did. However we don’t use YOUR tactics by constantly throwing that in your face as some kind of heroic now you owe us attitude like YOU do.
You have no option to be cautious and show up after the heavy lifting is over. You are proving me right better than I can – you Canadians could not fight your way out of a paper bag.
First you need triggers and the cojones to pull them. You are protected by the US, but have still found a way to waste your money. Your cockamamie health care syetem cannot funtion without the US. It has put millions of your people on medical waiting lists – not according to me but the last two presidents of the Canadian Medical Association, one of who said the system was imploding.
What exactly did you DO for us while you were “there for us” after 9/11??????? You didn’t even help us liberate Iraq and remove the threat it was to Israel.
A.E. lol…………I think i will forward this to my two BEST FRIENDS who are both Yankies……….. Sorry A.E. but Canadians are cautious about agreeing to go and blow up a whole country on the hunt for 1 man. True, we are not as trigger happy as many Americans………..not as aggressive as many Americans…..but that don’t mean we would’nt be there for ya…………we sure were for 911 ———get your facts straight man.
That is Canada’s history – the cowards. Rely on the US for security and spend its money creating a country of politically correct softies who only look out for themselves.
My job is to expose the anti-Americans like you and Yamit who pretend to be looking out for Israel.
This is rich coming from an effete Canadian – the land of the politically correct chest-thumping PM.
A.E. lol – Canadians only come in after the heavy lifting is over? The reality is that you expect Canadians to come in and clean up the mess you have made…………..True………..many Americans have died on behalf of the Jew but YOU are not one of those people…………………The U.S. Canada and Israel really need to re evauate their relationship because……..like it or not……….we are in this together. Better to take direction from the Israelis who have been at it A LOT LONGER and who are most at risk. The U.S. government are cowards who think that they can keep the war in the middle east…………not going to happen………..
This is rich coming from a Canadian, here seen trying to support the anti-Israeli intentions of Yamit. Canadians are the folks who only show up after the heavy lifting has been done by others and whose PM tries to impress Jewish audiences that he will oppose anti-Semitism in Canada “no matter what the cost”, causing Mer and others to swoon in ecstacy, and then runs and hides when actual anti-Semitisim shows up at York University.
In the meantime the US was at the forefront of defeating the anti-Semitic Nazis and the Communists at great expense in lives and treasure, and has since guaranteed Israel’s survival and provided it with BILLIONS in grants, loans and technical support in a mutually beneficial alliance.
It was successive Israeli governments, not the US, who conceded that “everything is negotiable” and then made the decision to vacate Gaza.
I have always held that Israel should annex whatever land they have acquired while defending themselves and refuse to even talk about it until there are major concessions from the aggressor Palestinians. These would include acceptance of Israel as a Jewish state, a renunciation of violence, and formal inclusion of these concepts in their written charters, not just empty words.
Annexation also takes care of the legality of building settlements – which are now considered illegal by everyone but Israelis – because you cannot build and expand settlements on land that you have conceded are “negotiable” and may therefore not be yours, and then destroy them when you leave as Israel did in Gaza.
Calling you a faux-Christian Yamit bootlicker is a fact based on his anti-Christian bigotry, including comparing the Christian missionary woman who was killed by Muslim terrorists with the terrorists. Instead of protesting this brazen bigotry you only re-doubled your bootlicking. That shows you to be the real mental midget.
I hope Mer and Rongrand and everyone else are reading this. It makes my point better than I can that Yamit deliberately twists the truth to drive a wedge between Israel and its only ally. Why? Because the conservatives in America have always been on Israel’s side – unlike the liberals who can never be relied on as we can see with the actions of Imam Obama and Madame Clinton.
A.E. Antisemites don’t try to just harm Israel they try to harm ALL Jews AND their supporters WORLDWIDE. It is not people like Yamit who are trying to put a wedge between the U.S. and Israel, it is the U.S. government and their supporters who are doing that by their unreasonable demands and expectations of Israel. We need the U.S. to understand that their enemy is our enemy and they decided to go to war with the enemy on one side and expect Israel to give up half of it’s capitol not to mention other land and to somehow make peace with people who’s agenda is to drive every Jew out of Israel or kill them…………Some of us are not that stupid to fall for that and would be ready willing and able to defend and protect not only Israels right to exist as a Jewish state but help all Jews who want to return to the homeland to be able to………..because enough is enough! The U.S. is playing with fire by thinking they can actually manipulate a peace agreement when there is only one side that is willing.
This is rich coming from a Canadian – the folks who only show up after the heavy lifting is over, anmd have a chest-thumping PM who tells Jews he will oppose anti-Semitism “no matter what the cost”, and then runs and hides when real anti-Semitism raises its ugly head in Canada.
In the meantime the US has guaranteed Israel’s survival as a Jewish state. Even the anti-Semitic Obama cannot change the support for Israel among the American people and vetoed the recent anti-Israel proposal at the UNSC.
Poppycock. Thousands of non-Jewish Americans have died on behalf of Jews.
INSULT? Compared to deliberately weakening Israel? Yamit does not just oppose US foreign policy – he works tirelessly to drive a wedge between Israel and the US – just like Hamas does.
Anti-Semites, by definition, are those who deliberately try to harm Israel. As long as Yamit works so hard to try and deprive Israel of its ONLY ALLY, he has to be considered on the same side as Hamas.
Bottom line you not only show your ignorance you stoop to name calling. A real mental midget.
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I do have issues.
A kick to my groin would be less painful than not being taken seriously.
Bingo, that’s what I have maintained re; AE from the day he began posting here.
What facts have I twisted? List them for all to see. BTW, I would prefer to see Israel’s relationship with America placed on a different plane, and not of slave to master. Apparently that’s too much for your challenged intellect to comprehend. I have stated my reasoning here a myriad of times so I won’t repeat them now.
Now what does that have to do with Hamas? If anything Hamas in the Muslim context can be compared with the conservatives of America.
We all know that having Israel bow to the idol that is america is the only thing that is your concern.
A.E. The U.S. is NOT Israels ONLY ally. With a so called friend like the U.S. who needs an enemy anyway? The U.S. is at WAR with the same kind of people that the U.S. expects Israel to negotiate with. That IS a big problem. The Christian community has done severe harm to the Jewish people and for some Jews it is an issue that they have not seen enough evidence that the Christian is truly acknowledging and remorseful. Thats a FACT! This is ‘family’ business A.E. and no offense but YOU could not possibly even begin to understand UNLESS you truly walk in our shoes………….
Anyone on this forum who is honest with everything they read, unlike Rongrand who is a faux-Christian bootlicker of the viciously anti-Christian Yamit, would know that, while Yamit pretends to be a supporter of Israel, he does his utmost to twist the facts to drive a wedge between Israel and its only ally, the US. This weakens Israel and puts it in greater jeopardy, which is why I contend that he is on the same side as Hamas.
It all goes to prove AE doesn’t know Yamit.
For those who don’t know, AE is an American who vehemently opposes Yamit.
Put your money on Yamit,he knows AE.
Here we go again! Just because someone opposes U.S. foreign policy that does NOT make them an enemy of ALL Americans. To equate that with Hamas is both careless and inflamatory and an extreme INSULT. ie The Americans like to paint everything in black or white left or right and leave no room for COLOUR. First of all there is no such thing as either a black or white race – its just the colour of a persons skin and perhaps there ethnic heritage ie African, English, etc. This type of mindset POLARIZES Americans. Does that mean I am anti American for saying that and I too would be told that I am the same as Hamas? In politics there is such a thing as the centre or some would call that sitting on the fence. Or is it someone who is genuinely guarding their decision until they feel satisfied they can make an informed choice? Lighten up people and stop being so sensitive to constructive criticism by responding with irrational thinking. Does Yamit have issues? YES HE DOES. Do I take him seriously? NO I DONT…BUT I WOULD NEVER EQUATE HIM WITH HAMAS. That is EXACTLY what the antisemites do.
Yamit is Hamas- in western garb-and that is all that one can say.He/she/it, is not what he/she/ it seems!!
For those who don’t know, Yamit is a Jew who vehemently opposes the US – which puts him on the same side as Hamas.
OK, You said it, now you can go back to throwing darts at a Pix of Obama.
Your terms but I’ll accept them for arguments sake. So what. How’s this: No Arabs no Terror and a lot of Jews alive who wouldn’t otherwise so on balance who gives a shit what YOU think.
Which makes the messages become the ideological carriers for Nazionalism, Nazionism and Sicarriianism. And signs of the next coming punishment for those Jews who use God to transform His will into dirty egomaniac expression of Jewish madness. Fortunately, these kind of Jews is a minority that will soon die out. Or remain in the lands of Canaan as an irrelevant minority, while real Jews and sound Israelis will distance themselves – both physically and mentally – from the thugs that misuse God for their dirty business.Sticks and stones…….
I say, “Jews who are against the US are also against Israel”
Barry Shaw http://www.facebook.com/netre52 says – “Being for Palestine is being against Israel”.
This summarizes it all. Barry is forcefully advocating: wiping Palestine out of the map.
Which means: ethnic cleansing, apartheid, segregation, ethnic and religious racism, a kind of Judaic Brotherhood Manifesto directed – in a hidden but strong manner – against all Goyim and Schicksen, against all Gentiles, again all other monotheists and multitheists, in one word: Against the non-Jewish world.
Which makes the messages become the ideological carriers for Nazionalism, Nazionism and Sicarriianism. And signs of the next coming punishment for those Jews who use God to transform His will into dirty egomaniac expression of Jewish madness. Fortunately, these kind of Jews is a minority that will soon die out. Or remain in the lands of Canaan as an irrelevant minority, while real Jews and sound Israelis will distance themselves – both physically and mentally – from the thugs that misuse God for their dirty business.
Are you, too, on the same side as Hamas regarding the US?
So says the Non Israeli…Mind your own crumbling nation, would you?
Only “perfectly said” by anyone who is on the same side of this issue as Hamas.
Perfectly said Yamit!
AmericanEagle says: Hey, Mer, where have you been? You and I agree on this. In fact, I would go a step further. Israel should not even agree to TALK about ANYTHING
until the Palestinians accept, in a UN-supervised treaty, Israel as a Jewish state, renounce violence, AND CHANGE THEIR CHARTERS TO INCLUDE THESE PRECEPTS.
That’s better!
A.E. Agreed. The time has come for Israel to take an Offensive strategy ONLY. There IS enough proof for Israel to stand its ground. If there is going to be even ONE MORE INCH of Israeli land taken it will have to be TAKEN by FORCE. ISRAEL. DONT GIVE IN.
Hey, Mer, where have you been? You and I agree on this. In fact, I would go a step further. Israel should not even agree to TALK about ANYTHING until the Palestinians accept, in a UN-supervised treaty, Israel as a Jewish state, renounce violence, AND CHANGE THEIR CHARTERS TO INCLUDE THESE PRECEPTS.
Israel shouldnt GIVE ANYTHING. Israel has given too much already and it certainly hasnt helped in the long run.
Ah, forcing Israel’s hand. Now if they can just get Israel to give up the Golan…but the real prize will be dividing J’Salem. Obama said he wanted to see the UN’s flag over the Kotel.
Compare how Obama behaved and talked about Israel before he was elected as president, versus how he behaves and speaks since having been elected.
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2010/me_israel0217_03_18.asp
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/131506
George Soros has made it clear Israel is a “stumbling block” and the USA is an “obstacle”. Soros is already betting on a 2 state solution and he’s investing in it with the Siraj fund, per Aaron Klein.
Yamit once said, “Israel isn’t expected to survive.” Yamit is correct, as there are many who feel the creation of the modern state of Israel was a mistake; the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob doesn’t agree, but who is He to the atheist, elitist adherents of the NWO. In order to appease the Muslim hordes, Israel is expendable; afterall, What is such a small number of Jews to 300 million muslims? I said before that the west would be willing to screw Israel over for some oil. I also said there is power in numbers and Jews just don’t have the numbers.
Israel as Czechoslovakia.
If Israel is to re-take Gaza, they should draw up the new border north of Rafah, and ceate a buffer zone several miles wide. They could grow hothouse vegetables there, and call it Gush Katif.