ZOA Supports Pres. Trump Call to Stop $400 Million in US Aid to PA

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1. Edgar G. Said:

   Drink coca cola and get rustier. How can an intelligent being having read the reports coming out of Russia go for that stuff.

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD5AQluWoIM

2. @ Sebastien Zorn:

   Drink coca cola and get rustier. How can an intelligent being having read the reports coming out of Russia go for that stuff. I recall it quite well, as any person who has read Whittaker Chambers “Witness” at least twice can visualise, they need to be dumped in the dump, the ash-bin of history, a nasty period of our lives when I used to go to bed, trying to sleep, for several years wondering if, at any moment, an atom bomb would destroy us all. I kid you not. I always had a vivid imagination as a kid. Of course you could have gone to Cuba….

   The circus came to town when I was about 12, coincidentally I had just seen the film “Frankenstein”, and I used to shiver in bed hearing “Thump, Thump. Thump…” on the street right beside my house. I later found out that it was the elephants coming back from having been watered and exercised. Why didn’t I know sooner….???.

3. Michael S Said:

   “Edgar, you’re a disgrace.”

   You and Felix should really team up, you’d be quite a tough act to follow. I’m in stitches, as it is.

   Move over Laurel and Hardy.

   Back when I was a Marxist-Leninist, for fun, some of us used to try to compete with each other at name calling. For example:

   “You capitalist running dog”

   “You imperialist comprador Uncle Tom lick-spittle.”

   “you racist imperialist bourgeois labor aristocrat”

   Sorry, It’s been a while. I’m rusty.

4. @ Edgar G.:

   Sorry, just one more thing I needed to include. You have absolutely NO IDEA how references to your god Jesus and other Gospel items generally make Jews cringe. We’ve grown up ALL our lives having it thrust down our throats, I’m speaking only for myself, but I know of the general Jewish feelings. With you it is impossible to ignore as you are like a revolving record with your obsession, harmless only because of your good nature and earnestness.. But it reminds me of nasty events in my growing up in an Anti-Semitic country.

   There are others on this site who are less critical. Thank you and goodbye.

5. @ Michael S:

   All right, You don’t know what you’re talking about as usual, being obsessed with Revelations and Zachariah, flying carpets and goodness knows what else. I could say a lot more,,,,, I don’t believe that you’ve ever posted a comment which wasn’t full of quotations from your bible. It was tiresome, but I got used to it. Everybody has his own mishugasn, and that is yours. But you are strong for the Jewish People.

   Our exchange of posts is at an end right now. It was nice knowing you and without “chumming up” You are a good fellow at heart. Good bye.

6. @ Edgar G.:
   “But he could have mentioned it in his scroll, and not leave it to you alone to ferret it out.”

   Zech. 14
   [12] And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
   [13] And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.

   Edgar, you’re a disgrace. You know so little about both history and the Bible, yet you presume to know more than your Maker. It’s because of people like you, that the God of Israel is blasphemed. Don’t expect me to chum up and talk with you.

7. @ Michael S:

   Forgot to compliment Old Zach for knowing about Nuclear bombs 2500 years before anyone else. But he could have mentioned it in his scroll, and not leave it to you alone to ferret it out. I wonder how you did that…??

   And the Dead Sea Scrolls did not “vindicate” Judaism, maybe Christianity, I don’t know about THAT. But Judaism was a known religion for centuries before the beginning of Christianity, and needed no vindication. The Judeans were known to the Greeks already by the 5th Cent. B.C.E. who referred to them as “a nation of philosophers”. And the large variety of steles and inscriptions that have been uncovered from time to time show that millenia before the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered, that the Jewish Nation existed in the area later known as Palestine, in 2 Kingdoms known as Judah and Israel. In fact in the 12th-13-th cent. B.C.E…. BEFORE the establishment of the VERY FIRST Jewish Kingdom, on The Mernepthah Stele, the Jewish Nation is described as “Israel”. Presumably the time of the Shoftim, of whom there were reputed to have been 16. This certainly would cover a couple of hundred years or more until the first King was chosen..

   Michael, don’t mind my criticism, I really wish you well, and enjoy our stint at foils.

8. @ Sebastien Zorn:

   They used pieces of cloth.

9. Edgar G. Said:

   I even had a book on the archaeological investigations of the latrine area of the Essenes,

   So, which hand did they use? Now that we’re on the subject.

10. @ Michael S:

    No being bound to an apocalytic view of the would as seen through the mouths of 4-5th Cent. BCE “prophets” I am absolutely normal, religious enough to be traditional, and a 100 % Jew, We can’t tell from this distance what impelled them other than religious fervor, I believe many were half-mad, and some of the greatest were more statesmen and careful watchers of the political scenery, who kept their wits about them. You seem to lean towards the loonies, I don’t believe in apocalypticism being a rational person. I’ve been a “dreamer” occasionally, but always knew it was just “wishful thinking”.

    The very fact that you use the word “prayerfully” at the beginning of your post, shows your inclinations clearly; denoting “prayer” and “religion”.

    Don’t make such a huge geshichte from a typo , it was obviously meant to be around 2400 not 1400, even 2500 years ago. Your crowing at that shows poorly, wasting 8 useless lines of nothing. Zachariah, a minor prophets, “minor” meaning of small production, not expertise or importance., Very little is known about him, except from the scroll. An inventive mind can make anything he wants from incoherent or mystic utterances. I don’t subscribe to this, being logical to a degree, and distrust “interpretations” of otherwise meaningless phrases.. It takes a “special” mind to make mountains from molehills and I don’t have that sort of mind.

    I mentioned Nostradamus because experts have shown him to have used the 400 year cycle for his prognosticators, and I implied that some of the more frantic Jewish “Prophets” must have also done. I thought you might have known about it.

    I don’t know of any traveller who took a census of Israel in 1695. Travellers go to see the sights and occasionally keep rough records of their travels-like Mark Twain. Why should I have to straighten your deliberate mis-statements all the time.

    The 2nd cent. papyri is regarded as being doubtful as to date. I read about them years ago. And the content is minuscule, and difficult to pin to any particular book. Uncial (not unical. -see I make no fuss about a typo-if it is a typo) was first used in the 4th century, not 2nd, and petered out about the 8th. I know all about the Codex Sinaiticus erc, and recall reading Tischendorf about it, how he rescued it from being used to light fires. etc.etc.

    John Trevor is just the guy who photographed some of the Scrolls. It was Eleazar Sukenik who discovered their importance.

    Therr is NOTHING you can tell me about The Dead Sea Scrolls, I have been reading about them since their discovery and have many books by those actually involved. I think Dupont-Sommer was one of the first I bought.

    But I believe the VERY FIRST book in which I read about the Essenes-whom I only knew from Josephus- was by a meshummad named Christian D. Ginsburg.
    I still have this Book, a gift from the library of a relative. It’s a double book with the reverse being about the Zohar and the Perfect Man.

    They all start from the beginning. I even had a book on the archaeological investigations of the latrine area of the Essenes, their habits, their food, the conditions of their health, as well as their burial places, which include women. Several books on the dating of the structure and architecture of their strongly built fort, it’s watchtower the reason for it’s reduction, etc. etc.etc.

    So dont tall me nodding abut Ded See Skrolz.

    I mentioned once that I had the tragic story of Moshe Shapira and his devoted daughter. This did not get a twitch from you…… Why…?

    You are straying very far from truth when you accuse me of saying that Constantine
    the Great invented Christianity. So why do you say it? It doesn’t annoy, just amuses. I NOWHERE said any such thing. Bad habit…(the laundryman knocked at the monastery door and asked “any dirty habits”..??.) Christianity, about 50 different forms of it, had already been invented and fizzing around, (no Patent Office then) before Constantine took the quarrelling loonies in hand by convening and severely presiding over, the Council of Nicea, in which, as I recall reading, several “bishops” stabbed one another to death over differing “interpretations”.. It seems that no well dressed “Bishop” was complete without a long, sharp pointed stabber….the inspiration of today’s Arab murderers..maybe…??.

    So Michael, You have written better and far more interesting posts. We can agree to amiably differ….which we most certainly do, but agree on some things. Makes for nice discussion, but not accusation, with a bit of fakery thrown in…

11. @ Edgar G.:
    Oops. Now you tell me.

12. @ Sebastien Zorn:

    Sorry, don’t have any handy…but wait… I see a newspaper blowing along the ground, will that do…Oh, it’s yesterday’s Ha’Aretz; yes that should certainly do the job properly. Just what it was made for, and by a “miracle “, if you believe in them, appears here at just the right time. So with less blow and more ado…. here it is, catch..!. Remember use your left hand…..

13. @ Michael S:

    Brother Francis Gerard of Utah might never have

    discovered the blessed documents, had it not been for the
    pilgrim with girded loins who appeared during that young
    novice’s Lenten fast in the desert…

    It was quite by accident that Brother Francis finally
    discovered the pilgrim’s stone. While wandering
    thereabouts, he stumbled over the stake which the old
    man had driven into the ground as a marker. He found
    himself on his hands and knees staring at a pair of marks
    freshly chalked on an ancient stone: ** [Note: Here, as
    elsewhere in this novel, Hebrew characters are
    represented by *’s.]
    The marks were so carefully drawn that Brother Francis
    immediately assumed them to be symbols, but minutes of
    musing over them left him still bemused. Witch markings
    perhaps? But no, the old man had called: “God-with-you,”
    as a witch would not. The novice pried the stone free from
    the rubble and rolled it over…

    On one wall of the stair well a half-buried sign remained
    legible. Mustering his modest command of pre-Deluge
    English, he whispered the words haltingly:

    FALLOUT SURVIVAL SHELTER
    Maximum Occupancy: 15
    Provision limitations, single occupant: 180 days; divide by actual number of occupants. Upon entering shelter,
    see that First Hatch is securely locked and sealed, that the
    intruder shields are electrified to repel contaminated
    persons attempting entry, that the warning lights are ON
    outside the enclosure. . .
    The rest was buried, but the first word was enough for
    Francis. He had never seen a “Fallout,” and he hoped he’d never see one. A consistent description of the monster had
    not survived, but Francis had heard the legends. He
    crossed himself and backed away from the hole. Tradition
    told that the Beatus Leibowitz himself had encountered a
    Fallout, and had been possessed by it for many months
    before the exorcism which accompanied his Baptism drove
    the fiend away.
    Brother Francis visualized a Fallout as half-salamander,
    because, according to tradition, the thing was born in the
    Flame Deluge, and as half-incubus who despoiled virgins in their sleep, for, were not the monsters of the world still
    called “children of the Fallout”? That the demon was
    capable of inflicting all the woes which descended upon Job
    was recorded fact, if not an article of creed.
    The novice stared at the sign in dismay. Its meaning was
    plain enough. He had unwittingly broken into the abode
    (deserted, he prayed) of not just one, but fifteen of the of the
    dreadful beings! He groped for his phial of holy water…

    Inside the lid of the carrying case, a note had been glued;
    the glue had powdered, the ink had faded, and the paper
    was so darkened by rusty stains that even good
    handwriting would have been hard enough to read, but
    this was written in a hasty scrawl. He studied it
    intermittently while emptying the trays. It seemed to be
    English, of a sort, but half an hour passed before he
    deciphered most of the message:
    CARL–
    Must grab plane for [undecipherable] in twenty minutes.
    For God’s sake, keep Em there till we know if we’re at war.
    Please! try to get her on the alternate list for the shelter.
    Can’t get her a seat my plane. Don’t tell her why I sent her
    over with this box of junk, but try to keep her there till we
    know [undecipherable] at worst, one of the alternates not
    show. I.E.L.
    P.S. I put the seal on the lock and put TOP SECRET on the
    lid just to keep Em from looking inside. First tool box I
    happened to grab. Shove it in my locker or something.
    The note seemed hasty gibberish to Brother Francis…

    The anger passed after a moment’s reflection. At the time
    of the deed, blueprints had probably been as common as
    weeds, and the owner of the box the probable culprit. He
    shielded the print from the sun with his own shadow while
    trying to unfold it further. In the lower right-hand corner
    was a printed rectangle containing, in simple block letters,
    various titles, dates, “patent numbers,” reference
    numbers, and names. His eye traveled down the list until it
    encountered: “CIRCUIT DESIGN BY: Leibowitz, I. E.”
    He closed his eyes tightly and shook his head until it
    seemed to rattle. Then he looked again. There it was, quite
    plainly:
    CIRCUIT DESIGN BY: Leibowitz, I. E.

    He flipped the paper over again. Among the geometric
    figures and childish sketches, clearly stamped in purple
    ink, was the form:
    | THIS FILE COPY TO: |
    | |
    | Supv …………….. |
    | Plnt …………….. |
    | x Dsgn I. E. Leibowitz |
    | Engr …………….. |
    | Army …………….. |
    The name was written in a clear feminine hand, not in the
    hasty scrawl of the other notes. He looked again at the
    initialed signature of the note in the lid of the box: I. E. L.–
    and again at “CIRCUIT DESIGN BY.. .” And the same
    initials appeared elsewhere throughout the notes.
    There had been argument, all highly conjectural, about
    whether the beatified founder of the Order, if finally
    canonized, should be addressed as Saint Isaac or as Saint
    Edward. Some even favored Saint Leibowitz as the proper
    address, since the Beatus had, until the present, been
    referred to by his surname.
    “Beate Leibowitz, ora pro me!” whispered Brother Francis.
    His hands were trembling so violently that they threatened
    to ruin the brittle documents.
    He had uncovered relics of the Saint.
    Of course, New Rome had not yet proclaimed that
    Leibowitz was a saint, but Brother Francis was so
    convinced of it that he made bold to add: “Sancte
    Leibowitz, ora pro me!”

    https://7chan.org/lit/src/A_Canticle_for_Leibowitz_-_Walter_M__Miller,_Jr__4.pdf

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Canticle_for_Leibowitz

14. @ Michael S:
    Would you fight everybody at once, then?

15. Edgar G. Said:

    If you don’t mind my intruding…

    Hey, I’m in here! Uhh, while you’re out there, though, could you pass me a roll of toilet paper, please? There’s none in here.

16. @ Edgar G.:
    Edgar, you would do well to prayerfully consider what you have been saying.

    Let’s start with Zechariah, the one who prophesied that the final attack on Israel would involve a nuclear war. You say he lived 1300-1400 years ago, or 617-717, That would make this Jewish prophet contemporary with Muhammed (d. 632). Do you realize, how this statement alone shoots your justification for living in Israel to smitherins? If Muhammed lived before Zechariah, what claim do the Jews have on Israel — all this, not to mention that you called one of the most revered men in Judaism a ‘doped-up or mentally unbalanced fanatic”

    In your “rational normalcy”, you have denied some of the most important parts of your existence. Why did you go to Israel? Because of some census a traveller took of the place in 1695?

    The oldest manuscript of the Babylonian Talmud was written in France in 1342, 700 years after Muhammed. A burnt fragment of Torah was found just two years ago, the oldest yet, which dates from the time of Constantine. The Codex Hillel, from the time of Muhammed, contains only a few sentences. Until the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, the oldest complete Torah dated only to around 1000 AD. None of this gives the Jews much ammunition, in disputing with the Muslims.

    Concerning the New Testament, we have:

    2 papyri from the 2nd century
    5 papyri and 1 unical from the 2nd/3rd century
    28 papyri and 2 unicals from the 3rd century
    8 papyri and 2 unicals from the 3rd/4th century
    14 papyri and 14 unicals from the 4th century
    etc.

    Constanine the Great, whom you credit with having invented Christianity, died in 337 — obviously later than the earliest manuscripts; but even so, he convened councils of what was to become known as the Catholic Church, 1000 years before the earliest complete Talmud manuscript was written.

    Considering the above, you can thank God that the Christian scholar John Trevor took notice of the Dead Sea Scrolls that some Muslim Bedouin had ignorantly discovered. Those scrolls, discovered the year before Israel became a state and not published until the end of the last century, contained the oldest complete Torah — including the prophecies of Daniel, Ezekiel and Zechariah that you so denigrate. It is those ancient manuscripts, that give proof of Israel’s right to the land of Israel.

    That archealogical discovery has rightly been called the most significant discovery in history. Your religion and your reason for being, as well as mine, are validated in it. You are being foolish, when you subject it to ridicule.

17. @ Edgar G.:
    Edgar, I have not read Nostradamus, for obvious reasons — he was a fraud. The same goes for Sebastien’s made-up Hopi Oral Torah.

    The one you call a “doped-up or mentally unbalanced fanatic [who you think prophesied] 13-1400 years ago” was the prophet Zechariah. Pardon my speaking the truth, but your knowledge of history is as screwed up as your knowledge of Judaism. If you thus hold yourself up as a “rational, normal religious person”, then pardon me for thinking that religion is in big trouble — as indeed, I do.

18. @ Michael S:

    If you don’t mind my intruding Michael-Sebastien, Although I am not intending to be offensive but factual, It’s posts like this one of yours Michael, that shows your tenuous religious equilibrium. You have obviously no idea how it sounds to rational, normal religious people. What a doped-up or mentally unbalanced fanatic said 13-1400 years ago in an agony of faith, cannot be applied to what happens today, except by tortuous coincidence. It is as meaningless as the ecstatic Pentecostal babble -which is a really a psychiatric condition they have.

    Have you ever read any of Nostradamus. He was a fraud, like all prognosticators, but, like the others who forecast far-ahead events, he knew about the 400 year cycle, and used it for his “quatrains”. . Doggerel would be a better description.

19. @ Sebastien Zorn:
    Hi, Sebastian

    You seem to agree with me about the “bull” comment (which I borrowed from the “bull in a China shop” saying).

    Yes, Obama, Clinton and the Bushes were also “bulls”, sending US troops to rampage at will across countries around the world. At first, I thought this was dumb strategy, considering how expensive it is to continually have to start new conflicts, just to supply our troops in other ones. Then I thought a bit, and realized that we probably DELIBERATELY fight in inaccessible areas. The “benefits for us (i. e. for our military-industrial complex, plus for national prestige) are:

    1. We are putting our potential enemies on notice that they cannot hide from our retribution, if they choose to annoy us, and

    2. We are showing the world how powerful we are.

    The downside, of course, is the burden to the taxpayer; but then, there is an intangible benefit to the taxpayers, from being able to call the shots in the world — providing that we use that advantage wisely.

    The immediate upshot of our “painting ourselves into corners” in Syria and Afghanistan, is more, unending, war.. This is the stock-in-trade of empires through the ages, pictured in allegory as “the beast” of Revelation, and as the “beasts” of Daniel. It’s the world’s system, which Rev. tells us is orchestrated and empowered by the Devil himself.

    I believe we are heading for a climax of “the beast” and his bullish ways, which will culminate with a US-led attack on Israel, and a nuclear war.– SOON, in a few years.

20. Michael S Said:

    @ Edgar G.:
    “… we are such a big bull, we don’t need to be delicate about whose country we trample across.”

    U.S./NATO Strategies prior to the Trump Era

    “Obama claims US drones strikes have killed up to 116 civilians | US …
    https://www.theguardian.com › US News › Obama administration
    Jul 1, 2016 – Long-awaited assessment of death toll under Obama, criticized as an undercount, acknowledges government does not always know how many civilians it kills.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y189-69cQPs

21. 7 Remember what the Amalekites did to you along the way when you came out of Egypt. 18 When you were weary and worn out, they met you on your journey and attacked all who were lagging behind; they had no fear of God. 19 When the Lord your God gives you rest from all the enemies around you in the land he is giving you to possess as an inheritance, you shall blot out the name of Amalek from under heaven. Do not forget!

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+25

22. Father of 6 Murdered in Palestinian Authority Terror Attack
    By Hana Levi Julian – 23 Tevet 5778 – January 9, 2018

    http://www.jewishpress.com/news/israel/settlements-israel/shooting-attack-at-gilad-farm-in-samaria/2018/01/09/

    PA Spends More Than NIS 1 Billion in Terrorist Payouts in 2017
    By TPS / Tazpit News Agency – 23 Tevet 5778 – January 9, 2018 0

    http://www.jewishpress.com/news/eye-on-palestine/palestinian-authority/pa-spends-more-than-nis-1-billion-in-terrorist-payouts-in-2017/2018/01/09/

    PA Arrests Brokers Who Sold Land to Jews
    By JNi.Media – 21 Tevet 5778 – January 8, 2018 0

    Palestinian Authority media this week are celebrating the successful application of the most racist laws on the books anywhere on the planet, prohibiting the sale of land to Jews – under penalty of death.

    http://www.jewishpress.com/news/eye-on-palestine/palestinian-authority/pa-arrests-brokers-who-sold-land-to-jews/2018/01/08/

    The PA and Hamas both have to go. The sooner the better. As violently as necessary. Any surviving Palestinians belong in cages. Perhaps a zoo.

23. @ Edgar G.:
    Well said.

24. In fact, all the “humanitarian aid” from everywhere must be stopped. It goes to fund terror.

    Where Hamas Gets Its Money
    https://www.forbes.com/2009/01/16/gaza-hamas-funding-oped-cx_re_0116ehrenfeld.html#6e3cff397afb

25. @ Michael S:
    Hello Michael, here we go again….Really plain speaking this time, although we stay friends.

    I think you’re wrong and governed by tenuous connections that you make (out of your imagination) between present day situations and mythical dreams that a variety of foaming -at-the-mouth prophets made a couple of thousand years ago. You have a neat way of linking up today and millennia ago.

    The time has arrived…long overdue, for a show of naked force to wipe smirks off faces and put matters on a straight and narrow path of righteousness and truth, which should appeal to you. It’s only a matter of us differing on the right method.

    The point I’m making is that these mamzerim we should “trample” over, are extremely behind in receiving retribution for their multifarious sins. They deserve a really strong “trampling” right into the ground in fact.They have caused much slaughter of innocents, and enormous outlay of treasure which will never be replaced and could have been far more beneficial elsewhere.

    I see no evidence 9expect your feelings, based on vague Biblical meanderings of a demented prophet)that would lead to a global war, in fact the opposite looks far more likely, and would be damped down by the knowledge that the USA would not shirk from destroying any malefactor that comes against it. Trump will not conduct any wars like his predecessors did. He will demand and GET results.
    He’s the Man who arises at the right moment.

26. There must be some way of shutting PA TV and radio down.

    Is the PA trying to launch a new terror campaign?

    Terror incitement broadcasts from past PA terror campaigns
    were rebroadcast last month at least 46 times by the PA
    Official PA TV rebroadcasts 41 times Abbas’ call to prevent Jews “in any way” from “defiling our holy places,” which in 2014 was broadcast 32 times during the Palestinian terror wave in which 12 Israelis were murdered

    Song calling for murder repeatedly broadcast by official PA TV in 2000 when the PA launched its terror campaign – the second Intifada – has also been broadcast again 5 times

    There was a dramatic rise of Palestinian terror attacks during December: from 84 in Nov. 2017, to 249 in Dec. 2017, according to the Israeli Security Agency
    http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=24755

    They say that the PA must be kept alive on life support because otherwise the Palestinian Arabs will turn to terrorist organizations. Are you kidding me?

    I recall reading somewhere that there has been more terror by the PA than by Hamas even.

27. PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY PAID TERRORISTS NEARLY $350 MILLION IN 2017
    > Knesset dawdles while Trump moves to cut PA funds over terrorists’ salaries
    > Defense Ministry pushing bill cutting PA funds over terrorists’ salaries
    http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Palestinian-Authority-paid-terrorists-nearly-350-million-in-2017-533227

    So, let me get this straight. The arguments against cutting funding are

    1) They will get the money from Iran which is in turmoil because they are starving their people to pay for terror abroad.

    2) The PA security won’t help round up Iranian terrorists. It’s ok, apparently, if they aren’t Iranian.

    3) The PA would collapse without the money they are using almost of 100 percent of to pay terrorists.

    Did these people take logic in school?

28. @ Michael S:
    The only thing that restrains our enemies is technological backwardness. Global norms only tie our hands. We our winning against Isis because President Trump loosened some of those norms. Unrestrained warfare would be to our advantage.

    “War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.”

    “Every attempt to make war easy and safe will result in humiliation and disaster.”
    Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/william_tecumseh_sherman

    General William Tecumsah Sherman

29. Pakistan funds the Taliban. Stop funding Pakistan and the war in Afghanistan will be over soon after.

30. @ Edgar G.:
    I think the point you’re making, is that we are such a big bull, we don’t need to be delicate about whose country we trample across. From the very first, McMaster impressed me of having that sort of mindset.

    You are right: we can force ways in and out, as we need to; but every time we do something like that, we are heading towards unrestrained, global warfare and the disintegration of international norms. We certainly are heading in that direction.

31. @ Sebastien Zorn:
    Hi, Sebastien. From your link,

    “There are several different routes included in the Northern Distribution Network. The most commonly used route, though also one of the longest, starts at the port of Riga, Latvia on the Baltic Sea, and continues for 3,212 miles (5,169 km) by train southwards through Russia, using railroads built by Russia in the 1980s for the Soviet war in Afghanistan.[1] The supplies then pass through Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan before reaching Afghanistan’s northern border at Termez…”

    That’s the sort of thing I was thinking of. The “best” alternative wends over 3,000 miles (like from Chicago to San Francisco, but over much worse roads) through what many consider to be enemy territory (Russia). We may ship oil, etc. on that route; but I doubt that we could move main battle tanks, etc.

    There is also the possibility of flying over China. I wonder what they would charge for those transit rights.

    I don’t know if you noticed from all this, that we seem to pick our wars in the most expensive places to get to. I used to think Vietnam was remote; and to their credit, “W” and Obama left us escape routes through Iraq and Pakistan. Trump and McMaster seem to be painting themselves into corners, then planning to remove the walls to get out.

32. @ Michael S:

    About Pakistan I don’t know. I doubt they’d defy the US once their perfidy has been exposed. As for Jordan, if Trump decides tomorrow, Jordan is G-O-N-E. and the midget kinglet with it. The US controls Jordan right at this minute. The kind is living on topof an unexploded bomb….yet. The fuse just hadn’t been lit so far.

33. @ Michael S:

    About Pakistan I don’t know. I dount they’d defy the US once their perfidy has been exposed. As for Jordan, if Trump decides tomorrow, Jordan is G-O-N-E. and the midget kinglet with it. The US controls Jordan right at this minute. The kind is living on topof an unexploded bomb….yet. The fuse just hadn’t been lit so far.

34. @ Sebastien Zorn:
    Probably cost less if they go during Lunch. Most places have a lunch special.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On7U-x_s_EE

35. @ Michael S:
    There are a number of alternative routes. Pakistan is the cheapest but also the least reliable and has closed its border to NATO on several occasions. See:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_logistics_in_the_Afghan_War

    [They could also go through the East Village in Manhattan as there is a restaurant on St Marks Place between 2nd Avenue and Astor Place called the Khyber Pass [that’s a joke.].

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke

36. Somebody please tell me, how the US plans to resupply its thousands of troops in Afghanistan, after the Pakistanis shut down our supply routes through their country. Turkmenistan? China? Have any of our generals studied geography? I’m also wondering, how we plan to continue helping the Syrian Kurds, if and when the pro-Iranian Iraqis and pro-Turkish Jordanians cut us off. It sounds very noble to say we are cutting off funding of all those enemy states; but how much are we bribing them to allow us overflights?

    If anyone knows, please tell me. Every time I look at a map of those places, the word “landlocked” creeps into my mind… and another word, “surrounded”

37. The most comprehensive account I’ve seen. When all the atrocities are placed side by side, one after the other the record is staggering. One thing for sure. Morton Klein and thr ZOA have made many attempts over many years, to get the US govt. to stop paying the PA to commit these obscene crimes,(for that’s what it amounts to) but it all has fallen on deaf ears in every administration.

    No nation would stand for this treatment, they would go in a clean out the whole damned lot of mamzerim right down to the ground and under it. …But Israel…..is different…a faigele,,,,,, likes to bargain, negotiate, let the great brains get exercise…… shmooze and shmear…….show how clever they are, but, through the Supreme Court (and even without it) persecute those who can’t fight back, like the hilltop youth, and the citizens in YESHA.. Pah.

    If Trump is sent this report, perhaps ZOA will do better.