Five young women who recently immigrated to Israel and live on Kibbutz Hanita join Israel Defense Forces, Border Police • “They are very motivated and determined to assume combat roles,” says an Israeli official involved with the program.
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Carrie French, Rachel Bernstein, Becca Perlin, Andrea Forsline and Nina Tabrizi
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Kibbutz Hanita, next to the Israel-Lebanon border, is used to taking pride in its avocado orchards and olive groves. But it now has a new source of pride, with five young women who made the kibbutz their home after immigrating to Israel currently serving in combat roles in the Israel Defense Forces and Border Police.
Hanita became home to eight men and eight women who immigrated to Israel this year as part of the Garin Tzabar program.
Andrea Forsline, 23, from Colorado, now a border policewoman in Judea and Samaria, said it was the anti-Semitism she witnessed while attending college in the United States that had made her decide to immigrate to Israel and join the IDF.
“I said that if I was going to join the military it had to be in a combat role. I like the fact that the Border Police brings so many people together — Jews, Druze, Circassians, Muslims, and Christians — and that everyone, together, contributes to Israel’s security,” Forsline said.
Nina Tabrizi, 22, from San Francisco, is currently in the last stages of her training as a member of the Homefront Command’s search and rescue unit.
“When I was in high school I was approached, like many of my friends, by U.S. Army recruiters. I knew I wanted to serve, but not in the U.S. — in Israel. I want a meaningful service. I want to be an officer and to make Israel my home,” she said.
Becca Perlin and Rachel Bernstein have joined the Homefront Command’s search and rescue unit, while Carrie French is a proud member of the Infantry Corps’ Caracal Battalion.
The Israeli Scouts and Tzvika Levy, head of the Kibbutz Movement’s Lone Soldiers Program, made sure that each of the women found an adoptive family in Hanita.
The Israeli Scouts play an active role in the Garin Tzabar program, alongside the Kibbutz Movement, the Jewish Agency and the Immigration Absorption Ministry.
“Usually the women decide to serve in various auxiliary roles, but the young women in Hanita were very motivated and determined to assume combat roles,” said Roni Bar-Kol, who oversees the Garin Tzabar program for the Israeli Scouts.
Ido Lotan, who heads the foreign relations department at the Israeli Scouts, said, “These fighters are an example of the potential of the Garin Tzabar program. They chose to come here despite many difficulties just to realize their dream of serving in the Israeli military.”
yamit82 Said:
It’s the ROCK WHERE MOSES STOOD!!!!!!
@ dweller:
How do you know whether horses or any animal do not fantasize? Do your mystic talents tap into a Horses subconscious?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm-MYqXhXFg
dweller Said:
No spin just reading the text as written without the spin, your spin which is practically verbatim spin of all christian apologists re: these texts. Apparently it goes to my premise that the compilers of the NT were not Jews and or were so assimilated that their knowledge of Judaism and Jewish customs was minimal and they made so may mistakes and assumptions that it’s laughable for any Jew who is knowledgeable re: to Judaism and can read Hebrew not Greek.
Now since you spin er, explanation of your false messiah guy is exactly the same as every other christian apologist I have read on these verses either they copied from you or you them. Since many have lived before your time the answer again should be obvious.
Why would it or should it? For any Jew is was common knowledge. Doesn’t say where they had to go to bury their fathers either? In fact it doesn’t say much because they wanted to emphasize the statement of yesu. The disciples were irrelevant to the narrative for the authors or compilers. I cannot imagine any real Jew of that time and place who would not do what those disciples did. G-d’s commandments override any cult leader and divine pretenders. Is it any wonder the Jews rejected the phony baloney?
One example of christian apologetic: Recognize it?
Btw what does sitting in Moses’s seat mean to you? A chair Moses sat in? If a Jew causes another Jew to sin is he not also a sinner even worse?
dweller Said:
Providence and good fortune have spared me!!!!!!
@ honeybee:
“Obviously” your OWN expertise doesn’t extend to horses or to human sexuality OR to me.
@ dweller:
I don’t which you know less about horses or Human sexuality! Obviously you have no experience with either.
@ yamit82:
Ten-yr-olds grow up, however.
If a stallion catches the scent of an in-season mare in his territory, he will become aroused for a while. But if he cannot get to her, the arousal will subside. If she remains in his territory, he may be subject to arousal until her season passes. But even if he NEVER gets to her at all, he’ll be none-the-worse for having gone without. Life will go on for him, and he’ll be just fine.
Because for him, it’s purely biochemistry. He doesn’t fantasize.
For animals, the SEASON is the reason.
For man, there is no ‘season.’ His reason IS his “season.”
He was made for emotional discipline — but fantasy leaves no room for that.
@ yamit82:
You have CHOSEN to place that spin on it because of your existing prejudices.
“Obvious” only to one inclined to make the assumption. Not to anybody else knowing the mores of the day.
Again, you don’t know that.
— haNitzri, OTOH, was there, and drew a different conclusion.
Quite so. But you are making MY case; not yours. It was precisely the circumstances you describe which made the disciple[s] request[s] lame & suspicious.
You honestly think such incidents would’ve even been INCLUDED in the gospels if they had been requests for nothing more than a week’s leave? Why? — the writers (not to mention the compilers) certainly would’ve had no REASON to cast their central character in a bad light.
Because the text does not specify a request for “a max of 7 days.”
“You apologists”? No idea what you’re talking about. Omit those words from what? It sounds like you are arguing with somebody else, not me. Like I’m just a stand-in for them.
I’m not into commentaries, Yamit. If you are, you should take your case directly to the commentators, and bat this stuff around with them (those that are still alive). I read a text for MYSELF, and draw my own conclusions as to its significance. And I don’t give a rusty screw whether they agree or disagree with commentators — ANY commentators.
Not so. Is there a point in all this?
@ yamit82:
Another comedienne?
dweller Said:
And then let the dead bury the dead?
@ dweller:
yeshu was encouraging His disciples to break the fifth commandment (honor your father and mother) by not giving their fathers a proper burial. Seems obvious that there was a conflict of loyalties between the disciples responsibilities to their dead fathers and their commitment to follow yeshu.
Your stock interpretation of christian apologetic of the manner your yeshu answered the disciple who wanted to do only his duty to his parent according to G-d’s commandment is lame, flawed and inaccurate re: the custom of burial.
Because after the first 7 days of mourning after internment the mourner is free to engage in normal activity but only to avoid certain mundane practices which should not have interfered with his duty or devotion to his yeshu. The 30 days is not prohibitive in most ways of performing normal life functions and events. Final internment is a one off ceremony event not restrictive for the previous 11 months. Sounds like your messiah was a stinking primitive dictator who broached no disobedience and was anything but tolerant understanding and kind. He was a mean divisive and intolerant SOB and showed it on many occasions.
This action of yeshu happened twice: (Matt. 8:21-22; Luke 9:59-60) and in both cases “Follow Me, let the dead bury their own dead” minimizes the importance of the adverb first. In each case, a disciple was requesting time to fulfill his family obligation regarding the burial of his father. Once this was discharged, the disciple would return and follow yeshu. (You do not explain the disciples request for time A max of 7 days). Not 30 days of even a year is relevant in fact.
You apologists also omit the words “their own dead”. “Let the spiritually dead bury the physically dead”. However, the text says,”their own dead”, indicating that both occurrences of dead are connected in a reflexive possessive relation. There is no need to spiritualize the text regarding the dead; both are physically dead!
Jewish burial custom is based on the injunction found in the Mosaic Law, not to leave the corpse on an executed person on the tree overnight (Deut. 21:22-23). Two examples of immediate burials are found in the New Testament: yeshu (John 19:31) and Ananias and Sapphira (Acts 5:6-10).
If it was good enough for your yesu certainly a follower should be afforded the same right?
A Jewish yeshu might have replied instead of his quoted statement:
This interpretation allows for yeshu to have upheld the fifth commandment, takes the text at face value, and does justice to the Jewish burial practices of the first century.
@ yamit82:
When a family member died, the body was placed in a tomb or burial cave, while the family underwent the initial week-long mourning period [shiva]. This was followed by shloshim, the month-long followup to shiva.
The mourning period, however, included waiting for the full decomposition of the body, a year-&-a-half or more. The process was completed by the gathering [“ossilegium”] of the now bare bones into an a bone chest [“ossuary”] — also designated “secondary burial.” According to the prevalent tradition of the day, this relieved the departed from judgment.
That’s the gist of it. (I’m sure I ran this down for you on a previous occasion, a couple yrs ago.) The disciple apparently wanted to take the better part of a year to reconsider what he was getting himself into, and Christ saw that he was using the “bury-my-father” ploy as a pretext.
As for a link, that may be harder to provide. If you want references, however, check the Yerushalmi (Moed Qatan 1:5). That’s a good place to start.
@ yamit82:
Let nature take its corpse?
yamit82 Said:
Something to chew on???????????
@ yamit82:
purgatorio???
honeybee Said:
But you should see them in the light of day…..All Bones.
honeybee Said:
Sounds like a match made in Heaven or Hell…. You choose!!!!
@ yamit82:
Polygamy!!!!! There is your answer, no single Ladies in Dimona, I hear the Ladies there glow greenish in the dark.
yamit82 Said:
Much better, the Massage therapist show up!!!1
yamit82 Said:
dweller Said:
Why don’t you enlighten me about 1st century Jewish funerals with links to your sources. I admit it’s an area I have never thought to study or investigate.
dweller Said:
Maybe. What do you suggest?
honeybee Said:
Me? Since I was 10 years old I’ve been in a continuous honey state with brief interruptions.
How’s your back spasms?
@ yamit82:
Maybe the cats are starting to look good to him. . . .
yamit82 Said:
Speak for yourself, Yamit82, Darlin!!!!
dweller Said:
Dear heart, the only thing t hat needs a box is the kippod!!!
honeybee Said:
Porcupine and he is fine but needs a mate. He is now in one of his hyper horny states. My cats are still not pleased he is among us. They sit for hours sometimes just watching him.
@ honeybee:
I’m not the one who has ‘pre-existing boxes.’
But you might wanna check in with the lady in the mirror next time you visit the powder room. SHE may have something to tell you about ‘pre-existing boxes.’
@ yamit82:
A parable? — THAT’s your evidence that he “encouraged the beating of slaves”? — Vey iz mir.
He isn’t recorded as denouncing leprosy either — Nu?
So, you’ve seen the printed invitations then?
Mostly, thisall says a lot about you, putzele.
So, you’ve not only got it up for me; you’ve also got it up for HIM, ken ayin hara? (Hoo haa!)
Told you a hundred times if I’ve told you once:
I don’t ‘worship’ HIM.
I worship the God he worshipped
— the only REAL one.
You’ve wasted a whole post on this narrishkeit, Yamit. How desperate you must be.
The question is, WHY?
@ yamit82:
You know this for a fact? — Simply because it doesn’t appear in the gospel? — THAT’s your reason?
Gospel doesn’t record him saying, ‘Let’s have fish for breakfast,’ EITHER. (Though he probably did at one point or another.) — SFW?
You think it’s ok for a man to father children, knowing they won’t have him beyond his late-30’s — when they’re growing up & will need him the most?
Truth is, unlike the rest of us, he didn’t NEED to be married OR have children.
Wishful thinking, Yamit?
Neither of those conclusions is supported by the text (as I’ve shown you on myriad occasions).
Don’t recall using that kind of lingo in re PresentCompany (wouldja like me to?)
I’ve told you already, Yamit:
If you have a real case to make, then merely citing scripture verses with no accompanying argument (a sparse word or phrase, if that, is no argument) will not — because it CANNOT — make your case.
You really make it impossible to take you seriously in these matters.
“Time off”??? — We aren’t talking here about sitting shiva for a week. If you knew anything at all about 1st century Judean funerals & burial practices & mores, you would know that the disciple was effectively asking for 18 months to 2yrs “off.”
— But I’ve been over this with you before, Yamit (and in substantially greater detail). You’re just ponderously slow at picking up anything whose implications you find inconvenient.
@ yamit82:
Have I indeed? In that case, you should have no problem quoting my ‘quoting’ of them. SHOW me somebody else’s remarks in re this matter that I have “quoted.”
You mean haNitzri? — the Nazarene? After all these years of my using it, you ask me only now?
This is an issue for you? — it’s not a ‘name,’ and you aren’t willing to USE his name.
He didn’t drown anybody or anything. He ordered the demons out of the possessed man, and they entered the swine; they had to go somewhere.
— You’d rather he’d left the man in his agonies?
“Believe in”? — you mean, do I believe they exist? You betcha.
Yes, it certainly does. Says a lot ALSO about yours, that you don’t.
As fallen angels, they DON’T need a flesh body to exist, any more than other angels need a body to exist. However, unlike those angels who retained their original estate, they DO need a body as relief from the anguish of their guilt (and the sure knowledge of their ultimate annihilation) — inasmuch as angels (fallen or otherwise) have no capacity for repentance.
Don’t recall the gospel citing a specific number. “We are legion” essentially means, ‘there are many of us.’
Yes, it would’ve been a substantial loss (assuming swine-herding in that era was lawful in Judea). That’s why (a couple verses later) when the denizens of Gan-natzeret got word of what he had done, “When they saw him, they begged him that he would leave their coast”
Kinneret, Sea of Galilee.
Don’t recall it saying either “high cliffs” OR “a “deep” body of water
— rather, that the entire herd “ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and they perished in the waters.”
You’re right; he didn’t. I’ve been telling you this for YEARS.
And so has HE:
“Of myself I can do NOTHING. The Father within me, HE doeth the works…”
That wasn’t his mission, told you that too.
— Neither God nor Moshiach leaves man out of the equation.
If you’ve a point to make in quoting scripture, then make it. The mere citing of a passage makes no claim or argument or case, in and of itself.
the phoenix Said:
Yes fished “Wild Plum at Night” now beginning “Flea Market Mona Lisa”.
the phoenix Said:
What’s kippod?
yamit82 Said:
Where do I phone for an appointment, do you have oils also?
@ yamit82:
I’ll bet dollars to doughnuts that the comment was to be directed to the Texas wilderness and not to this (STILL… %#€$&!!) winter wonderland…
😉
Finished painting?
How’s the kippod?
@ the phoenix:
You need my magical hands as I am an expert masseur. Learned from experts in the Far East.
‘Have Hands Will Travel’
*****I also bring my handy dandy portable Jacuzzi.*****
@ phoenix
TX is not a cat person!!!! We do have cats, but they are large enough to kill deer. I am doing exercises that my PT gave me to do. “What ever does not kill you makes you strong”. if you believe that you’re a crazy a Neitche.
@ honeybee:
hope you feel better, hb.
my rx for you is get a cat…
it will position itself on the very aching spot, and will start to ‘knead’ till it goes away…
🙂
@ yamit82:
Tucking up Sweetie, back spasms, lot of pain. Yawl have sweet dreams, Darlin
I’ve read the apologists claims and lame explanations. You have quoted them verbatim. Who the fuck is hasmutzri? Never mentioned in your phony bible. Made it up all by yourself or did you plagiarizer the name from some other pagan cultists? Facts of the matter still remain: He showed his respect for life by drowning innocent animals (Matthew 8:32).
You believe in demons??? Says a lot about your mental state. You believe those demons needed a warm living body to exist? If true spirits, why would they?
So the naked guy got rid of his demons? The crazy naked guy had 2000 demons in him and still lived? The pig herder lost all his pigs say at $100 dollars a piece; that’s quite a fortune and they let your AH live after allowing those demons to commit Hari-Kari by drowning? What body of water might that have been? Lets see high cliffs over a deep body of water?? Cliffs of Dover maybe?
Your guy didn’t really have any power otherwise he would have cured everyone and ended poverty, hunger and brought real peace to the world. Phony BS just like you.
“If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.” (Luke 14:26)
“I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.” (Matthew 10:35-36)
When one of his disciples requested time off for his father’s funeral, Jesus rebuked him: “Let the dead bury their dead.” (Matthew 8:22)
Jesus never used the word “family.” He never married or fathered children. He was a faggot!!!
To his own mother, he said, “Woman, what have I to do with thee?” (John 2:4) Hated his mother and by showing no respect deserved to be put to death according to JEWISH LAW and the Ten suggestions you and he claimed to uphold.
You called me fascist war monger???
“Think not that I am come to send peace: I came not to send peace but a sword.” (Matthew 10:34)
“He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.” (Luke 22:36)
“But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.” (Luke 19:27.
“If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.” (John 15:6)
yeshu looked at his critics “with anger” (Mark 3:5),
yeshu attacked merchants with a whip (John 2:15).
He refused to heal a sick child until he was pressured by the mother and called her a dog. (Matthew 15:22-28)
The revealed real character of yeshu: “The Son of man [yeshu himself] shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.” (Matthew 13:41-42) Wow what vindictiveness from a nut case!!!
“And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched.” (Mark 9:43) This is what you are really afraid of isn’t it Barbie!!????
“Family Values” of yeshu:
“If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.” (Luke 14:26)
“I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.” (Matthew 10:35-36)
When one of his disciples requested time off for his father’s funeral, Jesus rebuked him: “Let the dead bury their dead.” (Matthew 8:22)
He encouraged the beating of slaves: “And that servant [slave], which knew his lord’s will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.” (Luke 12:47) He never denounced servitude and it’s apparent he was for it..
Ever notice no women were chosen as disciples or invited to the Last Supper???? Says a lot about the fruitcake. Another clue that he was really into men.
And these character attributes: Let everyone know you are better than the rest. (Matthew 5:13-16), Take money from those who have no savings and give it to rich investors. (Luke 19:23-26), If you do something wrong with your eye or hand, cut/pluck it off (Matthew 5:29-30, in a sexual context). 🙂 yeshu said that whoever calls somebody a “fool” shall be in danger of hell fire (Matthew 5:22), yet he called people “fools” himself (Matthew 23:17). (Do as he says not as he does???) HYPOCRITE!!
Crazy yeshu: He irrationally cursed a fig tree for being fruitless out of season (Matthew 21:18-19, and Mark 11:13-14).
He broke the law by stealing corn on the Sabbath (Mark 2:23), and he encouraged his disciples to take a horse without asking permission (Matthew 21).
And you worship this faggot nut case???? 🙂
@ yamit82:
Not evasive.
— Courteous. And speculative.
“Jeezus” was evasive?
That seems to have been THEIR assumption (in each case). Turned out to have been. . . . mistaken.
No idea what that means. You’ll have to translate.