Five young women who recently immigrated to Israel and live on Kibbutz Hanita join Israel Defense Forces, Border Police • “They are very motivated and determined to assume combat roles,” says an Israeli official involved with the program.
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Carrie French, Rachel Bernstein, Becca Perlin, Andrea Forsline and Nina Tabrizi
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Kibbutz Hanita, next to the Israel-Lebanon border, is used to taking pride in its avocado orchards and olive groves. But it now has a new source of pride, with five young women who made the kibbutz their home after immigrating to Israel currently serving in combat roles in the Israel Defense Forces and Border Police.
Hanita became home to eight men and eight women who immigrated to Israel this year as part of the Garin Tzabar program.
Andrea Forsline, 23, from Colorado, now a border policewoman in Judea and Samaria, said it was the anti-Semitism she witnessed while attending college in the United States that had made her decide to immigrate to Israel and join the IDF.
“I said that if I was going to join the military it had to be in a combat role. I like the fact that the Border Police brings so many people together — Jews, Druze, Circassians, Muslims, and Christians — and that everyone, together, contributes to Israel’s security,” Forsline said.
Nina Tabrizi, 22, from San Francisco, is currently in the last stages of her training as a member of the Homefront Command’s search and rescue unit.
“When I was in high school I was approached, like many of my friends, by U.S. Army recruiters. I knew I wanted to serve, but not in the U.S. — in Israel. I want a meaningful service. I want to be an officer and to make Israel my home,” she said.
Becca Perlin and Rachel Bernstein have joined the Homefront Command’s search and rescue unit, while Carrie French is a proud member of the Infantry Corps’ Caracal Battalion.
The Israeli Scouts and Tzvika Levy, head of the Kibbutz Movement’s Lone Soldiers Program, made sure that each of the women found an adoptive family in Hanita.
The Israeli Scouts play an active role in the Garin Tzabar program, alongside the Kibbutz Movement, the Jewish Agency and the Immigration Absorption Ministry.
“Usually the women decide to serve in various auxiliary roles, but the young women in Hanita were very motivated and determined to assume combat roles,” said Roni Bar-Kol, who oversees the Garin Tzabar program for the Israeli Scouts.
Ido Lotan, who heads the foreign relations department at the Israeli Scouts, said, “These fighters are an example of the potential of the Garin Tzabar program. They chose to come here despite many difficulties just to realize their dream of serving in the Israeli military.”
@ honeybee:
I guess you should tell Yamit; he’s certain that I am “anal retentive.”
No need for “Depends” if that’s the case.
In any event, it’s apparent you’ve BOTH got me confused with somebody else.
— I go commando.
You clearly DON’T “understand” much, HB.
— I don’t need “comfort”; I’m not uncomfortable.
The only thing I ever “phone out for” is pizza, and even that’s pretty rare.
dweller Said:
Evasive answer now he’s playing Jeezus.
If somebody really wanted dweller pushing up dailies or lilies, they would have succeeded. Maybe it was a script change.
@ yamit82:
You are confused. Demons are strictly spirit beings, noncorporeal; they cannot ‘drown.’
Having been driven out of the man they’d driven mad, they then (on permission from haNitzri) entered the bodies of the PIGS — which preferred to drown than endure being inhabited by the demons.
@ the phoenix:
“Seven”? — Where did I say there were seven?
I’m unaware of assigning a specific number. What I said was, “every single individual who has ever tried to kill me…”
Maybe they had a death wish of their own?
@ dweller:
Dweller,
like you, I am sure that it was a very odd coincidence.. 😉
So, if I understand this ‘coincidence’ well, either way you look at it, you say that there were some seven individuals who (for whatever reasons) they wanted to kill you and (as luck would have it) not only they did not succeed in their mission… But (as it turns out) they are no ,longer alive…
Ok.
I take it at face value.
Let’s say that Accidents DO happen.
But just out of sheer curiosity…
Why would seven different individuals wish to kill you ??? (And by trying to do just that, it has led to their demise…celestial coincidence or not.)
@ yamit82:
We have a Meadow Lark around the house looking for love. Starts calling at day-break. if it wasn’t so beautiful to hear I’d be fussed. Romance has the coyote community in an uproar, every about 1:99 or 2:00 am.
dweller Said:
And I discovered you wear Depends, tsk ,tsk,. Now I understand why you must phone out for female/male comfort.
@ yamit82:
Why feed the pigs dreck???????????
dweller Said:
Must be one to those demons who didn’t drown when that monster effectively murdered them, you know the ones? I might be just one of the ones who survived, reincarnated. 😛
honeybee Said:
Nothing!!! I like pigs, horses, dogs ,bears, cats and even Camels but I can’t eat them. (Laws of Kashrut) But I can enjoy them, play with them and even have them as pets. There is only one pig and pig killer, dog and Fig Tree hater I have issues with. 🙂
@ honeybee:
Nothing whatsoever.
That little bit of wishful thinking was the action of a pig talking in a man’s body.
Pigs are kindred spirits to him.
@ yamit82:
In a true war of survival, there would be no way of avoiding the NEED to fight. That’s what it means to BE a war of survival.
Under such circumstances, the notion of “obligation” would be moot.
But that is a FAR cry from deliberately putting women into the field, where capture means they’ll be raped to death.
— Even YOU can’t be that stupid. NOBODY is.
Of course; after all, you say so. (And who in blazes are you!? — A loudmouth with a web connection?)
But you always say “we are now involved in such a [Holy War]” — since you need to — it fits your deathbound agenda so well.
Your thinking is strangely, and characteristically, familiar. . . .
“red-rag and pink-flag
blackshirt and brown
strut-mince and stink-brag
have all come to town
“some like it shot
and some like it hung
and some like it in the twot
nine months young”
What kind of ‘cowards’ would they be?
— (as distinct from cowards like you?)
“We did”?
— at last: conclusive proof that you AREN’T Jewish.
Jews in 1st century Judea had no constituted authority to carry out executions — in any manner.
The actual ‘tree-nailing’ project you reference was strictly a Roman affair.
For the record, every single individual who has ever tried to kill me is (by odd coincidence, no doubt) —
Quite dead.
Dead as a doornail.
Dead as Marley’s Ghost.
Flatlining for fun-&-profit.
Bit the Big Biscuit.
Pushing up the daisies.
Reformatted by the Man-in-the-sky. . . .
@ honeybee:
Takes more than your calling it a ‘problem’ to make it one.
Told you already why it’s necessary.
As a direct participant in a given exchange, YOU may (or may not) be able to maintain the sense of continuity essential to understanding its specific arc of discussion.
But the posters in on an exchange aren’t the only ones who read these blogs
— and other readers may enter a thread at any point along the arc without knowing the significance of a present exchange or how relates (if at all) to the thread.
It isn’t fair to them to confine these exchanges to a purely one-on-one, “pen-pal” discussion.
@ honeybee:
Of course; that was my backside you were nosing around in. (Serves you right, Twinkie.)
Why do you ask? (Think I been readin’ your mail?)
Once you grasp the principles in play
— peeking’s never needed.
A word, a tone, a gesture, glance
— and the game’s given away.
yamit82 Said:
What do yawl have against pigs????????????????
dweller Said:
In a Milchemt Mitzvah ( an obligatory war) everybody is obligated to fight even women. We are now involved in such a war.
Cowards like you would be nailed to a tree then hung after you die just as we did to your messiah guy.
I would have you disemboweled as well and your remains fed to the pigs.
dweller Said:
That is the problem with your posting***repetition. I heard you already
dweller Said:
YES AND THERE IS NOT MUCH TO SEE.
dweller Said:
HAVE YOU BEEN PEEKING, SWEETIE
@ honeybee:
Been peeking, have you?
You resented her (and still do), and that enabled the very things you resented about her to make a home in you. . . .
What’s that got to do with anything regarding this exchange?
dweller Said:
With more Male parts then you were endowed!!!! Sweets
dweller Said:
My Mom and I never saw ” eye to eye” but that woman had courage, I called her the last Viking.
@ honeybee:
“Dear heart,” you wouldn’t know whether I personally am or am not. But I didn’t say that YoursTruly was gutzy.
If you’ll review the thread, you’ll see that I said that what I had previously WRITTEN was gutzy (as opposed to chutzpadik, as you’d let on).
— It certainly caught you off-guard.
(I see you’re still catching your breath.)
I repeat: THEY ARE CHILDREN.
And they are not gutzy. You confuse style with substance (why am I not surprised?).
NOBODY may be said to be gutzy before their brain’s judgment centers have completed their development
— and THAT doesn’t happen until at least one’s late 20’s.
Before that time, LOTS of traits & quirks may masquerade as courage.
But the real article hasn’t yet even boarded the train
— let alone, arrived at the station.
@ honeybee:
Ah, yes, your mom hovering, in spirit, over your shoulder; I do understand.
— Very likely, you heard that line a lot from her (“You just can’t stop yourself.”.
No doubt, SHE would’ve overlooked my followup clause:
“… but one needn’t experience THAT either to know there’s something wrong with it.”
A pity that you overlooked it too. But that tells us just how much she is still with you.
@ yamit82:
That’s common knowledge, but also off-point. The issue in this exchange was NOT rape per se.
— The issue was purely & specifically the advisability of placing women in combat. Everything else was strictly peripheral to that.
Whattasteamingpile. (My God, can you ever sling it !!!)
Your objection didn’t have SPIT to do with any purported attempt of mine “to demonize Islam.” That was at no time anywhere on my radar screen, as you are (and WERE) perfectly well aware.
— I had scarcely even mentioned Islam in my original post to HB, and then only parenthically (re-read it for yourself, #9 above).
You simply seized upon the ‘dissing Islam’ red herring because it seemed handy.
Your real ‘objection’ was to the fact that I’d had the temerity (& good judgment) to take an eminently sensible, if much overlooked, position in re a military issue (“women don’t belong in combat”) that you yourself hadn’t gotten ’round to taking.
(Though I note that after at least a couple of exchanges, you have YET to dispute the basic position itself or the bare-bones rationale for it.)
An utterly meaningless statement, since in almost all contemporary conflicts (if not absolutely all), one of the sides is invariably Muslim
— and THEY don’t put women in combat (female suicide bomber pressured into going to crowded pizza parlor, etc, for self-immolation. . . is not combat).
So there’s really nothing to make comparison with.
Also meaningless. There no longer ARE any “christian countries.”
That doesn’t refute (or even challenge) my basic premise:
Women don’t belong in combat.
@ yamit82:
I’m SURE the victims don’t care about the perps’ motivations.
But the fact is that a Muslim enemy in a Muslim country is far more likely to be a product of Arabo-Islamic culture (du-uh!) and thus more likely, in the present era, to treat a captured female COMBATANT in the manner I described.
— And military planners are damned stupid — criminally stupid, I daresay — to be ignoring that reality for the sake of boneheaded political correctness.
Dissing some group isn’t my trip, and never has been — and you know it, putzele.
It would, of course, be THOROUGLHLY in character for several other parties on this board (and you are ABSOLUTELY one of them).
What’s more, YOUR attempting to throw that ‘dissing-a-group’ jacket around me (or for that matter, around anybody else) is nothing short of laughable.
For ANYBODY to be effectively accused of bigotry by the likes of PresentCompany is a lot like being called “ugly” by a toad.
Careful, shmendrick; you are reeeeaching SO hard with this one that if you’re not careful you’ll pop a ligament.
@ yamit82:
Don’t need to parse. I got it right the first time, when I wrote it.
But this is merely your left-handed way of transparently admitting (quite in spite of yourself) that you hadn’t read my original post carefully, and instead just jumped on what you thought at the time would be a nice soft target, exposed & vulnerable, an easy shot.
— You outfoxed yourself, because your intentions were ill-conceived in the first place.
dweller Said:
your tying to fit me into your pre-existing box.
yamit82 Said:
The motivation is to terrorize the civilian population.
dweller Said:
You just can’t stop yourself.
dweller Said:
Dear heart, your not gutzy. The Israeli women pictured are gutzy.
Abu Mazen does a Qaddafi
dweller Said:
Parsing again?
I don’t believe victims of rape by any military or militant organization give a shit whether the motivations of the perps is religion? Does seem to matter to you and those with specific agendas using the act of rape to dis a particular group or individual.
After the Russians moved into Germany at the end of WW2 they raped every female German woman child and grandmother they found and it was not a religious diktat or motivation. It was a military act of revenge.
When Muslims rape there is no moral restraints because it’s part of the culture in most non western cultures. African tribes behave differently? Asians and Japanese in WW2 behaved no differently. Rape in times of warfare is a consequence of war and practiced with sanction by every western Christian nation until very recently but practiced with out sanction by same in recent history.
I didn’t look up the official incidence of reported rapes in the US Military but whatever they are I know it’s high even though the official number is under reported.
Rape statistics
Rape in the United States
My objection is to your attempt to demonize Islam by using the rape issue. It is at least as bad in a myriad of non Islamic cultures and not in most cases religiously sanctioned or dictated. Like in India. Women combatants will face about the same fate if captured no matter from which country they fight for and against any adversary including christian countries. Every country has murdered POW’s including Israel.
@ honeybee:
No.
And your SAYING that is just your way of trying to recover from your shock
— of trying to keep the implications of what I said at bay.
But you’re dead wrong in insisting that I ‘enjoyed’ shocking you.
Don’t misunderstand me, I’m glad you were shocked, HB; I think you needed to be.
— Not that you’re the only one who needs a good shocking in this matter; a good SHAKING in this matter. Whenever the subject of “women in combat” comes up, there are a lot of people (men AND women) who have simply never thought this through — and it’s long past time they did.
I sometimes DO shock, in order to teach or to illustrate.
But I NEVER shock for personal enjoyment.
Never.
@ yamit82:
Didn’t say “just Muslims.” I said especially Muslims.
It’s quite true that Americans (some of them) — and non-Muslims of other countries too — are “not much better.” But you’re less than likely to find them presuming to justify that stuff in the name of religion.
What I said had NOTHING to do with the news OR redneck blogs. Didn’t read it there. (Didn’t need to, in order to write what I wrote.)
Unlike you, I don’t need the direct experience to visualize it (let alone, to understand it).
Y’know, there are some parts of town where you can pay a “lady-of-the-night” to empty the contents of her lower intestine directly into your mouth
— but one needn’t experience THAT either to know there’s something wrong with it.
yamit82 Said:
War removes the thin veneer of civilization , and dweller did enjoy trying to shock me with his “purple prose”. Did you ever read “The Coronet” about Napoleon’s invasion of Russia.
@ dweller:
Not just Muslims… Americans are not much better and I know. I don’t like you get off on reading shit in the news and on red neck blogs…. The closest you ever came to a war zone was a car backfiring.
@ honeybee:
Gutzy, perhaps, but not chutzpadik. And what I told you is about MEN, more than it is about women.
I’m objective; I’m simply telling you where it’s at.
What I said wasn’t about “horrors,” but about clear-sighted, projected reality (re-read the post, #9 this pg); I know how such men think
— so I showed you WHY “women in combat” is a dumb-assed, incredibly myopic idea — whosoever pushes it.
@ dweller:
Really,Darlin a man explaining, the horrors of gang rape or rape, to a woman!!! It’s originality, its hutzpah!!!
@ honeybee:
You find THAT “purple”??
Expressions like “over much” sound a lot MORE “purple” in my ear than anything I’VE put in print lately.
I do enjoy writing (more than I used to enjoy it), but I can tell you without hesitation that the session in which I wrote the line you referenced [here, above]
— was no more (or less) ‘enjoyable’ for me than any other.
You’re still trying to fit me into a preexisting box, HB.
People having been trying to do that for as long as I can remember.
But I’m an original
— and becoming MORE original, the older I get.
dweller Said:
I think you enjoyed writing this purple prose of yours over much!!!!!!!!!!Darlin
dweller Said:
Like a harem or a Burka, I should prefer to be trained to defend myself.
@ honeybee:
@ honeybee:
There’s a difference between inadvertently finding yourself in a situation where rape is a possibility
— and knowingly PLACING yourself in one where it’s a definite part of the landscape.
dweller Said:
Women on the Texas border were all train to fight rather then submit themselves to the Comanche’s and Poncho Villa’s “Eldorados”.
@ dweller:
Then I would prefer [ as would every woman I know] and then I ,like the Indian fighters of old, save the last bullet for myself.
@ honeybee:
ANYBODY (male or female) who is captured anywhere in a war zone is at risk; that’s a given.
But a woman captured in COMBAT (esp in combat against Muslims) is more than likely to be raped.
And they won’t rape such a woman just once, or even just twice — not a woman taken in combat; they will “do” HER to death. They’ll pass her around, taking turns for an evening’s entertainment.
They’ll do her for fun. They’ll do her as their jihadi idea of a “warning” to the Great Satan Enemy.
They’ll do her as “punishment” of every woman in their life who “didn’t know her place.”
And for them, that’ll make it all-the-more satisfying. They might even put the damned show on YouTube; wouldn’t surprise me.
Shouldn’t surprise you either. You won’t hear about it on the network news that they raped her to death; that wouldn’t be PC. They’ll just say she was “killed in action”. . . .
Think it over. And don’t shoot the messenger. I don’t ‘make’ the news; I only report it.
@ dweller:
Are you trying to say that if woman are non-combatants they will be safe from rape in war time.
@ honeybee:
Don’t understand the question. Re-state it.
@ dweller:
Non combat civilian women a sacrosanct ????
@ honeybee:
Women captured in combat are more likely to BE raped
— and gang-raped at that.
dweller Said:
Better to defend oneself then to be raped. Remember Deborah and Yael!
Women don’t belong in combat.
And it’s worse with these.
They are children.
I never tire of stories like this!
You go Ladies.