Proximity talks have yet to start

Two state goal ‘too narrow’ says Ayalon

The US envoy is still trying to bridge wide gaps between Israel and the Palestinians regarding the timetable for the indirect talks, as well as the agenda of those talks.

[..] While the Palestinians want to begin the Mitchell-mediated discussions by talking about borders, Israel wants the talks to focus on security arrangements of a future Palestinian state. Among the security-related issues Israel wants to discuss are the following:

    • How to guarantee that the future Palestinian state will be demilitarized.

    • How Israel will monitor the eastern border of a future Palestinian state to ensure that weapons are not smuggled in.

    • How to come to an agreement regarding Israel’s right to use the airspace over the future Palestinian state.

    • How to find a mechanism that would enable Israel to pursue terrorists across the border in the event of a terrorist attack.

    • How to ensure Israeli monitoring and surveillance stations will be established in the new state, at least for the first few years.

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  1. US, Israel do not believe in peace with Arabs

    A few days ago, Obama’s administration agreed to finance Israeli Iron Dome SAM battery – which only makes sense if both countries expect the rocket attacks from Gaza to continue for years to come.

    In Israel, police battled haredi demonstrators who protested relocation of graves in Ashkelon to make room for the underground facility of Barzilai Hospital. The facility only makes sense if the government expects Grad rockets from Gaza three years from now

  2. In 1993 Yitzhak Rabin told Israelis, ‘stop being afraid. There is no danger that these guns will be used against us. The purpose of this ammunition for the Palestinian police is to be used in their vigilant fight against Hamas. They won’t dream of using it against us because they know very well that if they use these guns against us, at that moment the Oslo Accord will be annulled and Tzahal will return to all the places that have been given to them [the PA].’

    “Yossi Sarid (Meretz) added, ‘Arafat knows very well that if the terror continues and the guns will be turned against us, the IDF will not hesitate to return in full force.'”

    years later, after several expulsions and thousands of murders of Jews, under relentless great power pressure and betrayal from within, Israel’s government is more fragmented then ever and led by a de facto branch of the State Department.

    Anyone who wishes a detailed review of entrenched State Department hostility for Jews and Israel should read David S. Wyman’s The Abandonment of the Jews: America and the Holocaust, 1941-5 (revised 1998). Only the style has changed, and the deportations of Jews now occur in Israel and lead to tent cities, poverty and exile, not to crematoria.

    Of course the process, a multi-faceted lie from its name to its methods, has been and is made of many subsidiary lies and euphemisms. Rabin told school children in Tel Aviv that “if they told us that the price of peace is giving up on a Jerusalem united under Israeli sovereignty, my reply would be, ‘let’s do without peace'” (Agence France Press 6-27-5).

    “But while Rabin and his administration were promising strict monitoring and reprisals, Nabil Sha’ath, Arafat’s crony described the ‘process’ more clear-sightedly: “when Israel will say, ‘that’s it. No more; we refuse to talk about dividing Jerusalem, we will not allow the refugees to return, we will not evacuate the settlements, we will naturally return to violence. But by that time we will have 30,000 armed Palestinian soldiers in our cities on land with a large measure of freedom.’ (This is a January 1996, tape cassette by Palestine Media Watch http://www.pmw.org.il).”

    The Arabs have never ceased articulating their “phased plan” for Israel’s destruction and its embodiment in Oslo, the Road Map and “disengagement,” convergence toward that proverbial head of pin and Jewish exile. These previews in the 1990s of Israel’s current reality should indicate the approaches needed to break the chain dragging the Jewish people toward disaster.

    “the religious wars and pogroms of past centuries have become a war by atheist leader of the neo-pagan West using Islam to blot out the name of Israel so they can get on with constructing their global village. Internationalizing conflicts to justify “humanitarian intervention” by NATO or the UN is the strategic plan of our day… ‘Americans soon may be forced to choose between civil liberties and security,’ Secretary of State William Cohen [coyly and presciently] told Army Times in March 1999. The horrors of this fraud will be the greater in that it will be done to ‘save the Jews'” whom the powers have done their all to isolate, disarm, and imperil.

    As for Rabin and Sarid’s promises quoted above, after terrorist attacks against the Jews of Gush Katif escalated in the pre-planned “second intifada,” the IDF did not do what it had pledged and what its mission requires. “The regional Brigadier General commented [after a particularly terrible bus bombing that] “this is war, plain and simple with Jewish children as targets”

    “Bad ideas, self-deluding fantasies become habits that kill. The ‘peace’ fanatics become like automatons who have above all those who would wake them from their trance. Evil has become their good. One awaits a rising of officers who will take the nation back from its undertakers…”

    And we were still waiting as the iron ring closed on Gush Katif. But the suppression of history, identity and honor has done its work.

    “There was an original sin in the re-born state that produced and reflected broken and crippling leaders” It was the sinking of the Altalena that reflected an almost hysteric disinclination to take all of Jerusalem and the Temple Mount and thus to embrace Israel’s heritage, history and identity. Motivating the so-called ‘restraint’ [havlaga] of the Labor wing and their academic ideologues [and the ‘religious’ political parties] is a ‘spiritual servility’ that prefers “groveling at the Western Wall plaza,” wrote Dr. Judah Tzoref, a veteran of 1967 and the conquest of the Golan. ‘The Western Wall has been officially hallowed to cover up this national infirmity,’ he explained. ‘It is a second Uganda venture. For a Jewish state without the Temple Mount is equivalent to Zionism without the Land of Israel.’ It is like a body without a heart and a heartless body is, or will soon become a corpse regardless how many times it is shocked…

  3. Reality Test!!

    Name a single country in the whole world with a Muslim Majority or Minority where the Muslims have reconcilled themselves to live harmoneously

    with their non Muslim Neighbors? Name just ONE?

    To make stupid assumptions and risk our existence on obvious fallacies is blind stupidity, self delusional Madness!

    Having been born and educated in a post Holocaust world I was always curious why the Jews went to their end like sheep? Sure I’ve read the

    histories even spoke to many survivors but none had a convincing explanation.

    Today I see our Kapo Traitors like Ayalon and BB, Olmert, Sharon, Rabin, Peres, Begin, Golda, BenGurion, quisling Rabbis and all of the Jewish

    Diaspora leaders and I know why they all went like sheep.

    Jews believed their corrupt and stupid leaders and refused to see and accept the obvious. They lied to themselves and believed their own lies.

    So too today Jews have terrible corrupt and stupid leaders and again refuse to comprehend and accept the obvious truth.

    This will not end well for most of the Jews.

    Self and collective delusion is so much nicer than the reality; until reality hits them on the head at a time and place they are least

    prepared.

    What was Einsteins definition of Madness?

  4. He just wants to destroy Israel.

    Ayn we all know it won’t work. First of all the Palestinians don’t want it to work. They refuse to acknowledge Israel as a sovereign Jewish State.
    Their only interest is in kill Jews and destroying Israel.

    A Palestinian state in Israel isn’t going to happen, it won’t work, lets bag the idea. You can’t screw a square peg in a round hole.

    Obama is just your ordinary impostor presidential fuck up, prior to that he was just an ordinary acorn community organizing fuck up.
    His father was a black Muslim, he was raised a black Muslim, he inspires Islam and pretends to be a Christian.

    He wants to destroy Israel and he has a couple of kapos advising him, Rahm Emanuel and Richard Axelrod (formerly fucked up Jews and now just plain fuck ups).

    I normally don’t like to use such descriptive words however due to the nature of the subject I believe G-d will forgive me.
    I am sure He’s not crazy about these fucking characters either.

  5. • How to guarantee that the future Palestinian state will be demilitarized.

    • How Israel will monitor the eastern border of a future Palestinian state to ensure that weapons are not smuggled in.

    • How to come to an agreement regarding Israel’s right to use the airspace over the future Palestinian state.

    • How to find a mechanism that would enable Israel to pursue terrorists across the border in the event of a terrorist attack.

    • How to ensure Israeli monitoring and surveillance stations will be established in the new state, at least for the first few years.

    This is either an example of brilliant deadpan comedy or a manifestation of final stage senile dementia.

    Given that the Palestinians refuse to honor any agreements, and that the world fully supports unilateral Palestinian abrogation of all commitments, how fucking stupid must someone be to think that any Israeli demands will actually be implemented?

    Obama doesn’t believe it.

    He just wants to destroy Israel.

    What excuse does the Israeli public have?